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Sergey Brin Says Using a Smartphone Is 'Emasculating'

An anonymous reader writes "While speaking at the TED Conference in California earlier today, Sergey Brin seemingly tried to set the stage for a world where using Google Glass is as normal as using a smartphone. What's more, Brin went so far as to say that using smartphones is 'emasculating.' Brin said that smartphone users often seclude themselves in their own private virtual worlds. 'Is this the way you're meant to interact with other people,' Brin asked. Are people in the future destined to communicate via just walking around, looking down, and 'rubbing a featureless piece of glass,' Brin asked rhetorically. 'It's kind of emasculating. Is this what you're meant to do with your body?' Is wearing futuristic glasses any better?" Another reader sends in an article that also muses on our psychological connection to our devices. Or, as he puts it, the "increasingly weird and perhaps overly intimate relationship we have with our gadgets; the fist we touch when awake, the last at night. Our minds have become bookended by glass."

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  1. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is vs staring into some one's face while you ignore them while reading something off your glasses?

    1. Re:Hmm by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or trying to hold a conversation with someone who's ignoring you and reading Slashdot on their glasses?

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    2. Re:Hmm by davester666 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or trying to hold a conversation with someone who's ignoring you and speaking to their glasses?

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    3. Re:Hmm by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Informative

      The inability to even tell if they're looking at you is particularly weird. I had a meeting with this guy as a student 8 or 10 years ago or so, when he was wearing a heads-up display attached to a computer he kept sort of slung over his shoulder, with a one-handed chording keyboard on the outside of it. It seemed interesting tech-wise, definitely at the time, when it was all DIY'd. But it was slightly weird always being unsure when he was looking through his glasses at me, and when he was looking at his glasses reading the web or something. At least with a smartphone or laptop you can see people look down and look up.

    4. Re:Hmm by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's a great defence when going out on a date.

      "Looking down at your cleavage? Please what kind of person do you think I am! I was watching porn!"

    5. Re:Hmm by itsthebin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      or 2 people wearing "glass" ignoring each other while having a skype conversation with each other .........

      would that be similar to "crossing the beams" ?

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    6. Re:Hmm by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh come on. We know you were actually reading slashdot on your date. Noone's going to believe the porn story.

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    7. Re:Hmm by vux984 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No one's even going to believe the date story. :)

  2. My mind has bookends? by Press2ToContinue · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know about Brin, but my e-masculinity is e-normous. Bookends help hold it all in.

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    1. Re:My mind has bookends? by deimtee · · Score: 5, Funny

      EOF

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  3. Doesn't it really all come down to by bobstreo · · Score: 5, Funny

    The size of your screen?

    1. Re:Doesn't it really all come down to by DerPflanz · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only people with small screens say that!

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    2. Re:Doesn't it really all come down to by drkim · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am so going to write an app for this. Overlaying naked bodies on top of the people you're actually talking to. Great!

      You: Oh Hi, Grandma, Grandpa...
      Grandma: Honey, you look kind of sick. Are you feeling all right?
      You: Let me just turn this off...

    3. Re:Doesn't it really all come down to by happy_place · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I would not be surprised if introverted personalities do precisely this sort of thing or something similar. Not just for sexual or even silly reasons, but because it creates a barrier to communication that at some level introverted personalities would prefer. Psychologically the ability to do this sort of thing could become very addictive. These devices form a buffer between the uncertainties of cold hard reality and ourselves.They enable (or at least give us the perception of such) us to be more clever than we really are.

      We already see this happening a lot with people that would rather text you than talk with you in person. There's a subliminal dislike to actual conversations, and the uncertainty that comes from an immediate action/reaction--that lack of control and the inability to formulate the perfect response, I suspect, is part of the reason why people do this. Texting and other forms of communication that require a time-lag or deny you of personal one-on-one exchanges, enable both parties the ability to be conveniently (and purposefully) ambiguous. iow, we feel smarter, more emboldened, and even more able to objectify one (which sounds bad, but at some level serves us because if people aren't objects the stakes are just too high) another with this sort of technology.

      Unfortunately, a technology that is supposed to assist us in communicating and seeing one another in greater clarity, will most likely have the opposite effect. It will enable those who wish it, to put on another costume atop all their other ones. . . but then social media is all one giant masquerade of smiling idyllic snapshots of who we all wish we could be.

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    4. Re:Doesn't it really all come down to by dintech · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Talking of buffers between reality, in Japan, there has recently been big uptick of teenagers wearing surgical masks at all times, not just when ill. Some comments explaining why include, "it's very tiresome to have to use my face to express my emotions." Here is the article in Japan Today

  4. What a bizarre statement by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a number of things you can say about a smartphone, but - emasculating? Seriously? Out of what orifice did he pull THAT?

