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Galaxy S 4 Dominates In Early Benchmark Testing

redkemper writes with an excerpt from BGR.com of interest to anyone in the market for a new phone: "Samsung's Galaxy S 4 might not offer much in the way of an exciting new exterior design, but inside, it's a completely different story. The retooled internals on the U.S. version of the Galaxy S 4 were put to the test by benchmark specialists Primate Labs and the results are impressive, to say the least. The Galaxy S 4 scored a 3,163 on the standard Geekbench 2 speed test, just shy of twice the iPhone 5's score of 1,596. That score was also good enough to top the upcoming HTC One, the Nexus 4 and the previous-generation Galaxy S III."

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  1. funny thing is by etash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    sgs 3 is better than iphone5 in that chart

    1. Re:funny thing is by niftydude · · Score: 5, Informative

      sgs 3 is better than iphone5 in that chart

      The international sgs 3 is better, the US sgs 3 isn't.

      I was never sure why samsung put a slower soc in the phones that went to the US.

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    2. Re:funny thing is by GNious · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm more surprised that they were so close.... That's actually a vote in favour of the Apple offering, because Apple's slower processor with half the processing cores will use less battery....

      Is not quite that simple - the quad-core 1.4GHz might be able to finish some intensive operations significantly faster than the dual-core 1.3GHz, allowing it to go back to a low-power state earlier and save more battery.

    3. Re:funny thing is by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Informative

      The faster Samsung processor used in the international versions didn't work with the 4G LTE that we have in the States.

    4. Re:funny thing is by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Qualcomm's "Snapdragon has good in-package support for cellular flavors in common use in the US. As can be seen in the wikipedia list, that puts them in quite a few US-release phones, even from people like Samsung who have their own SoCs.

    5. Re:funny thing is by noh8rz10 · · Score: 3, Funny

      but simply the fact that more expensive device that came out, what, 6 months later, performs less well. Most end users would probably be a bit suprised to find that out given that they'd expect the more expensive device to perform better, especially when it was so much newer.

      I'm so over this meme. all new top-shelf cell phones cost the same. $199 with contract. All cheap bargain bin cell phones cost the same. there is no such thing as "iphone more expensive than galaxy s"

      You may not be an Apple fangirl, but you're obviously comfortable being a bit dishonest with the truth when it comes to Samsung, so fangirl or not, you're still a twat.

      thank you, what was missing from this conversation was a bit of misogyny.

    6. Re:funny thing is by rjr162 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Faster in some senses.. the dual core did better in some areas than the quad-core (due to the faster clock speed even if it isn't a massive clock-speed jump). I have a Quad-Core international (since my wireless carrier doesn't have LTE and is going HSPA+ instead) vs some of the people I know who have the dual-core US one.. (one of which said they thought the screen on my international seemed clearer than their US one although I think that was in their head)

    7. Re:funny thing is by aztracker1 · · Score: 2

      I would posit that it depends on the applications running... iOS is much more integrated than Android... by the same token, Windows Phone 7 had really good battery life, and reasonable performance on much lesser CPUs, but that's because most applications were hibernated before switching tasks... Of course complaints were pretty significant.

      Also, many android apps include spyware services that run in the background (which is why I try to pay a lot of attention to them), why does a flashlight app need full access to my SD storage? iOS has much better curation of their app store. I think that analysis of apps will improve for both platforms, but it will take time. I also think that hybridizing the CPUs into fast/slow modes will continue to improve. Mfg process shrinking is going to continue to slow and get more creative in how to improve performance.

      I think that 2000-3000mA micro-usb chargers will become much more common place, so charging mid-day will be less of an issue... just got one for my car (was using a dual port 1000mA charger, swapped for a dual-port 3000mA charger. So I don't think that battery life (as long as you get 6+ hours out of a heavily used device) is as big an issue. I also have a Qi (chi) charger on my desk at work, which works really well if your phone supports it. Though even without charging, I usually get almost two days of use from my phone on a charge (Nexus 4, I don't interact with it much).

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    8. Re:funny thing is by cristiroma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Huh!? Your first assumption is incorrect!
      Listening to music while system is checking the email in background and you browse a site IS taking advantage of multicore systems on desktop OR a phone, as long as the OS scheduler is multi-core aware. Phones are multicore to accomplish such parallel tasks.
      Applications don't need to be aware of multicore. OS scheduler will take care of that.

    9. Re:funny thing is by cheater512 · · Score: 2

      Erm the GP's point was older phone is faster than the new 'more fashionable' phone.

