The Data That Drove Yahoo's Telecommuting Ban

Stiletto writes "Business Insider and All Things D are reporting that Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer's decision to ban telecommuting was data-driven, as you'd expect out of the former Google exec. After spending months frustrated at how empty Yahoo parking lots were, Mayer consulted Yahoo's VPN logs to see if remote employees were checking in enough. Despite all the outrage and flak she's getting from those outside the company for the move, some ex-employees are praising the decision, citing abuse, slacking off, and general 'unavailability' of folks working from home."

Comments

I can slack off anywhere

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm in the office right now, slacking off, and have been all day. As far as any "Data Driven" metrics are concerned though, I've been a star employee.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Anonymous Coward]

Conversely, I'm working from home today, and between webmail and a slow / flaky VPN I'm not attached to the work network except when I need to exchange some documents.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[JWW]

Exactly. Butts in seats is sooooo much easier to measure than productivity. Measuring productivity requires actual work by the managers!!

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[h4rr4r]

If you make managers do useful work how will they slack off?

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Anonymous Coward]

Give them slashdot accounts?

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Xest]

Yes, basically what TFA tells us is not that working from home was ever a problem at Yahoo, but that Yahoo has never ever had any way of measuring productivity, settings goals, or ensuring people are achieving their targets.

It sounds like it was basically a free for all, turn up, don't turn up, do what you want, no one will care or measure you!

It sounds like working from home is their scapegoat instead of refusing to admit to extremely incompetent management.

Yahoo has been haemorrhaging talent for years, removing perks from them like working from home is only going to make the problem worse, especially if they're still refusing to admit to fundamental problems in their company like the aforementioned lack of ability to set goals or check whether anyone is actually doing anything.

Now all that's going to happen is they'll lose more talent, productivity will probably go down as people are tired from long probably sometimes unnecessary commutes, costs will go up as they have to pay for more heating/lighting/office space and Yahoo will continue it's downward spiral

I actually had some sympathy for the move before I saw this story, now it's obvious the decision had no demonstrable merit. More fool them.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[fermion]

I can slack off anywhere, but at home I can do housework, cook dinner, run an errand, sex, lots of stuff. The idea is not that you can't do some of these things at the office,but that your choices are more limited.

It really sounds like the employees, as some often do, simply took advantage of a good situation. I have, and have known people, who have had such opportunities. You keep yourself logged in. You stay next to a phone. If you leave, you make sure you can check problems from where you are. You check email frequently. It is a matter of discipline. it is hard. It is why some people make more than others. Those who don't need supervision do not incur the expense of supervision.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Xest]

If you have to connect to VPN say three times a day because it was flaky does that mean you triple turned up for work and are super-productive using the Mayer productivity measurement methodology?

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Austerity Empowers]

I only connect to VPN if I need to see a VNC session. I do all my coding/verilog work locally and ignore VPN (and use our webmail to see what's going on).

She just wants to fire people, the data is a pretense.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Hal_Porter]

Stop posting on Slashdot, Kevin.

If you're not in my office by 6am tomorrow in smart casual dress for a pop quiz on "Watercooler Culture" you're fired.

Smart casual means ironed chinos and a dress shirt by the way, not filthy jeans and a filthier Tux T shirt with pin burns in it. Which reminds me, they'll be a drugs test afterwards.

Also a visit to the hairdresser might be in the best interests of your career, if you know what I mean.

Enjoy your evening!

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[s.petry]

I agree that the root problem is management, but refuse to discount that remote work is also a problem at some companies. I work, and have worked at places where remote work usually meant slacking for the day. At other places, some people that work remote were useless and unproductive members of the team.

If everyone is at the office, peer pressure can help stir the shit off of the bottom. When people work where management is not good, the shit at the bottom does bring everyone else down, and even the best workers begin to smell bad and lose their motivation. When management fails to maintain motivation, peer pressure at least keeps the people with some motivation from giving up and becoming slackers. Remote access drastically reduces the impact of peer pressure on coworkers.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[CannonballHead]

No, but when you *never* connect to the VPN all day, that says something, doesn't it?

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Penguinisto]

That's the problem using any metric, really...

