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Sheryl Sandberg and Technology's Female Leaders

AlistairCharlton writes "While the rest of the world continues to see men dominating, the technology industry seems set to change that. I investigate how Sheryl Sandberg, Marissa Mayer, Meg Whitman and Joanna Shields are paving the way for the rest of the business community. From the article: 'A glance at the male/female split of world leaders (178/17), Fortune 500 CEOs (96 percent/four percent) and FTSE 100 board seats (85 percent/15 percent) reveals there is a huge imbalance between the sexes, but in technology change is underway - and Sandberg is at the very forefront of it. Along with Meg Whitman, Marissa Mayer and Joanna Shields of HP, Yahoo and London's Tech City respectively, Sandberg represents a shift in what was not so long ago an all-male industry.'"

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  1. When women can be despised... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    for being sociopathic, greedy CEOs and politicians, only then will we have equality.

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    1. Re:When women can be despised... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They already are? Who is more hated than Nancy Pelosi? Who is more dangerous than Janet Napolitano? Who has fucked up more than Carly Fiorina?

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  2. Carly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't forget Carly Fiorina and her contributions to making HP and Compaq the successful companies they are today.

    1. Re:Carly by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Carly wasn't bad because she's a woman, or because she's a self-absorbed sociopath who only saw HP as a big money pot from which she could extract a personal fortune (regardless of the costs to the company or its employees), she was actively incompetent at running a technology company due to a lack of experience with, or any interest in, high technology. Her education was in liberal arts, and then several extended business degrees. That's pretty much a formula for failure in almost any industry, but particularly so in the tech industry. She was just a female version of John Scully's disastrous run at Apple without Scully's good luck at joining at the right time.

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  3. Re:I don't consider the HP example a good one. by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm betting Carly can't make a good sandwich ether.

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  4. flimsy article thrown together by EjectButton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surprising that this article praises the disaster that is Meg Whitman, and completely omits Ginni Rometty the current CEO of IBM who has worked everywhere within the company over 30 years and has CS and EE degrees.

    1. Re:flimsy article thrown together by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      completely omits Ginni Rometty the current CEO of IBM who has worked everywhere within the company over 30 years and has CS and EE degrees.

      Maybe because she spends her time running the company, instead of grandstanding about herself in the media . . . ?

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    2. Re:flimsy article thrown together by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think there are two types of CEO and it's not really about gender.

      One of them knows a lot about the business because they worked their way up in the company and will follow an evolutionary path. Maybe their skills are a bit out of date by the time they get to the top, but at least they had skills once.

      The other is someone who has worked in management jobs in a lot of companies doing a lot of different stuff, getting to be CEO via a series of jumped ships - each one higher than the last but each one was in a completely different business area. They'll follow a completely unpredictable and revolutionary path with a high chance of failure because they don't really know anything about the concrete business area - they've only really worked in it as CEO and if you're CEO you're right axiomatically when you say anything. They do however know a lot about business in the abstract - megatrends like outsourcing vs insourcing for example. They are probably very, very intelligent and persuasive too - you need to be if you can talk people into giving you the keys to their billion dollar company.

      I think there's a need for both types of people in an organisation but you're kidding yourself if you think hiring someone who knows nothing about the business as CEO means they will beat the odds - i.e. outperform the evolutionary alternative.

      It has happened of course, but I think people overestimate the probability of it. But then again most share holders are terrible gamblers who always think they can beat the odds. So it's not that surprising that boards made up of shareholders hire type II CEOs and screw the company. Then again maybe they knew that the evolutionary approach wasn't good enough to keep the company going too. That's probably true of most household name companies - an evolutionary approach means they will fade away in a couple of decades.

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  5. Re:Feminism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Teaching is female dominated because male teachers are automatically assumed to be pedophiles.

  6. Re:Feminism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Job such as teaching is female dominated = women's brains have evolved to be better at certain things.

    Negative role such as being in prison is male dominated = men's brains are different.

    Positive role such as winning sole custody of one's children is female dominated = women will always be better are certain things.

    Job is male dominated = men and women are equals.

    It's femilogical, and you're being sexist if you don't agree.

    Exactly. What this article seems to be preaching is "equal outcome", as opposed to "equal opportunity". In the U.S. and other western countries, women have the same *opportunity* as men to dominate in these fields. Opportunity is different than outcome. We don't "need" to have a perfect 50% men/women split in industries. We "need" to have the same opportunity available for both sexes.

    Each gender is typically going to trend towards certain professions, and that is perfectly fine. The genders may be equal, bu they are certainly not interchangeable, as much as the P.C. cops would like you to believe. Your example of the education industry is valid.

  7. These are not Women In Tech by databeast · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Female executives for a company that just happens to be in tech, doesn't count to women in tech, just women in business.

    1. Re:These are not Women In Tech by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's not really true, and it shows the dangers of lumping people together. An example of the difference:

      - Marissa Mayer has a B.S. and M.S., with honors, from Stanford specializing in artificial intelligence. That's where she met Larry and Sergei, and became Google employee #20 as an engineer. It's safe to say that if you put her down in front of a bash prompt with some broken code she'd show you that she is in fact quite capable technically. So I'd consider her a woman in tech, and a highly successful one at that.