    10. Re:funny thing is by Entropius · · Score: 2

      Actually, that's because the Android market is so fragmented. There are no iOS phones other than iPhones. There are very, very many Android devices, and the S3 has a fraction of the Android market.

  2. Great! by zhvihti · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering this is the US version with Qualcomm chips, the results for the international one with Exynos should be even better.

  3. It's a friggin' phone by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've had two smartphones now, the T-Mobile G1/HTC Dream, and the Samsung Galaxy SII. It's not about the phone speed, it's about the applications and the connectivity. If my wife's Palm T|X was a phone and had the ability to synch to a server automagically like Android does with Google's applications, she'd probably still be using it. Having the web is nice, but having the e-mail, calendar, contact list, music player, e-book reader, camera, picture viewer, and calculator are what make the device so useful. For me, it's a tool first and foremost, and the toy gadgets aren't what make it why I carry it.

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    1. Re:It's a friggin' phone by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      (I hate the "preview/submit" feature, seem to lose a lot of posts that way, this is a retype)

      To use your example against you, I started a new position as an infrastructure specialist a year ago, working with someone with 13 years experience at the same company. I got outfitted with a new Ryobi 18V tool set so that he and I could share batteries with his decade-old 18V Ryobi tool set. The power drill from his set has places for two bits, the plastic housing is sturdy, and the bit holders don't lose their bits easily. My new one has a flimsy plastic housing the deforms under pressure, has only one position to store a bit, and the bit frequently pops out. The only new feature on my drill is a little LED that's supposed to shine on the work area while the drill is in use, but that feature is negated by the need to use bit extensions to reach into wire management and server racks with equipment protruding.

      So, newer is definitely not always better, even when the newer product is a direct successor-in-market to the old product. The Dodge Aspen and Plymouth Volaré were arguably worse cars than the Dodge Dart and Plymouth Valiant that they replaced. The Netbook type of computer was a lesser product than the Subnotebook type it replaced. The modern Craftsman any-fastener wrench is a lesser product than the 12pt wrench as while it technically fits everything, it fits nothing especially well.

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    2. Re:It's a friggin' phone by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      paper specs

      iphone has always needed less CPU/RAM resources than android. i have a droid pro i carry for work and my wife's old iphone 4 with only 128MB or RAM was a much better phone

      I'm actually surprised the S4 only scores twice as much as the iPhone 5. Given the latter is still just a dual core 1.3GHz processor. The S4 is a 4+4 ("octacore" if you want to believe the marketing) running at 1.5-1.8GHz. Geekbench takes cores into account, so it should be much more than double the iPhone 5.

      I suppose they could've tested the Snapdragon version (North American model) which is only quadcore.

      But looking at the spec sheets, I would expect the S4 to be much faster than the iPhone. Hell, it's like comparing an i5 dual core with a quadcore i7 processor - of course the latter will outperform the former, especially in synthetic tests like Geekbench.

      It's like some threads I saw that said Android phones render webpages 50% faster than an iPhone. Well, duh, if you throw raw processing power at the problem, that should be the case.

      Android phones have ALWAYS outclassed the iPhone on the spec sheet. More RAM. More CPU. More this and that - been true since the iPhone 3G and the HTC G1. The iPhone 5 is also the first iPhone to break the 1GHz barrier on CPU speed - something that has been done on Android with the Droid or so ages ago. And the iPhone 5 also has 1GB of RAM, something Android phones have had for years before as well.

      Frankly, has it even been useful to compare? The iPhone is always inferior hardware wise. Always has been, and unless something happens to change that, always will.

      What's next, the Tegra 4 Android tablets outrun the iPad? Duh - the Tegra 4 tablets would have way more CPU horsepower (again, quad vs. dual core, or I think the Tegra has 4+4 now?).

  4. iPhone is not cutting edge by SpaceMonkies · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The iPhone is definitely not cutting edge technology, despite what some people believe. The iPhone is more the tried and true stuff, although I think most people use it for the software, not the hardware. However, for those who like power and fun in their pockets, the S4 is the bomb.

    1. Re:iPhone is not cutting edge by alen · · Score: 5, Informative

      the CPU and GPU in the iphone 5 were cutting edge for 2012.
      i'm playing Real Racing 3 and the graphics are about as good as the xbox

      MHz or GHz speed has never been a good predictor of actual processing power. Intel sold 4GHz CPU's 10 years ago. the 2GHz ones they sell now are A LOT faster

      cpu/gpu architecture and the having the software actually take advantage of the hardware features will give you better performance than paper specs

    2. Re:iPhone is not cutting edge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This couldn't be more untrue. The newest iPhones always are in the top of the pack when it comes to CPU performance and they always have had cutting edge GPUs.

