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Gubernatorial Candidate Speaks Out Against CAS
New submitter C0R1D4N writes "Carl Bergmanson, a New Jersey gubernatorial democrat running in the 2013 primary, has recently spoken out against the new 'six strike policy' being put in place this week by major ISPs. He said: 'The
internet has become an essential part of living in the 21st century, it uses public infrastructure and it
is time we treat it as a public utility. The electric company has no say over what you power with their
service, the ISPs have no right to decide what you can and can not download.'"
Well, at least consumers now have an obscure gubernatorial candidate, who stands no chance of winning either the primary or election, on their side. Guess that beats *nothing*.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
ISPs look like common carriers and quack like common carriers. It's high time we started treating them as common carriers (i.e., imposing net neutrality on them).
"... the ISPs have no right to decide what you can and can not download."
But the government does, right?
"The internet has become an essential part of living in the 21st century, it uses public infrastructure and it is time we treat it as a public utility."
Isn't it convenient how politicians use this situation to exert more control over the Internet? (And now watch as thousands of geeks who have otherwise been staunchly against the government regulating the Internet line up behind this guy.)
Liberty in your lifetime
Having seen how government regulation works in New Jersey, I am not sure that Internet oversight would be any kind of improvement there...
Do we really want the internet to be regulated as a public utility? You would still have someone telling you what you can and can't download, only instead of the ISP's, it would be the FCC.
Scary thought.
"When you use electricity to power your porn, that porn doesn't pass through the electricity company to get to you. "
Uhhhhhh, broadband over powerline?
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
I see they are going for a newspaper look,
but the words
are so spread out
it makes my brain bleed
to try and read it. and it looks like
the articles are all smashed. together. and junk
Going along with your line of reasoning, the ISPs are distributors of child pornography and all of their executives should be jailed for life.
Just like the phone company absolutely has the right to refuse letting some calls pass through their switches if they want, right?
Finally, someone standing up against Computer Algebra Systems! Those whizzy calculators are destroying education in this country, leaving children mathematically crippled, unable to manage the simplest symbolic manipulation in their own heads.
Yeah, I didn't RTFS beyond the headline; why do you ask?
Broadband over powerline has negligible market share.
Regardless to whether this candidate wins or loses, he offered an interesting perspective that others are forced to listen to. In my worthless opinion, one voice, leads to several voices questioning whether its feasible which leads to someone sponsoring a bill that gets debated. Its a humble process that sometimes snowballs into something meaningful. I am not so cynical that I believe his idea will change that industry overnight but I am hopeful that it gives others in power or wanting to come into power ideas that might be more useful to consumers.
Last I checked, there was tyranny going on both sides of the isle, not just Democrats. In fact, Republicans cater to the rich and powerful, when in history was there ever a poor tyrant?
Well, we'll just see how many "campaign contributions" he gets from the MAFIAA.
Great. What effect is this statement more like to have
- ISPs stop telling you what you can download or not download
or
- Electric companies getting ideas about having a say over what you power with their service.
With a stand like that, he won't find that big corporate America will back him, left or right.
Not if they want to claim they are dumb pipes. If they do it, fine, but then they are partly responsible for everything you download that does pass.
Because electricity companies NEVER report houses with extraordinarily high usage to the DEA, right? RIGHT?
Though its a breath of fresh air to hear a political candidate talking like this about the internet, I feel like its too little too late. The machine is already powering up, plus who listens to obscure gubernatorial anyways?
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When you use electricity to power your porn, that porn doesn't pass through the electricity company to get to you. An ISP absolutely has the right to refuse letting some stuff pass through their servers if they want.
Ah, "right to refuse" and "legally inclined to give a shit" are worlds apart, especially in financial terms.
And the worst issue with that statement is the fact that the financial burden is NOT on the business, it is being pushed back on the consumer, which is bullshit.
My first thought from the headline was, "Why would they have a problem with Continuous Active Sonar?".
Or he'd have my vote!
Except the power company owns the electricity running through their lines. ISPs don't own the data passing through theirs.
