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Printable AR-15 Mag Gets More Reliable; YouTube Pulls Video of Demo
Wired reports that the 3-D printed AR-15 magazine from Defense Distributed we mentioned a few weeks back has been improved through design, and is now robust enough to last through firing (at least) several hundred rounds, rather than fewer than a hundred as in the previous iteration. CNET says the video demonstration on YouTube was first yanked, then restored, but as of now seems to have been yanked again.
The message says it violates Youtubes police against "spams, scams and commercially deceptive" videos..
How, exactly? Is google jumping into this dumbshit political dickwaving contest now?
Streisand effect for the win.
Better known as 318230.
Why is this at all important? You can make a magazine 'the old way" with a spring, some sheet metal, a spot welder and a metal brake (something that bends sheet metal). Yes, it takes some skill, but you're saying that a 3D printer is at the level of an iPhone?
The canonical 'assault rife', the AK-47, is pounded out in factories that look more like garbage dumps than anything else. If you look at pictures of the magazines you see a bunch that look, well, rather primitive. But they work.
This is not rocket science, folks. It's machine shop 101.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Youtube (AKA Google) is being intellectually dishonest and going back on its ideal of providing unbiased free access to information. Google has become an active filterer of this information. The video is not graphic, it is not sexual, it is relevant and political and Google has decided that is not appropriate for viewers.... Thank you Big Brother Google for protecting me from information. Maybe we should start filtering books, or speech?
I am very relieved that youtube is protecting me from dangerous information. I might hurt myself or others.
Because that opposes their will to subjugate.
Now the question, is that because someone has figured out it is the best way to get Google to react fast, or because a AR-15 magazine manufacturer is protecting his business?
Without being able to see the video, how much of a commercial sales pitch could this be anyway?
Trying to become famous by taking photos. Visit my homepage please.
but isn't it sad that violence and gore is more acceptable than sex? Show a beheading in one of Tarantino's movie is ok, but show a penis on the screen and it's x-rated?
I cant wait for the day that 3d printers will be able to print just about anything. How can you make an item illegal if anyone can print it out? How do you enforce that? Constant 24/7 surveillance of everything they print out? Even then black market printers will have someway to bypass this, as we pirate games with DRM today. I am very excited for this cyberpunkesque type of future.
Does that mean the Doctors and recipients of voluntary abortions are going to hell as well?
Are you referring to DefDist or YouTube?
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
You could host the video somewhere else, you know. Google deciding not to host it on their services does not in any way prevent you from hosting it somehwere else - or hosting it yourself. If it is not your video, you don't have to work too hrad to find out who posted it and contact them directly for it so you can host it somewhere for them.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
the actual US military issue magazines are fucking terrible, and cause a weapons jam if you load more than 28 rounds in a 30 round mag.
For all the service members still in, if defense distributed could start making reliable working functioning products not by the lowest bidder, and somehow get them to the troops, it'd be a life saver.
just like miltec would give free militec-1 dry weapon lube to servicemembers
http://www.militec1.com/
There is way too much fetishization of the "just cause I can" brigade here.
I guess this means 'friendly fire'.
An apt comment subject if ever one there was.
Apropos the gun control debate, note that the media is starting to paint Christopher Dorner with mental illness.
In particular, this quote from The Daily News:
"His chilling statements, found on his Facebook page, portray a deeply intelligent and opinionated man, one who promotes gay rights and gun control, but whose mind has unraveled, likely due to mental illness, paranoia and possibly unresolved trauma, experts said Thursday."
He wasn't mentally ill before the incident, or when he was with the LAPD, but he is now that they want to catch him.
We've seen a number of these "I've got nothing to lose, I'm going out with a bang!" cases recently. What's with that? Has there always been spree killings, but weren't reported widely until recently? Has something changed in society?
(I've often wondered what Aaron Swartz could have done, assuming he believed his life was over & had a year or so of long-term scheming to plan something.)