    3. Re:iPhone is not cutting edge by Ecuador · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, at around the time of iPhone 4, Apple started putting in some good specs. By the time the iPhone 5 came out it, was among the fastest phones. This is in direct contrast to the early iPhones which had tragically bad specs.
      I mean it seemed to me the were targeted at complete retards - people would show me their (gen 1) iPhone and say "look at how well you can browse the web". I could see how the UI of the browser was an improvement over my 3-year old PDAs (Axim X50v) browser, however trying to read on that half-VGA screen would give me instant headaches. Yes, my 3-year old PDA has twice the resolution and a faster CPU. In fact, even before that, my ancient (2003) Toshiba e805 had a 4" screen with full VGA resolution. Consider also the fact that the iPhone originally did not support apps, it should become apparent that the touch-friendly UI alone would not have given momentum to the iPhone release if it was not for marketing and fanboy-ism.
      And yet it is surprising that people would call the original iPhone e.g. as a "high resolution display" device. There were devices at least 2 years older with 3x the resolution (but Nokia was too stupid to make a phone back then based on the N770/N800), but they were "invisible" to people.
      After Apple opened a new market and everybody jumped in, then they started trying to compete on merit and not just style.
      Another reversal that has happened is that now iOS is the least innovative OS. Android - though I am still not a great fan - evolves quickly and I have seen UIs made from scratch (e.g. Swipe UI on Maemo/Meego) look like they are coming to us from the next decade (in look and functionality). Instead of a modern OS on retarded hardware Apple now offers modern (at least relatively) hardware on an aging platform. The only thing that hasn't changed is that you always get less functionality than the competition and you can't change the battery or add memory...

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  5. Re:But not the Z10? by Junta · · Score: 4, Informative

    You mean like they did, right in the article? It comes up just shy of iPhone 5.

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  6. Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s4-not-cyanogenmod-support-174322/

    Reports are coming in that Cyanogenmod will not be spending any resources on Galaxy S4. None. They've complained that the Galaxy models are too hard to keep working. The strange thing about it, Cyanogen works for Samsung on their Android Team.

    Question is, will that affect your decision to buy or not buy the Galaxy S4.

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    1. Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if i was to leave iphone for android it would be the S4 or the Note

      couldn't care less about rooting and tooting. its like the shade tree mechanics of 30 years ago. people have nothing better to do with their devices.

    2. Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 by dc29A · · Score: 3, Insightful

      http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s4-not-cyanogenmod-support-174322/

      Reports are coming in that Cyanogenmod will not be spending any resources on Galaxy S4. None. They've complained that the Galaxy models are too hard to keep working. The strange thing about it, Cyanogen works for Samsung on their Android Team.

      Question is, will that affect your decision to buy or not buy the Galaxy S4.

      The only reason I picked up a Galaxy S3 is because it was CM10 supported. 2 hours after purchase, warranty was voided and CM was running on it. So no CM, no sale.

    3. Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 by Alter_3d · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unfortunately that means you will be stuck with the Android version that comes with your device until Samsung and your carrier decide to upgrade it. That takes a loong time after Google releases updates. I have a Galaxy SII running the latest version of Android (4.2.2), but if I had not rooted it and switched ROMs, it would be running 4.0.4.

    4. Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      I can understand. I feel like most people hanging on rumors and press releases about the newest phone or operating system fail to realize that mobile phones are a hobby, not a necessity or something of great importance.

      Installing CM on my phone was fun, but honestly, it's still the same phone it was before, just with different standard backgrounds and a few apps that were bundled in with it. Jailbreaking my ipad was a bit more functional, but at the end of the day, I tinker with my devices because I enjoy it and because they're mine to do so. The fact that various companies try to tell me they're not actually only adds an element of "Fuck you, apple" to it.

      That said, if mobile phones aren't a hobby of yours, why upgrade at all?

    5. Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 by Riddler+Sensei · · Score: 5, Informative

      CyanogenMod is posting across social networks that this is just the opinion of some of the devs, but is not the stance of project.

