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Dozens Suspended In Harvard University Cheat Scandal

johnsnails writes "Around 60 students at Harvard University have been suspended and others disciplined in a mass cheating scandal at the elite college, the campus newspaper reports. The Harvard Crimson quoted an email from Faculty of Arts and Sciences dean Michael Smith that said more than half of the cases heard by administrators in the scandal, which erupted last year, had resulted in suspension orders. 'After professor Matthew B. Platt reported suspicious similarities on a handful of take-home exams in his spring course Government 1310: “Introduction to Congress,” the College launched an investigation that eventually expanded to involve almost half of the 279 students enrolled in the course.'"

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  1. My Theory by Javagator · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess all of these students were planning on going into politics.

    1. Re:My Theory by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know this is a joke, but it's more than relevant.

      I am guessing the people getting off in this case are getting off more for lack of evidence rather than exoneration. Plus logic dictates that with this number of people it's not the first time it ever happened.

      What upsets me most personally about the United States is that we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is. We've got a political culture right now where a politician MUST be a huxster or they can't compete. The US Government does suck at every level, but it's an outgrowth of the sickness of the culture itself. Nice guys don't finish last; nice guys don't finish AT ALL.

    2. Re:My Theory by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:My Theory by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What upsets me most personally about the United States is that we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is. We've got a political culture right now where a politician MUST be a huxster or they can't compete.

      What on earth makes you think that's unique to the US?

    4. Re:My Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to worry, very few Harvard graduates go far in politics.

      In fact, considering how highly selective the admission process is and how well connected its graduates are, the number of presidents who are Harvard alum is appallingly low. I have no explanation as to why.

    5. Re:My Theory by Sechr+Nibw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      GP never said it was unique to the US, sounded to me like it was just implied that was all the poster had experience with, rather than painting the entire world of politics with the same brush. Sounds rather sensible for someone named MickyTheIdiot!

    6. Re:My Theory by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is.

      I'd argue that it's not so much about right versus wrong, it's more about the end result trumping the method of getting there. A "win" is considered vindication of the means. If the means are "right" then that's great, but if the means are "wrong", it's too often considered OK to look the other way. The more rewarding the win, the more likely people are to overlook the wrong, especially if those who *should* be doing the looking stand to benefit from the win in the first place. Look at Lance Armstrong. Do you think *nobody* in his inner circle knew he was doping? Sure they did. But they also knew fame and fortune would come from Armstrong's wins, and they could bask in that to considerable benefit. Thus they became complicit.

      In a perfect world, there would be ample benefits and public glorification of the person who came forward to expose cheating. Instead, they typically have everything to lose and very, very little to gain by doing so. Hence the culture of cheating prospers in sports, business, academia...pretty much anywhere the stakes are high enough.

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    7. Re:My Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      +1 your comment.

      It's nothing new and certainly ingrained. In high school back in the 80's, pretty much everyone in my courses cheated (NMB Senior, Class of 88). I never once cheated, ever, and it was galling to watch them walk away week after week with A's and 100's even though I and many others knew that it was unearned. Even simple things -- an art class self portrait (the cheaters asked the more artistic folks to draw for them), a take home physics exam (Mr. Sturgelewski's class) was copied from person to person, a children's book in English class (someone even copied Curious George and handed it in) -- was not immune. These are the cheats and liars that are in business and law now.

    8. Re:My Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My guess is that their families weren't rich enough to hire attorneys.

    9. Re:My Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      One of the problems with Capitalism is it can force Managers to compete with each other to screw everyone; their employee's, customers and ultimately the environment; the best. The classic method of constraining it has always been to involve government. For example; The Red Triangle fire resulted in 120 Americans dieing on the 8th floor of a high-rise factory floor from a fire that started on the 10th; the bosses surmised they only needed a few buckets of water in the corner, locked their workers in, and weren't around to let them out when the fire started. The result of this was a "general strike" and hundreds of laborers unionizing overnight as everyone came to the realization they were putting up with something they aught not to put up with.

      The lesson here is, if management and labor don't work together, neither of them will be employed for long. The pride of management blinds them to the obvious dangers they place labor, and ultimately themselves, at, and labor if they follow management down the rabbit hole will lead inevitably and invariably to injury.

      I work at a company run by lawyers, they're always fighting over the slightest nuance of communication instead of looking at what's really going on; a infrastructure built with products promised to last decades but because foreigners cut corners as there was no real repricussion for doing so, thus it is in decay. An entire generation retiring oblivious to the peril management has placed their pensions in. Men Dieing or getting injured in the field from too many hours of overtime worked. Managers putting in 16hr shifts because their managers need to feel like the lower managers are "with them". Accountants oblivious to all of the above.

    10. Re:My Theory by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      I know this is a joke, but it's more than relevant.

      I am guessing the people getting off in this case are getting off more for lack of evidence rather than exoneration. Plus logic dictates that with this number of people it's not the first time it ever happened.

      What upsets me most personally about the United States is that we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is. We've got a political culture right now where a politician MUST be a huxster or they can't compete. The US Government does suck at every level, but it's an outgrowth of the sickness of the culture itself. Nice guys don't finish last; nice guys don't finish AT ALL.

      The heartening result is that Harvard takes cheating seriously. They suspended about 60 students over it and a bunch of others are on probation -- probably because they couldn't prove those students cheated.

    11. Re:My Theory by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      I think it's a little more subtle than that. It's not that we reward wrong behavior. We simply don't really punish people in these kinds of situations enough to deter doing wrong. And, that punishment scale is based on how much money or influence your parents might have.

      Here in Kansas, we had a group of high school kids get busted a few years ago buying essays. The teacher flunked them all, but the parents went to the school board and pressured them into giving the kids passing grades. You can be assured it wasn't an inner city school. We've become a nation of cynics.

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    12. Re:My Theory by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should have some reward for people who rat on cheaters. All the students seem to know who the cheaters are, but nobody wants to be a rat.

    13. Re:My Theory by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      What on earth makes you think that's unique to the US?

      People tend to think that everything like this is unique to it. Well once people get out into the real world and see what happens, they quickly realize that cheating happens everywhere. Or that a politician must be a huckster to compete, I'm guessing they've never seen european politics or canadian, or hell japanese. From my own neck of the woods, take a look at Dalton McGuinty probably one of the biggest liars, cheats and scum suckers since Bob Rae. And one that's successfully ensured that Ontario will be paying through the nose for electricity. Despite claiming that hydro prices will go down.

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    14. Re:My Theory by khallow · · Score: 1

      My theory is that this is mostly a consequence of urbanization. One can have hucksters, con men, etc in rural environments and there are plenty of them out there, but the victims are far more concentrated and to an extent wealthier in urban areas. And once you get enough of such people in one place and they become influential enough, then society itself starts to glorify them.

    15. Re:My Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What upsets me most personally about the United States is that we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is. We've got a political culture right now where a politician MUST be a huxster or they can't compete.

      What on earth makes you think that's unique to the US?

