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Microsoft Releases Internet Explorer 10 For Windows 7

An anonymous reader writes "Internet Explorer 10 for Windows 7 is out. Windows 8 may suck but now you can at least enjoy (most of) that version's Internet Explorer. IE10 for Win7, originally not planned, has seen the light of day after all — four months after it debuted in Windows 8. It is available via Windows Update as an optional update; however, if you've already installed a pre-release version, it will be updated automatically as an 'important' update. IE10 on Win7 requires a platform update to bring some Windows 8 APIs to the more mature Windows, and it will not feature embedded Adobe Flash as the Windows 8 version does (use the plug-in version from Adobe, as usual, instead)."

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  1. Actually... I'm glad. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to do compatibility testing and dont want to have to install Windows 8, even on a VMWare image.

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    1. Re:Actually... I'm glad. by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sad to say, but you probably still will.

      If you expect the same versions of the same software to behave identically on different OSes, then the shining glory days of your web development career are still ahead of you.

      Incidentally, does IE still have a complete mental meltdown when talking to no-cache servers over SSL?

    2. Re:Actually... I'm glad. by BLToday · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I thought the "embedded" Flash of IE is similar to Chrome's embedded Flash. Meaning Microsoft maintains its own build of Flash like Google maintains its own Flash. So it's up to Microsoft to fix any security issues and not rely on Adobe to release a patch to the consumer. So it could be a good thing like Chrome or a terrible thing like IE6.

    3. Re:Actually... I'm glad. by infogulch · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm thinking "embedded" actually means "included", like how chrome included flash player instead of using the plugin version.

      This is a good thing since updates to flash player happens at the same time as updates to the browser (in the case of IE, it's handled by windows update) and it's easier to update and therefore more likely for critical flash updates to be applied.

      Not sure how different "embedded" vs plugin is for security.

    4. Re:Actually... I'm glad. by filthpickle · · Score: 5, Informative

      You probably use FF because you just like it more in general. But in case anyone wants to know.

      Type chrome:plugins in the address bar to open the Plug-ins page.
      On the Plug-ins page that appears, find the "Flash" listing.
      To enable Adobe Flash Player, click the Enable link under its name.
      To disable Adobe Flash Player completely, click the Disable link under its name.

    5. Re:Actually... I'm glad. by t4ng* · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I never understood why Microsoft, with all its code signing, frameworks, and what-not, never opened up an API for Windows Update so there could be a single update system instead of every OEM and software company piling on their own update systems. Seems simple...

      1. Register application and its update url with Windows Update API.
      2. Windows API checks code signing, rejects invalid and unsigned code.
      3. Windows Update updates all code-signed software on system.
      4. ...
      5. Profit?

      Ah! Now I see why it hasn't been done!

    6. Re:Actually... I'm glad. by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thank you for not giving a single example of a piece of legitimate software being replaced by a piece of malware from the same company via Google Play.

      I'm impressed by your inclusion of the first one actually: not only is it not an example of the type of thing we're talking about, but it's not even installable via Google Play. One might almost think that you simply googled for "Google Play malware" and pasted the first four stories, without actually checking to see if they're relevent.

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  2. mistake in article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    IE7 on Win7 requires a platform update
    should be
    IE10 on Win7 requires a platform update I think

  3. This is why people hate MS by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Informative

    Artificially limiting what versions of the OS can run their other software is a huge annoyance of windows. There is no reason why this and newer DirectX could not be back ported to XP.

    1. Re:This is why people hate MS by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can still build software for 2.2 if I want. I could backport any fix I like.

      I am not actually expecting them to backport something to XP, just pointing out that until recently they held IE10 from Windows 7 for no good reason.

    2. Re:This is why people hate MS by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The funny thing is that everyone else manages to produce a modern browser without altering the underlying OS to do so. That's why the latest and greatest Firefox, Chrome, and Opera run on anything XP and later but IE versions are segmented.

      Yet MS claims that they do not leverage their unique level of control over the Windows OS to benefit their non-OS products. Things like using secret un-published APIs or hacking on the APIs to benefit their other software exclusively...

