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Sheryl Sandberg and Technology's Female Leaders

AlistairCharlton writes "While the rest of the world continues to see men dominating, the technology industry seems set to change that. I investigate how Sheryl Sandberg, Marissa Mayer, Meg Whitman and Joanna Shields are paving the way for the rest of the business community. From the article: 'A glance at the male/female split of world leaders (178/17), Fortune 500 CEOs (96 percent/four percent) and FTSE 100 board seats (85 percent/15 percent) reveals there is a huge imbalance between the sexes, but in technology change is underway - and Sandberg is at the very forefront of it. Along with Meg Whitman, Marissa Mayer and Joanna Shields of HP, Yahoo and London's Tech City respectively, Sandberg represents a shift in what was not so long ago an all-male industry.'"

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  1. When women can be despised... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Funny

    for being sociopathic, greedy CEOs and politicians, only then will we have equality.

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    1. Re:When women can be despised... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They already are? Who is more hated than Nancy Pelosi? Who is more dangerous than Janet Napolitano? Who has fucked up more than Carly Fiorina?

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    2. Re:When women can be despised... by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      Worked out well. I said what needed to be said (the truth) and parted ways. Don't let people get away with with bad behavior. At the very least, don't let them negatively effect your life. I sure as hell don't.

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  2. Carly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't forget Carly Fiorina and her contributions to making HP and Compaq the successful companies they are today.

    1. Re:Carly by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Carly wasn't bad because she's a woman, or because she's a self-absorbed sociopath who only saw HP as a big money pot from which she could extract a personal fortune (regardless of the costs to the company or its employees), she was actively incompetent at running a technology company due to a lack of experience with, or any interest in, high technology. Her education was in liberal arts, and then several extended business degrees. That's pretty much a formula for failure in almost any industry, but particularly so in the tech industry. She was just a female version of John Scully's disastrous run at Apple without Scully's good luck at joining at the right time.

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  3. Re:I don't consider the HP example a good one. by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm betting Carly can't make a good sandwich ether.

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  4. flimsy article thrown together by EjectButton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surprising that this article praises the disaster that is Meg Whitman, and completely omits Ginni Rometty the current CEO of IBM who has worked everywhere within the company over 30 years and has CS and EE degrees.

    1. Re:flimsy article thrown together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Add Ursula Burns (CEO of Xerox) who comes from a disadvantaged background and has two science degrees.

    2. Re:flimsy article thrown together by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      completely omits Ginni Rometty the current CEO of IBM who has worked everywhere within the company over 30 years and has CS and EE degrees.

      Maybe because she spends her time running the company, instead of grandstanding about herself in the media . . . ?

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    3. Re:flimsy article thrown together by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think there are two types of CEO and it's not really about gender.

      One of them knows a lot about the business because they worked their way up in the company and will follow an evolutionary path. Maybe their skills are a bit out of date by the time they get to the top, but at least they had skills once.

      The other is someone who has worked in management jobs in a lot of companies doing a lot of different stuff, getting to be CEO via a series of jumped ships - each one higher than the last but each one was in a completely different business area. They'll follow a completely unpredictable and revolutionary path with a high chance of failure because they don't really know anything about the concrete business area - they've only really worked in it as CEO and if you're CEO you're right axiomatically when you say anything. They do however know a lot about business in the abstract - megatrends like outsourcing vs insourcing for example. They are probably very, very intelligent and persuasive too - you need to be if you can talk people into giving you the keys to their billion dollar company.

      I think there's a need for both types of people in an organisation but you're kidding yourself if you think hiring someone who knows nothing about the business as CEO means they will beat the odds - i.e. outperform the evolutionary alternative.

      It has happened of course, but I think people overestimate the probability of it. But then again most share holders are terrible gamblers who always think they can beat the odds. So it's not that surprising that boards made up of shareholders hire type II CEOs and screw the company. Then again maybe they knew that the evolutionary approach wasn't good enough to keep the company going too. That's probably true of most household name companies - an evolutionary approach means they will fade away in a couple of decades.

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    4. Re:flimsy article thrown together by hedwards · · Score: 2

      You make it sound like becoming CEO has anything to do with talent and ability. If you take a look at the people who have managed to get the job, often times it's a matter of whom they know rather than what they know.