      Great example of the level of discourse in the USA today. Let me point out the pattern:

      Thinking person: In the USA this problem is evident to me.

      Knee-jerk apologist: You said the rest of the world is better than the USA! You are a bad person and not a patriot! We can ignore your point and concentrate on how evil the rest of the world is because they all have this problem at least as bad!

      Thinking person: Wait, what? I never mentioned any other country because I live in the USA and am not prepared to comment on other cultures I only know from hearsay!

      KJ apologist: Fuck you traitor! Go live in Sweden/Iraq/Russia/Somalia since you like Socialism/Arabs/Commies/pickaninnies so much!

      Thinking person: .......

    16. Re:My Theory by runningduck · · Score: 1

      What upsets me is that in many top program there is a forced curve. There is nothing worse than studying your ass off and being pushed down a letter grade due to a crop of cheaters. It seems that some grades should be restated for previously classes these cheaters completed.

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    17. Re:My Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If Harvard took cheating seriously, it would fail and expel these students from the program and not let them back in. It is (or was) exceptionally easy to get decent grades at Harvard. Last time I checked, very nearly 90% of its students graduated cum laude or better.

      Academic dishonesty at Harvard is not a new thing, either. Ted Kennedy was caught, red-handed, cheating at Harvard when a hired person took an exam for him. Kennedy eventually got his degree anyway and went on to be a career U.S. Senator.

      What Harvard and many of the Ivy Leagues are is an institution for developing the next generation of elite, white-collar criminals. The 2008 financial crisis was caused entirely by rampant fraud perpetrated by the private institutions that overwhemingly are run by and hire Ivy League alumni.

    18. Re:My Theory by icebike · · Score: 2

      Maybe we should have some reward for people who rat on cheaters. All the students seem to know who the cheaters are, but nobody wants to be a rat.

      Considering the number of students involved in cheating, it would be like ratting out your local thug gang.
      Someone is bound to take revenge.

      This whole tendency to suffer any injustice and never speak up will probably be the downfall of civilization.

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    19. Re:My Theory by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      I'd not be so sure. When I was on college, I certainly saw students cheating or having enormous opportunity to cheat because of poor care of exam notes and problem set answers by the teaching assistants. On several occasions, I saw the notes lying around and deliberately did my work an entirely different way, or with additional work deliberately added to demonstrate my actual knowledge of the subject rather than simply copying those answers, and notified the professor that the answers had been left lying out where students could see them.

      This does not mean I was a "nice guy finishing last". It was seeing someone cheating and beating them _anyway_, in ways that meant if the cheaters won, I could take it to the deans and make a huge affair out of it.

    20. Re:My Theory by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      That's where they went wrong ... if they already had political pull they would have been part of the group who were caught but didn't get suspensions.

    21. Re:My Theory by VAElynx · · Score: 2

      Indeed.
      Take Silvana Koch-Mehrin , the german EU politician who had plagiarised her graduating thesis (having before waved on about how she manages being a mother, an active politician and an academician at the same time, well, amusing how that turned out to be) , and was kicked out of function for it.... only to be appointed on the EU commission for research and industry.

    22. Re:My Theory by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Why did Romney lose? People don't like the privileged much any more (Bush got a pass because he could play such an endearing moron).

      It's much better to groom someone who came from relatively humble backgrounds ... they will be hungrier for money and less likely to suddenly go FDR/JFK on you as well.

    23. Re:My Theory by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      If Harvard took such things seriously, the students would be out of the University and barred from readmission, and a mark on their transcript indicating such.

    24. Re:My Theory by JustOK · · Score: 1

      You think it's only relevant to your planet? Or to people with knees?

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    25. Re:My Theory by buybuydandavis · · Score: 1

      Platt reported suspicious similarities on a handful of take-home exams in his spring course Government 1310: “Introduction to Congress,”

      They shouldn't worry. When they cheat in Congress, the press won't report it even if they are incompetent enough to get caught. Rules aren't for rulers.

    26. Re:My Theory by Sique · · Score: 2

      And what makes you think, that this culture has developed in the U.S.?
      In fact, it's never been different. The notion that morally flawed deeds get rewarded while good behaviour doesn't is so old, that many religions incorporated concepts about a later reward for the good ones and a later punishment for the evil in their systems of faith, because reality seems not fair enough to us. And through the times you find cultural pessimists who complain and whine how bad it has become. It's one of the recurring themes of the world (others being the children being worse and worse educated and only interested in partying and being lazy and the death of real art and their replacement by cheap, uncreative and superficial knockoffs).
      Thus let me assure you: We invented better and better methods to minimize those problems. We call them laws, investigations, public scrutinity, accountability and responsibility. They are not perfect, they are as flawed as we as humans are. But we are improving.

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    27. Re:My Theory by McGruber · · Score: 1

      +1 your comment.

      It's nothing new and certainly ingrained. In high school back in the 80's, pretty much everyone in my courses cheated (NMB Senior, Class of 88). I never once cheated, ever, and it was galling to watch them walk away week after week with A's and 100's even though I and many others knew that it was unearned.

      +1 to you as well. I graduated high school in '89 and college in '93 -- I saw lots of cheating at both institutions.

    28. Re:My Theory by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      From what I understand most of the EU comission is full of people like that.

    29. Re:My Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > What upsets me most personally about the United States is that we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is.

      During my last year of high school, I worked for one of the well-known U.S. burger chains. The adult manager wasn't there that day; one of his younger subordinate managers was running the show. She ordered pizza using cash from the register and later, at the end of the night, an employee loaded up his book bag with various desserts from the refrigerator.

      I reported it the next day. Either the manager let my name leak or they quickly figured out it was me - I don't remember. Point is, they knew I ratted them out for stealing. An employee who wasn't even involved didn't like the fact that I ratted out his friends, and brought some of his hooligan buddies to wait for me in the parking lot. Several times I had to be escorted to my car under police protection.

      It didn't take long for me to determine that it wasn't worth it, and I quit. On the day I returned to turn in my uniforms, who did I see behind the counter, now working my job at my station? The kid who stole the food.

    30. Re:My Theory by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I really don't know how much of Bush's was "playing" friend, ever watch a collection of "Bushisms"? One can't just butcher the living hell out of basic speech THAT badly and fake it easily. I have a feeling its more like TFA, Bush was a rich kid that majored in keg tapping and hiring other people to do the work and hey! He got to be POTUS so that's cool, right?

      Lets face it, there really is no difference between the current system and the feudal system of old, only difference is you are given your title by big corp instead of the state. The rich didn't really have to work to get the cushy life back then, they don't have to really work to get the cushy life now, the Harvards and Yales might as well be handing out titles of count and baron since its insider track means anybody that graduates there will be among the top 5% of the country as far as lifestyle. Notice they didn't throw anybody out? Can't piss off the elite ya know.

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    31. Re:My Theory by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but let's not forget that Obama is a Harvard (Law) Graduate too.