Don't worry, you'll never print a gun at home. The materials and processes required will always be way more than what you want to do at home. 3D printing at home will always be at the level of trinkets and useless gadgets. At best, they will require 99% of the item to be made the good old fashioned way, like this retarded gun shit, but the 3D printing nutters will stomp in with their 3D printed boots and go on and on about 3D printing...
I love guns, 3d printing, and have a fairly large penis. Sup with that! Have you ever thought some people dont feel you shouldn't be allowed to own an item because it looks scary? Especially if statistics show it kills less people than knives? It seems like the only "wimp" here is the AC that wants to regulate something which is responsible for so few homicides it doesnt even have its own category, just because of its form.
You got permits for those strawmen, and a license for that projection?
Did google actually do this, or did a ton of political extremists coordinate to click the report as spam button?
Oh Noes! Information Is Free! We Must Stop It. For THE CHILDREN.
Go straight to hell you Fucking Statist.
I'm betting that someone from a TLA put pressure on youtube
Indeed, just because Google CAN play the censorship tool of the government doesn't mean it SHOULD play the censorship tool of the government.
"His name was James Damore."
They should be, only they are proven effective killers, but are somehow protected as "choice". It is my choice to make, own, and use any weapon I so choose under 2A. Nothing other than a constitutional amendment will change that fact. 2A exists to protect citizens from an over-reaching Govt. Exactly what we are now seeing. They know we are right, but though local propaganda centers (schools), they make sure the Constitution is no longer taught so that (most) citizens don't know their rights. Welcome to Amerika.
As I understand YouTube's TOS, a first strike means two things: 1. loss of "good standing", which means loss of ability to post unlisted videos, and 2. two more slip-ups and all other videos associated with that account get yanked.
If you think being able to machine anything at home is revolutionary, just wait until you can synthesize molecules. Oh, and you'll be able to synth Big Pharma's patented molecules too; but nobody will want to do that, because their shit is mostly side effects.
The machining will come first though. Generic chemistry, or even broad classes of organics is still a very tricky idea...
Removing wrong moderation, please ignore...
Just a guess: Perhaps "deceptive" or "scam" is a way of saying "this video may infringe the copyright in the shareware platformer, but we can't say it was pulled for copyright infringement if the complainant is someone other than the copyright owner, so we'll say it's deceptive as to the ownership of copyright in the video".
I agree with you that one should consider alternatives to Google. So what software do you recommend to make a private alternative to YouTube whose users can upload videos, have them automatically converted to both MP4 and WebM at several resolutions, and have them displayed through both HTML5 and Flash Player?
I've got 30 or so magazines from different makers. Not once in thousands of rounds of shooting have I had a jam and I load all magazines to capacity.
All have magpul followers, and 12 or so are actual magpul pmags. The rest are the standard metal grey 30 round magazine.
So, you're saying that bitcoins were NOT invented to be a form of currency? Because here I always thought that using currency to buy things was the "normal" use, as opposed to an example of "misappropriation"...
Or are you just trying to say that anyone who does something you disagree with is evil?
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
I know, people should stick to the more socially acceptable expressions of their rights and not stray towards anything controversial.
One man, one rifle.
Twenty men, twenty rifles.
Fifty men, fifty rifles.
One hundred men, one hundred rifles.
One man has no chance of taking a tank, twenty guys might though. They won't be taking anything though without arms. Same goes for commandeering the drone control facility. You don't seem to understand that the second amendment isn't about one mans ability to rise up against tyranny, it's about the militias. But if you take one mans weapons, you take the militias. Your arguments are tired, pathetic, and lack any depth to what the forefathers envisioned.
I'm sorry, but no. If you sell a product, or inform others of how to make one, then you are not responsible for your users' actions. Ford isn't responsible for bank robbers using an Escort as a getaway vehicle, PC manufacturers aren't responsible for the antics of Anonymous, and Benchmade isn't responsible for stabbings.
If you can't convince them, convict them.
Yes, the big scary omnipotent govt of the US of A who also have the militia present when you vote, just to make sure you vote for the *right* person.
