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Astronomers Probe Mysterious Gas In Titan's Atmosphere

sciencehabit writes "A fluorescent glow high in the atmosphere of Titan, Saturn's largest moon, signifies the presence of a gas that astronomers have yet to identify. The glow appears only on the daytime side of the moon at altitudes between 600 and 1250 kilometers, with the largest intensity occurring at an altitude of about 950 km. Detailed analyses reveal that the glow doesn't stem from a problem with the Saturn-orbiting Cassini craft, and it isn't associated with methane or any of the other hydrocarbons already identified as constituents of Titan's atmosphere."

104 comments

  1. Where did I hear that before? by GrpA · · Score: 1

    I guess the chances of anything coming from Titan, are a million to one...

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    1. Re:Where did I hear that before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they said. But still, they come.

    2. Re:Where did I hear that before? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Its the Puppet Masters.

    3. Re:Where did I hear that before? by Genda · · Score: 1

      You forgot the eerie OoooOOOOooooOOOoooo LLLaaaaaaaaaaa!

  2. Re:Titanurrito by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh ho ho! A fart joke! Never would I have seen that one coming! Can you do a uranus joke next! Those are so fucking funny! And nobody has ever done them before ever!

  3. No spectrograph? by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They don't have an emission spectrum that can be analyzed?

    1. Re:No spectrograph? by GloomE · · Score: 5, Informative

      RTFA.
      Of course it does. That's how they know it's there. They're just not sure what is making it... maybe aromatics.

    2. Re:No spectrograph? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to TFA, it does, but the spectrum is very near to methane, which is making it hard to identify this other gas.

    3. Re:No spectrograph? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

      Methane Lite.

      The spectrum you love, with half the calories.

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    4. Re:No spectrograph? by crutchy · · Score: 0

      why don't they just ask the new pope what caused it... all this scientific crap doesn't mean anything anyway... praise jebus

    5. Re:No spectrograph? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's glowing, must be the holy spirit.

    6. Re:No spectrograph? by crutchy · · Score: 1

      its gas... it must be the holy shit

    7. Re:No spectrograph? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just trolled 2/3ds of the population. However, the new pope IS a chemist...

    8. Re:No spectrograph? by crutchy · · Score: 1

      i can't help it if 2/3 of the population is stupid

    9. Re:No spectrograph? by chakan2 · · Score: 1

      Methane Lite.

      The spectrum you love, with half the calories.

      Gadolinium 64...

    10. Re:No spectrograph? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      So you're saying there's an abundance of carbon-11 (half-life 20 minutes) in the atmosphere of Titan?

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  4. Good job by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An article about astronomical observations of a gas and so far we've already got three fart jokes and one random insult. I see Slashdot is living up to form.

    (And what did Phil Plait ever do to you AC? Or do you have an irrational grudge against any scientists who actually tries to educate laypeople?)

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    1. Re:Good job by fabioalcor · · Score: 1

      so far we've already got three fart jokes and one random insult

      Welcome to human race.

    2. Re:Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Phil Plait makes really stupid arguments when trying to disprove something he doesn't believe in. For example, his argument against astrology went along the lines of this: Astrology believes the alignment of planets provides energy that determines certain aspects of each person's life based on when they were born (sign, horoscope). However, because light travels at a finite rate, when it appears to us that the planets are in alignment, they are in fact no longer where they appear to be so there can't be energy given by alignments because the planets aren't actually where the appear to be. Simple question to that: Why would the energy of an alignment travel faster than light as his argument requires?

      Now, I think astrology is as hokey as the next science-minded person, but I'd rather our scientists be smart enough to know when their arguments are so stupid. I'd also like scientists who focus on, you know, science instead of engaging in arguments they cannot win yet believe they already have (religion).

    3. Re:Good job by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Phil Plait makes really stupid arguments when trying to disprove something he doesn't believe in.

      If you develop a grudge against everyone who says something stupid on the internet, you must live a pathetic life.

      A sane person would just quit reading his blog, if he thought it was stupid. Or make jokes about it.

      But a grudge?

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    4. Re:Good job by gargleblast · · Score: 1

      Speaking of really stupid things to do ... you are attacking a straw man. The real Phil Plait has debunked astrology, alignment and concordance many times, and in so doing has never once mentioned the speed of light. He don't need to: he simply points out the impossibility of any mechanism, and the absence of any effect.

