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The Real Purpose of DRM

Jeremy Allison - Sam writes "Ian Hickson, author and maintainer of the HTML5 specification, comments about the real reasons for DRM. They're not what you might think. Ian nails it in my opinion. He wrote, 'The purpose of DRM is not to prevent copyright violations. The purpose of DRM is to give content providers leverage against creators of playback devices. Content providers have leverage against content distributors, because distributors can't legally distribute copyrighted content without the permission of the content's creators. But if that was the only leverage content producers had, what would happen is that users would obtain their content from those content distributors, and then use third-party content playback systems to read it, letting them do so in whatever manner they wanted. ... Arguing that DRM doesn't work is, it turns out, missing the point. DRM is working really well in the video and book space. Sure, the DRM systems have all been broken, but that doesn't matter to the DRM proponents. Licensed DVD players still enforce the restrictions. Mass market providers can't create unlicensed DVD players, so they remain a black or gray market curiosity."

213 comments

  1. Today is officially "No shit Day!" by TechieRefugee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, a study showing that piracy has a negligable effect on profits and now this? I officially decree today to be the day of "No shit" Stories!

    1. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was misled! I was told that DRM would help me to manage my rights. Is this no longer the case?

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    2. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the digital ones. It turns out to be just a short sentence: bend over and take it.

    3. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DRM isn't directly about "no copy," and it isn't directly about controlling device manufacturers.

      It's about getting around "first sale" rights. They don't want you to be able to sell what you bought to someone else (hence "no copy"), and they want you to re-purchase if you want it on a different device (hence the "device control"). They want you to rent, not own, content.

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    4. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was misled! I was told that DRM would help me to manage my rights. Is this no longer the case?

      Well, there's a reason they call copyright owners "rights owners", and they call you a "consumer". Because otherwise, you'd own your personal digital devices, and you'd do whatever you want with them, and we can't have that. There's money to be made in taking away your rights and then selling them back to you as a privilege that can be taken away at any time.

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    5. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Technician · · Score: 4, Interesting

      DRM prevents first purchase. My MP3 players (all under $20 US) do not support DRM. I use them for Libravox audio books. I am catching up on the classics for free. http://librivox.org/

      Recent titles include;
      The invisable man
      The little princess
      Moby Dick
      Tom Sawyer
      Journet to the center of the earth

      I listen to old radio shows too.

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    6. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Arker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, to put it even more simply, DRM is about destroying private property rights and replacing them with a system of privilege.

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    7. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think the author oversimplifies the issue: there isn't just a homogenous block of content providers, they are actually split between content producers (RIAA etc.) and platform owners (Apple, Amazon, the DVD forum etc.) that have conflicting interests.
      For content producers it doesn't really matter if people are using unlicensed DVD players or Kindle clones to consume their content, as long as the content is legally obtained. They do care if their content is easy to duplicate and resell, and given the choice, they will prefer restrictive technology the prevents copying and stops 1st sale doctrine.
      On the other hand, platform owners don't give a damn about pirates, but they do care allot about the lock-in effect of their DRM, just as described in the TFA: it prevents competitors to dilute their platforms and margins. Thus they have little incentive to produce effective DRM, especially since effective DRM is quite unfriendly, but they do encrypt it and patent it just to make it impossible for compatible devices (kindle clones) and distribution channels (digital libraries for the kindle) to emerge.

      When content producers meet platform owners and anti-circumvention legislation, what you get is crappy DRM designed to lock you to the specific device or store you got it from.

    8. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by jellyfoo · · Score: 2

      More specifically for game DRM, the vendors want to ensure you're locked into their platform when you buy games from them, and DRM enforces this. I don't use Origin, Uplay or even Steam anymore, because (for the most part) anything you buy on a platform requires a client to validate your eligibility every time you try to run a game. You're locked into that ecosystem the vendor has provided. If you decide that Valve are being dicks for whatever reason and you don't want to deal with them anymore, you can't just take what you've bought and leave Steam, since most Steam games require authentication from the Steam client in order to launch. You're stuck with them unless you find a suitable crack, which isn't something that should be necessary. EA/Valve/Ubisoft know this, which is why they have no incentive to remove the DRM on their respective clients.

      I know in Steam there are a handful of completely DRM-free games in which you could separate from Steam itself if you wanted to, but they're also an extremely small subset of everything on the platform and aren't advertised anywhere in the game's store page of this being possible. It's ultimately easier to just assume all games on Steam utilize its DRM, and so you're still tied to it.

    9. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Unnngh! · · Score: 1

      Pride and Prejudice was also a good LibriVox one, I was somewhat surprised to find that I enjoyed both the writing and the story (and the reading for that matter).

    10. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      This doesn't explain why DRM is on games and other software though...

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    11. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The news is that maybe this will be disseminated to people who don't read slashdot. Too bad it's just a G+ post, normal (non nerds) people need to learn about this stuff. And the only ones who can teach them is us.

    12. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      So you play on GoG and indie games? Actually, I take that back, the 3 games I play the most (LoL, Hawken, and Blacklight: Retribution) don't use steam.

    13. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you slipped up there. RIAA is NOT a content producer. RIAA is a parasitic organization that has never produced anything other than a sense of satisfaction for it's members, and grief for consumers. Some of RIAA's members produce content, but RIAA produces nothing.

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    14. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      And we should consider ourselves fortunate that content providers "are forced to provide a user experience that, rather than being optimized for the users, puts potential future revenues first (forcing people to play ads, keeping the door open to charging more for more features later, building artificial obsolescence into content so that if you change ecosystem, you have to purchase the content again)". It makes our content maker overlords happy.

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    15. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Funny

      RIAA produces money for its members and lawyers. They also produce written works in the form of legislation.

    16. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Well, private property rights are a system of privilege, as opposed to respect. DRM, and copyright in general just concentrates it into fewer hands and makes it even less respectful.

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    17. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly!

    18. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Which all makes more people go "WTF?" and then promptly figure out how to unDRM their entire collection, completely upending the "desired" process flow and, in the process, creating an entire sub-culture that pretty much says up yours to the copyright holders.

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    19. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by jellyfoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, actually. If I am to stick to my principles it's basically the only options left really. That and older games that never needed Steam in the first place like Deus Ex and the Quake series.

      Having said that, it's not like it's a bad thing. AAA games these days are too focused on cinematic experiences and QTEs and DLCs and all that crap. On GOG I can get Arma 2, Alan Wake and many other decent but modern games if I wish.

      It's not like you NEED these games in their first place - they're just entertainment, which means that it's far easier to walk away if you don't like how things are, compared to say if you hate Microsoft and/or Windows but still need to deal with them for reasons of the software to do your job to pay the bills. With games, you can be fussy and reject dickheads... well, in theory anyway. In practice people enjoy abuse and hence EA is still all-powerful.

    20. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by jellyfoo · · Score: 2

      In response to myself...

      I will say that I also play Deus Ex: Human Revolution via a prated copy instead of Steam? Why? Because in late 2011 (just before I gave up on Steam) I bought the game, hence I feel morally OK with playing the torrented version since I bought it full price anyway. Technically this isn't allowed as it breaches the license agreement despite having paid money for the Steam version, but fuck it.

    21. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by hazem · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you care to share what mp3 players you use and what you like best about them?

      Also, if you're in the US, you can get a ton of audiobooks to listen to for free at your local library. If they don't have them at your local branch, they can probably get them via inter-library loan. I've listened to tons of books this way.

      Libravox is nice, and I fully support the idea. But I find many of the readers difficult to listen to over a long book - and I'm sure my own reading would be hard for others to hear as well. There's a reason professional readers like Scott Brick, George Guidall, James Delotel, Lloyd James, and Jim Dale, are popular and hopefully well-paid. They're essentially actors and doing a lot more than just reading words off the page.

    22. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty much any android device.

    23. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      British geeks may remember the BBC supporting the very simple encryption of Electronic programme information on Freeview HD. It did fuck all to stop copying - it was all about making manufacturer's sign a contract to build a device - which in turn forced them to obey certain restrictions (no saving, only keeping the programme for X days etc) - or face being sued.

    24. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They want you to rent, not own, content.

      Butbutbut, Diznee always floods me on all channels (TV, Mail, Adverts), "own it now on DVD"?

    25. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Well I don't know about him but you can have my Sandisk M260 when you pry it from my cold dead fingers. The thing is built like a tank, been dropped i don't know how many times and everything still works, gets around 27 hours on a single AAA battery, decent EQ, and of course since it runs on triple A if I go dead while I'm out 2 minutes in any store and I'm back up and running again. its a damned shame they don't still make 'em but you can often find them on eBay or Amazon.

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    26. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: if your physician says he's going to give you a "digital examination," it doesn't mean he's going to use a computer!