      Found on G+ just now:

      Let’s start with the simplest form of this: CyanogenMod does not pre-announce support or lack of support for devices. Ever. Even for the Nexus 4, we did not announce support until a nightly build was available. Further, any announcement regarding the ‘dropping’ of device support will be communicated via this Google+ page, Twitter, Facebook, our blog, or a combination of those; it will not be something buried in a forum post.

      This morning, a comment from a CM collaborator on XDA was taken to be as an ‘absolute’ in regards to support of the S4. He offered the opinion of four TeamHacksung maintainers, their frustrations and lack of interest in supporting the S4. What’s seemingly lost on those reading this is that his comments as an individual do not speak for CyanogenMod as an organization.

      As for the team’s stance on the S4, there isn’t one at this time, and most definitely won’t be one before the device is sold at retail.

      -The CyanogenMod Team

    6. Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not entirely true.

      There are two major variants of the Galaxy S4 - Qualcomm and Exynos based. Similarly there are two major subvariants of the GS3 - again, Qualcomm vs. Exynos.

      The Qualcomm-based GS3s were very well supported thanks to Qualcomm having excellent reference source at CodeAurora.

      The Qualcomm-based GS4s will probably be OK because many of the Qualcomm GS3 maintainers aren't as pissed off at Samsung as the Exynos guys (including myself) are.

      The four primary Exynos4 maintainers (myself, Daniel Hillenbrand, Guillaume Lesniak, and Espen Fjallvar Olson - I may have missppelled thos slightly as we usually just go by IRC nicks) have all decided that we won't be touching any further Samsungs. We're all working with Nexus or Sony devices now. (Sony has done a MAJOR turnaround in terms of opensource support over the past year, or at least the Mobile division has.)

      This probably has little impact on the Qualcomm-based GS4s, but right now, the Exynos-based GS4s are without any prospective maintainers.

      Will a new maintainer step up? Possibly. Will they succeed without just saying "fuck this shit" and selling the phone for a different one? I personlly don't think so.

      It's a volunteer project so nothing is ever a surefire given, and collective decisions are rarely made - so far, they have only been made in regards to outdated hardware and newer versions of Android. (Such as Snapdragon S1-based phones ending at CM7).

      That said, if you look at the attitudes of developers, you can "get a feel" for how likely a phone is going to be well supported by CM.
      DISCLAIMER: THE BELOW IS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND NOT IN ANY WAY AN OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE PROJECT:
      Will the Qualcomm-based GS4s receive maintainer attention and continued support including M and stable builds? I'd be surprised if they didn't.
      Will the Exynos-based GS4s receive maintainer attention and M/stable CM builds? I'd be very surprised if they do.

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  7. 2013 phone is faster than 2012 phone by alen · · Score: 2

    holy crap

    is there any software that actually takes advantage of this? there are only a few games that take advantage of the iphone 5's graphical power

    not like most people are going to dump their S3 or iphone 5 and run out to buy the S4 just because it gets better numbers
    i know someone who is going to buy the Galaxy S3 this week if he gets if for $99 on T-Mobile. he doesn't need the S4's power and price

  8. Does that mean... by SailorSpork · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...those birds will look TWICE as angry on a Galaxy S 4 as they do on an iPhone 5? IN!

    1. Re:Does that mean... by jxander · · Score: 2

      You still have the phone app? I cleared that off to save space.

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  9. oh that's right by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, now it's fast enough to run Crysis 3! Oh wait...that's right, it's a phone. Apps are written for the slowest Android devices for the biggest marketability so that speed means nothing and does nothing but waste battery life. Maybe it can process photos faster with a built-in app or something faster but who cares? Most people run 3rd party apps the vast majority of the time. I would much, much, much rather see a doubling of the battery life than a doubling of the processor speed.

    1. Re:oh that's right by swb · · Score: 2

      I don't think apps are written for the slowest device. My experience with Apple IOS and devices of mixed age is that over time the apps seem to target faster and faster CPUs, either by doing more things or adding new features.

      Every so often I grab an old iPhone 4 we use for a home phone and try to use Instacast and it about locks up updating 4-5 podcasts, yet it's like glass on my iPhone 5.

  10. Re:But not the Z10? by David_Hart · · Score: 2

    Ummm... Blackberry....

    Seriously, all of the other vendors, with perhaps the exception of Microsoft, have been focused on home users, not the enterprise. So, I guess the answer should be Microsoft, but Blackberry still has the better enterprise solution.