    3. Re:This is why people hate MS by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      that's hot fixes and patches, just like MS

      who is writing new software for 10 year old Linux kernels or distros?

    4. Re:This is why people hate MS by omnichad · · Score: 4, Informative

      What about Siri? Apple certainly did restrict older devices. All it requires is a microphone and the ability to upload a recording to a server. And they pretended it used advanced technology on the phone itself. It wasn't even until a later phone that they actually improved the microphone to work well with Siri.

    5. Re:This is why people hate MS by vux984 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wrong.

      How is it "wrong"? How is the fact that itunes 11 won't install on Leopard in any way even the slightest bit different from what Microsoft is doing? Both companies just want to move on and not support the old stuff.

      Apple doesn't artifically limit it.

      Yes, actually they do. Hell there have been OS X upgrades that they have simply DECIDED not to let run on older Apple hardware.

      http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/26562/leopardassist

      LeopardAssist is a simple tool to install Leopard on older, unsupported Power Macs.

      "It bypasses the 867 MHz processor check in the Leopard installer to allow systems that don't meet the requirements to complete installation. It achieves this by temporarily faking the clock speed in the device tree, changing it to 933MHz, and then launching the Leopard Installer. No modified Leopard DVD's, no hardware hacks or tweaks, just a one-time run application. (Much like XPostFacto)"

      It doesn't get to be any more of an artificial limit than that. 900MHz = "Ok" 800MHz = "No you can't install it".

      There are a number of other similar OSX upgrade related jerk moves like this over the years.

      What could be more artificial than that?

      They make it clear they move on and don't support old stuff because that's what they want to do not because it's physically impossible.

      Same as microsoft.

      Microsoft doesn't want to support directX on XP. They said so. Nobody ever claimed it would be "impossible". Ditto for Internet Explorer. They could support IE10 on XP but they don't want to, and said so. But at least in those cases it would be actual work to get them running on the older system.

      Apple is the only one that completely artificially blocks you from running new software on old OSes, or new OSes on older hardware. Safari 5 was artificially exclusive to Tiger. Itunes restrictions have also been pretty artificial. I think my favorite is itunes because you needed the latest itunes to support new iphones, but itunes only supports the latest macs.

      My brother got burned by an iphone, forcing him to update itunes, forcing him to update his OSX, forcing him to buy a new computer. And he wasn't running a decrepit old computer either; it was meeting his needs just fine.

      It was rather ironic that itunes supported Windows XP PC which came out years before his Mac computer. (Granted it required XPSP2... but XPSP2 is a free upgrade that worked on any computer that ran XP. vs OSX updates which were not free and which do not run on any Mac made in 2002 onwards with nothing more than a (optional) ram upgrade.

  4. Re:Can we have the story with the additude? by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. Most of those versions of Windows were not hated "when they came out".

    Win 3.1 was massively groundbreaking at the time, a huge improvement on 3.0, itself the first version of Windows to be taken seriously. People started to seriously dislike it as time went by, with its major memory problems, and as systems that had superior UIs but inferior featuresets (such as Mac OS) started to catch up, but at the time it was launched? It was loved.

    95, ditto.

    98? I thought it was meh, and by that point the Microsoft vs Netscape war was on, with Linux starting to get taken seriously. Still, people who liked Windows liked it.

    Me? Yes. That one you're correct about, people hated it when it came out.

    2000? No, that was widely loved. XP? Mixed reception, as it was the first consumer version of NT (good), but also introduced everything from the ugliest UI since Windows 3.1 to "Product activation".

    Vista. Yes, That one you're correct about. But that was based upon user reviews. (Personally I didn't think Vista was that awful, but...)

    7? No. Widespread rejoicing as almost everything that was wrong about XP was fixed. There were even die-hard GNU/Linux users who were willing to run it. Even I like 7.

    8? Yes. That one you're correct about. But that's based upon user reviews.

    So, basically, out of the eight versions of Windows you mention, three were panned "When they came out", three were widely praised, and two had mixed verdicts. Even on Slashdot.

