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New Pope Selected
Freshly Exhumed sends this quote from CBC:
"Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina has been selected as Pope of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics. He will be known as Pope Francis. He is the first Pope from the Americas. The 76-year-old was the runner-up to Benedict XVI during the last conclave. He is well-known for his humility and espouses church teachings on homosexuality, abortion and contraception. He has no Vatican experience."
espouses church teachings on homosexuality, abortion and contraception
So nothing important is going to change then? Or am i misreading that?
Well people could choose to stop with the religion thing in response.
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stuff that matters
The same people who hated Benedict XVI and John Paul II will hate Pope Francis. How dare he believe in 2000 years worth of teachings about the sanctity of life and marriage being between a man and a woman when it's all so unfashionable?
Why did liberal atheist's care so much what the Pope thinks. No one is holding a gun to your head to force you to be a Catholic. Why do so many liberals feel threatened by any source of power outside of government?
Best keep that straw and chimney handy.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
I'm curious to hear YOUR definition of humility. Really, I'd like to know.
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Not technically. The prophecy called him "Peter the Roman" but that doesn't mean that has to be his given or pope name. Also, the church will never have a Peter II out of respect for the first pope, Peter
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Please explain how they are not compatible?
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Now will he renounce the current Catholic stance on condoms, so that perhaps we can save, oh, hundres of thousands or even millions of lives?
Will he: Disawow the insane and puerile dogma of original sin?
(Etc.)
HAND.
Here they come, Anti-Catholics as only Slashdot can provide.
Who would have thought that nerds might not unanimously believe that an old man voted in by some other old men might not be Gods representative on earth?
In a cybernetic fit of rage she pissed off to another age...
No, this is A Website for Advertisers, and one of the easiest ways to get a lot of page views is to post an article where all the angry atheists can come argue about who is the most bitter toward religion.
Being humble, but also believing that your views on how other people should live their lives are so righteous that others shouldn't even be able to decide for themselves, are mutually exclusive.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
espouses church teachings on homosexuality, abortion and contraception
Guess he'll continue the long, proud tradition of covering for child molesters too.
Your political party doesn't care about your rights and only represents corporate interests.
Presuming to know what's good for homosexuals, inadvertently pregnant women and people who want to have sex without getting pregnant and then forcing those views upon them through a large, well organized, well resourced church is not exhibiting humility. An approach imbued with humility would go alone the lines of - I think these things are true, but I might be wrong, so I'll exercise caution and be mindful of contrary opinions. Depending on context, 'pride', 'egotism' or 'arrogance' would serve as opposites to 'humility'. This chap appears to exhibit at least two of the three. I've never met him though, so I'm not sure about the first one.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
Because it has a substantial impact on the world.
Since when has accuracy been any part of the Catholic Church's process?
Because being a prideful prick damning the world from his ivory tower based on the superstitions from a book emboldening bronze age morality is the opposite of humility?
Actually, you think in the wrong map. This person is a Jesuit. Jesuits are a very strange sect within the catholic power circles, educated and dangerous. SJ, not Argentinia
Does Slashdot really need to carry this story? It has nothing to do with science, tech, gaming, or anything relevant.
It has everything to do with homophobic, misogynistic, pedophilic, and racist organization which puts on airs of setting out to do good but in reality protects child diddlers and extorting money from gullible followers while ignoring the bible which it purports to follow, nothing to do with science or tech. Why again is this on slashdot?
Know thine enemy.
I'm thinking it might just start with not thinking that you are the single official conduit for the transmission of Gods word to earth.
Why rounds of voting? Surely all these men are close enough to god to know his will and reach consensus on the first try.
Nullius in verba
We wouldn't be such angry atheists if those catholics didn't keep raping children and starting wars.
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
People believe things that other people don't believe. News at 11.
He might make statements that are held to be authoritative by 1.2billion people?
When have our views on contraception, abortion and homosexuality modernized? In the last 30, 20 and 10 years. Same-sex marriage is still a huge debate. The pope is 76. The pope with a modern view is 20 today, and will become pope in 40-60 years.
This is not a democracy where you can replace people every 4 years, this is a rigid hierarchical structure of with no balances and 1 billion people. And it is supposed to not change much.
NB: The message above might reflect my opinion right now, but not necessarily tomorrow or next year.
The problem isn't people believing different things. The problem is the bit where their believes are forced onto others from a moralistic high ground that has no demonstrable basis in reality.
Well people could choose to stop with the religion thing in response.
And people could choose to stop with software with DRM in response.
But some folks have to have their games, just as some will have their religion.
Again - everybody does that, and atheists not the least of them. That is a description that you could apply to any strawman you choose.
If you have ever had the pleasure of debating with a Jesuit, you'll know what I'm talking about. I'm not being sarcastic or ironic in the least. If the Church is the Federation, the Jesuits are the Vulcans. Jesuit scholars have made many contributions to our collective store of knowlege, especially in math, astronomy, and philosophy.. These are the guys that invented propaganda, and are trained in logic, analysis, and debate in support of their faith. Speaking of their faith, it is the most rarefied, intellectualized faith on the planet. I'm looking forward to a vigorous debate between secularism and theism over the next several decades, and it's good to know that the opposition is putting their best foot forward.
"Our views" (depending a lot on who "us" is; assuming the general European populace from which the uppermost Catholic hierarchy is mainly drawn) on contraception modernized in the 1960s, when the pope was (barely) a 20-something. Since that time, there have only been very small ultra-conservative enclaves (the Papacy among them) in which birth control --- even for married couples waiting for a better time to start their family --- is considered an abomination. The Catholic hierarchy lags much farther behind on these issues than your simple chronological estimates (though not the general Catholic population, which statistically employs birth control as frequently as everyone else).
Hmmm... Electing the spiritual/moral leader of roughly 1 billion people. Yeah, I can't think of ANY WAY that could be "stuff that matters"...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Good stuff, and good on ya for not feeling compelled to be a dick about it.
The world really is a much more tolerable place, when people can disagree without the vitriol and anger.
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Really Slashdot? I get the whole Libertarian "take away marriage benefits from everyone" argument, but did you have to mod up the guy that just reduced gay relationships to the "selfish desires of people in a relationship that is destined to be sterile"?
I know this place has been going downhill for a while, but I didn't think we'd stooped THAT low. How about we make our arguments without implying that LGBT people should just suck it up, stop being "selfish" and be heteronormative for the sake of the children?