You start drawing significantly more power than your house (or apartment) has previously drawn, and the utility will investigate, and possibly report you to the police as a grow farm operation. Many a marijuana grower has been caught because of their utility bill.
A democrat who speaks the truth!
I'd actually vote for this man.
It is also the uploading of copyrighted material that triggers the strike.
Which is worse?: The ISP handing over your information so you can be sued or getting a warning?
Perhaps both are bad, but the warnings may cost the user less money.
They wrote a story
typeset in the form of a seventh-grade paper
where only the page count matters.
But the trick never worked
as the teacher docked them anyway.
It was worth one more try.
This article is clearly about the dreaded Channel Associated Signaling. Better late than never that someone stands up and raises his voice against this atrocity
Way to white knight the cause Carl. I'd vote for him.
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
His name is Carl Bergmanson, not "Bermanson". Come on, editors, what purpose do you even serve?
Would it kill you to define CAS?
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Government-adminned Internet is just as bad as capitalist-adminned. The only way to return to how the Internet truly should be is to put it in the hands of some sweaty neckbeards.
When the state surrenders power someone else will grab it.
Yawn. The linked "article" is just a press-release from a fringe candidate. I'll be impressed if I see a mainstream candidate saying something like this and it's not just in a press-release.
"But we decide which is right, and which is an illusion"
"He said: 'The internet has become an essential part of living in the 21st century, it uses public infrastructure and it is time we treat it as a public utility. The electric company has no say over what you power with their service, the ISPs have no right to decide what you can and can not download.'"
Then perhaps he can explain all the legislation out there where power companies can and do regulate how much power you use, when you use it...
Y'know... like California's restriction on Plasma TVs perhaps?
Mod this fucker troll. ISPs are dumb pipes and should not be inspecting my traffic.
Unless they're seeing Windows malware going across their network, then it's their RESPONSIBILITY to cutoff that user until they've installed linux.
captcha: hypocrite
It's like banning someone from a shopping mall because they're carrying weapons. You may not be liable for crimes they commit with those weapons but you still want to prevent it.
Phone companies can and do throw people off of their services for breaking their ToS.
If your consumption is much higher than the norm, they'll notify the police of a possible grow operation.
Wansu, th' chinese sailor
"Packet inspection? No sir! ...we'd prefer to inspect the whole JPEG!"
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ftfy
Life is a great ride, the vehicle doesn't matter
"No sir," said the man, "I came back to see if you have a bronze Politician."
FTFY
"it uses public infrastructure and it is time we treat it as a public utility."
What part of "the internet" is publicly owned, outside of a few last-mile segments in municipalities that have elected to provide that service?
Last I read, the "backbone" of internet was owned by private companies. The ISPs are private companies. All of the tiers in between them are owned by private companies.
Or, is this to imply that Americans should consider all of that privately-owned property to be "public", because some foreign governments "own" the phone companies in their countries, and we can connect to them through our privately-owned infrastructure?
There are often terms of service for any utility, and part of those terms can easily be that you do not use the service of that utility to break the law.
So yes... electric companies *can* say that you aren't allowed to use it to power things when you are using those things to commit a crime, such as powering heat lamps to illegally grow marijuana in your own home.
The only thing that might be argued to be wrong with this is that there may not necessarily be any tangible proof that a particular ISP subscriber had anything to with a particular crime.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Phone companies can and do throw people off of their services for breaking their ToS.
AC was a little more specific than ToS. Can you name a phone company that ended someones contract for calling someone they didn't want them to call?
Yeah, because subverting private industry to become part of the state is somehow going to stop the state from using that apparatus to restrict your rights.
Brilliantly short sighted Slashdot, as usual.
It's like banning someone from a shopping mall because they're carrying weapons. You may not be liable for crimes they commit with those weapons but you still want to prevent it.
Which is perfectly within your rights on private property. Banning someone because their nosy neighbor told you they or their friend might own a gun somewhere in their possession (more similar to the CAS penalties, applied without any proof or due process) would raise eyebrows. But banning someone from public streets, or even privately-operated establishments on publicly-owned land, based on such hearsay would constitute a violation of your rights. Same thing with CAS and ISPs banning you from their publicly-subsidized networks based on the automatically-generated accusations of big content.
