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Russian Meteor Largest In a Century

gbrumfiel writes "A meteor that exploded over Russia's Chelyabinsk region this morning was the largest recorded object to strike the earth in more than a century, Nature reports. Infrasound data collected by a network designed to watch for nuclear weapons testing suggests that today's blast released hundreds of kilotons of energy. That would make it far more powerful than the nuclear weapon tested by North Korea just days ago, and the largest rock to strike the earth since a meteor broke up over Siberia's Tunguska river in 1908. Despite its incredible power, the rock evaded detection by astronomers. Estimates show it was likely only 15 meters across — too small to be seen by networks searching for near earth asteroids." Today's meteor event came a day after California scientists proposed a system to vaporize asteroids that threaten Earth. Of course, the process needs to be started when the asteroid is still tens of millions of kilometers away; there's no chance to shoot down something that's already arrived.

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  1. Still overdue by Grayhand · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They say to expect a Tunguska sized one once a century and this one wasn't that big. They mostly ocean explode or strike so there's few signs of them but an ocean strike can be worse than a land one given the water they displace. They've got to wake up and start properly funding the near Earth program. It still won't protect against rouges but at least they can map ones that cross our orbit.

    1. Re:Still overdue by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Funny

      It still won't protect against rouges but at least they can map ones that cross our orbit.

      At first blush, that would seem to reduce the usefulness significantly....

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    2. Re:Still overdue by wcrowe · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought the same when I red that.

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    3. Re:Still overdue by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm green with envy at your punning skills. Is there any punning course I could cyan up to?

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    4. Re:Still overdue by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 5, Interesting

      this thing was 15 meters across, jet black, and moving like a bat out of hell. To paraphrase people that look for near earth objects "Its invisible until it hits the atmosphere."

      The sad fact of the matter is, no matter how much money you pour into programs to locate and track near earth objects, there is no way to detect objects of this size and velocity with any degree of reliability.

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    5. Re:Still overdue by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah, well, now that this is out of the way, the rest of the century should be rather pleasant.

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    6. Re:Still overdue by mrbester · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm glad that no one was puceillalimous enough to post these puns as AC...

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    7. Re:Still overdue by mrbester · · Score: 2

      And immediately I spot the spelling mistake. A cardinal error for which I apologise.

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    8. Re:Still overdue by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      They say to expect a Tunguska sized one once a century and this one wasn't that big. They mostly ocean explode or strike so there's few signs of them but an ocean strike can be worse than a land one given the water they displace. They've got to wake up and start properly funding the near Earth program. It still won't protect against rouges but at least they can map ones that cross our orbit.

      This one also had to reckon with Vladimir Putin, Russia's answer to Chuck Norris, it didn't dare strike Moscow.

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    9. Re:Still overdue by mfnickster · · Score: 5, Funny

      If we all posted AC, that might confuchsia.

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    10. Re:Still overdue by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

      They say to expect a Tunguska sized one once a century and this one wasn't that big. They mostly ocean explode or strike so there's few signs of them but an ocean strike can be worse than a land one given the water they displace. They've got to wake up and start properly funding the near Earth program. It still won't protect against rouges but at least they can map ones that cross our orbit.

      Really?

      Just detecting these things can cost billions. Doing anything about them can cost trillions.

      And most of these are air-burst, like yesterday's, (and like Tunguska). Since statistically, 3/4 of all are likely to hit ocean, the return on investment is going to be un-measurably small.

      Air bursts over water are not likely to generate any significant amount of water displacement, and therefore no ocean wave damage.
      In fact, if you take the Tunguska event, you learn from wiki "To the explorers' surprise, no crater was to be found. There was instead around ground zero a vast zone (8 kilometres [5.0 mi] across) of trees scorched and devoid of branches, but standing upright.". A similar event over water might generate some local surface waves, but nothing of significance because there would be nothing offering any resistance to the blast wave.

      Take something the size of the object that created Meteor Crater (50 meters in diameter), about 3 1/2 times as big as yesterday's object, didn't air-burst, but a substantial portion of it burned up on entry. The crater (3/4 miles in diameter) could have killed at most several million people if it hit down town London or New York city. But the biggest cities on earth are a tiny target.

      But its likely it would have never been spotted, not by any technology today, and not by any technology proposed. I suspect the cost of developing the technology and maintaining it year in and year out, upgrading it every so often, shutting it down in periods of austerity, firing it back up when fears are rekindled are simply not worth the effort, especially when you consider the chance of success is minuscule at best. Its most beneficial effect would be as a jobs program, for people who believe the government should be the source of all jobs.