If I wanted to slack off and pretend to work (like the rest of the team would ever let that happen!), I'd simply fire up the VPN, then have some small program randomly open and close certain binaries on the remote servers, etc.

At work? Meh - I could slack off very easily by simply walking around a lot carrying papers, chatting with friends, or whatever. Far too many ways to slack off in a cube farm.

Problem is, when I was telecommuting? I was too busy on the phone in conferences w/ remote company clients, had deadlines to meet, and in IM sessions with other team members helping them out (and getting help). Because I worked on the servers, I had VPN open from 8am to 6pm on most days... working. Now, I show up at 8, then leave at 5.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[DrXym]

Whatever drugs you're getting are clearly not the right ones.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Xest]

Yes, that you're busy working on something that doesn't need connection to Yahoo's central systems probably.

That or Yahoo's hiring process is so flawed they ended up employing society's layabouts and nothing else.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Penguinisto]

It's still an imperfect metric.

I can make a script to randomly send data to and from servers, then delete the data once it arrives at the destination. If I uploaded, oh, a geolocation IP file to random servers, that's 250MB each go. If you're just measuring MB/GB, I could be a top performer in less than a week by stint of a simple script. ;)

In order to reliably measure employee productivity remotely, you have to do one of two things:

1) install a keylogger and mouse tracker on every employee's remote laptop, some BI bits to the VPN connections and mail servers, then have teams combing through the resulting data. Be prepared to add FTE slots, disk space, a server or so, and a lot of budget for this.

2) allow only the people who are known to perform well in the office to telecommute, and insure they work on deadline-driven projects with measurable goals and milestones. As an alternative, insure that they have definitive SLA's to meet if their job is problem/solution-driven as opposed to project-driven. Also insure that they come in to work on a periodic basis, distance permitting. Be certain you have competent managers in place to insure, refine, and tweak as needed.

Obviously one of these is easier to do, save for that last bit. ;)

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[skovnymfe]

Can't do that. They might start reading Slashdot and finding out just how unnecessary they are, which might prompt them to do something stupid, or worse, their job. And then how would we get to slack off?

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Penguinisto]

Sort of... but you can always force the non-performers to come in daily, while the top performers are allowed to work remotely as a benefit/perk.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Jaysyn]

Yes, that you're busy working on something that doesn't need connection to Yahoo's central systems probably.

That or Yahoo's hiring process is so flawed they ended up employing society's layabouts and nothing else.

That.... that would explain a lot actually.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[micheas]

Which is probably phase 2 at yahoo.

But, getting there might well mean everyone comes into the office and then you hand out the perk.

I would expect telecommuting to return to yahoo, after the current problems are dealt with.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Applekid]

That's the problem using any metric, really...

If I wanted to slack off and pretend to work (like the rest of the team would ever let that happen!), I'd simply fire up the VPN, then have some small program randomly open and close certain binaries on the remote servers, etc.

At work? Meh - I could slack off very easily by simply walking around a lot carrying papers, chatting with friends, or whatever. Far too many ways to slack off in a cube farm.

Problem is, when I was telecommuting? I was too busy on the phone in conferences w/ remote company clients, had deadlines to meet, and in IM sessions with other team members helping them out (and getting help). Because I worked on the servers, I had VPN open from 8am to 6pm on most days... working. Now, I show up at 8, then leave at 5.

The metrics don't have to be so obtuse. Your employees are assigned to projects and they're held accountable on being able to deliver, and having managers on the ball enough to recognize that 25 day estimate for modifying text on a dialog box is bullshit, and a 5 day estimate to make web systems be able to print blueberry waffles at users homes is impossible.

VPN logins, butts in seats, donuts missing from the lounge are numbers that don't really matter.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[RabidReindeer]

Why does being at home guarentee productivity? From the comments, a lot of people appear to believe being in the office is less productive than being at home, but at least with a VPN, it can be measured how much data is being sent to and recieved from the telecomuters. I doubt a former Google exec would make a decision like this lightly.

Data transfer volume is of practically ZERO utility in measuring productivity. As a developer, doing as much of my work as possible on my local drive is more productive than having it dragged down by network latency. Ditto, I'd say for anyone doing artistic or word-processing work.