    27. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      And yet, people are still buying media with heavy DRM. I'd wager most people don't know what DRM is or why it will cost them a lot of money for things they "buy." They don't know they're agreeing to "license" things temporarily.

      While you may say "That's their problem," it's also our problem, since such unethical practices being profitable makes things worse for those of us who do know that DRM is a scam. If you play games, you likely either are stuck with few quality games, or games that have at least a little DRM in them that annoys you from time to time. It's because too few people know that DRM is a scam. Movies and TV shows are the same way. The war has been won for now on music thankfully. More coverage = more people realize that DRM is something to avoid.

      Also, don't click on stories you find obvious if you don't want to.

    28. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Arker · · Score: 2

      Private property rights are based on respect for the integrity of your fellow man, they are not a system of privilege (though of course it's granted that some of the same rhetoric is often borrowed and misuses by defenders of privilege.) As long as private property rights are properly understood, to apply only to the rights of quiet enjoyment and disposal of rivalrous goods you create or acquire in honest trade, there is no privilege involved, at least as I understand that word.

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    29. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by quonsar · · Score: 1

      RIAA produces money for its members and lawyers. They also produce written works in the form of legislation.

      You meant "litigation".

    30. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but don't try to read their written works, you haven't paid for a license yet

    31. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As is "Walden". Although somewhat depressing listening to it on the long commute to the office.

    32. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Well, there's a reason they call copyright owners "rights owners"

      You know, every time I hear that term I've taken it to mean that they are owners who have rights, or something similar to that. It seems more like the rights that they purport to own are my rights.

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    33. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      That too, but they also co-write new laws.

      I say co-write because usually a joint venture between RIAA and MPAA.

    34. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      anything you buy on a platform requires a client to validate your eligibility every time you try to run a game. You're locked into that ecosystem the vendor has provided

      I've run into a problem at least as bad on Android lately: games which require authentication on startup. The problem is that unlike my home Internet connection, which is solid, phone network coverage is still pretty spotty. I can tell immediately when something is up -- games freezing on startup or a few seconds after. I was at a convention center, and the local cell towers were overloaded. At my place of work, the wireless network often drops off. Until very recently, the cell service at my house in the city would alternate between 0 and 1 bars. If I'm ever in the wilderness... forget it (though I got surprisingly good reception descending the Grand Canyon).

      Obviously this occurs for network games, but even single-player games have this problem (like the recent Final Fantasy 3 port for Android). I'm surprised by how prevalent this is, and games I would assume would have no need for the network are prey to it as well.

      Decisions are made by app developers who seem to believe that there aren't going to be any problems contacting the network -- that all this will happen invisibly to the user in the background, but I've found it not to be the case. It gets in the way, and it's especially annoying to me because it's of absolutely no benefit to me. I get nothing by having an app phone home all the time.

    35. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      The only EA game I own/play is Battlefield 3, and its because I loved the series, and it was one of the few AAA titles that actually cares about PC games. Most of the other ones I Play right now are F2P or dont use Steam... well, besides DotA.

    36. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the Libravox business model? Presumably the written words are free, but to record and host the audio file isn't. Do they exist by donation?

    37. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      DRM was heavily used on software once upon a time without infringing on first sale rights. On a resale, you'd just sell the dongle, or the original disc (floppy/stiffy/CD), or the documentation that a game used as a necessary part of the playing (Infocom was great at this). The only thing inhibiting resale would be an individually negotiated and signed contract.

      The use to restrict resale, etc., came much, much later.

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    38. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Property rights are, and always have been determined by the strength of the person holding the property. The only thing that has changed is that it has moved from and individual to a group effort. The group (nation/state) decides what you can own through legislative fiat backed up by the gun. The philosophy behind it is corrupt by the nature of its authority. A person's property rights should only consist of what he produces, not on what he claims.

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    39. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Arker · · Score: 1

      Property rights are, and always have been determined by the strength of the person holding the property.

      Might makes right? That is seriously your argument?

      To the contrary, might can be very useful in securing ones rights, but might does not and cannot define right.

      A person's property rights should only consist of what he produces, not on what he claims.

      What he produces, and what he obtains from others in honest trade as well. Otherwise we should have no division of labor and no economy of scale and all be poorer as the result.

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    40. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Might makes right? That is seriously your argument?

      It's not my argument. It's how things work. It is still the prime motivator of all things despite our belief we are 'above it all'. We are still biologically driven. Our 'reason' is extremely feeble by comparison. I found this, but can't remember from where: "Man is the missing link between apes and human beings. -- Konrad Lorenz (?) It's just the stage of evolution we are in right now. We do as the animals do. Property is 'turf' that we mark with flags and receipts instead of urine. The strength (might) of your group (nation) determines what your 'rights' are, with total lack of respect.

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    41. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by Arker · · Score: 1

      Your quote is insightful but you then go on to contradict it by asserting that we are all ape, and no human being.

      In fact, we are a transitional stage, reaching up to the next level. Your cynical view encourages relapse instead of progress.

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    42. Re:Today is officially "No shit Day!" by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      My 'cynical' view only says that coercive authority invariably prevents all progress. It keeps us in that animal state. It is sub-human. There can be no progress until it is completely replaced with respect and cooperation. And that requires self respect and self discipline. Then property too, will be respected the way it is supposed to be.

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  2. There's no longevity living off negativity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck it, I'd rather sell reefer than do pizza delivery.

  3. Short version by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DRM is an attempt to circumvent one of the primary functions of a computational device: Copying of data. The reason for this is money and power. One group thinks they deserve money or power over another group. This is the simple truth of all DRM, and I can explain it shorter than the article, and even the summary of the article. It is what it is.

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    1. Re:Short version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The most evil drm I always thought was region coding.
      I can think of many purposes, but none of them really stand up if you study them, like the "official" reason to allow continent proce discrimination. It implies that the block of countries has something in common that will always make them separate from other blocks somehow and that each block has some kind of ruler that controls those countries and only those.
      If the distributors has their way, I'm sure they would have made the region coding specific to every DVD-player (like player keys like bluray, but worse)

    2. Re:Short version by fredprado · · Score: 1

      Nope. DRM is actually an attempt to control the use of the products you sell, and to manage to extract money from your customers in several ways, by transforming products in services. DRM as a measure of preventing copies it is a failed idea from conception and thinking it can be really used for that is naivete.

    3. Re:Short version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DRM is an attempt to circumvent one of the primary functions of a computational device: Copying of data.

      That is not what the article said at all. It said the purpose of DRM is not to prevent copying of data, but rather to control the features of all the (legal) playback devices.

    4. Re:Short version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      DRM is completely orthogonal to whether someone deserves money for their work. That's copyright, not copy protection. If/when a game developer, movie studio, book publisher, etc offers their content for sale with no copy protection whatsoever, they will still think they deserve to be paid for it. And I, for one, agree with that part.

    5. Re:Short version by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      The best way around region coding is to live in a country that doesn't make it illegal to remove such restrictions. (read: Pretty much anywhere except USA)

    6. Re:Short version by shitzu · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen a DVD player whose region code cannot be removed by a simple procedure on a remote. How is that a grey market curiosity? Or is it different in the US of A?

    7. Re:Short version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. "failed" is the keyword here. I already have an "illegal" copy of every media I ever buy. Yeah, without "illegal" copies I would by exactly zero legal copies. I won't buy if i don't know what i'm buying. I'm not going to buy a house before seeing it. I won't buy a car before trying it out, and I sure as hell am not going to buy music or movies without first getting a "testdrive".

    8. Re:Short version by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      and in those countries nowadays you're hard pressed to find a DVD player that actually supports those restrictions... most made-in-China players simply don't support DRM beyond the decryption part. Cheaper for the manufacturers (less software to write).

    9. Re:Short version by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      I know, I used to work in retail. Every DVD player we sold back then ended up being region locked from the factory. We printed off instruction for how to access the region setting menu for every one sold.

    10. Re:Short version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That can be said for all of human history about everything. ...money or power over another group. (It defaulted me to post as 'anonymous coward', lol. Love it.)

    11. Re:Short version by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      The DVD players I've bought in Hong Kong simply don't have region locking. No need to remove it or anything, it's not there to begin with. When you ask sales staff (which are usually rather incompetent to begin with) about region locking they usually have no idea what you're talking about.

    12. Re:Short version by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      They don't in New Zealand any more either. They did around 10 years ago though.

  4. But but piracy is good for media sales... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/03/19/209213/study-piracy-doesnt-harm-digital-media-sales

    I'm so confused. Goddamnit Slashdot.