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    11. Re:Still overdue by pitchpipe · · Score: 4, Funny

      What is this, god damned reddit?!

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    12. Re:Still overdue by osu-neko · · Score: 2

      "Overdue"? That's not how it works. Meteor strikes aren't like earthquakes, where the longer the time between them, the more pressure builds up. They're just essentially random. Which means you're never "overdue" for one. They don't happen at regular intervals, and a thousand years without one doesn't make one one iota more likely next year...

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    13. Re:Still overdue by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mauve over, let the experts have a shot at the puns.

    14. Re:Still overdue by war4peace · · Score: 2

      Then you should have said "yello" to him.

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    15. Re:Still overdue by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 4, Informative

      Radio Telescopes function by 'listening' to the noise generated by stars and other celestial objects. radar works by sending out a signal, and 'listening' it being reflected back, and uses the distortions in that reflection to calculate the location of an object. (more or less, thats a simplified version obviously). Now, imagine trying to detect something, that is moving so fast, that by the time the radio reflection gets back to you, it has moved entirely out of the area of sky you where scanning. the result would simply be a brief 'pip' on the screen, and the next scan pass would show nothing. Now imagine that there are hundreds, if not thousands of those objects out there, at various ranges and speeds, PLUS all the artificial satellites between us and those objects. The result on your screen would be something like the 'snow' on a TV tuned to an empty over the air broadcast channel. And that is just looking at a more or less postage stamp sized swatch of the sky. Beyond that, the interference caused by flooding the sky with radar signals would likely cause problems for terrestrial vehicles that use radar for navigation. Yes, it would be good if we could detect and track the (probably billions) of near earth objects, down to the smallest grain of interstellar gravel, but in the practical sense, we have neither the time, money, computing power, or sensing technology to achieve such a goal.

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    16. Re:Still overdue by symbolset · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If only there were some part of the spectrum we could use to look against the cold background of space for an object that absorbs all the visible light that hits it in a region of space where the sunlight pours down more than at noon in the Sahara, 24 hours a day. If only we could invent 'heat vision' something like that should stand out like a neon sign. Too bad that is impossible.

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    17. Re:Still overdue by weeboo0104 · · Score: 2

      But the California scientists azure us that the system will work.

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  2. Rain of Iron and Ice by MetricT · · Score: 3, Informative

    My favorite book on impacts. Scarier than any Stephen King novel you'll ever read, because it's real.

    http://www.amazon.com/Rain-Iron-And-Ice-Bombardment/dp/0201154943/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360966611&sr=8-1&keywords=rain+of+iron+and+ice

    1. Re:Rain of Iron and Ice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, if it were a Stephen King novel, the ending would be terrible and not fit in with the rest of the book anyway. If Stephen King wrote the ending, it would probably involve the hand of god magically coming down and crushing the meteor or something retarded.

      Screw you "The Stand". You had SUCH potential to have been an absolutely amazing book through and through.

      Aaaand then he wrote the ending, aka "I don't feel like writing this book any more, fuck it, just type whatever." Just like all of his books. At least his short stories tend to be better, since they either don't "need" an end, or are too short for him to just give up towards the end.

  3. What a country! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In USA, prisoners smash rocks. In Soviet Russia, rocks smashes prisoners!

    1. Re:What a country! by sconeu · · Score: 2

      I thought rock smashes scissors? Or alternatively, rock crushes lizard?

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    2. Re:What a country! by beltsbear · · Score: 5, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, space explores you!

  4. Pictures of fallen meteorites ? by mbone · · Score: 2

    Anyone seen pictures of pieces on the ground ? (The hole in Lake Chebarkul doesn't count.) There should be a nice strewn field from this event, and it shouldn't be hard to find pieces, which would tell us what it was made of.

    1. Re:Pictures of fallen meteorites ? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anyone seen pictures of pieces on the ground ?

      Just check eBay. There will be more pieces on offer there, then actually fell to the ground.

      Real soon.

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    2. Re:Pictures of fallen meteorites ? by mikael · · Score: 2

      Going by the circular shape of that hole in the ice, anyone in that region needs to get their flamethrowers, petri dishes and hot wires at the ready.

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  5. Nature is wrong by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

    "A meteor that exploded over Russia's Chelyabinsk region this morning was the largest recorded object to strike the earth in more than a century, Nature reports."