Give me a break. I know the US is not perfect but it's not Congo either. Businesses have to get a license (more like a tax id so the IRS can keep tabs on you), there's hunting license, and the almighty driver's license. Oh, there's also marriage license, bi/annual certification to be a social worker/ hazmat handler/ etc.
Who licenses or certifies them? I bet 90% is the big bad government you fear so much.
Sure, to earn the right to procreate should be a privilege but that's a lofty goal. Gun ownership is not a life necessity.
I wasn't a fan of Bush, but I'm not going to stockpile my basement with survivalist bullshit thinking the world is going to end. Obama is just slightly better, but not by much and again, I'm not going to stockpile ammo. This doom and gloom view of future administrations is overstated. Name an administrator's policy which has directly or indirectly caused harm to you or your family, and where a gun has defused the situation?
I hate this label, but we're a first-world nation, and things are far far from stable. Even when things were bad in Greece and Spain (which I went past summer), the protests and violence were very isolated.
How about Katrina? Or LA riots? Personally, I would've chosen to leave. If I had gotten stuck, I wouldn't need a gun - just like many others in the area and are still alive today. I have insurance. No, it would not have been fun to get those claims, but escalating a conflict with a gun is sure as hell worse.
It helps if you put the rounds in correctly (pointy end forward). Maybe that's davy's problem.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Being able to print gun parts is a much bigger issue then YouTube yanking a video. The current push for gun control doesn't address this issue at all. It would be funny if it didn't have so many implications for society at large. Printable guns are going to happen. Printable guns will be disposable and untraceable. Why keep a gun when you can print another.
If you want free speech then do not host your stuff in "the cloud"! Since when did big money grubbing corporations give a shit about your 1st (or second) amendment rights. I mean really people! Be realistic. These companies are not evil, they just don't care and they will sell you and the constitution down the river in a second if they can make a buck doing it.
That said, I think gun nuts are morons but luckily this 3d printing thing is just a stunt that will not fill the streets with AKs. The gun lobby and gun industry are the bad guys here.
What makes you think that the federal government is the only one that one might need to resist?
I'd like to refer you to the "Battle of Athens"
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
30 round magazines are NOT illegal. They do NOT require a background check to obtain.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Its the fact that you have disenfranchised the people who support you.
Ultimately, it will be trivial for them to cut the supply lines to cities and there will be f***all you can do about it.
So, just keep it up...
Seastead this.
It's just people reporting the video to get an auto take down. Happens all the time
Engineering programs in the USA are removing machine shops too. The students do everything in CAD and in 1 program. They have ZERO concept of how the 3D is going to be made in the real world. They model things that are impossible to make in the real world. The thinking is: some expert in China will modify the design so it can be mass produced since they know how to make stuff and we don't. I wonder; why couldn't they charge less but still make a huge salary doing the American's job by just learning the 3D CAD and maybe English? They could charge more since they'll know what we don't teach here anymore.
Unless China gets more MBAs they will own the USA. MBAs run companies on the edge of disaster and the Chinese know how to save and plan ahead...(until they get MBAs) I hear plenty of stories of the Chinese factory buying out their "boss" in the USA because they fell off their self-made cliff and the Chinese biz saved their money -- they end up owning their clients; lay off the overhead and keep the husk of the American company as a translation service.
So- who is going to make 3D models that can actually be printed in 3D and WORK? Not Americans. Perhaps we should get the Chinese to censor 3D models so the Americans can't get them?
You're scared shitless.
You make it sound like the govt. is an entire different race of people. Aliens if you will, trying to impose something terrible upon you.
If you think we should live in an anarchy, or that the govt is a tyranny, you need to set your clock forward from the medieval ages.
The govt. shouldn't fear us any more than we fear them. Just as I don't fear my customers stealing from my grocery store because I don't put produce behind a locked display case. It's called a social contract.
However, do I truly trust the govt. to do their job of serving and protecting me? Or to look out for my best interest? I trust, but verify. Just as they trust me to pay my taxes without cheating on my business expense.