    32. Re:My Theory by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      Look at Lance Armstrong. Do you think *nobody* in his inner circle knew he was doping? Sure they did. But they also knew fame and fortune would come from Armstrong's wins, and they could bask in that to considerable benefit.

      They were also harassed, threatened, and sued every time they did accuse him of doping. There have been a lot of people who knew, who accused him of it over the last 10 years.

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    33. Re:My Theory by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The heartening result is that Harvard takes cheating seriously. They suspended about 60 students over it and a bunch of others are on probation -- probably because they couldn't prove those students cheated.

      You call that 'serious'?

      Harvard admits somewhere in the range of 5-6 percent of those who apply. Even if we assume that the bottom 75% or so of the applicant pool are just deluded optimists, Harvard could replace its entire class two or three times over with people who would love to have been admitted. If they were remotely serious, they could have banhammered everyone involved in cheating and called it a day. Instead they are being 'temporarily asked to leave'. That's crazy lenient given how trivial it would be to replace them, and how meaningful a degree from Harvard is supposed to be.

    34. Re:My Theory by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You've pointed out nothing that doesn't reinforce the example.

    35. Re:My Theory by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2

      It's cute that you want to make this a liberal-only issue. Clearly, god-fearing conservatives never have a faulty moral compass. I just get confused when I read stories about clergy exposed for molesting children and their churches spending all their effort on covering it up rather than fixing the problem. I get more confused when I read about gerrymandering, affairs, and kickbacks related to Republicans.

      Let me help you: cheating and lying are endemic to our culture as a whole. It is not limited to particular groups as you would like to believe.

      This shouldn't come as any surprise. It's simple evolution: the bad guy who doesn't get caught, wins. The bad guy who does get caught but only gets a slap on the wrist wins. If the risk versus reward equation comes out so that the unethical course of action is always a winning proposition, we shouldn't act surprised when people act unethically. The truly unfortunate thing is that those in a position to change the balance of that equation are the same cheats and liars who benefit most from sitting on their hands.

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    36. Re:My Theory by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Thinking people don't set up strawman arguments where they get to make the other side look like idiots.

      Awkward...

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    37. Re:My Theory by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      I thinking he didn't get his ObamaPhone. Jealous.

    38. Re:My Theory by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Nah, that doesn't fly. When West Point had its cheating scandal, that was proof positive that the entire military structure was corrupt from top to bottom, baby murderers, etc. They got zero credit for totally expelling the offenders. Likewise, this scandal is also proof positive that Harvard is corrupt from top to bottom, and Harvard hasn't even taken the firmest action against the offenders.

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    39. Re:My Theory by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      ROFLMAO! Let me show up and surveil the place for a semester. We'll see how serious they take cheating.

    40. Re:My Theory by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Consider a take home exam, is it cheating if you try to google your answers. Type in a similar search query and all the students will end up with similar answers. Still the mind boggles at would could be considered cheating in a take home exam. Here is a list of questions, take them home and look for answers. How is it cheating if you find them all in the one place? A take home exam is really an exercise in pointlessness.

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    41. Re:My Theory by LordLucless · · Score: 2

      One of the problems with Capitalism is it can force Managers to compete with each other to screw everyone; their employee's, customers and ultimately the environment; the best. The classic method of constraining it has always been to involve government.

      The result of this was a "general strike" and hundreds of laborers unionizing overnight as everyone came to the realization they were putting up with something they aught not to put up with.

      This isn't an example of government intervention; this is an example of capitalism working. Unionisation isn't anti-capitalistic; governmental backing of unionisation (making use of strikebreakers illegal, etc) may be anti-capitalist, but no more than governmental backing of companies (LLCs, laws promulgated via lobbyists, etc).

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    42. Re:My Theory by happyhamster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      offtopic shameless repuglican TROLL.

    43. Re:My Theory by joelville · · Score: 1

      What upsets me most personally about the United States is that we've developed a culture where doing the right thing is NEVER rewarded and doing the WRONG thing usually is. We've got a political culture right now where a politician MUST be a huxster or they can't compete.

      What on earth makes you think that's unique to the US?

      What on earth makes you think that's unique to today? It's always been this way, you are now finding out about it.

    44. Re:My Theory by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Government could have intervened with things like fire safety codes, and those people at the mill would still be alive. You know whats really sick - people jumped out of the windows and got impaled on the iron fence below.

    45. Re:My Theory by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      You think it's only relevant to your planet? Or to people with knees?

      I blame the Draenei.

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    46. Re:My Theory by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      ROFLMAO! Let me show up and surveil the place for a semester. We'll see how serious they take cheating.

      I don't think they'd let you do that, unless you could prove you had a relevant degree from an institution they recognise, such as (oh, just pick one) Harvard.

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    47. Re:My Theory by nobodie · · Score: 1

      This is not true of all the universities in the US: check out my alma mater, UVA. Still has a single sanction (expulsion) student run honor system. You cheat in any way at any time and you are out, period. It works.

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    48. Re:My Theory by grantspassalan · · Score: 1

      While there may be some conservatives that subscribe to the idea of relativism in morals, I would be hard-pressed to name a liberal university or college that does NOT subscribe to the idea that there are no absolutes in morals. It is liberal groups like the ACLU that litigate against displaying absolute moral codes such as the 10 Commandments. I have never heard of a conservative group agitate against moral absolutes like that.

      That said, you are right, our culture as a whole has lost its moral compass. The 10 Commandments have now become 10 suggestions. It is now unfortunately true, that the majority of the people don't care anymore, at least to the point of doing something about it, to call our leaders in government and in other institutions to task for lying and cheating. If university presidents and politicians were thrown out of their jobs, when lying and cheating and when other unethical activities take place which they could've stopped, then whose fault is that?

      The theory of evolution has no place for moral absolutes. It is strictly the survival of the fittest. You are indeed right, those that can lie and cheat and do other wrong things and get away with it do win and survive. Fortunately there still is justice in the universe. Everybody will one day stand before the Creator God of the universe and give an accounting of how they have lived here on earth.

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  2. Does anyone not cheat anymore? by SternisheFan · · Score: 2

    Sports figures, politicians, business leaders, Ivy college students... all cheat to get what they want. At least Beyonce wouldn't lie to us. Oh, wait...

  3. Now thats FUNNY by flyneye · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ha-vahd students too lazy and ignorant to get a clue about Congress. What will they do when Daddy buys them a seat? (besides feel up the interns?)

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    1. Re:Now thats FUNNY by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      With respect, I don't think has to do with east coast liberal elites. I think this has to do with culture and elitism in general.

      Look at our leadership in congress for instance in both houses. I doesn't take much effort to figure out the meritocracy isn't in play.

    2. Re:Now thats FUNNY by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Damn, we had to learn the functions of Congress back in grade school and Middle school. By high school I had two classmates intern.
      Makes me question the quality of school today. The quality of Congress hasn't been a question in my lifetime.