      And the cajoling is working, when I was getting my degree in the Natural sciences my classes were roughly 2/3 women in all cases.

    5. Re:flimsy article thrown together by gordo3000 · · Score: 2

      more important:
      being CEO of a successful company. The number of CEOs that have engineered proper turn arounds of a failing company are very few. You could make me CEO of apple tomorrow and even if I did nothing for several years, things would be great. Look at how Even easier: make me CEO of a company whose success has more to do with the macro economy (think Exxon and oil prices, or banks and increased loan demand) and you will look very smart.

      Ken Lewis worked his way up from loan officer to CEO of Bank of America, and during the bull market years was known as a great deal maker and an incredible CEO who could turn around failed businesses (he made a name for himself turning around a few major bankrupt banks in Texas), but when the rising tide stopped raising every ship, his incredible lack of knowledge on several areas of the business that had been built came to the forefront.

      Look at Ron Johnson for a great recent example of a rising tide that wasn't the macroeconomy. He was heralded as the great retail genius of our time because he was in charge of apple retail stores when Apple went from nothing to the leading tech company in the world (sales, product penetration, profits, value, I'm not going to argue about innovation or technical points on products). In 1 year he has taken JC Penneys which was kind of in a rough patch and was looking for a way to revitalize itself and turned it into a company with sales dropping 30%, the board having to consider selling off the 100+ year old company. This is a company that made it through everything the 20th century threw at it and was torn down in less than a year because Ron believed the hype that he was more than a bit player at the table of Apple.

      A CEO is almost never tested when things are going well in the industry and economy. All they really do is give happy speeches and cash a paycheck. Whether male or female, it's most likely the case. On the other hand, I incredibly respect CEOs who have turned companies around. the IBM shift from big iron to services was not easy, but it is one of the great success stories of our time. Apple basically coming back from the dead is another one.

  5. News at 11: Rest of us "Don't Give a Fuck" by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

    The rest of us just don't care about the gender of who successfully runs a company.

    Only when they unsuccessfully run it does someone get their panties in a knot by playing some imaginary gender card.

    The majority "Don't give a fuck." I don't see too many men (or women) complaining that only women can give birth.

    1. Re:News at 11: Rest of us "Don't Give a Fuck" by XanC · · Score: 2

      I don't see too many men (or women) complaining that only women can give birth.

      Oh yes they do:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c

    2. Re:News at 11: Rest of us "Don't Give a Fuck" by jythie · · Score: 3, Informative

      'Worthy' is a highly subjective concept. Right now, people are not being treated equally, and men with the same qualifications and performance have a better chance of being hired and promoted then women. Even at companies that have women in senior positions men STILL have better chances then their female counterparts.

      So yes, I do consider hiring more women to be a worthy cause because right now there are systemic problems that result in fairly poor representation of women in tech.

      Yes, I agree that the goal should be to treat men and women equally, but we are a long way from that and it makes a rather poor argument for why we should not be trying to improve things.

      And unfortunately, the 'innate' argument is just complete and utter bunk, yet it keeps getting trotted out as a rationalization for discrimination.

  6. Re:Feminism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Teaching is female dominated because male teachers are automatically assumed to be pedophiles.

  7. Re:Feminism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Job such as teaching is female dominated = women's brains have evolved to be better at certain things.

    Negative role such as being in prison is male dominated = men's brains are different.

    Positive role such as winning sole custody of one's children is female dominated = women will always be better are certain things.

    Job is male dominated = men and women are equals.

    It's femilogical, and you're being sexist if you don't agree.

    Exactly. What this article seems to be preaching is "equal outcome", as opposed to "equal opportunity". In the U.S. and other western countries, women have the same *opportunity* as men to dominate in these fields. Opportunity is different than outcome. We don't "need" to have a perfect 50% men/women split in industries. We "need" to have the same opportunity available for both sexes.

    Each gender is typically going to trend towards certain professions, and that is perfectly fine. The genders may be equal, bu they are certainly not interchangeable, as much as the P.C. cops would like you to believe. Your example of the education industry is valid.

  8. These are not Women In Tech by databeast · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Female executives for a company that just happens to be in tech, doesn't count to women in tech, just women in business.

