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Is Daylight Saving Time Worth Saving?

Daniel_Stuckey writes "In politics, health, and academia, there are plenty of detractors that say daylight saving might not be worth saving. One vocal opponent is Missouri State Representative Delus Johnson, who wants to end the watch and clock switchery altogether. In short, he says we should spring forward this one last time, without ever falling back. He wants Missouri – and other states willing to join a pact – to permanently adopt daylight saving time and call it Standard Time. He's sure that it'll increase economic development in the later part of the year; giving people a little more daylight to do their Black Friday shopping. Matthew J. Kotchen and Laura E. Grant at the National Bureau of Economic Research have argued that DST has had adverse effects on energy spending. They calculate some extra $10-16 million spent by Indiana due to time changes. Their research concluded it's probably a much bigger loss in other states. A year ago, Motherboard's Kelly Bourdet reported on a health study that concluded DST might actually kill you. Chances of heart-attack were stated to increase by 10 percent on the days following the spring change, and to decrease by 10% after gaining the hour in the fall." There's even a We The People petition about it.

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  1. Morning sunlight is a waste by jimbolauski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is it so important to have sunlight in the morning, give me evening sunlight that I can enjoy after work. I don't need sunlight for my morning deuce.

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    1. Re:Morning sunlight is a waste by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Informative

      If we do away with daylight savings, we should shift all the time zones about 7 or 8 degrees farther west longitude. The sun sets too early in the eastern half (near the 'leading edge') of each time zone.

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    2. Re: Morning sunlight is a waste by Vanderhoth · · Score: 5, Informative

      How about because companies decide what core hours are, which tend to be relative to whether DST is in affect or not. I Know very few people that decide What hours they'll work when working forsomeone else.

    3. Re:Morning sunlight is a waste by arobatino · · Score: 5, Informative

      I remember walking to the school bus stop in the dark when Nixon implemented year-round daylight savings time as a result of the oil embargo. It was just starting to get light by the time the bus arrived. From 1973 oil crisis :

      Year-round daylight saving time was implemented from January 6, 1974, to February 23, 1975. The move spawned significant criticism because it forced many children to commute to school before sunrise. The pre-existing daylight saving rules, calling for the clocks to be advanced one hour on the last Sunday in April, were restored in 1976.

    4. Re:Morning sunlight is a waste by xclr8r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      just move it 30 mins and be done with it.

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    5. Re:Morning sunlight is a waste by mill3d · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Wouldn't that just push the problem further by a few degrees?

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    6. Re:Morning sunlight is a waste by Art+Challenor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In many northern lattitudes, this is the norm, daylight savings or not.

    7. Re:Morning sunlight is a waste by wavedeform · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Children walk to school early in the morning..

      Ahh the "think of the children" argument. I live in a relatively safe bedroom community near a major city. There's a grade school around the corner from me. I can say with some certitude that kids don't walk to school these days.

    8. Re: Morning sunlight is a waste by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 5, Funny

      But Who decides which words Are capitalized?

    9. Re:Morning sunlight is a waste by SternisheFan · · Score: 5, Insightful
      And "falling back" in autumn usually happened just before Halloween. Lots of kids walking the roads in the dark were getting hit by cars due to this, especially in the beginning.

      Get rid of DST, it was meant as an energy saving idea during the energy crisis of the 1970's, and never really accomplished its intended goal.

    10. Re: Morning sunlight is a waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Capitalists, obviously.

    11. Re:Morning sunlight is a waste by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Children walk to school early in the morning. The brighter outside it is, the better parents feel

      Fuck how parents feel. The kids don't really care.

      And I don't give a damn about the candy industry or the amount of light on Halloween, either. We, as a society, need to move beyond pandering to the whims of these "helicopter" parents turning their "precious and unique snowflakes" into a generation of helpless losers unable to grasp the idea of "don't stand in the road" and "don't get into the van" and "don't believe Mr. Timmons when he says he has a roll of dimes in his pocket for you".

      And if you take this as humor, I feel sorry for you, you've already gone too far over to "their" side.

  2. Re:NO. by mattventura · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lots of things are a pain in the ass. US measurement system, silly date notation systems, IPv4, the two party system, etc. Unfortunately none of those are going anywhere anytime soon.

  3. Re:NO. by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    UTC with NTP... that's the way to go. Goodbye local time forever!

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  4. Re:NO. by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Indeed, but there's literally about zero effort to just not fall back. This is low hanging fruit on the pain-in-the-ass fruit tree.

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  5. Re:Kill it by geekoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I will miss it, as well many people in the north.
    Some things you should probably consider:
    1) No one is trying to trick mother natures, if you think it's about that, then you are fucking stupid and STFU
    2) There is no indicator that, overall, money is wasted
    3) "In a modern world where clocks are set by the atom "
    This underscores how ignorant you small minded you are. It has nothing to dodo the the accuracy of a clock.

    More daylight in the evening is beneficial and enjoyable.

    Yo do know we live on a globe, right? and that northern states are impacted more by the shifting about of daylight? And there aren't a lot of places that get an exact amount of day and night every year? and that not everyone gets to pick there work hours? and people do more outside in the evening then in the morning? People use more electricity for lighting in the evening then they do in the morning?

    Most people get up just in times to shower, eat and then go to work. Not a lot of relaxing hang around tyime. and if there where it would be colder anyways
    Bunch of short sighted morons.

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  6. Re:NO. by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Must be rough having first world problems.

    All problems in first world nations are first world problems (by definition), but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be remedied.

  7. Re:NO. by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Whats wrong with the date notation? It matches the exact way dates are spoken.

    You say "March 8th 2013"
    That exactly matches 3/8/2013

    Doesn't sort well.

    20130308 sorts perfectly. That's why, I suspect, that the standard way to express the date is "2013-03-08" (see the 1988 ISO 8601 standard), as it also sorts perfectly.

    For that matter, date+time as 20130308120000 sorts perfectly. I use it in all my database work. Throw in some separators, viz. 2013-03-08 12:00:00 and it's perfectly human readable and makes sense right out of the gate, most significant to least.

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  8. Re:NO. by Sique · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your argument basicly is "a measurement system is fine if you are used to it". The same arguments can be said for metric units, and they are also true. I can double, triple and quadruple metric units the same way than imperial units. I know that my body temperature should be somewhere between 36 C and 37 C, and that I have to drive carefully if the temperature falls below zero. There are exactly zero arguments for imperial units if you are not used to them. There is no reason to learn them now if you grew up with metric units. You don't gain anything (beside talking points) by knowing imperial units additionally to the metric ones.

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  9. Re:Just in time by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Funny

    This article just in time for the yearly "Should we keep DST? No, but we'll keep it anyway" cycle.

    I was starting to get worried that we weren't going to get to have this little twice-a-year bitchfest here on Slashdot this Spring.

    Some traditions are important. They help keep you grounded and define your culture.

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  10. Re:NO. by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Informative

    As for the farmers -- the people whom this was originally meant to benefit

    Farmers ignore daylight saving time as they have to deal with animals who are governed by the sun and not a clock. Daylight saving time was instituted so there would be more sunlight in the evening and therefore lower resource use. Read a bit of ,a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#History">history. Notice there is no mention of farmers as a reason for DST.