    5. Re:Good job by gargleblast · · Score: 2

      I actually do real public scientific outreach myself ...

      Ooh, tell me more. I'm guessing big tobacco, fossil fuel / nuclear, anything involving LD50 tests ...

    6. Re:Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phucking Phil Phucktard is an opinionated bitch who can't keep to the science. I hate those who are supposedly trying to "educate laypeople" but can't keep their own thoughts on (normally unrelated) things to themselves. If anyone else was doing that they'd call it indoctrination. Maybe even brainwashing. But funny you went fishing for "an irrational grudge against any scientist." So one of your knee jerk guesses is that I'm anti-science? Common bastion of the Slashdot crowd anytime someone speaks out against something that they adore. I actually do real public scientific outreach myself, do you? Grasp at straw(men) much? When I do my outreach I'm able to hold my tongue on subjects unrelated to the science. So sad that Phucking Phil Plait can't. I also find it very predictable of him to whore out his blog here but never come back and join in the community discussions. If he was so interested in public outreach he'd be here since he takes the time to personally pimp out his blog here. Phucking Phil Phucktard has no interest in doing that because answering questions here doesn't funnel people to his shit blog. Less visits to Phucking Phil's Shit Blog means less money in Phucking Phil's pockets. Ever wonder why someone with the public exposure of Phucking Phil Phucktard lost his place on Discovery? I don't. His blog sucks a phucking phucktard's ass.

      Don't hold back now. Tell us how you really feel, bud.

    7. Re:Good job by pitchpipe · · Score: 1, Funny

      ... what did Plait ever do to you AC?

      Phucking Phil Phucktard is an [blah blah blah] ... But funny you went fishing for "an irrational grudge against any scientist." [blah blah blah] Phucking Phil Plait can't. [blah blah blah] Phucking Phil Phucktard [blah blah blah] Phucking Phil's [blah] Phucking Phil's [spew] Phucking Phil Phucktard [vomit] phucking phucktard's ass.

      Phil fucked his mom.

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    8. Re:Good job by gargleblast · · Score: 1

      ... creation science, Japanese whale research, postmodern sociology ...

    9. Re:Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you develop a grudge against everyone who says something stupid on the internet, you must live a pathetic life.

      A sane person would just quit reading his blog, if he thought it was stupid.

      Only sane persons have pathetic lives.
      I have grudges against everyone who says something stupid on the internet, killed off most of them so far.
      There is some dude in Poland that I haven't been able to track down yet.

      The good thing is that I get to travel a lot.

    10. Re: Good job by minogully · · Score: 1

      When the number of jokes surpasses the number of non-joke posts, that's when you know it's a really good article.

    11. Re:Good job by stenvar · · Score: 1

      I don't see a "grudge" in his statements; he is just pointing out that (in his view) Plait's blog has problems, and that's a useful thing for other readers to keep in mind.

    12. Re:Good job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Astronomy. Now tell me what your outreach is. Or are you just here to try to discredit someone you don't even know?

    13. Re:Good job by DFurno2003 · · Score: 1

      and what did you bring to the conversation? about as much as me.

    14. Re:Good job by gargleblast · · Score: 1

      ... geocentricism, steady state theory, ufology ...

      but wait! here's a blast from the past: "dirty linux loving phaggots"

      ... Microsoft Research ...

  5. Time to build a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tibanna gas mine

  6. Re:Titanurrito by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    I have an idea where that gas came from. Probably that Titanurrito I had for lunch.

    Well, perhaps they're just celebrating Saturnalia. Given the venue, it would make sense. Who knows what calendar they're using, anyway?

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  7. Re:Titanurrito by xevioso · · Score: 1

    So...ura..nostologist? You study senility?

  8. Could it come from by ark1 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Uranus?

    Someone had to do it.

    1. Re:Could it come from by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fry: "Hey, as long as you don't make me smell Uranus." *laughs*
      Leela: "I don't get it."
      Professor: "I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all."
      Fry: "Oh. What's it called now?"
      Professor: "Urectum. Here, let me locate it for you."
      Fry: "Hehe, no, no, I think I'll just smell around a bit over here."
      Good old Futurama.
      http://www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/EpisodeSounds/1ACV08/

  9. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon by Latinhypercube · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycyclic_aromatic_hydrocarbon
    Origins of life PAH world hypothesis ...PAHs, subjected to interstellar medium (ISM) conditions, are transformed, through hydrogenation, oxygenation and hydroxylation, to more complex organics - "a step along the path toward amino acids and nucleotides, the raw materials of proteins and DNA, respectively".