All Data transfer volume metrics tell is how much activity I have on the net. It's no more useful than measuring the amount of time a cubicle is inhabited by a person as opposed to an inflatable Bozo doll.

I don't buy into the proposition that people can only trade ideas when they're physically proximate. I spent too many years hiding from other people in offices.

The only REAL metric of value is what the employee produces. If the employee is going to be productive, then location is relatively unimportant. If not, there are plenty of ways to appear productive in an office without doing anything useful at all. Some of them can consume massive amounts of network bandwidth, for that matter.

If the employee is not productive, either the employee is at fault or the employee's manager is at fault. In fact, ultimately, it's the manager's responsibility to either ensure that the employee is productive or to replace him/her with someone who is productive. No amount of geographical relocation, micro-monitoring, spyware, or other "silver bullets" can take the place of good management.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[sjames]

Exactly! Where were the managers when people stopped bothering to log in at all? Where were the weekly or even bi-weekly phone check-ins, or even the occasional email? (Hows the project going, are you as far along as you expected/hoped? What are the sticking points, what can I do to move things along,etc). For that matter, were these people even given objectives to accomplish? An active and engaged manager could not possibly fail to notice that many employees simply not bothering to at least log in once in a while.

I would go so far as to say that if management was slacking off that much, the employees might not have had much choice. If you aren't given an objective to accomplish and nobody even notices if you do something or not, what can you do? Eventually, logging in starts to feel stupid since nothing happens when you do. Eventually, you don't log in for a week or two and nobody calls to see if you're still breathing or not. So, what to do? Surely not go over the boss' head and suggest a layoff!

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[makomk]

Supposedly they also had an SSH gateway that employees could use instead of VPN.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[gorzek]

W. Edwards Deming said it best: "You get what you measure." He didn't quite mean it in this context, but if employees know what metrics are being tracked to determine their performance, they will, of course, adjust their working behavior to pump up said metrics. The key is developing those metrics that will actually ensure work is getting done, which is never a simple matter of tracking data over a network, or a number of logins to a VPN.

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[93 Escort Wagon]

That or Yahoo's hiring process is so flawed they ended up employing society's layabouts and nothing else.

Having a liberal telecommute policy is the first step to attracting those people. If your hiring process and your evaluation process aren't good at identifying those employees, you'll become a haven for them and people who use the policy legitimately will begin to resent having to do all the work while others abuse the system.

But that really means the problem is with management, not with the policy. And if management is the problem, it almost certainly manifests itself in other ways in the organization.

Like, for example, the CEO thinking it's appropriate to build a nursery for her own child in her office. Is she really going to be devoting her time to the company when her kid is there, crying - even if the nanny is there? Wouldn't it be better to offer a separate nursery to all the employees, and staff it with caring people who will care for the kids?

Re:I can slack off anywhere

[Austerity Empowers]

The metrics don't have to be so obtuse. Your employees are assigned to projects and they're held accountable on being able to deliver, and having managers on the ball enough to recognize that 25 day estimate for modifying text on a dialog box is bullshit, and a 5 day estimate to make web systems be able to print blueberry waffles at users homes is impossible.

This. And while it annoys us ICs when managers lead inquisitions into why we're not delivering as unreasonably expected, this is really what they're trying to understand and what a good manager knows how to parse and report up.

I may deliver something way ahead of schedule and be a ridiculous loser, or I may deliver something 6 months late and be a superhero. My bosses job is to a) understand what I do enough to know when i'm padding (and why, and if maybe the padding is a good idea for the company) and b) understanding what i'm doing on a weekly basis enough to know how busy I am. It really does not matter if I am physically there, rarely do I even SEE my boss and as a hw guy I'm almost always physically at work. But he always knows what I'm doing (and I have had exceptionally good managers).

This thing where hte CEO pulls VPN logs implies she doens't trust her management chain, and thinks her employees are slacking off. Or she's decided she's got to knife 10% of her workforce cheaply, so she's starting with low hanging fruit.

best data:

[Anonymous Coward]

is work being done? if timelines are met, and dates don't slip, then the number of times i log into a vpn isn't a valid metric.

period.