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    3. Re:Now thats FUNNY by melikamp · · Score: 1

      If you cheat and fail you’re a cheater. If you cheat and succeed, you’re savvy. ~Eric Cartmanez, The White Person Method

    4. Re:Now thats FUNNY by Enry · · Score: 2

      I work for Harvard (but not FAS, another school), but getting into FAS is no longer strictly about having money or connections. A large portion of the students that go there get some sort of financial aid, and a family making less than $120k gets a massive amount of financial aid if they are accepted.

      FAS Financial Aid Office

    5. Re:Now thats FUNNY by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Damn, we had to learn the functions of Congress back in grade school and Middle school. By high school I had two classmates intern. Makes me question the quality of school today. The quality of Congress hasn't been a question in my lifetime.

      It could be the college course is a little more detailed.

    6. Re:Now thats FUNNY by sandytaru · · Score: 1

      Somehow, though, I don't think the scholarship students are the cheaters. The valedictorian at my high school was accepted for a free ride to Harvard (her father was an Army sergeant, not exactly rolling in the dough there.) She was smart as a whip, scored perfect on the SAT, played the violin at nearly professional level, and was somehow pretty humble and a nice person despite all that. I cannot imagine her being involved in a cheating scandal - she wouldn't need to cheat. Hell, for someone like her, cheating is probably more effort than actually studying.

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    7. Re:Now thats FUNNY by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Inconceivable! Surely their math classes go into no more details on "numbers" than the ones I took in 5th grade!

    8. Re:Now thats FUNNY by flyneye · · Score: 1

      I see,. a course in the finer points , like money laundering and where to get hookers that won't "tell all".

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    9. Re:Now thats FUNNY by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      Clearly. Most of the hookers the Congressmen get never tell anything.

    10. Re:Now thats FUNNY by flyneye · · Score: 1

      I think they have them "chipped" like a dog, just in case...

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  4. Ummm. by Skiron · · Score: 2

    1+1=2 they all had. Obviously cheats.

  5. First reaction was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No wonder.. take home exams... open book exams.. what do you expect from the low level colleges... Then it actually hit me that this is Harvard.edu we are talking about.

    I guess I was just lucky to finish eng and comp sci from a place where they filtered us from 450 in first year to 5 with diplomas in fourth, without ANY of this open-book-exam nonsense.

    Then again, I'm unemployed at the time and work is tough to find... if I only went for a bigger name university... had the grades, didn't have the money... ah the ways of the world :)

    1. Re:First reaction was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No wonder.. take home exams... open book exams.. what do you expect from the low level colleges... Then it actually hit me that this is Harvard.edu we are talking about.

      I guess I was just lucky to finish eng and comp sci from a place where they filtered us from 450 in first year to 5 with diplomas in fourth, without ANY of this open-book-exam nonsense.

      Then again, I'm unemployed at the time and work is tough to find... if I only went for a bigger name university... had the grades, didn't have the money... ah the ways of the world :)

      If you got accepted to Harvard you would've had a free ride if you're poor. Poor people don't pay tuition there.

      I didn't go there either but I'm not bitter about it or making up excuses for why my life sucks.

      Did you even apply? Did you actually get accepted? Odds are: zero.

    2. Re:First reaction was... by Cinder6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The funny thing (sad thing?) is how lenient the punishments were. Suspension? At my school, a lowly community college, cheating usually results in expulsion, with a 0 in the course being the minimum consequence.

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    3. Re:First reaction was... by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      well sure your community college does not have an outraged parent who just cut a $45k check to answer to; there is little in the way of them having standards.

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    4. Re:First reaction was... by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Truly poor people pay no tuition, true. I'm not sure what the room and board policy is (fairly safe bet it's not cheap) nor about books, etc., but even if they are covered there are substantial costs associated with college that do not have to do with the college itself, such as transportation to and from (e.g., dorms aren't open over holidays). Most students in that situation are better off taking a proper full ride from a slightly lesser school, since it will not be taken out from under them if they or their parents make some extra money one year (unlike need-based aid, which will be affected by expected family and student contribution).

      Yes, I was admitted, no, I didn't go, and that is why. I needed security, something my parents were ill equipped to provide. Why do you think high expectations Asian father macros (just making a point, I'm not from an Asian or immigrant family) all talk about med school or engineering? Reliable professional jobs are a great place for middle class kids with brains; they can send their own kids to the big name schools. Was it the right choice? I aimed too low for my lesser school and although I made about $5000 a year from excess scholarship money and graduated without debt I probably could have gotten the same offer from a better place, so it is hard to tell - but then I make mid six figures in an area with a very low cost of living, so it's not like I ended up in the gutter.

    5. Re:First reaction was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You realise that open-book exams give a lecturer a much better insight of what students have actually learned, rather than what they remember from cramming the night before? Open-book exams test insights. If you can recite of the books and other literature for a course, but you never actually did anything, you're highly likely to fail it. Fact memorisation exams don't show that you learned something: rather, they show you memorised things: most students tend to forget those things before the next semester is over. And then you have to teach it to them all over again when they need it.

    6. Re:First reaction was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The parents SHOULD be outraged, at their kids for wasting their money. Unfortunately, even a suspension won't be enough for these kids to have trouble finding high-paying jobs after graduation. For people at the top there are no consequences.

    7. Re:First reaction was... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Some years ago if you got bad grades your parents would get mad at you for being lazy, etc.

      Nowadays all I see are parents getting mad at the teachers. The first thing they dream up is that the teacher is doing something wrong and their poor kids are suffering from it. Then they all get together (the parents) and synchronize their stories, call the school director and request a meeting. If enough kids got really bad grades the teacher risks being fired.

    8. Re:First reaction was... by Cederic · · Score: 2

      In the UK we call them 'papers' and 'essays'. Write 1250 words describing X.

      Exams on the other hand are exams. They don't ask you to repeat facts, they require you to demonstrate understanding of the underlying concepts, approaches and context. No memorisation needed, just a clear understanding of the subject.

    9. Re:First reaction was... by quarterbuck · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe some of the students were indeed expelled.
      The case is more complicated than simply copying.
      1) This class used to be easy, but this year it was very hard
      2) A lot of athletes etc. got in the class so that they could pass. When it was tough they panicked
      3) They went to teaching assistants with questions about "interpreting" the exam. The TA's helped them freely. This was considered cheating in exams and resulted in suspensions.
      4) Some cheated outright. Many resulted in expulsions with grades for the year getting set to zero and tuition for the year being refunded.
      5) A few students copied class notes, but did not copy in the exam. This was looked at on a case by case basis and resulted in punishments (some expelled, some not)

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    10. Re:First reaction was... by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      It occurred to me after writing this that a community college also has extra incentive to take a hard stance against cheating. If the college is known for allowing students get away with cheating, it might hurt prospective transfers to 4-year colleges.

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    11. Re:First reaction was... by tibit · · Score: 1

      WTF is wrong with copying class notes?! It was a normal part of growing up: you missed class, you had to copy class notes, at least for material that was not sufficiently covered in the textbook. I did it in the elementary school, as early as 2nd grade, for crying out loud. I do not mean copying the notes into the exam, of course.