    Is Brin worried that Glasses are going to be another Q?

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    1. Re:What a bizarre statement by c0lo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Emasculation

      Emasculation is the removal of the genitalia of a male, both the penis and the testicles. Removal of the testicles alone is castration.
      By extension, the word has also come to mean to render a male less of a man, or to make a male feel less of a man by humiliation.

      Women should be safe from the effect of smart phones

      (yes, I understand that the most metaphorical sense would imply weakening in a generalized sexless sense. However... think how well the following expression sounds to you: she felt emasculated by...)

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    2. Re:What a bizarre statement by Moridineas · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're being hysterical.

      For at least two thousand years of European history until the late nineteenth century hysteria referred to a medical condition thought to be particular to women and caused by disturbances of the uterus (from the Greek "hystera" = uterus)

      OR ARE YOU??

  5. Sergey Brin is the new Mike Lazaridis. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The two founders of RIM suffered from Founder's Syndrome and now it seems that it has spread to Google. Don't insult your potential customers deliberately. Mike Lazaridis and Jim Balsillie drove their company to ruin by ignoring the competition and insulting/ignoring potential customers.

    Sergey, you should leave the marketing to professionals in your organization. You can be the "vision" guy but don't trying to create the narrative for your company. You are not Steve Jobs.

    Steve Jobs was the founder of Apple and the CEO until recently but he had some qualities that are unfortunately uncommon among tech industry CEOs. He knew how to "think" like the common man and figure out what the common man wanted before he knew that he wanted it. He also had a sense of taste and an extreme attention to detail to help his company "polish" their products.

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    1. Re:Sergey Brin is the new Mike Lazaridis. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He knew how to "think" like the common man and figure out what the common man wanted before he knew that he wanted it.

      Jobs knew how to manipulate people into wanting what he had to sell them. He was an excellent salesman.

      He also had a sense of taste...

      I guess a bad sense is still a sense, so, ok.

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    2. Re:Sergey Brin is the new Mike Lazaridis. by Moridineas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jobs knew how to manipulate people into wanting what he had to sell them. He was an excellent salesman.

      He was an excellent salesman, certainly fallible, and with a well-earned reputation for his RDF. However, he did a damn good job of knowing what people did want!

      I guess a bad sense is still a sense, so, ok.

      So if you're saying Jobs had a bad sense of taste, yours--by comparison--is better? Why should we believe you? The corpus of Jobs' legacy is in front of us.

    3. Re:Sergey Brin is the new Mike Lazaridis. by Daetrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Look, i'm with you on the douchebag thing, but what the GP was pointing out was that Jobs did an amazing job (er, so to speak) of selling product. Love him or hate him, Jobs was good at marketing and trying to deny that won't fool anyone but yourself. Whether he did that by figuring out what the consumer wanted or by convincing the consumer they wanted what he had is outside the scope of this discussion.

      The thing is there are two ways of selling a product, convincing the market that what you have is better, or convincing the market that what your competitors have is worse. It's often easier to take the second path, because it's usually easier to knock something down than to build something up. However it's also a riskier path. Sometimes when you try to knock down the competitor instead of deciding to buy your product the market ends up thinking you're a bully or an asshole.

      And it can get really problematic if you're also selling a product that shares traits with the competitor's product that you're knocking. If your company sells cars and motorcycles, then _maybe_ you can get away with telling people "you should buy our motorcycles, because cars suck" if you can restrict your message to people you know are inclined to like motorcycles. But if the message starts leaking into channels populated by the people who usually buy cars it may not go over so well. Telling people they should buy your motorcycles because motorcycles are awesome, and your motorcycles are especially awesome is safer, but it requires more talent (and a better product) to make that message stick.

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    4. Re:Sergey Brin is the new Mike Lazaridis. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering there is no accounting for taste, the "corpus of his legacy" is not evidence of his good taste. Why should we believe anybody who says Jobs had good taste? Such a statement would inherently depend on the taste of the person making that statement.

    5. Re:Sergey Brin is the new Mike Lazaridis. by aristotle-dude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He knew how to "think" like the common man and figure out what the common man wanted before he knew that he wanted it.

      Jobs knew how to manipulate people into wanting what he had to sell them. He was an excellent salesman.

      Interesting but even an excellent salesman still needs something compelling to "sell". By using your logic, Apple should have failed a long time ago if what Jobs was selling was not compelling. If you look at the history of Apple since Jobs returned and retooled their product line, Apple has had mostly a series of hits on their hands. There have been a few stinkers like the iPod Boom box and iPod socks but mostly hits. Are you trying to tell all of us that all of those sales were the result of a "sales job" by Jobs? Really? If the products were so mediocre, why was everyone slavishly copying them in every category that was successful?