    1. Re:But but piracy is good for media sales... by Pi1grim · · Score: 2

      Nothing to be confused about piracy is good for sales, DRM is bad for sales. As simple as that.
      Some people have learned it with Walmart music store, many will soon learn it. SimCity fiasco is another example. Users are slowly starting to realize, that DRMd stuff is as good as damaged goods - a gamble in which you are much more likely to lose.
      Also, this anti-circumvention bull does not fly in most countries with the exception of USA. Here in Europe I can do whatever it takes to make my legally obtained device operational in the way I please. Be it soldering, hacking firmware, removing sim-lock or just stripping DRM from anything I purchased.
      I just hope that in a decade or so we will be able to look back at this time and smirk at the "digital dark age" where pirate-hunting lawyers roam the free digital seas and tried to prevent people from collecting, sharing and copying information. RIAA is nothing but a new-age Luddite, trying to throw a shoe into the cogs of progress, hoping to make a quick buck doing it. We all remember how that ended.

  5. PDF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't know about the video space, since I nearly never watch any.

    But on the book side, it seems many E-readers can easily read PDF and other formats which makes for easy licensing. Never mind that it seems it isn't really the content producer who has a say over the drm on the sold book, doesn't amazone and the like usually have their own document type with their own DRM that their devices can read? It hardly seems like the content producer is in charge of that.

    1. Re:PDF by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But on the book side, it seems many E-readers can easily read PDF and other formats which makes for easy licensing.

      Yeah, and it was the wide range of supported formats that persuaded me to opt for a Sony reader. But as it turns out, I would still do the same even if that were not a factor. IMO the epub format is far superior to any of the others (fortunately .mobi and .lit formats can be converted by Calibre), since these files are so easily tweaked for better readability. I really dislike having to put up with PDF files on the device, since they are invariably prepared with silly page layouts that just don't work very well on the device's display.

      The other good news about epub files is that it is so easy to strip DRM out of them. My rationale is that if I have paid for an ebook, I should be able to treat it exactly as I might a paper copy, i.e. lend it to family or friends.

    2. Re:PDF by rebot777 · · Score: 1

      My rationale is that if I have paid for an ebook, I should be able to treat it exactly as I might a paper copy, i.e. lend it to family or friends.

      Should be able to but sadly cannot. I'm sorry you're a criminal my friend.

    3. Re:PDF by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      everyone is a "criminal" based on the law, if all laws were enfored fully 100% of the time. I can think of a few ways everyone breaks the law daily

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    4. Re:PDF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then do it. Name one law I have broken.

    5. Re:PDF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bestiality at 8:30 this morning

  6. Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    DRM is about maintaining artificial scarcity to keep prices inflated and control firmly in the hands of the copyright owners. Controlling the hardware is part of that goal.

    1. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by chromaexcursion · · Score: 0, Troll

      That is a half correct view. There is a lot of DRM content that is free, other that is kept reasonably low (like netflix streaming) Copyright holders do have a right to control what happens to their content. Quit being a petulant child and be willing to pay for your candy. As for hardware manufacturers. Consider, Sony is also a content producer. Several other manufacturers own a piece of content production. At the very least they don't want a trade war.

    2. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Darkness404 · · Score: 2

      Except you have a device to create infinite amounts of candy for free using only a single piece of candy and then being told that you can't, not because of any real limitations, but because someone told you that you can't.

      The sooner we get rid of artificial scarcity the better.

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    3. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Regional pricing is price inflation.

      If they can make money in one region charging more.
      But want to still make a little money in another region, they region lock it.

      Thus; DRM is inflating prices.

      If there was no DRM and they were charging 50 dollars for something in one place; and 5 in another; I'd go and pay the 5 dollar price.
      - But I can't so I feel like I am actually getting ripped off paying 50 dollars. I would seriously consider pirating.
      If there was no DRM and they were charging 27.50 in both places; I'd pay 27.50.
      - Now - I don't feel like i am being price discriminated against. Less likely to pirate.

      (My example is born from reality; in Australia, where our dollar is above the USD, In Steam (and retail boxes) some developers (ubisoft is the one that comes to mind) charges us 80 AUD in australia; and 50 USD in the USA. (Valve charge the same numerical value in AUD and USD for all their games, this is a publisher specific problem). In these instances; I "break" the DRM by purchasing elsewhere. If developers had their way my PC would only run "Region 4" games, and I would be forced into paying 80 dollars for the exact same software as the USA variant.

    4. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      That's because the Australian regulations add to the development costs of games.

      To legally sell in Australia they have to go trough a ton of legal bullshit your elected officials inflict in the name of 'The Children'.

    5. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's because the Australian regulations add to the development costs of games.

      To legally sell in Australia they have to go trough a ton of legal bullshit your elected officials inflict in the name of 'The Children'.

      Really? So how about all the non-game software, how about Adobe, Microsoft and many others?
      From the article:

      “If you go to Apple’s iTunes and buy Macklemore’s song Same Love, which is number two in the Australian charts, it’s 69 cents in the US and over $2 in Australia,” he said.

      “[And] we found it cost $5795 more to buy Microsoft’s Visual Studio software in Australia compared with the US. These are downloaded products with no Australian labour involved and no local distribution costs – it’s simply a matter of where the computer server thinks you’re coming from.”

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    6. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Pubstar · · Score: 1

      That *woosh* sound was the point he was trying to make going right over your head.

    7. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Prices inflated? This isn't food or gasoline, this is entertainment. If you don't want to consume it then just don't.

      Prices inflated? This isn't food, this is gasoline. If you don't want to drive then walk.

      Entertainment is no different then any products. Also, burning oil is a waste. Oil is non-renewable, once it's burnt it's gone forever. There is so much better stuff we can do with oil.

    8. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by wierd_w · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right of first sale bitch.

      Region locking flat out puts nails in it, and tries everything possible to kill it with fire.

      Without region locking, the right of first sale would permit entreprenurial individuals to buy up cheap(er) product in one target market, then resell the units at a higher (to them, but lower for the downstream customer) price elsewhere, and undercut the phyrric bloodletting bullshit of the publishers and distributors.

      That is completely legal. See the supreme court ruling concerning foriegn textbooks.

      Modern playback equipment boasts scaler chips in their design already to support the many different HD television formats, so claiming "regional formatting" is bullshit. Doubly so considering that the data is digital, and the medium itself is a universal standard.

      I agree that people should pay for their candy. I disagree that they should be barred from buying candy in one place, and selling it in another, taking advantage of price differences. The supreme court recently ruled in my favor on this.

      Region locking exists exclusively to compartmentalize the world economy, and relies on de-facto collusion for price fixing. Laws to enforce the region locking restrictions directly add legitimacy to that collusion. It only works when everyone plays the collusion game, which is why they are lobbying so very fucking hard to kill first sale. First sale lets the cat out of the bag, and deflates the collusion enforced price by opening up alternative markets and pricing.

      Basically, I should be allowed to pay some guy in botswana to buy a dvd for 5$ for me, and ship it overnight air for 15$, for a net of 20$, if I want to. The fact that this would undercut the "handed down from god" price of 50$ in my region for the same product simply doesn't mean dick, other than that the big distributor has a control fettish, and is being abusive. There should be no technological obstrctions to my doing this. The disc is a legitimately printed and authorized copy. The guy in botswana is permitted under the first sale doctrine to transfer his user licesence to me. No illegal copis are made, and no illegal activity is being performed. Especially if free trade agreements remove all import duties and tarrifs as considerations.

      That it makes you feel "oh so bad" as a rights holder that I don't share your estimation of what constitutes a fair market price for your product does not factor into the equasion, and you do NOT have a legitimate basis to enforce your price by locking out foriegn markets from domestic purchasers.

      Competition. Deal with it.

    9. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by webmistressrachel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He had the candy analogy forced on him - imagine if somebody had mentioned this fictional machine that copies books, records, and pictures losslessly 100 years ago - you'd have said something similar about paper being consumable.

      He merely turned the useless baby / candy analogy on it's head, and put it literal terms (unlimited flawless copies). It is you who missed the point, not your parent post.

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    10. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      I live in New Zealand, we have no such regulations. We've always had R18 game ratings. We get screwed on price just like Australia.

    11. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by shentino · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not even that.

      DRM allows content providers to enforce restrictions that go above and beyond vanilla copyright law.

    12. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Copyright holders do have a right to control what happens to their content.

      Copyright establishes a exclusive license on initial publishing. Once a copy is sold it is MINE to re-sell, or do with however I choose because upon purchase I own it, not the publisher. Copyright holders have no right to control what is done with their products once they have been purchased. This is the basis for copyright, and without it copyright is meaningless.

    13. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there was no DRM and they were charging 27.50 in both places; I'd pay 27.50.

      Which sucks if you live in a country with rampant cultural piracy, extremely poor economy or both, and you happen to want to buy the game legitimately. Where 27.50 is half a year's wage; that is if the supplier even bothers to sell in your region at all, which they won't if the prices are unrealistic for that region's economy.