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    12. Re:First reaction was... by sandytaru · · Score: 2

      There's a study compiled each year that ranks schools based on value, the ratio of tuition paid versus the amount a graduate can expect to earn. Usually it's the Big State Us that give that value, since they have the Research I cred but also receive some state funding to keep tuition costs down. The Harvard brand name on a degree can tack on an extra $10,000/year for the starting salary, but if someone had to fork out over a hundred thousand dollars in student loans, it'll be ten years before they recoup that cost, and by then the earnings will have evened out with graduates from other colleges.

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    13. Re:First reaction was... by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

      NY Times reported that some students were asked to produce class notes 6 months after the incident. If they had them, they were let off, else it becomes unprovable...(or that's what I got from the newspaper)

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    14. Re:First reaction was... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Glad to hear things have improved. It was quite hairy twenty years ago. "Giving a bit" back then was approx 40% of your (the student's) assets as expected contribution per year.

    15. Re:First reaction was... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      What's funny is that not going to an Ivy was for me the sort of experience Maugham wrote about in The Verger, which has always been one of my favorite short stories. If I'd gone there, I'd almost certainly make quite a lot less money than I do now.

  6. Hmm by koan · · Score: 2

    Anyone else looked at the syllabus for some of these classes? I was looking at one online and I thought it looked more like it belonged in a community college.
    I was surprised at the poor quality of classes I found, maybe actually being there in the class with the other 150 students makes a difference.

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    1. Re:Hmm by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      There's this weird worship for big American universities. In some cases they have excellent research and graduate programs but undergrad is undergrad. Except where you're paying big bucks and being a "legacy" makes some kind of difference. In that case there's a profit motive to make things easy enough for everybody to do well.

  7. Cheating in Congress by HybridST · · Score: 5, Funny

    The course is Government 1310: "Introduction to Congress" so I'd think cheating was required.

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    1. Re:Cheating in Congress by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      The course is Government 1310: "Introduction to Congress" so I'd think cheating was required.

      It is. It's also required in Congress that you don't get caught or if you do, you pay off the right people. Obviously, these students have some maturing to do before they are ready to graduate.

  8. Fight Fiercely, Harvard! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Fight fiercely, Harvard, Fight, fight, fight!
    Demonstrate to them our skill.
    Albeit they possess the might,
    Nonetheless we have the will.
    How we shall celebrate our victory,
    We shall invite the whole team up for tea (how jolly!)
    Hurl that spheroid down the field, and Fight, fight, fight!

    Fight fiercely, Harvard,
    Fight, fight, fight!
    Impress them with our prowess, do!
    Oh, fellows, do not let the crimson down,
    Be of stout heart and thru.
    Come on, chaps, fight for Harvard's glorious name,
    Won't it be peachy if we win the game? (oh, goody!)
    Let's try not to injure them, but Fight, fight, fight!
    And do fight fiercely! Fight, fight, fight!

    (by Tom Lehrer)

  9. Vice Presidential material! by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 2

    For sure!

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  10. Not Surprising by RearNakedChoke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The new generation of kids cheat as if that's how things get done.

    I was talking to a 15 year old kid, how his grades suffered because he decided he wasn't going to cheat anymore. He admitted he previously cheated freely and openly, without shame. Why? EVERYONE cheated, so there was no shame in it. But he realized that cheating was shortsighted and sooner or later, he would have to actually learn stuff. So he resolved to stop cheating, but at the cost of his previous good grades.

    HE is an encouraging example. But the rest of his classmates aren't. Cheating is the norm and our future is screwed.

    1. Re:Not Surprising by tibit · · Score: 1

      I'm also amazed at how differently one can define cheating, depending on where you went to school. In most of former Eastern Europe, for example, cheating in exams meant that you had small pieces of paper with painstakingly "minimized" equations, facts, etc. These things were memory aids, and should not have been forbidden in the first place because unless you knew how to apply them, you wouldn't pass anyway. Verbatim copying of papers made little sense unless the teacher was very unobservant. Some things, such as lab reports, could be used as a guide, but it was usually very obvious if it was a copy. People who understood their stuff each had their own insights in their reports, copies all had same insights (or none at all).

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    2. Re:Not Surprising by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why you think this is unique to the new generation of kids.

  11. Being Caught is Unforgivable by Baldrson · · Score: 2
    Harvard, Yale, etc. are the source of our leaders -- our elites -- and as we all know the first rule of an elite is to never get caught screwing the little guy.

    Clearly these esteemed institutions have failed in their mission.

    1. Re:Being Caught is Unforgivable by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Harvard, Yale, etc. are the source of our leaders -- our elites

      And what has it gotten us? The worst financial crisis since the Great Depression and a president who doesn't know his asshole from his elbow when it comes to economics. You'd be hard pressed to find less common sense or street smarts anywhere else than in the average Harvard class.

    2. Re:Being Caught is Unforgivable by EngnrFrmrlyKnownAsAC · · Score: 1

      never get caught

      That is the operative phrase. Hard to say if it's the rate of cheating or rate of detection that has changed vs 10, 20, 30 years ago.

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  12. Introduction to Congress by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    Seems to me that cheating would be a requirement to pass that course.

  13. Details would be nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One has to be careful with these sorts of stories. A few years back at my University, newspapers went wild when an entire engineering ethics class was given an F for cheating. The reality of it? The professor gave no instructions on how to properly cite things, gave an assignment, and 'taught everyone a lesson' by failing them all for plagiarism when they didn't follow the exact standards of reference citing. These were engineers- imagine how little they know or care about perfection in reference citing. Nobody was intending to cheat the system, except for a professor who wanted to make some kind of point, by ruining the GPAs of a hundred students.

    In this situation, I see certain similarities- one professor, one paper, and few details.

    1. Re:Details would be nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here are some details, from the various Harvard Crimson articles on the topic.

      The cheating occurred on a take-home exam. The instructions for the exam stated that it was open notes, open book, and open Internet, but that talking to other people about the exam was forbidden.

      The exam was a different format from previous years' final exams. Previously, the only questions on the exams had been essay questions. This year, short-answer questions were added to the exam. Many students thought the short-answer questions were more difficult than the essay questions. In fact, in previous years, the course had been widely regarded as easy, in part because of the easy exams, but students in the year in question did not find it to be easy. Many students also thought the short-answer questions were confusing. During the period in which the exam was assigned, the professor sent out at least one email providing clarification on the short-answer questions due to mass confusion.

      After the exams were collected, it was noted that many students turned in very similar answers on the short-answer questions. This suggested that they had collaborated, in violation of the exam instructions.

    2. Re:Details would be nice... by sandytaru · · Score: 2

      What is entirely possible is that they all found the same paragraph in the text book that seemed to answer the question, and paraphrased it in the same way.

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    3. Re:Details would be nice... by SourceFrog · · Score: 1

      Let me guess, that's your story and you're sticking to it?