The most expensive, difficult, LARGEST, and publicly owned part of any direct connect service is the last mile. The ISPs must use public land or public airwaves to get to your home; they get permission from the public using public institutions (government which used to be by and for the people but that is off topic.) The same system which provides water, sewer, roads, phone, power - although some of those are too new to be public and instead are privatized at our expense (but we love to pay more so somebody can get rich off a monopoly, our water, sewer, and roads are next...)
ISPs didn't build up the infrastructure completely on their own, they had plenty of public (gov) support in doing it and they did a bad job of it too. ISP motives were to milk profit not keep the USA on top and so here we sit while the world advances. Asians are going to be video editing home videos faster on the cloud (500Gbps) while we get excited we can finally play 2 HD netflix streams at once and can't upload jack.
The public can demand anything they want because it is OUR land that allows the last mile connection to be possible. You can put your stuff on that land but if the landlord changes their mind, you are evicted!
If the people (gov) want your stuff, they are allowed to take it from you but must pay you for it; that is, unless they say it is a form of drug money or terrorism, then you lose it without due process and must prove your innocents. This loophole on fundamental rights never happens to corporations (cough, HSBC) but too often it happens to citizens. The government always had that power for the public good but thanks to the SCOTUS, Walmart can buy your house and kick you out by bribing your town council for the corporate good.
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Whether or not ISPs can dictate what you can or cannot download should be directly related to whether or not they can be liable for you gaining access to illegal material. If they have no liability, then they should just bug off. If however the copyright holders can go after your ISP for allowing you to violate their copyright then it is in the best interest of your ISP to see that you do not.
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The biggest problem with getting copyright law reformed is "How do you get a few million more Americans to care?". Thanks CAS for solving that problem & guaranteeing this will be a political topic soon enough.
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Imagine if the RIAA listened in on your conversation and one of the things that could get you banned from the telephone is letting a friend hear your music collection playing.
It is common practice for a power company to report over usage to the feds as a suspect for cannabis growing. This info is used all the time to bust grow operations...
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20120129/PC1602/301299979
So if you apply this to ISPs.. If they see over usage compared to your neighbors, then can report you as suspect of a crime - ie copyright infringement...
I don't agree with the policy itself, but saying you can do whatever you want with your power and not have it reported is just flat wrong....
And if his website weren't thoroughly slashdotted, I'd be checking out exactly what he stands for.
(NJ's governors tend to have earned their rep as things you wouldn't want stuck to the bottom of a shoe)
(no really, you don't want a hysterical corrupt hypocrite stuck to the bottom of your shoe)
(actually, it applies to both parties for about every office in the state)
> The electric company has no say over what you power with their service, the ISPs have no right to decide what you can and can not download.
1., If the electric company thinks you have suspiciously high juice consumption, they will talk on the red phone and federal SWAT agents will pay you a visit.
2., Downloading Hollywood movies and watching them without paying is an active form of anti-semitism, because movie studios were founded, are owned and managed by jewish people. Actually most of the movie directors, producers and a majority of actors are ethnic jewish also and they are proud and open about that achievement of their race. You, P2P-er are taking from them, jews in the same way germans took from them in the 1930s when they threw bricks into the shop windows of jewish-owned businesses and looted goods during the "Crystal Nacht".
Hundreds of thousands of US GIs and british and french soliders and millions of young soviet men died on the battlefields to crush anti-semitism and 60-70 years later we get it again and people pretend not to hear when we tell them that P2P = NSDAP. If you must download, download .jp/.kr media, as jewish people do not live there, so their interests are not hurt. On the other hand, downloading anime for free you get what you pay for: moral corruption and pervertion, because those far eastern cultures are without the supreme light brought to us by the Ten Commandments!
It is pretty ironic that a gubernatorial candidate, is speaking out against complex adaptive systems when his democratic party itself is one.
But it's still in the market so it counts.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
I was just wondering about this the other day. I was thinking, why isn't the internet more like a utility? I mean, it's large enough and it's got to the point where most people almost have to have internet access. No one should have a say of what I do with that access / bandwidth.