    Meteors don't hit earth, meteorites do.

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    1. Re:Nature is wrong by erice · · Score: 2

      "A meteor that exploded over Russia's Chelyabinsk region this morning was the largest recorded object to strike the earth in more than a century, Nature reports."

      Meteors don't hit earth, meteorites do.

      Is the atmosphere not Earth?

    2. Re:Nature is wrong by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Meteorite: A meteor that survives its passage through the earth's atmosphere such that part of it strikes the ground."

    3. Re:Nature is wrong by craznar · · Score: 2

      Only if you say strike earth (as in earth being dirt), however in terms of the biosphere we call earth - they both hit earth.

      One of course doesn't reach the surface of the earth, as it burns up in the atmosphere of the earth.

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    4. Re:Nature is wrong by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your guess is as good as mine what it would be called during the impact with the ground.

      "Inconvenient"

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    5. Re:Nature is wrong by osu-neko · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, what "meteor" actually means (from Greek) is "suspended in the air". So no, technically, the moment it touches ground, it's no longer a meteor. Arguably, meteors and meteorites are meteoroids. That term is usually only used while it's still in space, but technically any such rock in the solar system is a meteoroid, and it's still in the solar system while it's burning through the atmosphere, or sitting on the ground on Earth. A meteorite ceases to be a meteor when it hits ground, but they're both really still meteoroids.

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    6. Re:Nature is wrong by CrashandDie · · Score: 2

      And here that poor rock just wanted to rest for a few minutes; it now got stuck in a massive identity crisis.

  6. Dr. Ray Stantz was right! by cashman73 · · Score: 2

    It was "the biggest interdimensional cross rip since the Tunguska blast of 1909!" I wonder if Dr. Egon Spengler is en route to Russia right now trying to get samples of victims' brain tissue?

  7. Does Russia have a bullseye painted on it? by erice · · Score: 4, Informative

    This one, Tunguska,and one in 1947 called Sikhote-Alin that some are claiming is bigger than yesterday's rock (though still smaller than Tunguska).

    Granted, Russia is the largest country in the world by land area but do *all* the big rocks have to land there?

    1. Re:Does Russia have a bullseye painted on it? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Granted, Russia is the largest country in the world by land area but do *all* the big rocks have to land there?

      Yes, the citizens of New York should definitely write a petition to the Universe to have a few large rocks redirected towards them. :-)

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    2. Re:Does Russia have a bullseye painted on it? by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Funny

      its ok D.C. can have first dibs on the next one

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    3. Re:Does Russia have a bullseye painted on it? by istartedi · · Score: 2

      Well, I think you partially answered your own question. First, there's a lot of ocean where the event is unlikely to be reported. Next, Russia (and the areas of the former USSR) comprise a huge land mass. Even though it's sparsely populated it's enough people for the events to get reported. Next, it's a civilization with ongoing contact with the West. There might be oral traditions in much of Africa recording such events; but they might be recorded in a way that we haven't interpreted properly (e.g., colorful language about the gods being angry and the Earth trembling). We don't have ongoing respectful contact with the rest of the world going back more than 100 years. Thus, even when we figure out what happened from looking at the archaeological record and match it up with local accounts, it doesn't have the same cultural impact (no pun intended). Finally, in the wonderfully weird world of statistics not only are random events permitted to cluster, they are actually expected to cluster.

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    4. Re:Does Russia have a bullseye painted on it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Civilization?

  8. Re:Interesting times... by dyingtolive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't hold my breath.

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  9. kiloTONs of ENERGY? by Karganeth · · Score: 2

    Energy is measured in joules fools.

    1. Re:kiloTONs of ENERGY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ENERGY released by Nuclear bombs is often measured in kilotons which is an equivalent weight of tnt. Therefore, kilotons makes sense, but it is a weird unit.

    2. Re:kiloTONs of ENERGY? by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Informative

      The kiloton unit came into use to describe the explosive energy of the early nuclear bombs. A one kiloton nuclear explosion released the same energy as a 1000 ton (kiloton) TNT explosion. For people in the 1950's who were used to reading about 500 lb. and 1000 lb bombs used in WWII, it provided a useful mental scale.

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    3. Re:kiloTONs of ENERGY? by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Informative

      Energy is measured in joules fools.

      Yes it is, professor, and a kiloton is 4.18*10^12 of them.