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  5. Re:Summary is FUD. Windows 8 does not suck. by Nocturnal+Deviant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not sure which world you are in, but in the age where humans dont have elephant arms for holding their hands up all day every day messing with a touch screen on a desktop, it sure isnt this world where windows 8 Does suck. This is primarily a website for IT and Developers, people who make things/work for others, if you want a site that is about the average joe with his laptop, go ahead praise it all you want, but this is news for nerds, and according to nerd usage, yes, it does suck.

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  6. Re:Can we have the story with the additude? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not so much hate, it's simply "why bother?" At the very least, very, very few of the Windows versions that came out were a "must have" the day they hit the street. Most matured first, and after much maturing they became useful.

    Win3.1: It was something new, and it was something very useful to people who couldn't memorize CLI commands, but face it, it gobbled away a lot of the very precious 640k most programs NEEDED to run. It wasn't even useful as a launch platform, but programs written for it went ... well, they went. I almost said went fine. Still, for its time it was serving the purpose, but it was of little use to me.

    95: 95 sure WAS a step ahead, but again, in the beginning, it was mostly a "what for?" thing. Few programs were "for 95", but it sure did run Windows programs much smoother than 3.11 did. Since I had few 3.11 programs, my use for it was pretty limited, considering that I had to boot into the DOS-Mode it (luckily) had more often than not. Still, over time, it became very useful, but only after programs appeared that made use of it.

    98: 98 was the working version of 95. Especially in the networking area it sure was a huge leap ahead. 98 was actually one of the few versions that I didn't ask "what for?" but got it instead. Funny enough, its big advantage over 95 was mostly "invisible", because what set them apart was not the surface but actually the inner workings.

    ME: ME was a solution desperately looking for a problem, and in their infinite wisdom MS made ME the problem so people could start looking for a solution instead. This was the true "what for?" moment in the development of Windows, because not even after it was out a while it became more useful than its predecessors.

    2k: 2k was groundbreaking. It was, as far as I'm concerned, the ONLY OS MS ever made where there was simply no reason to ask "what for". It had its right to exist right from its inception. It combined the stability of the NT line with the compatibility of the 9x line. Seeing how this was also the time when security actually started to become an issue, there was no reason to tardy.

    XP: Another initial "what for" that gradually earned its right to exist. In its early stage, it was pretty much 2k with little useful add onto it. Its useful features only became more prominent as they became more widespread.

    Vista: Vista is IMO still waiting for its reason d'etre, as is 7 (and considering how I deem 7 the final version of Vista, I will lump them together). So far I couldn't identify any features in Vista or 7 that XP didn't provide sufficiently, aside of arbitrary compatibility issues that could easily be backported if MS so pleased.

    And finally Win8 may be useful on a tablet, but so far I didn't see any features that would convince me that I'd want it on my desktop. It's not "worse" than 7, mind you, but the eternal MS question applies to this one as much as to nearly every version before:

    "What for?"

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  7. Re:Can we have the story with the additude? by recoiledsnake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    GP is talking about summaries and +5 insightful Slashdot posts.

    7? No. Widespread rejoicing as almost everything that was wrong about XP was fixed. There were even die-hard GNU/Linux users who were willing to run it. Even I like 7.

    Perhaps you missed the FUD campaign with faked benchmarks that Slashdot lapped up against Windows 7?
    Or the stories about how it was horrible?

    A refresher, go read the summaries and comments:

    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/02/16/2259257/draconian-drm-revealed-in-windows-7
    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/11/1735210/anti-piracy-windows-7-update-phones-home-quarterly
    http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/01/30/1437233/if-windows-7-fails-citrix-not-linux-wins
    http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/1345247/windows-7-reintroduces-remote-bsod

    One of the faked benchmark articles http://tech.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=10/02/18/0429258

    The big reveal http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/21/2329249/windows-7-memory-usage-critic-outed-as-fraud

    It's funny to see the modded up posts on Slashdot on given stories. Comparing Windows to Linux or OS X? Windows absolutely sucks and everyone has or is moving away from it. Windows N vs. Windows N-1 ? N-1 is suddenly the best OS ever and version N sucks horribly.

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