Re:best data:

[PoolOfThought]

If management is under utilizing you as a resource then it's important for them to know that especially in a company that is trying to turn things and around and get better at what they do without spending more money to make it happen. Many employees won't want to just pass that information along and be given more work. Under utilization of existing resources is something that can be reasonably extracted using that particular metric (time spent logged in). I also understand (and so does Mayer I'm sure) that it could also mean a lot of other things, but the easiest way to be sure about it is to remove the other variables. Especially when the other complaints (perhaps jealous outbursts, but perhaps not) existed.

good idea

[SoupGuru]

I can see telecommuting being ok when you've got an established company and clear objectives/projects, etc. When you're reorganizing, just starting, or trying to turn the fortunes of your company around I think you really have to work "together".

Re:good idea

[h4rr4r]

That had nothing to do with being in the office or not.

I bet most of the posters right now are in the office. People will slack off no matter what. Either you get your job done or you do not, how long it takes in the allotted time frame or what you do while doing it should not matter.

Re:good idea

[h4rr4r]

I have several. Thanks for trying though.

I know each of them very well and they know me. If they get their jobs done by the deadline they can be jerking it at their desks for all I care.

I never said they were cogs, just that I expect them to get their work done in a timely fashion and if they can do that in two hours and spend the rest of the day on slashdot that is my fault not theirs. Even more likely it means everything is going well and their jobs are not the sort were hours are that predictable.

Re:good idea

[jedidiah]

They either get the job done or they don't.

Fixating on anything else is just an excuse for micromanagement and petty megalomania.

Prevent flexibility instead of fixing root cause

[Anonymous Coward]

Inability to lead is what causes people to slack off. Employees will slack off same as when they were telecommuting. It would be much brighter to fix the root cause of the problem: lack of motivation. For that, it would take a different CEO. For now, Yahoo will big digging itself into the ground.

Not surprising

[dreold]

I am glad that the background for the decision is coming to light after all the vitriol.

Having managed a (partially) telecommuting workforce before, nothing is more frustrating than not being able to reach people or get answers in a timely manner.

It really depends on the combination of management, tasks, and individuals to make telecommuting work.

In my personal case, admittedly, we had insufficient procedure for measuring progress to ensure equal productivity through telecommuting, and people were quick to take advantage of that (yes, I am admitting management failure here) This was not in an IT-related field but a more traditional business field.

Re:Not surprising

[h4rr4r]

Having managed in office employees, how is that any different?

If people do not answer their cell phones or email, fire them. No different than them being unfindable in the office or not aswering desk phones.

Re:Motivation

[HornWumpus]

For many roles hours in office/on VPN is a completely worthless metric.

It is not a worthless metric for all roles. Phone/Net tech support for example. If they are not logged in, they are not working. Even there it's an easily gamed metric.

Remote work creates new challenges. Perhaps Yahoos management hasn't been up to it.

how dumb can people be?

[alen]

if you're going to slack off, log on to VPN and slack off.
i work with people who work from home and offices in different states. everyone is always available and you know they are working because there are always emails flowing and tickets being done

Re:how dumb can people be?

[hcs_$reboot]

It works at your company because the management is (probably) competent, and knows how to motivate people to work. Management was not Yahoo's strongest quality

Done by the numbers?

[drinkypoo]

If they did it by the numbers, and they had all this data, couldn't they see which telecommuters were effective, and shitcan all the other ones or force them into the office?

Re:Done by the numbers?

[joebok]

I suspect it's a simple case of psychology on that - come down hard at first, then ease up. It has the potential to rattle loose the weak links and have Yahoo emerge a leaner, stronger company because of it. The people that stay will be more or less self-selected, will feel a bond of having endured a common hardship - and I think that can translate into the kind of trust needed to bring back flexible working policies. The more I've thought about it, the more I think this move will, in the long run, turn out well for Yahoo.

Re:Done by the numbers?

[Ryanrule]

It shall be leaner of talent than it will of slackers.

Forgotten employees?

[gblackwo]

"A lot of people hid. There were all these employees [working remotely] and nobody knew they were still at Yahoo."

It's amazing that a company can have people on the payroll, and the managers forget about them..

Re:Forgotten employees?

[Intrepid imaginaut]

Once nobody tries to take their red stapler all should be well.