    1. Re:These are not Women In Tech by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's not really true, and it shows the dangers of lumping people together. An example of the difference:

      - Marissa Mayer has a B.S. and M.S., with honors, from Stanford specializing in artificial intelligence. That's where she met Larry and Sergei, and became Google employee #20 as an engineer. It's safe to say that if you put her down in front of a bash prompt with some broken code she'd show you that she is in fact quite capable technically. So I'd consider her a woman in tech, and a highly successful one at that.

      - Meg Whitman has no technical skills whatsoever, and is the exemplar of the myth that it's possible to run an organization well when you have no clue what your people are doing. Her career start was as a brand manager for Proctor & Gamble, then management consulting, and as far as I can tell she's never held a job where her primary responsibility was to actually make a product or sell a product. To give you an idea, at the beginning of her time at eBay, the website crashed, so Whitman's first goal was to create a new executive team.

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    2. Re:These are not Women In Tech by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Is it Larry or Sergei that calls his dick 'bash prompt'?

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  9. Also Xerox by alispguru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... which has had all female CEOs since 2001.

    Xerox is not as exciting as HP, but its CEOs have not done large, showy reorganizations that destroyed once-proud solid engineering traditions, so there's that.

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    1. Re:Also Xerox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... which has had all female CEOs since 2001.

      Xerox is not as exciting as HP, but its CEOs have not done large, showy reorganizations that destroyed once-proud solid engineering traditions, so there's that.

      Um, what? You really don't know what you're talking about do you... Ursula Burns took over Xerox and then took a wreaking ball straight to engineering.

      Ursula Burns sold off large portions of engineering based in the USA to HCL, an Indian outsourcing company, then proceeded to dismantle or outsource everything related to product engineering.

      But hey, at least she's hiring call center employees to replace the engineering positions that have been moved to India.

      Ursula Burns is the number one most hated CEO in the tech industry. I wonder why?

    2. Re:Also Xerox by EvilSuggestions · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speaking as someone who was IRIF'ed during a large, showy reorganization at Xerox, I beg to differ:
      http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228947/Xerox_s_outsourcing_one_year_later_layoffs
      And that move definitely destroyed the once-proud solid engineering traditions of the Phaser printer org that Xerox acquired from Tektronix. Used to be an amazing group of innovative engineers there, and now just a burnt out husk remains.

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  10. But are they more responsible? by elucido · · Score: 2

    Just having female leaders is worthless if those leaders aren't any more responsible than the male leaders who preceded them. It's about responsible leadership not male to female ratios.

  11. Re:shift.... by englishknnigits · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about pat ourselves on the back when we feel there is equal opportunity and stop caring about ratios (outcome)? Equal opportunity != equal outcome.

  12. Re:Feminism by Crimey+McBiggles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not sexist to disagree with a poorly worded argument.

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  13. Marissa Mayer by Torp · · Score: 2

    Of "you can work 200 hour weeks if you sleep under your desk" (while at google) and more recently "no more telecommute" (at yahoo) fame?
    Is that someone to be praised, regardless of gender?
    I think she belongs on the "stay away form wherever she works" list.

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    1. Re:Marissa Mayer by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Waaah, MM took away work-at-home so now she's the new evil IT emperor?

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  14. female slashdotters? by illestov · · Score: 2

    perhaps we could see what the females on slashdot think? *crickets*

  15. Re:Feminism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Misogynist"

    You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

  16. Let this play out... by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A significant amount of the smart, talented women I know despise working for other women because female managers can be awful to women in a way that many men cannot even dream of treating female subordinates. Even in college, I saw some of this as one female professor was known to be utterly ruthless to female students who slacked off to a degree she almost never, ever dished out to her male students.

    So I look forward to this trend with amusement because it very well may lay the foundation for an implosion of female involvement in our fields. And then the cycle will repeat itself...

  17. Re:shift.... by englishknnigits · · Score: 2

    What basis in reality do you have to support that claim? Female and male interests are not identically distributed so why would the outcomes be identical? Do you think that the ratio of men and women that buy/wear dresses will be the same as long as there is equal opportunity for men and women to buy dresses?

    I would agree that an unequal ratio is sufficient reason to ask the question if there is actually equal opportunity but it doesn't mean there isn't equal opportunity.

  18. NPR Morning Edition - Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg by elistan · · Score: 3, Informative

    This morning on Morning Edition NPR broadcast a talk with Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg. (Probably because Sandberg has a new book out on the subject.) I thought it was quite interesting.

