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$100 Million Student Database Worries Parents

asjk writes "The controversial database includes millions of children and documents their names, addresses, disabilities other statistics and demographics. Federal law allows for the files to be shared with private companies. From the article: 'In operation just three months, the database already holds files on millions of children identified by name, address and sometimes social security number. Learning disabilities are documented, test scores recorded, attendance noted. In some cases, the database tracks student hobbies, career goals, attitudes toward school - even homework completion. Local education officials retain legal control over their students' information. But federal law allows them to share files in their portion of the database with private companies selling educational products and services."

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  1. so....there really is a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    permanent record. I thought it was a bluff!

  2. xkcd already has the solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, for one, will be naming my future son Robert'); DROP TABLE Students;-- .

    1. Re:xkcd already has the solution by sacrilicious · · Score: 3, Funny

      Little Bobby Tables, we'll call him.

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  3. That's nothing . . . by jvarsoke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apparently none of these parents have heard of Facebook.

    1. Re:That's nothing . . . by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently none of these parents have heard of Facebook.

      Except that users have some measure of control over what is on their Facebook page and participation is with their consent. Neither appear to be the case with this database.

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  4. Re:Strongly Disagree by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whatever the situation is, it sure seems like a huge moral hazard for local school administrators. They have an ethical obligation to protect children's data, but they have a self-interest in successful careers, which can be judged by how much money they bring into the district.

    My guess is that money and status trumps children's privacy, even among the people you'd presume "think of the children."

  5. Re:No matter what it costs to build... by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed, putting PHI (which is what disabilities should be classified as) into a database open to corporate fishing is just asking for problems. It's not like this data is going to ever go away, so it's likely these children will have their disability brought up during an interview 20 years from now (or not, they'll likely just be dropped into the round file as not worth interviewing). I can't believe that the US doesn't have some type of data privacy law beyond HIPAA, I wonder what type of incident it will take before people will wake up and demand that this kind of idiocy is shut down?

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  6. Uhm, yea. by RevDisk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unless they have an insanely awesome security team and very rigorous employee screening, this will not end well.

    The smarter way to handle it would be to replace personal information with UIDs. School districts alone can map UIDs to actual students. It'd be relatively trivial to implement, on either side. Sure, if someone crouched the numbers hard enough, they might be able to use analysis to collate the data to individuals. But that'd be enough to keep random stalkers, pedos, abusive parent with a restraining order against them, etc at bay.

    If I was the non-profit running the DB, I'd be strongly pushing for something like that to absolve me of the liability and risk. Less persistent threats if the data is only useful to the student, school and statistics folks. The data, especially anonymized, would be VERY useful for curriculum research and development.

  7. US needs privacy laws by bradley13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What kind of country allows this kind of information to be tracked "en masse", much less sells it to private companies? It reminds me of the credit-rating agencies:P private companies that somehow are magically authorized to suck up all of your financial information and sell it. At least the US finally added the ability for you to "freeze" your credit data. That's the wrong way around - they ought to have to actively ask for permission, but it's better than nothing.

      Now your kids need to be able to "freeze" their school data. Worse, the US is continually trying to force its lack of privacy on the rest of the world, most recently with FATCA.

    It's a crying shame that the US Constitution forgot to list privacy as a basic right to be guaranteed by the government, right next to life and liberty. Failing that, you guys really need to get some privacy laws on the books!

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  8. Re:Local officials will sell everybody out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Federal law allows for the files to be shared with private companies

    Federal law - read as Congress person was bri...lobbied into making it legal for big corps to mine children's data.

    The people you should be pissed at are in DC. Punish them by voting them out of office.

  9. Road to Hell Paving Material by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd suggest we look back on the track record of such databases.

    I won't go and track down the links (There's a link somewhere to the famous HBR "Database of Ruin" article, and that has a number of good links).

    However, when you have potential for profit and money, you have almost certain abuses.

    When you have people (humans), administering these types of databases, you have certain (100%) abuses. There are a number of documented cases of cops abusing DMV and arrest report DBs for purposes of harassment, stalking and revenge.

    There are "grey" private detectives that are called "skip tracers." If you want to find out more, check out this book, called "How to Disappear."

    This database WILL be misused. It may come back to haunt folks in thirty years.

    I was able to rack up a pretty significant juvenile record, way back in the "paper era." I'm real glad that was never tracked, although I'll bet it would bubble to the surface if I ever wanted to work for the NSA.

  10. Scary by Murdoch5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    attitudes toward school - even homework completion

    I'm confused on what this point has to do with the student. I never liked school growing up, I didn't like my teachers and I didn't like doing homework, yet I just graduated with my SECOND engineering degree. I'm pointing this out because what is going to happen from this database is private company's will see that Billy doesn't like going to school and assume incorrectly that Billy wont be a good employee when he grows up.

    This database is effectively a big profiling system that is designed to trap kids who don't feel that achieving is the most important thing in the world. How a kid feels about school really doesn't place any bearing on how they do in life overall, a kid that hates school can become an engineer well kids that love school end up drug addicts ( The "school lovers" I knew ). This database will not help kids in the long run, it will be used as a tool to track, record and hinder kids into adult hood, all because this database will track what Billy thinks of school and his teachers.

  11. Scary outcome by Grayhand · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's no longer such a thing as a childhood. Anything you do or say practically from birth will be recorded and used against you. Have a bad year in grade school and some one will bring it up in your thirties when you apply for a job. A childhood prank and suddenly you are seen as a risky hire. It's already happening with social media as others are pointing out but imagine your whole school record available to employers and credit agencies? Even your criminal record is sealed when you turn 18 for a reason. One childhood mistake shouldn't ruin a life but they seem to have found a way. Perfect people will succeed, the rich as well since money can hide many sins, but the rest of us need to start worrying.

  12. Re:Strongly Disagree by grantspassalan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any time a person needs permission from the government for any activity, including homeschooling, and such permission is denied for whatever reason, it becomes effectively illegal to do that particular activity, including homeschooling. In Sweden and in other countries, permission is required from a government official. If this permission is denied, there is no appeal in many places. You can look at the article here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeschooling_international_status_and_statistics

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  13. How is this FERPA-compliant? by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On its face, the proposal to share student data with private companies seems to clearly violate FERPA, the federal law covering privacy of educational data. According to the article linked, the schools are claiming that it's OK, because when FERPA says it's OK for student data to be accessed by "School officials with legitimate educational interest", that really also means third-party contractors working for the schools. Apparently, the Department of Education has signed off on this. WTF? How can this possibly fit the legislative intent? It says "school officials", not "school vendors" or "school contractors". And there's a reason for that: actual school officials are subject to some level of public control and accountability, while private contractors are not.

    This plan should be challenged in court as a violation of federal law.

  14. Re:Strongly Disagree by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I disagree, you entire notion is just loony talk.

    Would you say driving is illegal? You need permission to do that and sometimes it is denied.

    Homeschooling is often done because people want to keep their children uneducated. That should be prevented, it is simply child abuse.

  15. Re:Strongly Disagree by worf_mo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I had mod points you'd get one. Some parents prefer their children at work instead of at school. They want the quick buck now, and don't put much thought into their kids' future. Obligatory school attendance can help cut down on child labor.