Data merely shows incompetence of managers

[Anonymous Coward]

People can lack interest or motivation and slack off from work wherever they happen to be, at home or in the office.

All this data seems to show is that managers are poor at managing people who are not physically in the office. That I can well believe, but a more insightful solution than banning remote work is to improve managers and the management systems that they employ.

There is a huge amount of time wasted in the social atmosphere of the office, so remote working doesn't have a monopoly on time wasting. But of course poor managers will never blame themselves.

Re:Motivation

[jedidiah]

I wonder if the metric they were using would completely miss people that are constantly logged onto the VPN. What log were they looking at exactly? If I am logged in for more than 30 days at a time, would they think I never did any work?

Seems like a flawed and rather lazy approach to actually checking up on the actual work output of your employees.

Re:Motivation

[daem0n1x]

Every time I hear people complaint about lazy employees, I blame their managers. I mean, what are managers for? I don't expect them to micromanage what everyone is doing all the time, but their role is to receive the work, distribute it and check that it's delivered on time and quality.

If there are slackers, I can't believe their managers don't know about it. Unless they're also slackers, or don't give a shit. But then the company has far worse problems to attend than telecommuting.

have to disagree

[Chirs]

I've worked in teams where it was very important to get groups of people together somewhere and draw stuff on whiteboards with everyone else poking holes in the ideas or making suggestions for improvements. This is especially true when a project is just getting started and you're working out lots of details. Later on when something is mature you have a lot less scope for innovation (you're constrained by what is already there) so it's not as critical.

Yes, you can do this to some extent with technology, but it's not as good as getting a bunch of people together physically.

That said, I've been a full-time teleworker for 7 years. It works for me because I have a well-defined area of responsibility, I worked in person with almost everyone I deal with prior to moving away, and I can communicate effectively by voice/text (not everyone can do this effectively when not physically present).

Re:have to disagree

[DerekLyons]

Yes, you can do this to some extent with technology, but it's not as good as getting a bunch of people together physically.

Unless the team was deeply dysfunctional to start with - I have yet to see an environment where getting people together in one room to interact wasn't vastly more productive than trying to do so virtually. Though the slashdot demographic is virulently misanthropic, they're off on the left hand tail of the bell curve in that respect.
 

That said, I've been a full-time teleworker for 7 years. It works for me because I have a well-defined area of responsibility, I worked in person with almost everyone I deal with prior to moving away, and I can communicate effectively by voice/text (not everyone can do this effectively when not physically present).

I had a friend who successfully telecommuted for about five years... and then things started going to hell. The main cause was normal turnover at the office, slowly but surely he was no longer dealing with the people he'd dealt with before moving to another coast... but with complete strangers to who he was just a voice on the telephone. They didn't really think of him as fellow employee, just a cipher who coughed up blobs of code on demand. He's working in an office now, and actually much happier than he was telecommuting.

Re:Motivation

[Keruo]

It is not a worthless metric for all roles. Phone/Net tech support for example. If they are not logged in, they are not working. Even there it's an easily gamed metric.

Perhaps Mayer checked those users who need corporate network to do their job then?
To me, this sounds like military-style management.
You are supposed to work as a team. If one of you goofs around instead doing their task, everyone suffers.
It's classic team-bonding strategy, and I don't see anything wrong with the approach.
She can prove wrongdoings happened but instead pointing fingers everyone gets punished. Now the group can work out itself who deserves to get soap-sock treatment.

VPN logs as a measurement of productivity?

[HerculesMO]

No, I don't think so. Since Yahoo has "webmail", just like every other modern company, you can converse with coworkers and team members without ever needing VPN. You can write your code offline, and merge commits later, or even have a local SVN and push it upstream later.

The sad fact is that while the CEO is supposed to be creating strategy for the company to achieve, she's not done that. She's going after people who have a flexible schedule. Does this fix the fact that Yahoo has no future roadmap for well.... anything? No. It just makes good engineers who have kids start looking elsewhere, lazy employees move the geography of where they slack. It doesn't fix management of those employees, it doesn't change the way productivity is measured, and it doesn't set them any goals to achieve.