  19. Carol Barth by Animats · · Score: 2

    Carol Barth did well running Autodesk. Not so well at Yahoo, but that was Yahoo's problem. Nobody else has been able to turn around Yahoo either.

  20. Re:never been married? by Seumas · · Score: 2

    You must be new here. :)

  21. Re:NPR Morning Edition - Facebook COO Sheryl Sandb by slew · · Score: 2

    This morning on Morning Edition NPR broadcast a talk with Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg. (Probably because Sandberg has a new book out on the subject.) I thought it was quite interesting.

    On the other hand this book also got Gloria Allred on the warpath to bash the book. Ms Allred's claim is that 'Lean In' (the title of Ms Sandberg's book) is a thinly veiled attempt to blame women for their own predicament. The basic premise of the book (I haven't read it yet), appears to be that women are not self-confident enough and that career choices for women are often about compromise, some of which are compromises that male colleagues do not have to make.

    Instead, Ms Allred (in numerous radio interviews) appears to claim that the proper role of women who achieve in the workplace should be to encourage the enlistment of collective bargining (e.g., unions), to eliminate compromises and to help all women to achieve rather than to promote more self-confidence among women (since women are chided for being self-confident in the work place) and allow women make any career/family choices since they should be able to have it all.

    An interesting spin on Ms Sandberg's book. One wonders if she meant that women should be submitting themselves to the male-dominated union power structure rather than promote their own accomplishments individually? I'm not sure if that's exactly how that's supposed to work out... Anyhoo... To each their own politics...

  22. Re:NPR Morning Edition - Facebook COO Sheryl Sandb by broseidon · · Score: 2

    I missed the NPR broadcast today, nor have I seen Gloria Allred's accounts; but I saw Sheryl Sandberg as a keynote at the Grace Hopper conference in 2011, and she actually did a solid speech on a very similar topic. IIRC, she discussed the challenges and compromises that women make in technology or other male-dominated field; but she also discussed how that landscape can change, and how women can achieve success both with their family and in a career, similar to your summation of Ms Allred's points. I'm not sure if Allred was trying to make family/career balance come across as utopian, but I'd take what I heard during Sandberg's keynote more to heart because it is, in fact, not an easy balance to achieve... It goes so far beyond needing an unbiased employer; you also need your sig o's unwavering support, and be able to handle the possibility of living a less traditional (non-hallmark) kind of life. Forget social stigmas within the workplace when there is a giant elephant in the room regarding the roles/duties between husband and wife/mother and father.

  23. Re:Feminism by epyT-R · · Score: 3

    because of feminists stereotyping them..

  24. Re:Feminism by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Criticism of feminism, or rather, accusing it of hypocrisy is not hatred of women. You are categorically and definitionally incorrect.

  25. Totally misleading statistics and premise by popo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Statistics like. "85% of board seats are held by men, so clearly there's a long way to go" are highly misleading.

    The underlying premise is that all things being equal, the seats should be 50% female. But that premise is silly.

    If 75% of women elect to raise families and focus less on their careers (not a real statistic, just an example) then it would stand to reason that 25% would not hold equally senior positions to their male colleagues who pursued only career. And if women more frequently choose majors like psychiatry, French language, Art History and women's studies, then their lack of representation on boards of tech companies would also be justified.

    This is the general problem with numerical male:female ratios: They discount the other options which draw women of their own free will, and misrepresent the existing ratio as "repression" of some kind.

    The goal is NOT equal representation. It is equal OPPORTUNITY. If board seats were 50% women, that would likely represent male oppression as there are typically more men pursuing careers applicable to those seats than women. When women complain about unequal ratios they are demanding their cake while wanting to eat it too. They are actually demanding unequal favorable treatment for themselves at the expense of men.

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  26. Re:Women in technology by epyT-R · · Score: 2

    because:

    1. men are required to thanks to feminist 'equality' legislation. Unfortunately it does little but encourage another layer of systemic discrimination to form on top of claimed systemic discrimination.

    2. men are instinctively inclined to place women on pedestals anyway..

    3. today's 20 and 30 something men were brought up into neo-chivalry, which basically demands they give women 'equal' rewards while, at the same time, prop them up when they don't measure up, often to the point of taking the fall for her.