  11. what's the killer ap for bigger CPU on cell phone by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    what's the killer app for increased CPU?

    why do I need such a powerful computation engine in my pocket? the main use I see is if it gets to be good enough to be a desktop replacement and I can just dock it to a big screen. But until then having more cpu or GPU isn't going to let be surf the internet faster or type e-mail faster or even give me longer battery life. THe existing ones already play HD movies so the frame rate threshold has been reached for highly satisfactory video.

    SO what's the killer app for increased CPU? playing halo? Nice but not a killer app for a cell phone I think. I just can't think of anything in terms of compuational horsepower that I would like my cell phone to do that it doesn't do now and for which the cell platform is the right place to do it. I need help with my imagination I guess.

    For me the thing I need on my cell phone is vastly more battery. Why? Well aside from the obvious of longer charge time, you could probably vastly increase the communication rate and reliability by broadcasting more power. You could certainly increase the amount of time you would be tempted to use video (battery consumers).

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  12. Re:But not the Z10? by alen · · Score: 2

    umm samsung and apple

    BB might own the super secret enterprise market, but most of it is gone. apple and samsung are more than good enough for most corporate email

  13. Re:But not the Z10? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Microsoft is sort of a funny one: their attempt to push Windows Mobile devices into Blackberry's market back in the day was largely a failure, and is totally dead now; but did manage to win 'Activesync' enough support among enterprise admins as the 'Hey guys! we are totally kinda, sorta, adequately endurable compared to BES!' alternative that devices from Apple and the droid crowd that support it were able to absolutely brutalize Blackberry in ways that Windows Mobile was never able to, and Windows Phone seems to be making a rather tepid attempt to.

  14. Re:what's the killer ap for bigger CPU on cell pho by obarthelemy · · Score: 2

    I've got an old Nook Color (800MHz single-core A8) lying around, it's still perfectly OK for most everything I do on a tablet, except HD video (I don't game).

    I think OEMs are mis-aiming. Better battery, louder sound, more rugged design... would be more interesting to me than octo-core with bells on.

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  15. Blackberry's been dead a while. by Medievalist · · Score: 2

    This raises an interesting question: is there a suitable replacement for blackberry for the enterprise yet? None of the phones systems/solution I've seen have anything resembling the BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server) and encryption for email, etc. What will be the successor to BB in the enterprise?

    BES was always a half-assed and expensive solution to the regulatory problems US corporations have with email.

    End-users send HIPAA/HITECH/SOX/GLB/FDA-regulated material with their phones (for legitimate reasons or just because they are end users) so having the mail transit a server at RIM headquarters was a regulatory non-starter (stupid enterprises did it anyway, and most did not get caught so how stupid were they really?). So the big boys bought BES servers and we hacked their existing email systems up to support the extra mail hub.

    But BES, while it kept your sensitive email on a system you controlled, also usually exposed a Microsoft host to the Internet on at least one port. That's something one generally wants to avoid, and while Microsoft's SUS automagic updating makes it a lot less risky than it used to be, and you can put some transparent firewally stuff in between, why would you want all that complexity? (answer: because the CEO has a bloated ego and wanted a blackberry just like his rivals. But now he has an iPhone).

    Today you just use iPhones and Androids. It's no harder to secure them than it was to keep a BES server up to regulatory requirements in a US zaibatsu. And the whole process has always been driven by the egos of corporate officers anyway, and now those same officers are measuring their relative penis length with iWhatsits and Androids, not Blackberries.

    1. Re:Blackberry's been dead a while. by monkeyhybrid · · Score: 2

      YOU host the damned server, and YOU control the encryption keys. ALL traffic to the device is encrypted on YOUR side. RIM cannot see into these and does NOT have access to these keys.

      Uhhh, unless I'm mistaken, he didn't say otherwise. He does actually mention that the big boys bought their own BES servers, keeping sensitive emails under their own control.

      I think you need to take the time to read a user's comment more carefully before jumping down their throat.

  16. Geekbench is multithreaded by default+luser · · Score: 2

    And the scores scale linearly, so you can just divide the scores of the new Samsung quad core by 2 to get a rough comparison with the iPhone 5. This gives an estimate of SIMILAR single-threaded performance between the two.

    There are variations not handled by the simple comparison method (e.g. bandwidth-limited scaling of more cores, or clock turbo/throttling depending on number of cores used), but it's a pretty quick and fairly accurate comparison.

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  17. Re:what's the killer ap for bigger CPU on cell pho by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    what's the killer app for increased CPU?

    You won't ask those sorts of questions next time you're trapped in your car, upside down in a snowbank, and that Space Heater App is the only thing standing between you and grim death!

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