      He also had a sense of taste...

      I guess a bad sense is still a sense, so, ok.

      Ok, so you have evidence to back up this assertion? You can hate their products if you want but you will have a bit of trouble arguing with their string of successes.

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  6. Sergey is a wuss by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sergey just doesn't get it. My Android phone is a big swinging phallic symbol, especially when it does those 3D maps.... iPhone toting hipster chicks never fail to notice. Got plenty of mileage out of that, opposite sex wise. Sergey just doesn't know how to hold it.

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  7. Emasculating? by Warhawke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You keep on using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

    Seriously, does he legitimately expect that I'm going to suddenly ditch my phone and throw the contents of my wallet at him for a product that makes Navin's Opti-Grab look stylish simply because he's calling me and one-seventh of the human population -- including women -- castrated girly-men?

  8. This cartoon explains it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This "Joy of Tech" cartoon explains what will really happen with Google glasses:

    The Reality of Google Glasses

  9. Sergey, can't you go away now? by mbone · · Score: 3, Funny

    For me, he is well past his sell-by date. Can't he buy some remote island and cocoon there?

  10. Re:Regardless of what you think of smartphones... by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    these glasses are going nowhere. They look stupid so they are dead on arrival. Furthermore, they only appeal to the part of the population that already wears glasses.

    The hype over these nerd glasses couldn't more clearly illustrate how out of touch dorks are with regular people.

    There are several problems. If you want to talk about Glass as enabling face to face human interaction, you'll find most people won't want a camera shoved into their face. Secondly, most people will probably notice your eyes darting about so they know you're not paying attention to them, and once that happens, they'll never believe you're paying attention unless you take the damn things off.

    But I'm sure you'll find a lot of people "encouraged" to wear the glasses because they ARE a portable camera that basically records 24/7. While useful to catching crooks because basically the entire public space is under surveillance all the time, and anyone who stands out will probably have multiple cameras trained on them, they also have the downside of well, everything you do would be recorded. So if you visit any sort of morally questionable establishment, it'll be recorded.

    And of course, with Google Goggles, it'll all be tagged for easy searching.

  11. Re:External cognition by gnoshi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People were skilled in being fucking idiots long before smart phones.
    However, offloading some memory tasks isn't necessarily a bad thing if the alternative is spending active time trying to memorise these things (I'm mainly thinking of rote-memorising facts). That time may be better spent actually actively thinking.

    Then again, actually having memorised a range of information may be instrumental for novel ideas which draw on the variety.

  12. Re:Regardless of what you think of smartphones... by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Based on the fact that the primary (and really, ONLY) interface to Google glass is voice recognition, and given my experiences with voice recognition using the latest (or at lesast recent, Android 4.1) technology Google has for voice recognition, Google Glass is their Apple Newton.

    The tech, it just ain't ready yet. I carefully enunciate: "Send Text to Kathy (pause) I think the problem is Becky, who wants to cancel Robert's plan"

    A few beeps later...

    "Sending text to Becky, The problem is Becky who wants to cancel Robert's plan".

    Yeah, the example sorta sucks, but this pretty much happened to me when I decided to trust the text to speech for texting. It was almost a complete interpersonal disaster. It's good, but it's just not good enough. And given that text to speech has been "almost" good enough for at least 20 years, I'm not expecting it to improve any time soon until semantic understanding is part of the mix. (Watson: I'm looking at you....)

    In response I like to send random sounding texts to family members like "Happy birth tazer ahh" just to see the response, to which I can reply: "Stupid voice to text, happy birthday Sarah!"..

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  13. Re:Regardless of what you think of smartphones... by dbIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When Sol Trujillo was running Australia's Telstra (running it into the ground, but that's another story), he had his sales employees wear recording devices around their necks so that management could replay what the sales staff did each day. It was excused as being commonplace in the USA, and after hearing about how HP employees were bugged for all I know it may be true. I can see management with an almost slave owner attitude being attracted to such devices.

  14. Touching glass morning/night is Nothing new by hawguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Touching an inanimate object made of glass and plastic each morning and night is nothing new -- well before the days of smart phones (or even cell phones at all), I used to have a manual alarm clock that I'd have to set each night and turn off each morning. So this "strange intimacy" with our gadgets has been going on for 50 years or more.

    Since it was a 12 hour clock, it wasn't possible to reset the alarm when it went off at 7am in the morning or else it would go off again at 7pm, so one had to set it each night.

    Now my smartphone is my alarm, and it's better in that I don't have to set it at night, but it's still the first thing I touch in the morning since I have to stop the alarm.

  15. Only on my own terms by tftp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I might buy the Glass, but only if the device connects only to my computers and does only what I want. In effect, it would be a convenient HUD, not a service. Not a bit would go outside of my LAN.