      - Meg Whitman has no technical skills whatsoever, and is the exemplar of the myth that it's possible to run an organization well when you have no clue what your people are doing. Her career start was as a brand manager for Proctor & Gamble, then management consulting, and as far as I can tell she's never held a job where her primary responsibility was to actually make a product or sell a product. To give you an idea, at the beginning of her time at eBay, the website crashed, so Whitman's first goal was to create a new executive team.

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  8. Also Xerox by alispguru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... which has had all female CEOs since 2001.

    Xerox is not as exciting as HP, but its CEOs have not done large, showy reorganizations that destroyed once-proud solid engineering traditions, so there's that.

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    1. Re:Also Xerox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... which has had all female CEOs since 2001.

      Xerox is not as exciting as HP, but its CEOs have not done large, showy reorganizations that destroyed once-proud solid engineering traditions, so there's that.

      Um, what? You really don't know what you're talking about do you... Ursula Burns took over Xerox and then took a wreaking ball straight to engineering.

      Ursula Burns sold off large portions of engineering based in the USA to HCL, an Indian outsourcing company, then proceeded to dismantle or outsource everything related to product engineering.

      But hey, at least she's hiring call center employees to replace the engineering positions that have been moved to India.

      Ursula Burns is the number one most hated CEO in the tech industry. I wonder why?

    2. Re:Also Xerox by EvilSuggestions · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speaking as someone who was IRIF'ed during a large, showy reorganization at Xerox, I beg to differ:
      http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228947/Xerox_s_outsourcing_one_year_later_layoffs
      And that move definitely destroyed the once-proud solid engineering traditions of the Phaser printer org that Xerox acquired from Tektronix. Used to be an amazing group of innovative engineers there, and now just a burnt out husk remains.

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  9. Re:shift.... by englishknnigits · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about pat ourselves on the back when we feel there is equal opportunity and stop caring about ratios (outcome)? Equal opportunity != equal outcome.

  10. Re:Feminism by Crimey+McBiggles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not sexist to disagree with a poorly worded argument.

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  11. Re:Marissa Mayer by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Waaah, MM took away work-at-home so now she's the new evil IT emperor?

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  12. Re:News at 11: Rest of us "Don't Give a Fuck" by jythie · · Score: 3, Informative

    'Worthy' is a highly subjective concept. Right now, people are not being treated equally, and men with the same qualifications and performance have a better chance of being hired and promoted then women. Even at companies that have women in senior positions men STILL have better chances then their female counterparts.

    So yes, I do consider hiring more women to be a worthy cause because right now there are systemic problems that result in fairly poor representation of women in tech.

    Yes, I agree that the goal should be to treat men and women equally, but we are a long way from that and it makes a rather poor argument for why we should not be trying to improve things.

    And unfortunately, the 'innate' argument is just complete and utter bunk, yet it keeps getting trotted out as a rationalization for discrimination.

  13. Let this play out... by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A significant amount of the smart, talented women I know despise working for other women because female managers can be awful to women in a way that many men cannot even dream of treating female subordinates. Even in college, I saw some of this as one female professor was known to be utterly ruthless to female students who slacked off to a degree she almost never, ever dished out to her male students.

    So I look forward to this trend with amusement because it very well may lay the foundation for an implosion of female involvement in our fields. And then the cycle will repeat itself...

  14. NPR Morning Edition - Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg by elistan · · Score: 3, Informative

    This morning on Morning Edition NPR broadcast a talk with Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg. (Probably because Sandberg has a new book out on the subject.) I thought it was quite interesting.

  15. Re:Feminism by epyT-R · · Score: 3

    because of feminists stereotyping them..

  16. Re:Feminism by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Criticism of feminism, or rather, accusing it of hypocrisy is not hatred of women. You are categorically and definitionally incorrect.

  17. Totally misleading statistics and premise by popo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Statistics like. "85% of board seats are held by men, so clearly there's a long way to go" are highly misleading.

    The underlying premise is that all things being equal, the seats should be 50% female. But that premise is silly.

    If 75% of women elect to raise families and focus less on their careers (not a real statistic, just an example) then it would stand to reason that 25% would not hold equally senior positions to their male colleagues who pursued only career. And if women more frequently choose majors like psychiatry, French language, Art History and women's studies, then their lack of representation on boards of tech companies would also be justified.

    This is the general problem with numerical male:female ratios: They discount the other options which draw women of their own free will, and misrepresent the existing ratio as "repression" of some kind.

    The goal is NOT equal representation. It is equal OPPORTUNITY. If board seats were 50% women, that would likely represent male oppression as there are typically more men pursuing careers applicable to those seats than women. When women complain about unequal ratios they are demanding their cake while wanting to eat it too. They are actually demanding unequal favorable treatment for themselves at the expense of men.

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