Or maybe you should move to Waco, TX, where the rest of your lion brethren are scared shitless/ paranoid of the city council.
And drug dealers are not responsible for drug abuse, right?
The primary (and intended) use of a product should be taken into account.
In the colder climes we soon invented buildings. These are some kind of structures that provide an "inside" which shields from the "outside". This is a game changer. The "outside" can do what it wants. Snow, sleet, hail, whatever. On the "inside" of those buildings there is a constant temperature and even shielding against prying eyes. Really magical, those buildings.
Anyway, nakedness is not something to be ashamed of. It is the natural state of things. Clothing is convention, a social construct. And not more than that.
does this apply to pharmaceutical companies as well? oh, yea, that's right. your straw-man is showing.
Rockets might be an easier thing to make with existing materials and processes than printable gun parts. In theory an entire parafin or sucrose based rocket fuel could be printed right into the rocket motor casing as it's being made since it's melting point is lower than it's burning point. (Question is, can it be printed in a spark-safe environment to avoid setting it off?) Durability isn't as important if the parts are intended for one-time-use. And since rockets are more easily scalable, whatever is printed could be scaled up if you want to get a bigger boom.
30 round magazines are NOT illegal. They do NOT require a background check to obtain.
Well, that depends whether or not you live in a free state that respects a modicum of our foundational rights & freedoms. So, as a shorthand, New England and the Left Coast are not included. New York state banned any mag over 7 rounds, for example.
Especially, as in this when it's done solely to thwart legislation from making large magazines harder to get.
One might consider passing legislation that makes it a criminal offence to make weapons, or parts of weapons, available outside the regular arms dealers.
And no, that would in no way contravene the second amendment.
^ This Mod parent up, this is a great point. No one who owns a rifle honestly thinks that they're ever going to be able to stop an army, or hinder an abusive government alone. But even 500, or 1,000 people, armed with basic rifles and hiding in the woods can be quite a formidable force. Sure, in the end you can just carpet bomb the woods, but consider that there are millions of gun owners in America. If only 10% were to get angry enough to fight (and I honestly, truly hope it never comes to this), that's still thousands and thousands of armed fighters, across a massive nation. Basically, you can't bomb ALL of the forests. Disclaimer: I like having a gun, it's a tool to me. It's nice to have, and I use it for target shooting when I have the time. My point is, whenever someone says "Well, guns would be useless against tanks and etc", just remember wars like Vietnam, or the Middle East. You don't have to attack the tanks and airplanes, just their supply lines.
have a fairly large penis. Sup with that!
Clearly we need penis length restrictions and a ban on high-capacity testicles.
There's no reason a private citizen needs assault privates.
How novel.
I guess we should look at DOJ and their gun running. Since they perveted the DOJ we should ban the DOJ. Since Congress has perveted the bill of right we should ban them too. Since the Executive branch has perved things like selling missile technology to China for DNC contributions we should ban having a president.
I think printing gun magazines is far less disruptive then arming durg cartels who kill people by the hundreds or giving away top secret military technology in order to get campaign contributions. Why are you not complaining about those things?
The fact is, most people don't know how easy it is to make guns. They imagine that it requires loads of highly-specialized and expensive equipment, plus a lot of training in some esoteric art, in order to produce guns.
They further imagine that this makes production costs high, which serve as a natural limit to how many guns are in circulation.
Of course, this is pure rubbish. None of this is even remotely true. Utter nonsense.
But that doesn't stop most people from seeing this whole gun-printing fiasco as a means of upsetting that (completely mythical) economic balance. They think this makes it a lot easier to make guns, and therefore more people will make and have guns than ever before (in HUGE numbers). Further, since having guns makes people turn evil, everyone we love (including ourselves) will be put at MUCH GREATER RISK of being shot than EVER BEFORE!!!
Again, this is pure and utter nonsense. But it is what the majority of the people seem to believe, and fear. Fear produces irrational responses, which are driving youtube to yank a video.