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    4. Re:Details would be nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Intro to Congress class is said to be a really, really good class, and my friends who have taken it have nothing but nice things to say about it. The unfortunate aspect of all this is that as a result, Professor Platt's class has now been canceled for the upcoming semesters, at least in the near future.

    5. Re:Details would be nice... by Palinchron · · Score: 2

      The professor gave no instructions on how to properly cite things, gave an assignment, and 'taught everyone a lesson' by failing them all for plagiarism when they didn't follow the exact standards of reference citing.

      How does that work, exactly? Not following the citation standards is not plagiarism. As long as a person denotes in any way whatsoever that a given thought / phrasing is not his own, it is not plagiarism, no matter how wrong the form or how limited the information in this declaration. It doesn't matter if the title of the original book, or the publisher, or hell even the author's name is missing -- as long as one writes "this is not mine" it is not plagiarism. It may not meet the requirements set by the course and therefore warrant a failing grade, but academic honesty violations are out of the question.

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    6. Re:Details would be nice... by EuclideanSilence · · Score: 1

      You also have to wonder what they were supposed to cite. Engineering isn't literature. In engineering, things are true just because they are true, not because someone said so. You don't constantly cite Fourier when doing DSP work.

  14. Take-home exams? by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    on a handful of take-home exams

    There's your problem right there.

    I wonder why oral exams aren't more common in the United States. When I came to do graduate studies in Europe, they really forced me to shape up and learn my stuff. Not only do they make cheating impossible, but when you are judged on how fast you provide the answer, you also internalize it better.

    Sure, written exams are the norm for science fields where one must note down specialist notation like mathematics or chemistry, but in the humanities -- and the "political science" of this article -- they seem an excellent way of judging student progress.

    1. Re:Take-home exams? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Graduate studies in North America make use of oral exams as well.

      Nobody wants to listen to a thousand undergrads stumble over the same questions.

    2. Re:Take-home exams? by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      I wonder why oral exams aren't more common in the United States. When I came to do graduate studies in Europe, they really forced me to shape up and learn my stuff. Not only do they make cheating impossible, but when you are judged on how fast you provide the answer, you also internalize it better.

      Because giving hundreds of students oral exams would require effort on the part of the faculty and they believe that they have better things to do.

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    3. Re:Take-home exams? by Improv · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to say this is Harvard's "fault"? Surely I'm misunderstanding somehow.

      To me, this is just a happy filtering out of some students who needed a lesson in humility and ethics. No fault to Harvard or the professor.

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    4. Re:Take-home exams? by Milharis · · Score: 1

      Here in France in the Classes Préparatoires, students have written and oral exams. And it's not only in humanities, but in science as well.
      Basically, you've got 20 minutes to prepare 3 exercises on paper, and 20 minutes to present them. And unless you're really good, you don't have the time to prepare everything before going to the black board, so you have improvise.
      It works quite well, people are rarely contesting the grades, and there's no way a student can cheat.

    5. Re:Take-home exams? by tibit · · Score: 1

      If you think you know something and can't give reasonable "exam grade" presentation about it without much preparation, you don't really know it. That's my humble opinion. Once I consider to know something, I probably don't have the best ways researched to teach it, but presenting it well enough off the bat to convince a professor that I know it -- meh. Of course some people can't present anything so that's an obstacle on its own, whether they know the subject cold or not.

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    6. Re:Take-home exams? by tibit · · Score: 1

      HD video recording and editing equipment is cheap these days. You can go to a large grocery store and buy everything you need -- a photo camera and some editing software, memory cards, perhaps an external hard drive or two. It's a trivially solved problem to record exams from even multiple angles. 20 years ago things were different, of course. These days, there's no excuse.

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    7. Re:Take-home exams? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Because oral exams are as much work for the teachers as the students?

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    8. Re:Take-home exams? by OutputLogic · · Score: 1

      I studied in both Eastern Europe and US. I absolutely hated oral exams back there. One can frequently talk himself/herself out of difficult questions, even in science classes like Physics or Math. When you take a written exam, it's totally unbiased and relatively anonymous. When you talk to an examiner, a lot of things can come into play in addition to student's knowledge and influence the results.

  15. On a take-home exam? by edibobb · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Cheating on a take-home exam is just plain lazy!

    1. Re:On a take-home exam? by dunezone · · Score: 1

      Even though the students should not be cheating its stupid for the professor to not expect this when handing out a take home exam. I remember in 7th grade my teacher giving us all a take home. She also sent home a letter that our parents had to sign saying we didn't use any class room material or the books on the exam. My father was laughing his ass off when he was signing that document.

    2. Re:On a take-home exam? by tibit · · Score: 1

      Well said!

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    3. Re:On a take-home exam? by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 1

      I agree that is stupid, but that's not usually required of a good take-home exam. I've never had a take-home exam where you're not allowed to use course material or any kind of material you want to really, for some it was even allowed to discuss the questions with other students (but the answer still had to make clear that you understood the question and the answer obviously). Any take-home exam that you can finish by simply copying a few lines from a book is not a take-home exam (or a classroom exam for that matter) worth the name.

    4. Re:On a take-home exam? by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up!

  16. Make some calls Daddy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I see some new, expensive buildings being donated to Harvard in the near future.

  17. When cultural icons like Lance Armstrong .... by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look, how surprising is this really? I'd say about as surprising as the sun rising. Our cultural icons don't just cheat (think performance enhancing drugs) but when they are caught the repercussions are so minor (at least as portrayed by the media) that it makes cheating almost mandatory because everyone does it and when things are competitive or, say, graded on a curve, you're kind of screwed into following suit.

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    1. Re:When cultural icons like Lance Armstrong .... by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Lance Armstrong used artificial stimulants to enhance performance. Armstrong shouldn't be punished for it, he should be rewarded, his face should be put on the 100 USD bill. The entire US economy is based on the same exact principle.

      Here is that point made in a form that an average American can understand.

      These Harward kids are doing exactly the thing that their government and the entire leadership is doing, so why all this fake outrage?

      sig

      There are, believe it or not, good and honorable people in this life, they just don't make headlines like the others.

      The reason you shouldn't cheat in life is this: You need to face that person in your mirror every morning, and like and respect that person. And if you can't respect that person you'd best change up your act.

  18. Re:Completely Predictable by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Few and far between are the people who will play fair, to their own potential detriment, when able to get away with it and competing against others who do not play fair.

    Even fewer are those who will continue to do this after the first few times. After a while you begin to believe that the real rules and the stated ones have little to do with each other, and anyone following the stated rules isn't any more moral or ethical or in any way better; they're just a chump.

  19. What about Difficult Courses? by littlewink · · Score: 1

    If so many cheated on a gut intro to Congress course, it must be rampant for difficult courses.

  20. Cheating 101 by penntimes · · Score: 1

    Harvard forgot to offer the course: Cheating 101 - How to cheat without getting caught

  21. well real IT is open book and not based on crammin by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    well real IT is open book and not based on cramming for tests.

