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EU Car Makers Manipulating Fuel Efficiency Figures

pev writes with a report in The Guardian that "European car manufacturers are rigging fuel efficiency tests by stripping down car interiors, over inflating tyres, taping over panel gaps and generally cheating. This overestimates the figures by 25% to 50%. One would have thought that a simple clause stating that cars have to be tested in the conditions that they are sold in would have been obvious?"

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  1. Slow news day? by Quakeulf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Haven't we all been taught to take all of these "tests" with a grain of salt?

    1. Re:Slow news day? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He probably didn't buy them new and so doesn't keep them as long?

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  2. Relativity by OpenSourced · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fuel efficiency tests are for comparison purposes. If all makers cheat equally, comparisons are still meaningful. When legislators set an standard, they'll probably take that into account and make the standard a bit tighter.

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    1. Re:Relativity by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that automakers start designing cars to the unrealistic test, and not to get real-world gains. Even if this only accounts for 1 MPG, that is a huge amount of fuel for the entire fleet.

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  3. Duh ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If all we have to do is over inflate your tires, tape over the panel gaps, and keep your car empty ( find somewhere else to park your junk ), to get 25% - 50 % better gas milage, why don't we all do it ?

    1. Re:Duh ! by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The single biggest difference to fuel consumption is between the seat and the steering wheel.

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  4. Why do they let automakers test? by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do they let the automakers run the test? Instead the regulatory bodies should ask for 3 production samples and an application fee and then the regulatory body should do the tests themselves.

  5. Agencies should test like Consumer Reports by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When Consumer Reports wants to test a product (including cars), they don't go to the manufacturer, much less let the manufacturer run the testing process! They buy the product anonymously at normal retail, and then test it in their own labs. Why can't regulatory agencies like the EPA and its European Union equivalent do the same thing?

  6. Re:Human Nature by phrostie · · Score: 1, Insightful

    creativity like elon musk?

    remember the standard the media held him and his car to?
    guilty until proven inocient.

  7. Re:Human Nature by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm continually amazed at how much more effort and creativity people seem to put into shortcuts to money and various get rich quick schemes, rather than boring, honest work.

    Suit A:"We're losing money and marketshare! What are we going to do"
    Suit B: "The same thing we do every time"
    Both in unison: "Layoffs and hire some more lobbyists!"

  8. Re:Human Nature by bkaul01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fashion ... and things like the engine not overheating, the hood and doors being able to open, and other such trivialities...

  9. Re:Shocking by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Optimistic? I think the word you meant was 'bullshit'. There is a difference between something that may be possible under 100% perfect conditions (yet nearly 100% unlikely in real-world conditions)... and something that has been completely rigged in such ways that even in perfect theoretical conditions it is impossible for the car, unmodified and straight from the factory, to ever come close to such manipulated stats.

    This is worse than controlled, theoretical lab tests... this is downright crooked. There is absolutely nothing 'optimistic' about it. This is fraud.

  10. Re:European Magic by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's actually the opposite. Gaining 10mpg over 40mpg is pathetically little, while gaining 5mpg over 20mpg is HUGE. Dropping 0.5L per 100km is the same amount of saved fuel regardless of if you have a 7L/100km or 3.5L/100km car. Thus it's easy to hype your 30, 35mpg cars and tell people they need to upgrade their 28mpg car, when really that's a huge fucking waste.

    The real world effect is that Americans think what we need is shiny new expensive 40mpg hybrids, when the best thing we could do is get the existing 15mpg old-ass broken down shitheaps off the road in exchange for newer 22mpg used cars that exist already. The environmental savings would be bigger than if we just replaced the natural new flow of new cars with a natural new flow of new cars with slightly better mileage. i.e. what's important is the flow of average-mileage used cars into the hands of people who aren't going to buy a new car!

  11. Re:Human Nature by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The obvious takeaway everyone is missing is that this is a nice list of things you can do to increase fuel efficiency, in some cases by up to 25% to 50%! I mean really... Is over-inflating the tires (by the car spec, not the tire safety rating) and taping over infrequently used body gaps all that hard? I even know racers that had body color match vinyl tape for just this purpose... Some hyper-milers even disconnect the alternator and change the battery at home...

  12. Don't over inflate! by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Over inflating tires is dangerous. The whole idea of the correct tire pressure is to give you the full width of the tire to grip the road. If you over inflate, the tire might not blow, but your stopping distance when having to do an emergency stop, will increase dramatically. The exact amount of grip you lose will also make you lose control in corners much quicker.

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