      Yes, region locking/pricing is price discrimination when it comes to similar cultural regions with similar economies, like UK, US and Australia. But you can hardly argue the same case for regions like China, North Korea, Latin America, India, Africa, where the cost of legitimately buying content is a fraction of Western nations - with no hope of such prices ever recovering the cost of production - because of rampant cultural piracy, extremely poor economies, or both, where a fraction of the costs recovered is better than none.

      It's disingenious to say that because a game only costs AU 3 cents in Ethiopia, it should only cost AU 3 cents in Australia. Regional locking prevents consumers from taking advantage of poor countries; if enough people did it, the supplier would be forced to equalize worldwide prices to make them unrealistic in struggling economies (in case you hadn't noticed, economies vary across the world) or stop doing business in that region completely.

    14. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations on completely misunderstanding how the global economy works.

      Do you know WHY the product only costs $5 in Botswana? Because the $50 it would take to recover the cost of producing the content (and yes, a profit to make it worthwhile) is too much for Botswanans to afford.

      If the product costs too much for Botswanans, they won't buy it. But they won't just not buy it, oh no, that would be too difficult, and they really NEED that entertainment product, their life depends on it. So, they steal that product instead. But it's alright, because the unrealistically high price of the product justifies stealing it.

      So because everyone's just stealing it, the supplier won't bother selling the product in Botswana anymore. And guess what happens? Botswanians STILL steal it, only now their justification is the fact that they couldn't buy it even if they wanted to.

      So now the supplier figures, well I'd rather get some minimal amount of profit and shut up the pirates, than get nothing at all and give them reasons to steal it - figuring, you know, that pirates are both rational, and really do believe the justifications for piracy they spew out. So they set the price to something really small that Botswanans can afford, even though at those prices they would never possibly recover the costs it took to create the product initially (remembering that it does cost something to produce digital content; I know most pirates have trouble understanding this concept).

      But now of course, the US customers complain about how they're being ripped off when compared to the Botswanans. So if the supplier is lucky, they'll get it shipped from Botswana. Of course most of the whingers will just choose^H^HBE FORCED to pirate it instead.

      So you're a supplier. If the product costs "too much", people will pirate it. If it's not available, people will pirate it. If you lower prices in regions where it costs too much, people will buy it there, or pirate it. What's your next step?
      Place technological restrictions to prevent people buying it from poorer regions, when they can clearly afford otherwise, purely because the lower prices in another country makes it "feel" like they're being ripped off. Because pirates are precious souls, and we wouldn't want to hurt their feelings.

      But now of course, pirates will use THAT as an excuse to steal it. "Oh, you prevented me from taking advantage of poor countries, you've forced me to piracy!". So now you can either accept that most people are arseholes and ignore the mass piracy for whatever the excuse of the day is, or... you can accept that most people are pirating arseholes, except without the worry of setting up shop in Botswana, and the few people who really do want to buy your product at a reasonably affordable price, no longer can because of some pirate arsehole.

    15. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Insightful

      *rofl*

      Here, let me help your addled mind.

      1) the cost of production is fungible. There is no real need to subsidize any market in a true free market. You are confusing the employment of a command economy with price fixing and subsidies with a free market economy. This is because when you factor out a ratio of unit production cost as a part of the price component, and retain it in all sales, you will always recoup the unit production costs. Eg, I can look at the supply and demand curves, and see the projected sales price, and use historic data to compute a sales estimate. I can then factor my cost of production into the price as a ratio. Eg, if it costs me 10,000 dollars to make the product, and I expect to sell 200 thousand units, the ratio comes out to .05%. I can therefor realistically recoup some of my development costs from the botswanan economy, if I bake in my costs, computed for their market's demand and currency power.

      That is to say, I still get my money if I sell 500 million units at 5$, or 50 million at 50$. There is no legitimate reason to price gouge one market, and subsidise another, other than that one CAN do so, and get away with it.

      Here's the kicker, AC.

      If everyone rushes to buy the resold botswani dvds instead of the 50$ local offers, money will rush into botswana as a result of the trade. This devalues the american dollar in botswana, and changes the equation. The influx means more money changing hands in botswana, and thus, more disposable wealth in the economy. The local price for the DVD stops being 5$. The incentive to buy from botswana dries up, as the system reaches equilibrium. Eventually, it is cheaper to buy the DVD locally, now for 30$, instead of paying the newly inflated price in botswana, plus shipping, plus markup. The drain stops.

      Even while the drain is occuring, while sales at 50$ have dropped precipitously, demand for the 5$ price unit has skyrocketed. Again, if I have been smart and not greedy, I have baked my production cost ratio directly into that unit price, and the huge surge in demand produces my profit. I sell many times the unit number at the lower price, but still hit the same financials.

      Your argument that the reduced price in botswana is the result of necessary subsidization makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Here is why:

      If we accept the absurd notion that the distributor cannot sell for less than the 50$ point, irrespective of local economies, then selling at 5$ is selling at a loss. Not only that, we are offering and advertising that product at a loss, warehousing the product at a loss, creating regionally locked units that can *ONLY* be sold at a loss, since they can't be used elsewhere.... see where this is going? What you assert as being true will only serve to radically increase production cost, with no sensible benefit. Allowing the rampant piracy you complain about would actually cost significantly less than making physica product available at such a substantial real outlay.

      The truth is that due to the overall reductions in market costs of the botswani economy, it costs significantly less to send the freight, significantly less to warehouse, significantly less to advertise, etc. The result is that the costs associated are proportionally reduced in conjunction with the price. It is simply easier to do business in botswana. The ratio remains the same. All that changed is the unit price compared to a different market, with higher penetration costs.

      Allowing the customers in the more costly to penetrate market to buy like crazy from the easily penetrated and lower price market, and relying on the free advertisment that will flow as a result of entreprenures marketing their discount DVD shopping services, you can simply invest in a little infrastructure in the cheaper economy and make a fucking killing.

      (Gasp! That's what fucking china is doing! They are making it simply cheaper to do business in china, then getting everything set to pull the rug when the sucking lev

    16. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apples are a better example. No, not the iDevices. The projectile for keeping doctors away.

      My mother has a working device for creating infinite amounts of apples (though it does require time) in her garden. Interestingly, it works the exact same way as the devices used by the official apple producers. Even then, nobody is telling her that she needs to pay for every apple.

    17. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by daveb · · Score: 2

      Not only do we (NZ) not have such regulation - our law explicitly excludes recognition of the validity of anything designed to prevent something playing in NZ. IE if the DRM stops you playing something here - there's no reason to fear anything if you bypass the DRM to play it (providing the "it" was legitimately obtained) http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM1705866.html

    18. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you are describing is not legal in most countries of the world, even if it might be legal for textbooks in the US.

      It is definitively not legal in EU. Importing region-locked DVDs from the US and selling them in EU is not legal.

    19. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big Industry produces their product in Botswana because they don't want to pay our local labor price, so it's only fair turnabout for me to pay the Botswanian price for it.

    20. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that people should pay for their candy.

      Why? I want free candy if it's technically possible, damnit! What's the point of artificially limiting the candy supply? To make someone rich? How about we make everyone else happy instead by giving them free candy? If candymaker doesn't want to let his candy be copied he doesn't have to a) make candy b) give out the first candy he made. He can just eat it himself.

    21. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bulshit.

      Right now we have the technology to give every human on the planet his very own library of Alexandria several times over.
      The only reason it hasn't happened is insane copyright laws.

      Copyright benefits virtually nobody and empoverishes most, IMHO that's a flatout crime against humanity!

      Consequently I have no qualms whatsoever about ignoring copyright or circumventing DRM. I'm quite willing to send small amounts to the author/artist, have done so in the past and will do in the future. This insanity has to stop, if the middelmen have to die for that, at this point I'm saying "Good Riddance"

    22. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Why not? The hardware on which to play the game costs roughly the same in all of those locations because the price of hardware is based on a realistic calculation of production/distribution cost plus a small profit.
      There is no such thing as piracy of hardware, the closest you get is cheap clones which are usually not identical to or better than the original.
      If users cannot afford the hardware, then the price of media becomes irrelevant.

      And let's not forget that media is never sold at a loss. The per unit production cost is trivial, and the initial production cost is a one off that will be covered by the first X amount of sales. Once those sales are made, any subsequent sales no matter the price is almost 100% profit.

      The price of the hardware goes down over time, once the initial design costs are paid off only the per-unit costs remain and even those costs usually decrease as the technology becomes more stable.

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    23. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Again, that is because of region locking itself. Removing the DRM from the picture completely, such as with the wood pulp based textbooks so that we don't have to deal with absurd legislation about redistribution, (since region locking is straight up protectionism and market manipulation.) And suddenly the comparison between the textbooks and the DVDs becomes much different.

      If you can't hande apples to oranges, try this: region free dvds with different sales prices.

      I buy the region free dvds that are made that way at the factory in china, via a chinese wholesale dealer, and get them for way below my local wholesale cost. I then sell the shit out of them locally for way cheaper than in the store, and they sell like hotcakes.

      That is not illegal, even in the EU. This is exactly the same thing I am advocating for: the disallowment of region locking itself, because it is an abusive practice to compartmentalize the market, and a racketeer method of inflating and maintaning high unit prices through tightly controlling supply. Both practices are illegal. The MPAA, RIAA and pals are not any more special than mafia drug lords are. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

    24. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, it's AMAZING how stupid that all was. The market has never actually worked like that, and you can go worship at the church of the almighty free market until you realize that you can't eat your moronic idealism, sometime after that's all you really have left.

    25. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by scamper_22 · · Score: 1

      There's actually an interesting free-trade angle to all this.

      Supposedly, the value of having a higher dollar is that you can purchase goods more cheaply and thus can have a higher standard of living or be more productive.

      Software and media producers have tended to push for region based pricing, so the advantage is gone.

      For example, a movie costs $20 in America.
      Let us suppose that price is just not going to get any market penetration in India as most families can't afford it. A more appropriate price range is $5.

      What would happen in a 'normal' market is the movie distributor does some math and calculates the number of potential buyers in India vs US and pricing and comes to a movie price of lets say $7 to maximize profits.

      The consequence of this is the poor in America actually get to pay less for movies and they can enjoy more.

      This example is just for the consumer end, but it works equally well on the business end. Buying development software...

      You even see the same thing with prescription drugs.
      Drugs in America cost much more than drugs overseas. The main reason is other countries, like mine (Canada) have universal healthcare and won't sell an expensive drug or they won't approve it for use without a reduced price. Or the country is so poor they can't afford the high priced drug. So the drug companies give out special deals to other countries and then use the law to keep US pricing high.

      In reality, they should be forced once again to only have one price... balance the potential demand with the price and give charity where charity is due.

      In a free-trade world, i wonder why such regional price discrimination exists.

    26. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Except you have a device to create infinite amounts of candy for free using only a single piece of candy and then being told that you can't, not because of any real limitations, but because someone told you that you can't.

      Except that making the original candy is super f#$%ing expensive, and no one else is capable of making that exact same candy, and you really want that -exact- same candy.

      So it's a little tricky as an analogy goes.

    27. Re:Only a small piece of the puzzle by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I'm willing to pay for my candy. It's just I buy it from the illegal candy vendor in the alley because the "official" candy is laced with poison.

  7. The DUH File by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another fine excerpt from the DUH File!

    1. Re:The DUH File by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They better also have a HOSTS file.

  8. My leverage against all this shit is piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And I'm so tired of all of this crap that I'm going to make money of other peoples creations until I die. And I'm going to feel proud of it.

  9. Grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But if that was the only leverage content producers had

    were

    1. Re:Grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grammar correction fail! Leverage is an uncountable singular noun.

    2. Re:Grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grammar correction fail! Leverage is an uncountable singular noun.

      Grammar correction correction fail. The poster was correcting the verb to be in the appropriate subjunctive mood. Here's an example of correct English, employing the subjunctive:

      If I were a real grammar Nazi, you would become uncountable yourself.

  10. The author has it partly right.. by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DRM is about distributive control... but they've always had distributive control in one form or another anyways.

    The purpose of DRM is to supplement the diminishing faith that the content makers have traditionally placed in the strength of the copyright claim alone to keep people from copying the work without authorization.

    As copying has gotten easier and easier, the mere social contract between publisher and community, which essentially says that the latter will not copy it without permission, effectively granting the publisher a form of distributive control, has started to break down... people are no longer adhering to their side of that contract, and so it is inevitable that publishers will seek alternative means to protect their interests.

    Before copyright itself, effective distributive control still existed for people who made content because the work involved in making a copy was very time consuming and difficult. At the very least, it involved sufficient manual labor and errors in reproduction that the counterfeits rarely obtained as much notoriety as the originals. This is hardly the circumstance today, where it's pretty much an an everyday occurrence to see movies that wer3e just released up on Pirate Bay within days or sometimes hours of release, for download by anybody who simply doesn't want to pay the cash to see it in the theater.

    1. Re:The author has it partly right.. by girlintraining · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      The purpose of DRM is to supplement the diminishing profit that the content makers have traditionally placed in the strength of the copyright claim alone to keep people from excercising their fair use rights.

      FTFY.

      As copying has gotten easier and easier, the mere business contract between publisher and community, which essentially says that the latter will not copy it for personal use, effectively granting the publisher a form of monopoly, has started to break down... people are no longer adhering to unfair and restrictive business practices, and so it is inevitable that publishers will seek alternative means to protect their interests.

      FTFY (again)

      This is hardly the circumstance today, where it's pretty much an an everyday occurrence to see movies that wer3e [sic] just released up on Pirate Bay within days or sometimes hours of release, for download by anybody who simply doesn't want to pay the cash to watch something once and decide they don't like it because most movies are shit today.

      FTFY (yet again)

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    2. Re:The author has it partly right.. by russotto · · Score: 4, Informative

      As copying has gotten easier and easier, the mere social contract between publisher and community, which essentially says that the latter will not copy it without permission, effectively granting the publisher a form of distributive control, has started to break down.

      Nice try. But the DMCA came before Napster, and DVD DRM (and Macrovision before it) came before general-purpose computers could play back video well. This isn't a chicken and egg problem, we know which came first. It seems likely that the main original purpose of DVD DRM was to enforce region coding, not to prevent copying.

    3. Re:The author has it partly right.. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      You seem to be under the impression that copying is something that is relatively recent... or exclusive to the digital realm.

      It isn't.... there is a long history of analog piracy that is decades older than the DMCA... something that as newer technology was developed, the manufacturers were hoping to nip in the bud with legislation before it became an issue. (Didn't really work though, did it).

    4. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because most movies are shit today.

      Your opinion of a product has nothing to whether you should be allowed to violate an owner's copyright without compensation. Man, you are the biggest troll on slashdot today, aren't you?

    5. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      How much is the RIAA paying you?

      The purpose of DRM is to supplement the diminishing faith that the content makers have traditionally placed in the strength of the copyright claim alone to keep people from copying the work without authorization.

      If you business model is failing, change it. Change it or die. It seems like you think that the media industries should get special protection from their failing business practice. Why? What makes them so special? Should my grandpa's old nursery (for plants, not children) get propped up by legislation because his 1940's way of running things doesn't work anymore? Absolutely not, he should go out of business or adapt. Same with media companies.

      ...people are no longer adhering to their side of that contract

      What fucking contract? This is entertainment. There's nothing necessary about blockbuster movies and pop albums. You prop up the industry as if America (and the world) would crumble without it. That is not the case.

    6. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're contradicting yourself now, mark-t

      As copying has gotten easier and easier, the mere social contract between publisher and community, which essentially says that the latter will not copy it without permission, effectively granting the publisher a form of distributive control, has started to break down... people are no longer adhering to their side of that contract, and so it is inevitable that publishers will seek alternative means to protect their interests.

      Emphasis mine

    7. Re:The author has it partly right.. by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      the mere social contract between publisher and community, which essentially says that the latter will not copy it without permission

      That's not a contract. A contract has a consideration for both parties (or it's not a valid contract)

      people are no longer adhering to their side of that contract

      It's going both ways. The public aren't adhering to their side of the contract, but then, neither are the publishers. The idea is that the public lets the publishers have the exclusive right to distribute (and thus, make money) in return for the publisher generating creative work for us all to access.

      But the publishers aren't giving us access to creative work - they're locking it down. Region controls, DRM, perpetual copyright, pushing new formats that require re-purchasing. Their costs have plummeted (compare the cost of pressing and distributing vinyl to the cost of downloading), but their prices have risen (even after inflation). People are starting to see that they're getting the raw end of that "social contract", and they're in the process of tearing it up.

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    8. Re:The author has it partly right.. by shentino · · Score: 1

      Except that providers use DRM to go above and beyond the restrictions that copyright law imposes.

    9. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the last part was opinion, but the rest was spot on.

    10. Re:The author has it partly right.. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Nowhere did I allege that I was referring only to digital media or file sharing on the internet.

    11. Re:The author has it partly right.. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      If that were the case, then piracy incidence would rise with increased publisher lockdowns or more restrictive copyright terms. That's not the case. In fact, there's no statistically significant correlation between such changes to copyright terms and piracy. Rather, piracy incidence has risen entirely monotonically with the widespread availability of consumer technologies that gave them the ability to easily copy. The easier copying became, the more piracy happened. It's not a a direct functional relationship, but there's definitely a statistically significant positive correlation.