  10. Is it sentient? by fluffy99 · · Score: 0

    Reminds me of a Star Trek episode or two where they mistakenly take about some glowing air or sand or some such and it turns out to be sentient. Or could be some bizarre bacteria that flourishes in that environment. Heck we've found silicon based flora in our own deep oceans.

    1. Re:Is it sentient? by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 4, Informative

      we've found silicon based flora in our own deep oceans

      Citation needed. There are no silicon-based life forms known to man.

    2. Re:Is it sentient? by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Funny

      you are wrong, there are plenty of silicon-polymer (silicone) based giant nippled life forms; they always attach to their hosts in pairs

    3. Re:Is it sentient? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      My back yard is full of the stuff, it just very slow moving.

    4. Re:Is it sentient? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He probably means plankton, that grows silicate based exoskeletons. Not silicon based biochemistry.

    5. Re:Is it sentient? by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      No, he confused silicon with sulfur. Can't find a good article but here's an example:

      http://www.coml.org/discoveries/discoveries/new_species/sulphurbacteria.htm

    6. Re:Is it sentient? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're still carbon-based lifeforms with DNA. They just have a sulfur metabolism.

      AFAIK, what we're talking about here are life forms that use a silicon based molecule for structure, right?

    7. Re:Is it sentient? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah and we haven't found any, as silicon is a poor choice in earth's biosphere, due to it being orders of magnitude slower from chemical reaction standpoint to carbon. upside is silicon needs alot less energy. probably would see it around brown dwarfs and far out in the Oort cloud.

    8. Re:Is it sentient? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! I'd better take those bottles away from the babies!

  11. Could be serioius by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny

    So we have a planetoid enveloped in a vaporous cloud of mysterious matter, which is unknown to science.

    Well, I've seen enough old Star Trek episodes to know that it's almost certainly a malevolent disembodied life form, which was left imprisoned on that desolate moon eons ago to keep it from threatening other civilizations throughout the galaxy.

    Unfortunately, the Huygens probe has probably now provided it with the tools it needs to transport itself off the moon, most likely in a bid to attack and take over our planet Earth. Since it's probably invulnerable to any technology we posess, our only hope is to cleverly lure it into some kind of trap where it will destroy itself, most likely in a large explosion.

    1. Re:Could be serioius by evanism · · Score: 1

      They clearly forgot to add the "malevolent disembodied life form" detection dooverlacky on this probe.

      NASA cant get *anything* right!

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    2. Re:Could be serioius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, welcome our new Glowing Gas Overlord!

    3. Re:Could be serioius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A large, completely silent, explosion, it it's from the orginal series. When did things start going 'boom' again in space? I blame Star Wars.

    4. Re:Could be serioius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "skin of evil" wasn't destroyed. The shuttlecraft was destroyed so that no one else would be lured into attempting to reach the surface.

    5. Re:Could be serioius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modded +1 Funny because +1 Awesome was missing. Posting AC to not mess up modding.

  12. Not a gas; just a Titanic Aurora by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 0

    That's all.
    But NASA needs some good PR.
    Which is a good enough motive these days.

  13. Has anyone considered... by Genda · · Score: 0

    That IO has left a huge toroid of highly charged sulfur atoms running around Jupiter and that perhaps Titan's atmosphere is just banging into that cloud and what we're witnessing is sulfur ionizing at high altitude? Just a thought? Of course it does seem to have a solar component ("happens on the sunlit side", but that might be explained by expansion of the Titan atmosphere do to solar heating... or not.)

    That or it could all be a simple problem with swamp gas... what would compose swamp gas on a frozen hydrocabon planet... AMMONIA!!! And there you have it.

    1. Re:Has anyone considered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Look I think that's a great theory except for one tiny problem, Titan is in orbit around Saturn.....

    2. Re:Has anyone considered... by willb · · Score: 0

      Or it could be gas from Uranus!

      haha! Uranus joke....