    In most cases, though, I don't quite feel the need to have one on. Do I need to wear a monitor in front of me? Do I need to threaten everyone with recording of all their activities, public and semi-public? My life does not revolve around constant communication; there is specific time and place for that. The employer will probably also be not very happy that you can watch movies and read Slashdot all day long without anyone knowing it. The police will be joyful to learn that a Glass owner can see not just the road but also his email and chat - and there is no way to prove it one way or another.

  16. Re:Regardless of what you think of smartphones... by Vintermann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They do plan to sell it as prescription glasses.

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  17. Re:Speelchecking by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fun fact: when Google introduced Wave, they announced that it had superior contextual spell checking, and could (for example) correct "your" vs "you're". I tried plugging in that poem (on Docs) to see what would happen, and...

    ...it recommended changing "have" to "halve". And that was it.

    Wow.

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  18. "Depersonalize," not "emasculate." by wickerprints · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That Mr. Brin doesn't seem to understand the difference between the two words is not a good sign that he has carefully considered the point he wishes to make.

    Do mobile devices (not just smartphones) have the potential to make face-to-face interaction less likely or desirable? Sure. Where we once needed to actually be in immediate proximity to another individual in order to sustain a meaningful dialogue or communication with them, we now have the convenience of tweeting them or posting something on their (heaven forbid) Facebook wall. We can text them, even if they are halfway around the globe. Does this necessarily decrease the quality of interaction? The most honest answer I can furnish is that it depends.

    Throughout history, humans have been devising ways to make communication easier. We invented written languages, books, telegraphy, telephony, television, and the internet. We did all these things because we found it facilitated connection. Does it mean that when the telephone was invented, people started to lament that telephones were "emasculating" (sic) because they made it possible to talk to someone without being physically in the same room? That's an absurdly regressive, not to mention historically and technologically naive, view. It borders on sophistry.

    Let's be clear that over-reliance on smartphones and mobile connectivity, to the point of eschewing physical interaction, is a definite phenomenon. I don't want anyone to get the impression that I'm an apologist for all the spoiled teens whose interactions with their peers is primarily through virtual, rather than real, means--and rack up the bills to show for it. Or that I'm excusing full-grown adults who insist on checking their feeds every 5 minutes, who can't be bothered to put their phones down for a real-life conversation in the flesh. But it is painfully obvious that Mr. Brin has an agenda here, which is to sell his company's glasses as the solution to this problem. As such, whatever legitimate criticisms he has lacks credibility because of his bias.

    Moreover, there's another problem with Mr. Brin's accusations, and that is the unspoken assumption that these glasses *must* be an improvement. That is a claim that remains to be seen, because it isn't at all obvious. I, for one, would be very uneasy at the prospect of living in a society whose members are constantly recording each others' movements and activities. I suppose Mr. Brin (and Google) takes the attitude that we will simply become accustomed to this omnipresent surveillance, but I think that it is an entirely legitimate question to ask why we as a society SHOULD move in this direction in the first place. Thus far I have not seen any compelling rationale to do so.

    In summary, I am distrustful of anyone who advocates for a new technology as a solution to a problem that is largely symptomatic of cultural attitudes and a lack of etiquette. Don't want your mobile devices to turn your social life into a virtual experience? The answer is not to buy the next fancy gadget, be it some silly-looking headwear or something yet to be invented, but to simply make the conscious decision to be a better person by interacting in person. And similarly there is a point at which a society needs to collectively decide for itself that it is better to experience the world first-hand, rather than through a handheld electronic device. To the extent that such a device facilitates that goal, the more power to it. That is the reason for technology--to enrich our lives, not become what we live our lives through.

  19. Re:Regardless of what you think of smartphones... by jma05 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > you'll find most people won't want a camera shoved into their face

    This is worse than 1984. In Oceania, one at least knew where the cameras were and could at-least try to avoid them.

    > basically the entire public space is under surveillance all the time

    Reminds one of the scene in The Matrix, where Neo is identified when the avatar of a homeless guy just sees him. So long privacy. It was nice knowing you.

    Other thoughts...
    - Google will agree to not track or store (less likely) faces unless consented to... sort of like Google Maps blanking faces
    - Allow friends to follow you... literally, as you get detected by the crowd cams (why not? for some reason, people already let their online lives tracked by social media)
    - Subscribe to FBI's most wanted list, local missing people.

  20. Re:Regardless of what you think of smartphones... by lxs · · Score: 4, Funny

    The great thing about Google Glass wearers is that a combination of traffic and natural selection will limit their numbers.

  21. Re:The fist we touch ... by jadv · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's spelled "FRIST," as in "FRIST PSOT!" Learn to write properly before you come to post here. This is /., the land of the pedant spelling Nazis.