    4. Re:kiloTONs of ENERGY? by freeze128 · · Score: 2

      Lousy bomb makers are trying to rip us off. When I pay for a kiloton bomb, I expect 1024 tons....

    5. Re:kiloTONs of ENERGY? by InsectOverlord · · Score: 2

      Next time, just make sure you buy a kibiton bomb.

  10. And even then, we *don't* want to shoot it *down*! by zooblethorpe · · Score: 4, Funny

    this thing was 15 meters across, jet black, and moving like a bat out of hell. To paraphrase people that look for near earth objects "Its invisible until it hits the atmosphere." The sad fact of the matter is, no matter how much money you pour into programs to locate and track near earth objects, there is no way to detect objects of this size and velocity with any degree of reliability.

    The fine summary notes,

    Today's meteor event came a day after California scientists proposed a system to vaporize asteroids that threaten Earth. Of course, the process needs to be started when the asteroid is still tens of millions of kilometers away; there's no chance to shoot down something that's already arrived.

    Well, there's part of the problem right there -- we don't want to shoot the things *down*, we want to shoot them *up* and *away*. Meteors and asteroids are only a problem when they come down!

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  11. I thought it was a piece of comet by UncleWilly · · Score: 2

    I thought it was a piece of comet that exploded over Siberia's Tunguska river in 1908 - I also thought it was common knowledge - go figure.

    1. Re:I thought it was a piece of comet by Velex · · Score: 2

      Yeah, summary is wrong. There wasn't even an impact, just explosion and fireball (no solid remains). Carl Sagan gave a pretty interesting description of how it was determined that it was a piece of comet in Cosmos episode 4, Heaven and Hell. Perhaps submitter and /.'s editors should give it a watch. Like in the first 10 minutes iirc. Should still be on instant on Netflix and probably Youtube too.

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  12. About 3000t mass, and 100kt energy by tp1024 · · Score: 2

    So, despite "serious" news agencies (like Associated Press) saying otherwise, it turns out this thing wasn't just a 10 ton asteroid. Which isn't entirely unsurprising. Getting a shockwave like that simply took the energy of a small thermonuclear warhead.

    Now I'm still wondering, what about the reports that the russians tried to shoot down the asteroid? It's not unrealistic it's like ... almost real!

  13. Re:Kiloton? Kessel Run? by tp1024 · · Score: 3, Informative

    By convention, it is the energy released by spontaneous decomposition of 1000t of trinitrotoluol - or 4.2 TJ of energy.

  14. Re:Relativity by Artifakt · · Score: 2

    Meteorite was originally coined as a mineral name, specifically for the high nickle iron content meteors that were effectively an iron ore, like magnetite, hematite or siderite. The people who adapted this word to mean just any rock that fell from space were going against the more precise use. It's like somebody had an at least fairly precise term, such as bird, and people adapted it to include many other things that fly (bats, pterosaurs, maple-seeds and certain types of origami), and then half of them got all Grammer Nazi on people who used the phrase 'dead birds' and the rest on the ones who wanted to lump DC-3s in with those other things, and yet none of the Grammer Nazis could admit they had stolen a term from a bunch of biologists and really mangled its use to where it's not surprising the general public isn't going along 'properly'. Here, the astronomers 'stole' the term from metalurgy and mangled the definition, then within a few generations we have astronomers and fans all upset with the public for not sticking with this misuse.

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  15. asteroids read slashdot by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    The asteroid clearly read all the "we want to catch and mine an asteroid" stories on slashdot lately and was all like "Ok, I'm coming down"

  16. Re:hundreds of kilotons? no EMP? by lachlan76 · · Score: 2

    EMP from a nuclear bomb occurs when gamma radiation ionises the upper atmosphere. A non-nuclear explosion does not produce gamma rays and so no EMP occurs.

  17. Re:Other fears of the planets demise by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

    No.

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  18. Re:Russian Meteors by cffrost · · Score: 2

    How much do you make by ripping videos off and stuffing them with ads? Does Youtube really pay you to do that?

    Unless you're talking about the translucent watermark in the top right corner of the video, I think you may have a browser security/annoyance vulnerability.

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  19. Re:The history and current increase of meteors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are you seriously trying to extrapolate the number of meteors based on the number of observations submitted to a website facing both growing popularity and growing population of internet users?

    Using similar methods, we can conclude that the population of cats has exploded exponentially in the last decade, and we should all be waist deep in cats shortly.