    3. Re:Has anyone considered... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      Ammonia bird, in a gilded cage.

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    4. Re:Has anyone considered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:Has anyone considered... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      That IO has left a huge toroid of highly charged sulfur atoms running around Jupiter and that perhaps Titan's atmosphere is just banging into that cloud and what we're witnessing is sulfur ionizing at high altitude?

      Might not be unreasonable if Titan orbited Jupiter.

      Alas, Titan is orbiting Saturn, and is a bit far away for what you're describing....

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    6. Re:Has anyone considered... by Genda · · Score: 1

      DAMN! So close... and yet so far :-(

    7. Re:Has anyone considered... by Genda · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except the same process is happening with Saturn, excepts its water molecule erupting from huge geysers on Enceladus. Of course Saturn has a dramatically weaker magnetic field than Jupiter (if you could see the magnetic field of Jupiter it would be several times larger than the Moon and the largest thing in the night sky.) So you wouldn't be getting the kind of energies that Jupiter hefts, but Saturn in no slouch. That and the back lit pictures of Saturn show extensive invisoble ring structure dramatically further from the planet than we previously imagined. So, same argument, different ionic species, in fact they should be looking for either molecular water or oxygen in the glow, not things they would normally be looking for.

    8. Re:Has anyone considered... by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      Your overcomplicated this. Now pay attention while I hold this shiny thing in front of you and give you a short speech.

      *sunglasses

      Swampgas+Venus+Light Reflected

    9. Re:Has anyone considered... by Genda · · Score: 1

      Alex, I'll take Bluebook for 500...

  14. Obligatory by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pumbaa: Hey, Timon, ever wonder what those sparkly dots are up there?
    Timon: Pumbaa, I don't wonder; I know.
    Pumbaa: Oh. What are they?
    Timon: They're fireflies. Fireflies that, uh... got stuck up on that big bluish-black thing.
    Pumbaa: Oh, gee. I always thought they were balls of gas burning billions of miles away.
    Timon: Pumbaa, with you, everything's gas.

    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pumbaa: Hey, Timon, ever wonder what those sparkly dots are up there?
      Timon: Pumbaa, I don't wonder; I know.
      Pumbaa: Oh. What are they?
      Timon: They're fireflies. Fireflies that, uh... got stuck up on that big bluish-black thing.
      Pumbaa: Oh, gee. I always thought they were balls of gas burning billions of miles away.
      Timon: Pumbaa, with you, everything's gas.

      Hakuna Matata gas.

  15. Re:Its a very convenient gas by ThePeices · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    It sounds like a ploy to keep the funds flowing for Cassini.

    +5 insightful for this obvious troll post?

    Slashdot: +5 Disgraceful

  16. I just want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When they're going to probe the mysterious gas in Uranus.

  17. Re:Its a very convenient gas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It sounds like a ploy to keep the funds flowing for Cassini.

    Yeah. What assholes, finding something new that they haven't identified....

  18. Re:Its a very convenient gas by MichaelSmith · · Score: 0

    I am not opposed to continuing to fund Cassini, but the fact is that when a project goes to the politicians for more funding they need to demonstrate work which they could continue to do with more money. This very thin article has the feel of something which has been held back to use when the money runs out. Okay they have seen something funny, but they don't have a spectrum. Why not, surely they would be the most obviousl thing to do up front.

  19. Re:Titanurrito by sjames · · Score: 1

    Naturally, that's where burrito gas comes from.

  20. Neon Gas in Neon Signs = ... Yellow by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    Maybe?

  21. Re:Titanurrito by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They already said it is not methane.

  22. Titan blamed it on the dog by hateflyy · · Score: 1

    I mean, who doesn't?

  23. Re:Its a very convenient gas by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny

    It sounds like a ploy to keep the funds flowing for Cassini.

    +5 insightful for this obvious troll post?

    Slashdot: +5 Disgraceful

    Our conspiracy theories are becoming as unsophisticated as our fart jokes. Back in the day, people made up interesting CTs, but nowadays it's always "they want more funding".

    Let's here some *good* conspiracy theories for this, then maybe we can have a poll to see which one is best.

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  24. What it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    given their ineptitude with launching satellites, i'd say North Korea just tried to nuke us.

