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We Aren't the World: Why Americans Make Bad Study Subjects

Lasrick writes "This is just fascinating: Joe Henrich and his colleagues are shaking the foundations of psychology and economics, and explain why social science studies of Westerners — and Americans in particular — don't really tell us about the human condition: 'Given the data, they concluded that social scientists could not possibly have picked a worse population from which to draw broad generalizations. Researchers had been doing the equivalent of studying penguins while believing that they were learning insights applicable to all birds.'"

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  1. Re:If you wanted to know about humans, by ByOhTek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ummm... We certainly aren't primitive.

    As far as gun loving rednecks, that's just a small, overly-vocal part of our community. Every community has the small group of overly vocal nut-jobs that makes them look bad. Hell, yours has you, doesn't it?

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  2. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Researchers had been doing the equivalent of studying penguins while believing that they were learning insights applicable to all birds.'"

    Are they saying all the Americans are fat birds, unable to fly?

    1. Re:What? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are they saying all the Americans are fat birds, unable to fly?

      In Third World countries, only the rich can afford to be fat.

      In America, only the rich can afford to be thin.

      And in America, almost everyone can afford to fly. Which is unfortunate, if you get the middle seat, between two fat folks.

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  3. American Exceptionalism! by Freddybear · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now scientifically proven! ;)

  4. Mod summary off-topic. by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article isn't actually about the Western world, or how Americans are "bad study subjects". Rather, the research TFA talks about is indications that Western assumptions about cognition are based on Western culture, rather than biological design*. In essence, the researchers acknowledge that some of the basic fundamental ideas of perception may not be so fundamental.

    It really has nothing to do with Americans being inherently bad study subjects. Rather, it accuses the field of anthropology of focusing too heavily on a single (though changing) culture throughout its history. In other words, sampling bias exists.

    * "Design" In the "structure and function" sense, not the "somebody intentionally built this" sense.

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    1. Re:Mod summary off-topic. by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

      It really has nothing to do with Americans being inherently bad study subjects.

      It really has.

      It has a lot of words about how the Americans often are located far at one side of the bell curve and very seldom "just average humans".

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  5. Holy Crap by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

    This summary has almost nothing to do with the underlying article, and the headline draws a completely erroneous conclusion. It isn't about Americans being bad study subjects at all, but rather the idea that extrapolating between two cultural groups that have vastly different environments is much harder than previously thought.

  6. Re:If you wanted to know about humans, by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nuh-uh, I don't live in a community you stupid American.

    According to TFA, this makes you exceptionally close to the typical American, who have been shown to be the group of humans most likely to view themselves outside a culture or community.

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  7. Re:If you wanted to know about humans, by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rednecks are a very small part of the gun culture. They happen to be the most vocal of us. Kind of like how the really weird and disgusting LGBTQ people seem to be the most vocal of those people.

    I assume this is at -1 for Unpleasant Truth?

    It never ceases to amaze me how self-proclaimed "intellectuals" have the exact same hangups about unpleasant but true speech as all the folks they like to pretend they outsmart.

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  8. Re:Wow! by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This headline is the most hateful and prejudiced comment about Americans I have heard all day!

    Wow, you must live a very sheltered existence. I would be flattered if someone said that about me. I don't want to represent the average.

    Just to make your day even more interesting: I have noticed at least 3 posts from people living in the US who took offence at this article. This means that some >0 percentage of the US population who can both read and write, either don't know what "make bad study subjects" means, or they aspire for their nation to be totally average in every way.

    There, what I just wrote is now the most hateful and prejudiced comment about 'Americans' you have heard all day.

  9. Re:Who is human? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everyone is human, but Americans are outliers. If you could only study a small handful of people, they would be an awful choice. They are not representative of the average. That is one of Henrich's minor points. If you were trying to predict the average human behaviour, and had to leave out a country, the US would be one of the best choices, because it is so different.

    The trend of studying only Americans was a result of cultural blindness. Paraphrasing the article: multiculturalism purports that all cultures are unique and special and have interesting intrinsic attributes, but academics refuse to discuss them because they don't want to be accused of racism or stereotyping. To avoid the question, they assumed that everyone was alike, and just chose to study people who were readily available (usually the undergrads at their campuses.)

    Henrich et al. have shown this to be a bad decision, and have presented data that shows the study samples were not only deeply skewed by being from a Western, (culturally) European, industrialized, rich, and democratic country, but also that the United States was very atypical of other countries that met those same criteria.

    The ultimate goal of the article isn't to claim that Americans are somehow no longer worth study, though, just that you can't make assumptions about everyone else based on how they act. They're accusing everyone else of cherry-picking, and want to encourage samples from around the world to be considered equally. That being said, though, the article doesn't discourage studying any particular group: it has a couple of observations about differences amongst American populations, too.

    I'm kinda getting the vibe that you're a radical isolationist. You may wanna work on that.

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  10. Re:If you wanted to know about humans, by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

    The internet does as well. In fact it has made the minority seem like a majority for a long time. It is amazingly easy to create an echo chamber here.

    I agree- good point!

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  11. Re:If you wanted to know about humans, by lgw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Way to entirely miss the point.

    First of all, the American rebels started with just hunting rifles, with no cannon or other serious military gear of the time. The Revolutionary War got started because, against all odds, the rebels sucessfully captured armories.

    But really, that's not the point. If you're fighting against actual military equipment, it will be a civil war, and both sides will have actual military equipment - that's not why you need an armed populace. Tyranny never starts with the Army being sent against civilians - that just defines the point at which tyranny has won.

      Tyranny starts with Brownshirts. Unofficial (but government sponsored) death squads that pull people out of their houses in the middle of the night and disappear them, or just shoot them right there in the street. That beginning is where an armed populace can fight back. There are historically only a handful of people willing to be Brownshirts. If only 10% of that armed 30% are brave enough to actually fight back, then the Brownshirts lose, and tyranny falters.

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  12. Re:If you wanted to know about humans, by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first two seem like positive things to me.

    The point of the article is not that they are good or bad, but that they are not normal. Americans are not just different on these issues, they are the most extreme. In no other society is "fairness" to strangers more given or expected. Americans are not only more likely to offer a "fair deal" to a stranger, but they are also more likely to pay a price to punish an unfair defector.

    The researchers found that in some societies, not only is stinginess tolerated, but excessive generosity is punished. The reason given is that in these societies, accepting a gift incurs an obligation to reciprocate. So the generosity is rejected to avoid the future obligation.

    Americans are often surprised when they travel abroad, and see foreigners walk unconcerned past someone in obvious need of assistance. We are also sometimes surprised at other societies' intolerance for dissent or non-conformity. Americans say "the squeaky wheel gets the grease", but the Japanese equivalent is "the nail that sticks up will be hammered back down," which expresses the opposite sentiment.