In the time Mayer has been CEO, Yahoo has announced a total of zero noteworthy items. The fact that this is the biggest news out of Yahoo is more telling to their poor business model than anything else, and shows that Mayer was better suited to being an engineer than a CEO responsible for driving the business of a technology firm.

Some employees...

[Ryanrule]

"Despite all the outrage and flak she's getting from those outside the company for the move, some ex-employees are praising the decision, citing abuse, slacking off, and general 'unavailability' of folks working from home.'

Yeah, and that is an issue with MANAGEMENT, not the underlings. If my boss doesnt know what I am doing, that I am on task, it is THEIR failure, not mine.

Not a good metric

[Bogtha]

Part of the benefit to working from home is the lack of interruptions and the ability to just get your head down and do your work. If you're complaining that they "aren't checking in enough" or "unavailable", you're basically complaining that they are using working from home as effectively as they can.

Now if you have a real productivity metric that shows they are less productive, then fair enough. But half of the reason working from home is a benefit is to get away from pointless unwork interruptions like that. Demanding that they check in with their managers is basically saying "we don't believe you are working, stop everything you are doing every so often to reassure us that you are working", and I'm not surprised that this renders these people less productive.

Oh goodie, metrics

[Tridus]

At my work, the people who do support got a new management structure. Their management is big on metrics. Sadly, their metric is "how many tickets did you close."

Unsurprisingly, service levels have gone to total shit. The people who actually solve hard problems take more time than the ones who bounce tickets to other people and only handle easy ones, and thus don't look good to the morons in charge. What used to take minutes now takes hours, but apparently it's "more efficient."

I see a lot of the same type of faulty reasoning here. Slacking off happens at work all the time, and people "being unavailable" is just code for "I can't walk over and talk about my dog for 45 minutes". I doubt their previous VPN logs really say a lot that's useful, but if there were actual abusers they should have been dealt with. Blanket bans don't tend to work.

It's particularly weird in Yahoo's case since it's already not exactly a place that top tier talent wants to go, and this isn't going to help them recruit.

It's a Mgmt Issue

[tungstencoil]

I've worked at places that are heavily remote and heavily not. I've seen it done successfully and not.

One place, when I was on team A 100% on-site, I interacted with my manager very minimally. We had little direction, lots of bureaucracy, and a slow pace of accomplishing anything. I moved to another team B, 100% remote, interacted with my manager a lot, we had lots of planning, direction, and follow-up, and got stuff DONE.

I've seen it time and again: the overwhelming majority of people need leadership. What kind of leadership is specific to the individual; good mgmt can tailor their style to individual needs. Rare - much rarer than most people think - is someone who needs no leadership.

What happens is that remote teams can exacerbate management failings. People slack off; some people work in chunks (as I do - I will goof off for a couple of hours and then pound out a day's work), some people work slow and steady. If you're results-oriented, you can measure this. If you manage people correctly, it can be done remote, on-site, or blended.

Managing remote teams requires a different set of skills. Most places make the mistake of assuming a remote worker is just like an on-site worker, to be treated the same. They're not. It's not better or worse, just different.

Re:Motivation

[Anonymous Coward]

"Inside of a year night maintenance employees were sleeping under the bridges all day,"

And thus, the troll was born.

As a once-telecommuter...

[emagery]

I lament this decision, but understand it. I telecommuted from Maine to D.C. I did it very well. I was reliable. I even got more work done there where I had control over my environment and time than I do where where I don't. That said, I was alone in this. The other 3 or 4 people doing the same thing were notoriously unreliable. So I understand the decision to end the practice even if it really made my life worse. My argument would be, then... address WHY people can't stick to the job at home... rather than end the practice. In a world with dwindling resources, severe jumps in carbon emissions (not small portion of which is transportation and heating/cooling related), all of a person's lifespan utterly wasted (and in some respected, endangered by) sitting in traffic, etc. Rise above, Mayer... don't put down.

Yet again, TFA trumps Slashdot speculation

[GodfatherofSoul]

Likewise, we're hearing from people close to Yahoo executives and employees that she made the right decision banning work from home.

"The employees at Yahoo are thrilled," says one source close to the company.

"There isn't massive uprising. The truth is, they've all been pissed off that people haven't been working."

If it works for the employees, then our opinions here don't mean much in the debate.