It sucks that we must share the world with stupid and irrational people, but there isn't much we can do about it. They outnumber us, and they always will.
you will be able to print the whole damn gun and ammo.
According to the BATF, it is unlawful for you to posses the tools to make a fully automatic lower receiver.
This is probably a charge they add on after they raid your house and (accidentally burn it to the ground) when they think you have made a fully automatic lower receiver.
Therefore, its already against the law for you to have a forge or a CNC machine. The government (the BATF) will be by to pick it up on Thursday.
And then sold to the highest bidder.
Why don't you go blow up a nearby gun store? For some reason, only rabid conservatives seem to have the balls to do what they talk about; rabid liberals only have wet dreams about it.
Well, okay, I'll give you Unabomber. But him aside? No balls.
Care to explain how some guy buying weed with Bitcoins, or another guy 3D-printing an AR mag in his garage, affect you at all and "ruing technology for everyone else"?
And what does it even mean to "pervert" a technology? Bitcoins are designed as currency - currency, by definition, is used to trade goods. Drugs are a subclass of goods, so using Bitcoin to buy them is using it as intended. 3D printing is designed to produce objects out of plastic. Magazines are a subclass of plastic objects, so using 3D printers to print them is using it as intended.
Or are you of the "God told to only stick this thingy into here, and that's how it ought to be!" persuasion?
"Just 'cause I can" is pretty much the basic underlying motivation of the entire hacker subculture. See also: "just for fun" etc.
We're quoting CNET now? What is the world coming to?!?!
You think a zygote is a person. It is not.
Which is why I define the start of life at age 18.
I think any parent should be able to call their kids counselor and say 'I'm sorry, but we're going to have to ask you to put Jimmy down. We just can't afford this many kids. Jimmy is kind of goofy looking and he spends all day in the basement with that computer'. It's just a 74th trimester abortion.
You think a minor is a person, It is not.
Unibomber=a nut who thinks he's smarter then anybody else.
Liberal=a nut who thinks he's smarter then anybody else.
I'm seeing the equivalence.
Also note: Weather underground tried. They were just too stupid/stoned and blew themselves up.
Most rabid conservatives don't attack people the disagree with ether. That's firmly in 'counterproductive nut' land. It might not always be though.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
You didn't back up that statement because you knew that you couldn't. You'll now prove me right.
One man has no chance of taking a tank, twenty guys might though. They won't be taking anything though without arms. Same goes for commandeering the drone control facility. You don't seem to understand that the second amendment isn't about one mans ability to rise up against tyranny, it's about the militias. But if you take one mans weapons, you take the militias. Your arguments are tired, pathetic, and lack any depth to what the forefathers envisioned.
What militias? I think that's part of the problem: we have no local or (U.S.) State militias. I think it's time we reconstituted them. However, as I've said in another comment, I think militias must be legitimate. They must report to a public official, be it a county sheriff, city mayor, or state governor. Not just any bunch of guys with guns constitutes a militia.
Great men are almost always bad men--Lord Acton's Corollary
the actual US military issue magazines are fucking terrible, and cause a weapons jam if you load more than 28 rounds in a 30 round mag. For all the service members still in, if defense distributed could start making reliable working functioning products not by the lowest bidder, and somehow get them to the troops, it'd be a life saver. just like miltec would give free militec-1 dry weapon lube to servicemembers http://www.militec1.com/
You're selling something here? Because your comment about military magazines is pure B.S. I only buy military contract mags for my AR, and they work fine. I've been loading 30 rounds into 30 round mags for over 30 years, and have never had a problem with milspec mags. I've heard about loading the 20 round mags low, but I don't have enough experience with them to comment on that.