  25. Re:Its a very convenient gas by thrich81 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering that Cassini is a WORKING orbiter around Saturn, a thing we are unlikely to see again in most of our lifetimes, I'm good with them funding the use of it as long as it keeps running, for no other reason than to keep looking for things it missed the first (or hundredth) time around. Same for any other working interplanetary spacecraft. If (and only if) someone can make the case that defunding Cassini will directly free up funding for the next probe to Saturn, then maybe, but I don't believe that will happen.

  26. fluorescent organic molecules? by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Informative

    *groan over the uranus, fartgas, and other dumb jokes.*

    Anyway, since this is occuring over the sunlit side of the moon, and that the moon is very far away from the sun, and that solar wind particle action on the moon's atmosphere would be shockingly small, (Saturn's magnetic field would push a good deal away, and even then the distance means a radically lower conentration than we are used to dealing with, meaning solar ions are unlikely as a cause.) Is it possible that there are tiny organic molecules up there with a fluorescent property?

    Titan has lots of methane, nitrogen, and ambient radiation from Saturn. Tiny particles just a few molecules in size suspended in the upper atmosphere would be all that's needed. Essentially, glow in the dark organic dust?

    It would be interesting to see if there are other re-emission falloff zones in that part of the atmosphere relating to the e-ring charge emissions from Saturn, and other nearby energy sources that could excite a light emitting molecule.

    1. Re:fluorescent organic molecules? by reverseengineer · · Score: 3, Informative

      That seems likely- data from other instruments on Cassini has suggested that aromatic hydrocarbons such as benzene and anthracene form high in Titan's atmosphere. The altitude (~1000km) is consistent with the location of the glow, and the emission line fits- a mix of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons has long been thought to be the source of a 3.3 micron emission line seen in interstellar dust.

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  27. Re:Its a very convenient gas by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

    The Apollo ALSEP experiments were defunded and shut down. It seems stupid but it does happen.

  28. Obviously, by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1

    It's GAS MUSIC from JUPITER!!!

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  29. Re:Titanurrito by stifler9999 · · Score: 0

    Fry: "Hey, as long as you don't make me smell Uranus." *laughs*
    Leela: "I don't get it."
    Professor: "I'm sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all."
    Fry: "Oh. What's it called now?"
    Professor: "Urectum. Here, let me locate it for you."
    Fry: "Hehe, no, no, I think I'll just smell around a bit over here."

  30. Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or does aurora come to mind?

  31. I can't believe... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    I'm the only Slashdotter who's read John Varley?

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  32. Clearly unobtonium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now lets get to work on those moon cats!

  33. nasa is like the tsa by crutchy · · Score: 1

    ... they both get excited about a probe to uranus

  34. Titan mystery gas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just elected a pope.

  35. Re:Titanurrito by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You had the Titanurrito? I had the Tarantino myself, it was interesting to say the least.

  36. Re:Good job! by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    A lot of anger there? - Are you the guy who started the moon hoax meme or just another garden variety conspiracy theorist?

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  37. Re:Its a very convenient gas by tetrahedrassface · · Score: 1

    Happen to agree with the original post. NASA funding will be cut 21% due to the sequester. His opinions is not a troll and while neat for an 'oh gee' bit off science.....This is not that big a deal For the guy that attacked him (ThePieces), just because you think there is plenty of $ to around does not mean there are........ you need to learn critical thinking and just why the mission wants the attention......

    -1 troll disgraceful.

  38. Noble gas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a gas it's a plasmid, russelian science strikes again!!!

  39. Re:Its a very convenient gas by thrich81 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I never could understand that one (ALSEP shutdown). By the way, I think it was unjustified for your original post to get modded down like it did (troll and flamebait -- I never got those:)). It sounded a bit trolly on first read but was a worthy speculation.

  40. Bioluminesence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DUN DUN DUN.

  41. Re:Titanurrito by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mystery gas in uranus

    laconic

  42. Re:Its a very convenient gas by cusco · · Score: 1

    The previous (M)Administration attempted to eliminate funding for monitoring the Voyagers, ordered Mariner data destroyed, and got upset when NASA middle managers handed over Pioneer data to the Planetary Society for analysis rather than destroy it as they ordered. I don't understand the mindset of politicians who are not content with simply removing funding for a project, but can't stand the very idea that someone else might be able to take the project over. All the plans from the Apollo missions for the Saturn 5, the rovers and spacecraft were destroyed under orders from DC (IIRC during the Reagan years) so that no one else would ever be able to build on that work. I just don't get it.

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