  22. Most Students Don't Cheat by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Actually most students do not cheat. While the number of cheating incidents is sadly on the rise - probably by about a factor of 2-3 since I started as a prof 10 years ago - the vast majority of university students do not cheat. So while it is always bad to hear of cases like this it is worth getting a little perspective: many students work extremely hard for their degrees and we should not devalue that because some idiots insist on cheating.

    1. Re:Most Students Don't Cheat by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      You know what bugs me, in the U.S. there are all these cheating types who apologize AFTER they get caught, then go on talk shows to try to explain themselves away. Lance Armstrong saw the walls closing in from the Dept. of Justice, THEN he 'fesses up, to try to get to keep as much ill-gotten money as possible. CEO's get caught, usually get little or no jail time, and pay back 'some' of the total amount stolen, and can be free to live out their lives afterward in comfort. And our culture is okay with this, thereby condoning it. When there are real real-life penalties for all forms of cheating in life, only then can we truly be as moral as we tell people we are.

    2. Re:Most Students Don't Cheat by tibit · · Score: 1

      No kidding. Cheating on a take-home is like killing puppies or something.

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    3. Re:Most Students Don't Cheat by McGruber · · Score: 1

      You know what bugs me, in the U.S. there are all these cheating types who apologize AFTER they get caught, then go on talk shows to try to explain themselves away. Lance Armstrong saw the walls closing in from the Dept. of Justice, THEN he 'fesses up, to try to get to keep as much ill-gotten money as possible.

      Sports Illustrated magazine pointed out that Armstrong waited until the five-year statute of limitations (on federal perjury charges) ran out before be confessed to Oprah: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130118/lance-armstrong-legal-implications/

    4. Re:Most Students Don't Cheat by ogrizzo · · Score: 2

      When I was a graduate student at Brown in the 90s, we gave it as a fact that students would have been cheating in hw assignments, so that the largest part of the final grade had to come from written examinations. On the other hand, we had to give HW assignments some influence on final grade, otherwise most students would have skipped them. 5% sounded about right.

    5. Re:Most Students Don't Cheat by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      You know what bugs me, in the U.S. there are all these cheating types who apologize AFTER they get caught, then go on talk shows to try to explain themselves away. Lance Armstrong saw the walls closing in from the Dept. of Justice, THEN he 'fesses up, to try to get to keep as much ill-gotten money as possible.

      Sports Illustrated magazine pointed out that Armstrong waited until the five-year statute of limitations (on federal perjury charges) ran out before be confessed to Oprah: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130118/lance-armstrong-legal-implications/

      And he let Oprah interview him for damage control, since a lot of orginizations will be suing him for the money he sued them for when they said he was taking enhancing drugs. He even shed a tear on Oprah, crying for the money he might lose, not for the reason he said, his son's belief in him. He's a pathological liar who got caught in his web of lies, and he's probably convinced himself he can still get out of any future problems by lying. A sad example of greed and lust for fame, and nothing he says should ever be believed. I've known his type in my own life, con artists who think their sh*t doesn't stink,. Eventually people catch on to their game, and honorable people will have nothing to do with them, because once trust is blown, it's usually blown for good.

    6. Re:Most Students Don't Cheat by volmtech · · Score: 1

      How much is a Harvard degree worth? How much would flunking out of Harvard cost you? Of course many cheat!

  23. They Cheated on a Take-Home Exam by pscottdv · · Score: 2

    Who could have seen that coming?

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  24. and with loads of theroy as well that does not rea by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and with loads of theroy as well that does not really help you in a real job. Also lot's of the fluff and filler classes are loaded with BS busy-work.

  25. need hands on based tests and they test unstaindin by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    need hands on based tests and they test understanding of a topic and not just cramming.

  26. Their real error by rknop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Getting caught!

    Our colleges are supposed to train our students to succeed in society. That means, we need to wee out the ones who are going to get caught when they cheat. The truly successful in our society are the ones who cheat without getting caught.

    I feel so cynical today.

    1. Re:Their real error by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      we need to wee out the ones who are going to get caught when they cheat.

      That sounds incredibly painful.

  27. Take the course on line by Animats · · Score: 2

    You can take this course on line. for $1,045 to $2000. At Harvard, I would have expected "Introduction to Congress" to be taught by an former member of Congress, but it's just an ordinary instructor.

    I'm watching the first video. At the beginning, the instructor says that all you need to know to start this course is that "Congress" exists. At 00:02:35, he's talking about the proposal to change the rules to prevent filibusters from stalling Congress (only the Senate, actually). The speaker is interesting, but if you don't already know a lot about American politics and the structure of Congress, you'll be totally lost.

    1. Re:Take the course on line by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 1

      At Harvard, I would have expected "Introduction to Congress" to be taught by an former member of Congress, but it's just an ordinary instructor.

      You talk to a[n] [ex-]Congressman to learn how to be elected. You talk to a lobbyist to see how Congress works. You talk to a citizen to learn how Congress doesn't.

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  28. Grade inflation by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    With rampant grade inflation going on these days, especially at the high end schools (where everyone is above average, remember) these kids didn't have to cheat - just wait for the As to roll in.

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    1. Re:Grade inflation by blanchae · · Score: 1

      I agree whole heartedly. When I went to college and to a post secondary institute, you needed 90%+ to get an A, 80-89% got you a B. Now in the institute, I work at,
      an 80% will get you an A-, then 85% gets you an A and 90%+ gets you an A+. This marking scheme makes it almost impossible to get a poor grade.

  29. Re:No by Cederic · · Score: 2

    Or maybe - just possibly - the Ivy League universities continually turn out entrepreneurs because they teach the same material better.

    Maybe it's because they foster a culture of exploration and innovation.

    Maybe it's because people are surrounded by other self-starters.

    Maybe it's because people wanting to kick something new off have access to wealthy individuals.

    It's definitely there, I suspect it's a combination of several of those things, and I know that if I were seeking a university in the US I'd be applying straight to MIT and fuck the cost.

    But I went to university in the UK, at one of the top five business schools in the world (when I was there - only in the top 20 or so now). I did fuck all on my degree but gained skills I'm still using personally and professionally two decades later.

    A university education is almost nothing to do with the details of the subject matter.

  30. CTTDBRATO by kreyg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can't Tell The Difference Between Reality And The Onion.

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  31. Re:Completely Predictable by tibit · · Score: 1

    And how on Earth do you benefit from cheating in school? Aren't you there to learn or something?

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  32. What were the exam instructions/restrictions? by blanchae · · Score: 1

    What were the instructions to the students taking the exam? What restrictions or instructions?

    I'm a teacher in a post secondary institute and all of my quizzes are take-home 'do it at your own time" within a specificed time frame using whatever resources you can find. It allows me to create exams that test more than just rote memorization and I can ask higher level questions that require an understanding of the problem. If you can't understand the question then you won't even know what to google for. I also expect that there will be collaboration between students. This is real life testing, in the real world (job/career), you are asked to solve problems with whatever resources are available to you: google, library, references, friends, colleagues, etc..