Great men are almost always bad men--Lord Acton's Corollary
The simplest counterexample is the US "war" efforts in the Middle East over the past decade. The full might of the US military, and on foreign soil against foreign citizens (therefore looser rules, no posse comitatus act to deal with, and less moral dilemma for the individual troops). But how hard was it for them to take the cities, and even the small towns? How many years did it take? How many cities did they basically give up on without officially tallying it as a loss? Keep in mind the armed populace of the US is far better equipped than those insurgents in Afghanistan. Way more supplies stocked, better understanding of higher-tech measures and countermeasures, high-level tradeskill knowledge, higher-quality rifles, more ammo stored, etc.
Suppressing a citizen population *anywhere* (without just bombing them all to kingdom come and destroying all infrastructure in the process, which is generally antithetical to the military's end goals) is very very hard. For the US military to do it here on US soil would be damn near impossible, even given their apparent monetary, technological, and strategic advantages.
See how it works?
A few people fuck it up for everyone else.
Obama voters killing each other in the streets over crack and territory, Democrat politicians get their panties in a wad about it and tell the rest of America they can't have guns. It's been like this since the 60s.
So welcome to the fucking club. Hopefully, you'll have the balls to stand up against it like gun owners have been.
Woot!
Are (along with NBC and MSNBC) in-bed with the Obama administration... which is in open-war against private gun ownership. You cannot count on any honesty or even-handed policies related to any information on any subject from anybody like that who follows the Saul Alinsky political playbook. Everything for them is a political means to a political end and nothing is non-political; there are no objective truths or facts. Outrage will be manufactured when it suits them (like all the outrage over the Sandy Hook school shooting which is being used to drive a gun control push) and when they can use it to grow the state and reduce the rights of individuals (even a right the constitution explicitly says "shall not be infringed") but not manufactured at all over similar events when it hurts them (like the school shooting in Mexico which was done by a drug gang armed with assault weapons provided by Obama) by highlighting their evil policies like Fast & Furious
was an engineer who worked to develop one of those systems. Should the need arise, I and some of my former "friends" could certainly design and build better ones to hunt and kill the earlier versions...
In addition, why do all you "gun control" big-brother-hugging meat-puppets-for-the-nanny-state fanatics presume that the honorable men and women of the US military would turn those weapons against the American civilian population in order to defend a bunch of corrupt politicians who have decided to violate their oaths of office????? The American soldier, sailor, airman or marine does not take an oath to the person in power as the Germans did in the 30's and 40's. American military personnel swear an oath to the Constitution and they tend to take that oath rather seriously, unlike the political dirtbags in DC.
Right now, there's no law against full capacity magazines. You can buy them in any capacity you wish. Well, I should say you can legally, they are sold out everywhere because idiots are panicking, but there's no law restricting capacity. So making your own, also no problem.
There might be an argument to taking it down if US law changed (I'm not saying I'd agree with it then either, just saying) but as it stands, there's nothing wrong with large mags legally.
I don't know why people are making such a big deal about this.
Yes, 3d printing is cool, and yes, you can make gun parts. Guess what? If it can be made out of plastic by a 3d printer, it could have been made out of a number of materials by anyone with any amount of shop experience. What's more, there are probably more people with shop experience than people who own 3d printers!
digital cameras let people make any kind of photo, and printers let you print any kind of picture, what made anyone think that 3d printers would be limited?
Nice talking point but it's bullshit.
Your hammer statistic is wrong. Way to go.
Shoulder-fired weapons won't keep you around long when you are surrounded by tanks
and drones are overhead with infrared targeting which can pick you out of any camouflage you
can come up with.
Those tanks and drones are operated by individuals. Those individuals did not swear an Oath of Allegiance to the government. They did not swear an oath of Allegiance to the President. They swore that Oath of Allegiance to the Constitution of These United States of America.
If the government decides "We the People" are it's enemy, they declare themselves the enemy of those who, unlike them, actually meant that oath when they swore it.
You might be surprised who ends up surrounded by tanks and drones.
have a fairly large penis. Sup with that!
Clearly we need penis length restrictions and a ban on high-capacity testicles.
There's no reason a private citizen needs assault privates.
You can have my cock when you pry it from your mother's cold, dead hand.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon