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Xbox 720 Could Require Always-On Connection, Lock Out Used Games

MojoKid writes "Sony's next-generation PS4 unveil is just two weeks away, which means leaks concerning both it and Microsoft's next-generation Xbox Durango (sometimes referred to as the Xbox 720), are at an all-time high as well. Rumors continue to swirl that the next iteration of Xbox will lock out used games entirely and require a constant Internet connection. New games would come with a one-time activation code to play. Use the code, and the game is locked to the particular console or Xbox Live account it's loaded on. Physical games will still be sold (the Durango reportedly supports 50GB Blu-ray Discs), but the used game market? Kiboshed. If this is true, it's an ugly move on Microsoft's part. Not only does it annihilate the right of first sale, it'll eviscerate any game store or business that depends on video game rentals for revenue."

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  1. Always on = !on by ernest.cunningham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Always on always turns me off.

    The main problem I see with this is the ability to lend games to friends, or have friends lend games to me! This is what hooked me in with COD 4 and the reason I purchased an Xbox. My mate lent me his copy for a day and boom I was hooked.

    That wont be happening again I guess....

    1. Re:Always on = !on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's worse than that, because of online activation for multiplayer me and my girlfriend can't both play online with games that use this technique. They expect two people in the same household to buy two copies of the game to both be able to play online even if one of the discs isn't even in use at the time because activation gets tied to your account and we have separate accounts so we can play different things at the same time on each console.

    2. Re:Always on = !on by warrigal · · Score: 5, Funny

      I used to live in AUSTRALIA, and even there we had 100mbit cable
      I'd like to know where, cobber.
      We're on fibre here in 3076-land and seldom see 10MBs. Usually less because of chronic under-provisioning, even when we pay for 100.

      the asshole of the world
      Just passing through, eh?

    3. Re:Always on = !on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You seem to have a misguided sense of trust in your average consumer... This is stuff that is very much a no-no for the Slashdot community, but the average consumer doesn't care about these things: They will want to play the next CoD, and they -might- find out afterwards that these are the restrictions to their console, but will have already forgotten the next day (or stopped caring).

    4. Re:Always on = !on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't get the anger here. Valve have been doing this with Steam sales for ages. You can't even give away an old game on Steam; it's locked to your ID. You can't even remove it from your game list.

    5. Re:Always on = !on by RaceProUK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think this is a dick move by MS.

      It's just a rumour at the moment. I'm gonna wait until details are confirmed before deciding to buy it or not.

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    6. Re:Always on = !on by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are probably right in surmising that there is a way around many objections being made.

      The real question is why we should have to pay them so we can jump through their hoops?

      The answer to that is because people buy console games and accept a locked down platform. Having game companies make use of their advantages on this platform to control your access to what you have bought has always been a "feature" of consoles. It is one reason I don't waste my money on consoles for gaming.

    7. Re:Always on = !on by tragedy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently when a company offers you a free sample, that's not good enough. You want a free game.

      No, they want to use a friend's paid-for game while the friend isn't using it. Like they might do with a vacuum cleaner, or a car, or a book.

    8. Re:Always on = !on by FyRE666 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "No, because the steam games are sub $10."

      I'm on the UK Steam store right now, and unless the US version has a totally different pricing structure, all current titles are way over "$10".

      Borderlands 2 = £29.99 ($47.11)
      Call of Duty Black Ops 2 = £34.99 ($54.97)
      Devil May Cry = £29.99 ($47.11)

      So basically you're lying, and I'm surprised your comment has been flagged insightful. Not only that, but trying to justify Steam's system because you can get around it by criminal means (in the eyes of the games companies) is ridiculous.

    9. Re:Always on = !on by CodeHxr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fully agree. It seems to me that console manufacturers are continually pushing the boundary on their policies and practices. The only thing that these large corporations see is the bottom line - money. If they aren't selling product, they're going to (hopefully) attempt to find out why. If we continue to buy products laden with (consumer hostile?) restrictions, the manufacturers of said products will (rightfully) know that they can get away with that practice and in the next iteration will push that boundary further.

      The only thing that one can really do is decide that they don't "need" that new gizmo if they feel it restricts them beyond what they feel is fair. Personally, I won't be buying any console that is locked in this manner, Xbox, PS, or otherwise.

    10. Re:Always on = !on by CrashPoint · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I had a mate staying at my house with an Xbox. I used this to play COD 4 and decided to buy my own xbox and COD 4 game.

      But with this new system, your mate will still be able to bring along his own Xbox and let you play his own copy of COD 4 on it. You will still have to buy your own Xbox to play the game if your mate's not there.

      Great. So in order to loan a game to a friend, I have to loan him my console as well, even though he has the same console in his house. Gosh, that's not retarded at all.

      Yes, you will have to buy a copy of the game instead of borrowing his, but so what? If it's that great you'd want to have your own copy anyway.

      Says who? I've borrowed great games from friends without wanting to buy them myself, and in turn loaned great games of my own to friends who didn't want to buy them. That's not some edge case either, it's a common and perfectly reasonable thing to do. Furthermore, what if we simply want to give each other games? Or buy used games? Or rent games?

      You really don't see how this is clearly worse than the way things are now?

    11. Re:Always on = !on by julesh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For many people, a book or a game loses it's utility after one run through. If you read a book that you were lent and fall into this group, you are unlikely to buy yourself another copy just because you thought it was so good the author / publisher deserved an extra chunk of money. In short, the act of lending may have prevented a sale.

      You're probably right. We should ban libraries, just in case.

  2. Well... by Kokuyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No new console for me then *shrugs*

    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yep.

      I already dropped out of modern console gaming due to DLC bullshit. This just sounds like suicide on their part to me.

      Give me PCs and emulators and go fuck yourself until you can provide a good product again, game companies.

  3. And for those with a normal... by Zemran · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... unreliable internet connection (most of the world) this will make it unusable.

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    1. Re:And for those with a normal... by damnbunni · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I live in a nation that, despite giving billions to the telecom industry, doesn't even have reliable dialup in every town.

      I'm in a town about five miles outside a city of 200,000 people, and the best I can get is 3G cellular. The speed on it is actually okay, but it's certainly not reliable, and it drops out fairly regularly.

      I'm half a mile from a school, so it's not like I'm way out in the boonies.

      (Technically yes, I could get service with another company. There's satellite, with its dropouts and terrible ping times, there's dialup at 28.8 at best due to the quality of the copper, there's ISDN at $700 per b-channel, or a T1 at $2619.20 per month.)

      But then, that's how things are in these United States of America.

    2. Re:And for those with a normal... by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But then, that's how things are in these United States of America.

      And here I thought you were talking about Canada. Same deal up here.

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  4. Burn them all at the stake! by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We don't need proof, unsubstantiated blog entries will suffice!

  5. Sounds like a good way by mailuefterl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to get themselves out of the console business again

  6. Thanks, Microsoft by Leo+Sasquatch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just made the next few months so much easier, because all the hype, specs, leaks, teasers and general media d1ck-sucking can be safely ignored.

    You've chosen to release a console that's less powerful than the PC I built 2 years ago, so heavily encrusted with DRM that it will get in the way of playing games I have purchased. Router bounces - say goodbye to your game session. ISP has problems - no games for you, you filthy thief.

    Here's a little hint, MS - you are not the only game in town. There has never been such excellent choice in the games and console market. I can run MAME on my Raspberry Pi, or Skyrim at full shiniez on the PC. What do you have to offer that's so unique? Halo? No, that's not looking a bit tired at all. Halo 5? Wow, I wonder what you have to do in *that* game!? (hint: shoot aliens...)

    My PC plays anything that needs heavy lifting - my 360, Dreamcast, N64, PS3, PS2 and Saturn all still work, and I have plenty games to tide me over your entire current console lifecycle. Really, what are you offering this time around to make up for all this shit?

  7. Re:If these rumors are true by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative
    And then you run afoul the ruling of the European Court of Justice, that allows explicitely for resale, and requires the original seller to remove all hindrances for a resale should the current owner want to.
    And don't come up with that "it's only licensed!" stuff, this doesn't fly in the E.U. It's either a sale (and all the usual conditions for a sale apply), or it's a rent (and then the usual conditions for a rent apply).
    For reference

    Where the copyright holder makes available to his customer a copy – tangible or intangible – and at the same time concludes, in return form payment of a fee, a licence agreement granting the customer the right to use that copy for an unlimited period, that rightholder sells the copy to the customer and thus exhausts his exclusive distribution right.

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  8. Re:This is a move to stop online piracy. by Rakhar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a locked XBox Live account with +half a year or so paid on it. Being a yearly subscription, I forgot to update it when I canceled my bank account (due to another bank that I dislike buying out my bank). Instead of cancelling my account, MS left it running for another 4 or 5 months, THEN closed and locked the account for nonpayment. I went out and bought a year prepaid card, entered it in my account. The next day I was locked out again. The response I got from MS? "We don't take time cards as payment for debt owed." I also couldn't get any prepaid credit cards to work with their system.

    Their system was more than happy to eat the $50 subscription card and bring my account back into the positive, but still keep me from accessing my account. Customer service told me I was out of luck. My Live account has hundreds of dollars of DLC and games on it. I sold my XBox within a week and haven't looked back. I'm done with consoles.

  9. Re:Misunderstood Intentions by MetricT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But that's just it. Publishers *do* get money from resale.

    If I know I can pay $60 for a game when it first comes out, play it for a week or two and then sell it, I'll buy it opening day.

    But since I can't resell it, I wait for that sucker to hit the bargain bin before I even consider it.

  10. Re:If these rumors are true by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's why Valve is currently dragged into a German court.

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