    There is an added bonus, in that if you don't know the answer, you have the opportunity to research and learn about it. In my assessments, you are assessed on your ability to come up with solution and you have the opportunity to learn while you are doing it.

    The final exam is open book, open computer, randomized questions, randomized answers, online with a limit of 3 questions per page in a monitored environment - no friends or colleagues to help you. The exams typically span about 20 pages which makes collaboration very difficult in the limited time frame. The final exam mark is the real indication of your abilities.

    Open book exams are always harder than closed book. I've found that the struggling students will do just as poorly in an open book exam as a closed book exam. They figure that all they have to do is look it up in their notes or text. Unfortunately, it is usually the first time they crack open the text and the first time they realize that they were too busy checking facebook, playing world of warcraft, instagramming, etc. to take good notes.

    On the lab side, you receive 0% for doing the actual lab work. It triggers an online quiz that tests your understanding of the lab and the lab results. The lab quiz is worth 100% of the lab work. I've found that giving marks for the actual lab work artificially raises the student's grade, it becomes a mark for attendance. I feel that it separates the learning (lab work) from the assessment. I also feel that it is not fair to evaluate someone's ability on the first time that they attempt a procedure or lab. Do the lab, do it right then get graded on how well you understand what happened.

  33. Take Home Exam. What could possibly go wrong? by icebike · · Score: 2

    Plus logic dictates that with this number of people it's not the first time it ever happened.

    When you realize that the discovery was made because of:

    similarities on a handful of take-home exams in his spring course Government 1310

    you have to wonder if this professor was clueless, idealistic, or engaged in an "honesty" research project of some kind.

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  34. Re:Oral exams? by rotenberry · · Score: 2

    You wonder why oral exams are not more common?

    There were 279 students enrolled in this class. Assuming a ten minute oral exam for each and two minutes to grade the answers it takes 55.8 hours to examine all the students. This oral exam would take at least two weeks in a 14 week semester, and ten minutes is really too little time to judge the work of an entire semester.

    If anyone other than the professor grades the student, then they cry foul.

    If the exams begin in the fifth week of the 14 week semester, the students examined last cry foul since they must study significantly more material.

    There should be only twenty students in a class? Good luck with that. I suppose you could raise tuition and hire more professors or have the classes taught by lecturers.

    Actually, in the USA most classes are taught by lecturers, and the classes are still huge.

  35. Re:Completely Predictable by icebike · · Score: 1

    And how on Earth do you benefit from cheating in school? Aren't you there to learn or something?

    Collaborative learning (study groups) are ok, and often encouraged, sometimes required. Why: Because they AID learning.

    Since the test was a take-home exam, I could see where the students, in the absence of any instructions to the contrary might thing it was just another co-op assignment. (Not saying there wasn't any warning not to work in groups, just tossing that out there).

    In any university testing environment the test answers are usually stored under lock and key. Even most essay style exams have bullet point lists (again secret) that have to be mentioned in passing in the composition in order to be score-able on anything scale other than a whim. So throwing this exam out there to "take home" seems pretty reckless, if not hopelessly naive on the part of the professor.

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  36. Chinese? by drwho · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many of the suspended students were from China. Having papers ghost-written, paying for smuggled out exam questions and answers, is quite an industry there. Then, they come to the US, and expect to be able to game the system the same way. In some schools, that works. Harvard is a bit more careful, generally, though this take-home exam was a really bad idea.

  37. Re:Completely Predictable by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

    You're there to get a good job too and with the job market as it is you can't really afford being filtered out on GPA.

  38. Isn't cheating one of the labs for that course? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  39. Re:Completely Predictable by CurunirAran · · Score: 1

    Usually, in most cases where co-op studying is allowed, students are told that while discussing ideas is OK, verbatim (or similar enough) answers that are used by multiple members of the group will be considered cheating.

    Moreover, when you take an exam, the questions are meant to be thought about, and the answers to those questions have to come out of your own ideas, or so I'd imagine would be the case for a PoliSci class.

    If the students in question did anything like what has been mentioned in the summary, then they deserve harsher punishment than what they are currently getting.

  40. on 2 Harvard is not a sports school by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    on 2 Harvard is not a sports school or a place with people who are there for sports to take easy classes.

  41. what mass confusion?? and what clarification? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    what mass confusion?? and what clarification?

    Did most of people all hit the same errors? and did they do about the same with what the clarification said?

  42. Re:Oral exams? by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 1

    279 students seems a bit extreme to me, but whenever we had large classes, the lectures were complemented with exercises run by other teachers or TAs with around 20 students/excersie. Of course I studied engineering, but even with the humanities I can imagine smaller seminars to discuss the material from the lectures would be useful, the lecture is very much a one-way street in terms of learning, there's not much room for discussion, at least for the vast majority of the class.

  43. But there is remember stuff and not even having by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    But there is remember stuff and not even having command /? to look up commands. airplane pilot have checklists or do you want them to have to remember the full checklist?

  44. "Elite" by hessian · · Score: 1

    These are your new elites, America.

    We got tired of upper middle class white kids. That's gauche.

    Now, we have a multicultural empire of elites, who are selected for their obedience as much as anything else.

    It seems they cheat a lot. When you prioritize obedience and detail-memorization above the ability to think, that's what you get: little robots that do anything to get the grades.

    That's your future, America.

    Now transferring my investments to Europe and Asia...

  45. Re:Completely Predictable by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

    MBAs do what at Uncle Harold's conglomerate?

  46. Well it was obvious they were all using the same by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    cheat sheet. I mean when there were 60+ papers that said the speaker of the house was hooked up to the stereo system of the house you know something is up.

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  47. Crime does pay by Stormthirst · · Score: 1

    The truth of the matter is that crime does pay (and I don't just mean drug dealers or the thieves on Wall Street).

  48. This happens all the time, everywhere by DSS11Q13 · · Score: 1

    I finished my Master's at Harvard last year, and it seems like the name is the only reason this made the news. I bet most people are just happy to see the smartest and often hardest working students in the country fail.

  49. Re:Completely Predictable by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

    Yes. But with integrity comes an air of cool indifference of what "others" think.

    I have some of that too. Just ask my mother. Still, the coolest stuff I have experienced people do, didn't care for praise nor blame. I hope I can inspire someone the same way.
    So University is more of a self-challenge to me. That's _learning_. Social manoeuvering is simply strategy, and lost when you are alone or in front of a mirror.

  50. Re:Completely Predictable by russotto · · Score: 1

    So University is more of a self-challenge to me. That's _learning_. Social manoeuvering is simply strategy, and lost when you are alone or in front of a mirror.

    You're probably not at Harvard. At Harvard, social maneuvering is one of the major skills you're there to polish.

  51. Re:Completely Predictable by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

    Not in the US at all.
    If this is a school of strategy and politics, then I don't understand why they call it cheating. Pragmatically, a good politician is a good actor.