    12. Re:The author has it partly right.. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Although I don't abide by publishers that utilize DRM for a second, for what it's worth... once a DRM'd work does fall into public domain (some 100 or so years later), at least it won't be any violation of the DMCA to break the lock on that work.

    13. Re:The author has it partly right.. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Copyright is a contract. It is an exchange between society and the content maker for the latter to have (limited) exclusive copying rights on the work in exchange for the content maker to actually distribute it to the general public in the first place. The content maker could just as easily self-censor, or restrict their audience to a hand-selected set of people... but the concept of copyright was to enrich society (in fact, the threat of this happening in the aftermath of the invention of the printing press played no small part in the rationale for copyright in the first place). Oddly enough, DRM is really just another form of self-censorship... since it limits people's access to the content under terms that the content maker controls, and there can be no doubt that it's just as much of a violation of the underlying copyright contract as society not respecting it is.

    14. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mark-t's shows his colors here: there is no cohesive logic in his multiple statements because he has no real central argument and is merely championing an unjustifiable continuation of the long-standing media monopoly which no longer serve a public good. When the purpose is money any momentary logic will do.

    15. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tools which break digital locks are illegal under the DMCA.

      If the same lock is still used on a work under copyright then the distribution of the tool required to open it is still a criminal offense.

      There's also no reason to invent new locks since this system creates a perverse incentive to lean on the law rather than the technology since the outcome is more beneficial that way [no competition with older works].

    16. Re:The author has it partly right.. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The human brain can break a digital lock... all you need is a pencil, a pad of paper, and time.

    17. Re:The author has it partly right.. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Your opinion of a product has nothing to whether you should be allowed to violate an owner's copyright without compensation.

      It very well might be relevant for some people.

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      Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
    18. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As copying has gotten easier and easier, the mere social contract between publisher and community, which essentially says that the latter will not copy it without permission, effectively granting the publisher a form of distributive control, has started to break down... people are no longer adhering to their side of that contract, and so it is inevitable that publishers will seek alternative means to protect their interests.

      That's funny... in my country, every time you buy storage media (e.g. SSD, HDD, DVD, CD, memory cards) or anything that contains storage media (e.g. tablets, MP3 players), you're actually charged a private copying levy, specifically to compensate "content producers" (actually "publishers", but let's pretend for a second) for the fact that PRIVATE copying is actually legal here (as it is in most of the World).

      So... you see, in my country, it's actually PUBLISHERS who are breaking the social contract, since they are already being compensated and, by implementing DRM, they are (in)effectively preventing the (fully-legal and PAID FOR) private copying.

      They can't just accept the levy and then claim it's not "fair compensation". If they are accepting the fees, then they are explicitly signaling that they acknowledge the fact that people ARE allowed to make private copies of things they bought. Trying to implement DRM to prevent this is not only unethical but moot (suprisingly, not only will it not prevent anyone from getting a DRM-free version of it, it might actually make people not buy your product).

      So... no, I didn't break any contract and you can be damned sure I will seek all means to protect my interests: starting by boycotting the crap that gets sold as "entertainment" in the US, just to prevent my money from ever being used by publishers for litigation, extortion and "international lobbying".

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    19. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Captain+Hook · · Score: 1

      Copyright is a contract. It is an exchange between society and the content maker for the latter to have (limited) exclusive copying rights on the work in exchange for the content maker to actually distribute it to the general public in the first place

      That would be the limited time period which keeps getting extended?

      Copyright was meant to be a time limited contract between the copyright holder to monetise the copyright, and the copyrighted article reverting to public ownership... Except nothing drops out of copyright and into public ownership anymore because the time limit keeps getting extended, so the public aren't getting their side of the contract you have mentioned else where in this thread.

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    20. Re:The author has it partly right.. by mark-t · · Score: 1
      I know... which I find unfortunate, because other measures that content makers will utilize to protect their interest do not involve society in any way.

      Such as DRM.

    21. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The purpose of DRM is to supplement the diminishing faith that the content makers have traditionally placed in the strength of the copyright claim alone to keep people from copying the work without authorization.

      As copying has gotten easier and easier, the mere social contract between publisher and community, which essentially says that the latter will not copy it without permission, effectively granting the publisher a form of distributive control, has started to break down... people are no longer adhering to their side of that contract, and so it is inevitable that publishers will seek alternative means to protect their interests.

      IMHO you got it backwards. Maybe that kind of revisionist talk will fly in 2112, but in 2013 you're contradicting living memories.

      DRM erodes the faith that content makers have placed in the strength of copyright, weakening something which used to work.

      As DRM became more ubiquitous, the social contract between publisher and community broke down, which essentially says that if someone buys a copyrighted work they will be able to play it on the devices which we all take for granted should be able to play them, they should be able to move it around, play it at the time of their choosing, store it reliably on their RAID, etc -- pretty much do anything which doesn't interfere with the market. (Or if they do interfere with the market, e.g. show a clip in a negative review, do it in a way that classic copyright law permits.) Publishers are no longer adhering to their side of that contract, and so it was inevitable that people would turn to pirate releases, in order to get functional files.

      In the 1980s you could buy or rent a VHS tape and it would just work. In the 1990s, if you did that same thing, macrovision might make it play back with weird flashes, depending on how you had your VCR hooked up. Not a big deal, but it was the beginning of the defection.

      In 2001, you could buy a DVD and illegally play it on your computer. No more macrovision problems were possible, because you had no reason to bother looking for software to break your computer's video out. You might have to get the illegally manufactured (per US law) DVD-reading software from an overseas server, and then you would have to illegally "traffick" in it to get it to your computer, but the window of vulnerability was small. After you had the software, you could buy DVDs and illegally play them in the privacy if your own home, and no one could be sure what you were doing in there.

      You could plug the analog coax from your cable subscription into your TV tuner card, or the TV itself, or a Tivo, or whatever. (IMHO this situation was just outstanding, and I was very pleased with how splendidly cable TV worked, and the payments flowed, flowed, flowed every month.)

      Stuff Just Worked, and whatever DRM there was, was so weak that it was only a legal barrier, not really a seriously technical one. The situation with movie media wasn't quite as clean as it had been in the 1980s, but it was good enough that it still allowed business to happen, and the technical advantages (hard-disk-based PVRs kick videotape's ass) with DRM-less TV arguably outweighed the legal downsides of movies.

      In 2013 the digital cable simply doesn't work with anything, except some highly specialized (and curiously broken) devices. If you buy a Blu-Ray disc without researching it first, you don't know if the keys are out yet. It might work right away, or it might be months before you can play the media that you bought. But even if it works right away, it's probably because you've subscribed to a certain shady business's subscription.

      In either case, it's easier and more reliable to just pirate it. The release groups' files just work, and they work with anything and everything. They adhere to the standards that peoples' actual equipment can actually adhere to. That's the new bar of functionality, pretty much the same as analog cable TV was

    22. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Shagg · · Score: 1

      Limited by duration as well as by things like fair use, first sale, etc.

      DRM gets rid of those limitations, which is it's main purpose. The whole "piracy" thing is a red herring. DRM is lousy at preventing piracy, but it's great for taking away rights from customers.

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    23. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      most movies are shit today

      You automatically lose.

      If most movies were shit today, people wouldn't want to see them.

      Most people pirate because they want to watch content but not pay for it. It's as easy as that.

    24. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Shagg · · Score: 1

      once a DRM'd work does fall into public domain

      You actually believe that will happen? Current interpretation essentially says that "infinity minus 1" is still "limited duration". At what point do you think the corporations will say "We've extended copyright long enough, we don't need to extend it again".

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    25. Re:The author has it partly right.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah... As far as any artists are concerned, "copyright" has traditionally been about other "content producers" taking someone else's work and claiming it as their own.. As a musician, THAT has always been my big worry.. not some people copying or downloading my music. The latter always has resulted in *increased* exposure, leading to increased sales of either the hard medium, or online sales. I am always disappointed when I see artists falling for the record company shtick that downloading leads to decreased sales. These labels are simply trying to suck the artists into doing their dirty work for them. Come on now, (to any musicians out there), the big labels have been screwing us by doing the former for years, and now want US to believe that lost sales are due to downloading? Wake up!

  11. As has been said, by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DRM manages you rights in the same way jail 'manages' your freedom.

    1. Re:As has been said, by muon-catalyzed · · Score: 1

      Still, without DRM and the feedback on sales figures it provides you have no way to check whether the publisher is not screwing you.

    2. Re:As has been said, by mtrip · · Score: 1, Funny

      In Soviet Russia.. DRM manages you!

    3. Re:As has been said, by innerweb · · Score: 1

      The US of Soviet Russia?

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    4. Re:As has been said, by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      With DRM, regardless of what the feedback is, you're screwed. The question is just by how much.

    5. Re:As has been said, by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, you're quite right. DRM doesn't manage the user's rights. It "manages" the publisher's "rights", by infringing on those of the users.

    6. Re:As has been said, by malbosher · · Score: 1

      LMAO, can i use your quote?

    7. Re:As has been said, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not origonal, so WTF do you care?

    8. Re:As has been said, by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      That would be ARM (no connection to the cpu).

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    9. Re:As has been said, by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Union of the Socialist States of America..

      or maybe the Allied States of America fits better with today's politics, with the whole corporate-run socialist state angle going on there..

    10. Re:As has been said, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You all with your bloody "rights". There is no such thing. As George Carlin already told it many times, it's only "priviledges" which are sometimes granted and sometimes taken back

    11. Re:As has been said, by makomk · · Score: 1

      Of course, the DRM is provided by the company selling your product and calls back to their servers, so they could just as easily lie about that as they could about the sales figures...

    12. Re:As has been said, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, certain philosophers have managed to take old Hobbes definition of freedom and define people in jail as free.

    13. Re:As has been said, by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Looks like someone has got no idea what "socialist" actually is.
      Stock options for the complete staff at some startups may be the closest thing you've got.

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    14. Re:As has been said, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Union of the Socialist States of America..

      or maybe the Allied States of America fits better with today's politics, with the whole corporate-run socialist state angle going on there..

      I think you'll find that corporate-run and socialist don't really go well together.

    15. Re:As has been said, by Rakarra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Carlin was a funny man with a good deal of insight, but he's said a lot of shit over the years and I would not say his ultra-cynical view of the world matches reality, nor is it useful to think that way.

  12. Cheap hardware mitigates by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have media players from China that will play most popular video formats and completely ignores any DRM scheme including Cinavia. I paid $40 for it w/ free shipping and no tax. It has no network port, doesnt rely on servies or logins or fees. You put movie files in, movies play out. Copyright as it stands now will not be able to weather ubiquitous computing.

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    1. Re:Cheap hardware mitigates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have expensive hardware that mitigates. When I bought my (one, only, still got it) DVD player I did my research and bought a Samsung DVD-709. Why? Because it was easy to make it region-free, even back in the late 90's. Back then they pretty much all were; the only holdout was Phillips, and even they caved eventually.

      Manufacturers have always paid lip service to DVD "security" and always have.

    2. Re:Cheap hardware mitigates by Technician · · Score: 2

      Try a free software version for your PC.

      Skipping the previews and just playing the movie is a huge plus.
      http://www.geexbox.org/download/

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    3. Re:Cheap hardware mitigates by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      I prefer VLC but the point is well taken. Reclaim your freedom to watch the content you paid for in the manner that you wish by using open source software to re-enable your rights as a consumer.

    4. Re:Cheap hardware mitigates by Technician · · Score: 1

      I've never tried using VLC to play a DVD. I'll have to check that out. I use VLC for most other media on Linux. It just plays what I throw at it. A reboot to Geexbox takes care of DVDs.

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    5. Re:Cheap hardware mitigates by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I've never tried using VLC to play a DVD. I'll have to check that out. I use VLC for most other media on Linux. It just plays what I throw at it. A reboot to Geexbox takes care of DVDs.

      VLC often craps itself hard and then gets into a state where I have to xkill it when trying to watch a DVD.

      This never happens to me running XBMC, although sometimes it chokes on a menu. This has not happened to me in a long time.

      Except on a seriously limited system, you will not have to reboot to run XBMC. You do need shaders to run it. It will use VDPAU if you have it, and I hope you do if your computer is bunko. I switch user profiles to launch XBMC, but you can just run it, too. I only wanted a "pure" mode. I could share ownership of the profile dir and symlink it, but I'm not gonna.

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    6. Re:Cheap hardware mitigates by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      I've ripped most of my DVDs, but VLC plays them just fine on my system.

  13. Now race to spit out tons of shit for a fraction. by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Presumably this analysis is more meaningful in places like Canada where content creators get a slice of sales of blank DVDs and so on.

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  14. Region codes by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not something we here in the USA give much thought to. But in the rest of the world, region-free DVD players are more than a curiosity.

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    1. Re:Region codes by Kittenman · · Score: 3

      Not something we here in the USA give much thought to. But in the rest of the world, region-free DVD players are more than a curiosity.

      Tut now. Some movies aren't available in region-1 format. Spread your wings a bit, try something with subtitles.

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  15. DVD players? by leromarinvit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm confused. Why would anyone care what a DVD player does or doesn't do, when there's a free, high quality, ad-free version of pretty much anything on the Pirate Bay (and countless other distribution channels) that will play on any device, in any way I want, whenever I want?

    They can (somewhat, temporarily) control their own distribution channels. But once it's out in the open, any and all control over these closed channels is moot.

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    1. Re:DVD players? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This. The Pirate Bay (and Usenet, and private Torrent trackers) offer something that media companies don't... If they had been paying any attention, they'd have taken a clue from AllOfMP3: content for a decent price, in the format I want, at a compression rate of my choice. And mine to play and replay when I want, on a device of my choice, with no ads.

      I don't pirate movies because I can do so free of charge. I got to a point in life where my time is actually rather valuable, so I am willing to pay for convenience. And I am certainly willing and able to pay for content because it's the right thing to do. Yet I pirate movies because the pirates offer a vastly better product and movie distributors stubbornly refuse to follow suit. Well, fuck 'em.

      And fuck the book publishers too. I still get told all too often that I am not allowed to buy certain ebooks because I don't live in the USA... even though the same companies are happy to ship me a paper copy. Guess what, the customer you refused to do business with found what he wants on the Pirate Bay

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    2. Re:DVD players? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I've gotten to where I'd rather rent a movie and rip it than download it. Most really good blu-ray rips are in the neighborhood of 10 gigabytes and I can just drop by Redbox and pick up a few, take them home and rip them and drop them back at the Redbox the next day. Then I watch them when I feel like it using my WD TV Live HD player hooked to my TV. It looks just as good as it does through the blu-ray player then I can keep the movie if it's worth rewatching ( about 1 out of 20 ) or just delete it. I now only download old movies that aren't easily available otherwise.

    3. Re:DVD players? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a simple message that still hasn't got through; in the digital age, if you are the best source for your own content, you still own the content. If, however, you aren't the best source for your own content, you own zip.

      That's why DRM 'works' in ebooks; I can quickly and easily buy, download and read a book. DVDs, on the other hand, still want me to watch ads etc like it's all still whirring through a tape machine. They are fools and they deserve to lose.

    4. Re:DVD players? by jellyfoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed.

      All I want is for the studios to provide something comparable with what I can get on torrent sites:

      * A standalone file that doesn't require authentication with some server somewhere.
      * A file encoded in an open (enough) container & format like MP4/MKV, such that it can be decoded by anything and on any operating system/platform. I don't want to have to rely on a propritary Windows-only program to play my purchased files.
      * HD quality files (720p or 1080p - even better, having a choice at purchase/download time)

      That's it. I'm not asking for much really; if randoms on the net can do this, so can the corporations. Yes the torrents are free, but if all things are equal then I'll gladly pay a reasonable price for content if these requirements are met. I WANT to be 100% legit, if only because I feel it's a reasonable case to want to pay someone for their work. But I'm certainly not going to pay money for an inferior product.

      But no - instead we have streams instead of hard files so that the video can be controlled (as if it'll stop piracy), and browser plugins for viewing that are Windows only (which is OK since I still use Windows, but I like as much openness as possible to diversify things and futureproof my options in case Linux distros improve enough to become a viable option for a home desktop). Oh, and regional shit which prevents me from accessing content the US releases because I happen to live in Australia - as if my money isn't of any value. Torrents don't have this limit.

      They just don't want to give people the optimal solution, even if we're ready to reward them for fucking listening to us.

    5. Re:DVD players? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I WANT to be 100% legit

      Even if you don't it's still possible to compete with free. There is a value in quality assurance, enough for manufacturing companies to spend millions on it and enough for customers to select a known brand over a generic copy in the grocery store.
      It doesn't even have to be higher quality, there is a value in knowing exactly what you will get before you invest time and money in it.

      All the distributors have to do is to make sure that they can provide a consistent bandwidth (I need to know if I need to decide what I want to watch at noon or if I can wait until just before I make dinner.) and a well-defined compression quality. A big plus would be normalized sound levels between movies but for some reason that appears to be too much to ask for.

    6. Re:DVD players? by Andtalath · · Score: 1

      In my case, it goes way faster torrenting a bluray than going out and renting it, especially when factoring in the return and selection.

    7. Re:DVD players? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you. Nobody gives a fuck about your willingness to pay, as long as you take without paying. If you can't get a movie or song on your terms, your proper remedy is to not get the movie/song. The seller of goods rightly sets the terms and conditions of the sale of said goods and if you don't like it, don't buy it. You are not ENTITLED to the movie/song.

      If Ferrari won't sell you a $40,000 Ferrari, you don't go down to the dealer and take one.

    8. Re:DVD players? by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It doesn't take me but a few hours if it's a good torrent to download but my upload speed is a fraction of my download so it takes days to keep my ratio at about 2 to 1. If I had 20MB upload to match the download it'd be a lot better. It's just so simple to stop at the redbox as it's on my route home and it takes a minute or two to rent a couple of discs and then the next day I just drop them back off. No hassle and it is only a little over a buck to rent Blu-Rays. The quality is at least as good as anything I've seen on TPB and better than a lot of it.

  16. Complete and utter nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    People who make IP are pissed when other people can easily copy and distribute their work for free. It is a VERY common Human emotion from creators.

    DRM is nothing but a modern version of 'copy protection'. Or perhaps the idiot Hickson wants to argue that copy-protection sought by people like the Beatles, or used on VHS tapes, happened because the 'content providers' wanted 'leverage' over the people making the playback hardware.

    DRM is a super-set of basic copy-protection ideas, that has vastly enhanced functionality ONLY because modern levels of tech make such functionality possible. Everything that DRM causes is a 'down-stream' consequence of tech possibilities, NOT the reason DRM exists in the first place.

    All current legislative pressure (the actions of your government) insists that DRM must NOT relate to issues of hardware monopolies- the exact opposite of what idiot Hickson is saying. Hickson is like the idiots who try to argue that EULAs over-rule your 'first sale doctrine' rights.

    Governments will only allow DRM to ultimately serve two purposes. 1) to stop illegal copying and distribution. 2) to allow media to be provided as a 'service' (where the data is no longer accessible when the service conditions end). Companies that use DRM do NOT get to trump the law of the land.

    An idiot might ask "why then are so many DRM schemes associated with particular hardware". The answer is, of course, down to the emerging state of the technology. Universal DRM systems require technology to reach a level (cost and capability) where they become commercially feasible. In the interim (as with all new technologies) a lot of proprietary intermediate solutions get implemented.

    The example of 'licensed' DVD players is laughable and humiliating. There is no such thing as an 'unlicensed' DVD player in the sense the idiot Hickson means. Unlicensed in this case means companies that illegally refuse to pay to use the patents of Sony and Phillips- patents that have nothing to do with DRM, but patents that describe the fundamental workings of DVD players. Refuse to pay for the patents, and you can make a cheaper DVD player. None of these so-called unlicensed players (stand-alones) allow for illegal copying of protected Disks. Idiot Hickson is obviously confusing the idea of 'region free' players- a feature found in the majority of LICENSED players via a service menu function.

    Of course, in the short term, many companies will attempt to illegally exploit their DRM system in order to restrict the rights of their customers. But let me ask you a question. Did Apple do this? Cheap crooked behaviour is for small fry criminal companies. You want to be the biggest player? You are going to have to respect consumer rights.

    A neat example of this is with Sky TV in the UK, the world's most advanced broadcast service. Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Sky (and Fox in the USA) may be rotten to the core, but he is no fool. He has hardware built to spec for home reception, but has embraced the Internet and all mobile devices. He intends that all of his televisual content can be received on ANY mobile device owned by his customers, including offline storage of shows with DRM. Hardware issues play a part here, but not in any way Hickson describes. Media companies require 'protected video playback paths' in the video hardware subsystems so that the decoded video stream may not be intercepted and copied. You may imagine this as the concept of 'write-only' memory for the video-buffers.

    DRM has NOTHING to do with seeking control of those that build the playback hardware. PS now I know why HTML 5 is proving to be such a bad joke. Isn't it time open-source grew up, and started to worry about the intellectual abilities of those that control key projects.

    1. Re:Complete and utter nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, let me say nice try using "the nasty effect"[1] to enhance the impact of your divagation in favor of the MAFIAA.

      Unlicensed DVD players are real, just look up the Apex AD600A. This is probably the most famous example, but there are many other brands and models. True, the Apex is unlicensed in the sense that they didn't pay the MPEG-LA, but it's also true that all of them allow for copying protected discs by disabling Macrovision and CGMS. Hell, some versions even used chipsets with no CGMS circuitry making copying effortless.

      As for Rupert Murdoch wanting his media to play on any and all platform, just remember he's power hungry; his goal is to control the minds of his customers. It's in his interest to control all venue to their brains.

      1.http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/03/16/144247/why-trolls-win-with-toxic-comments

    2. Re:Complete and utter nonsense by Shagg · · Score: 1

      DRM is nothing but a modern version of 'copy protection'.

      DRM is nearly useless as 'copy protection'. You've fallen for the propaganda.

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  17. What about "unauthorized producers"? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In addition to unauthorized distribution of copyright works, I assume that DRM is also intended to prevent "unauthorized producers" of content from being able to distribute their works. Now that distribution no longer absolutely requires going through "official" channels, some means of preventing "pirate," that is to say, non-major-studio-authorized, content is needed.

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    1. Re:What about "unauthorized producers"? by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

      This is an under-appreciated point, especially with regards to HDCP, where the HD alliance is run by a group of content producers who have collaborated to effectively force all content producers to use their system. Consumers won't buy hardware unless it plays existing content, and manufacturers can't make hardware that plays HDCP-protected content unless they meet all of the HDCP requirements, which means no one can't effectively support non-HDCP HD content, which means other HD content producers have to work within that license-encumbered system. It's not a total lock-in, but there are unreasonable negative effects on the consumer in addition to producers, such as the analog sunset, that has made it contractually impossible to fully support some common older formats like component video.

  18. It still comes down to the same thing by Skapare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... one industry wants to create a distribution monopoly by controlling everything, and eliminating competition.

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  19. Re:Cheap hardware mitigates... if you can get it! by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

    Re:Cheap hardware mitigates... if you can get your hands on it... My parents have an iLo dvd player that does not lock itself to a region and plays all kinds of media. Unfortunaltey, the company that made it got sued out of existence. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILo_Technologies for how Cyberhome owns their intellectual property after their warehouse was raided for creating "unlicensed" DVD players.

  20. What it really means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DRM = "You don't own your own cruft. You are just renting it!"

  21. No... by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, DRM hasn't "worked" for video and books. Its been made less annoying, but it still hasn't "worked" and it won't "work" in the future. Two reasons why this has happened:

    1) eBooks have apps for just about anything. You can read your Kindle on your Kindle, on your iPhone, on your Android, on your PC, on your Mac, etc. And there is a bonus to using these services because theoretically it should keep track of where you are in your book. But when Amazon eventually stops supporting X, customers are screwed.

    2) Video is limited by sheer size, downloading a library of 100 songs takes up, what, less than half a gigabyte? Downloading a library of 100 movies in full HD can easily take up several hundred gigabytes. Video is also limited by what devices really "work" for it, you're unlikely to want to watch Netflix on your new iWatch on its 3 inch display. They've also done streaming which makes the DRM more bearable.

    But the problems that are inherent in DRM is that it punishes people who want to buy things legitimately, but can't. Just look at region-locking which is often paired with DRM, you're essentially telling someone that if you want what we're selling, you need to acquire it through illegitimate means. I'm sure there's lots of non-Americans who'd pay for Hulu, I'd easily pay the BBC to have access to iPlayer, but instead I pay for VPN/Proxy to access it illegitimately.

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    1. Re:No... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I've bought a few books from the Kindle store, and stripped the DRM with Calibre. If Amazon every decide that they stop supporting my device, or block my account for whatever whim, or whatever else reason, all of the books are in DRM-free ePub on my computer anyway. I can jailbreak the device easily enough; I'll even gain some functionality. It also means that I'll be totally happy with downloading unlicensed ebooks in the future. If I tried to do it their way and they punished me, then I won't do it their way again.

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  22. Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All about control, the more they control the more secure they feel.

    They think that if they control every aspect from control to consumption in as much detail as possible, they can maximize profits.

    However, given they just had to give out millions of free games, they can no longer claim that it offsets piracy, by their own counts they just gave away $50 million+ in games at EA as a drm apology. If it was piracy they would be calling 1 million stolen units $50 million in lost profit, so how is it any different then when they give away a million games.

    $50 million is a lot, it's obviously not cost effective. It hurts public opinion and costs the company money anyways. If that's the price of business then it makes more financial sense to allow people to pirate.

    I know EA is not out $50 million, and that their piracy estimates are bullshit. The free game offer I'm sure comes with some lost-sales and other costs, but no where near $50/million. The comparison was meant to contrast how they talk about piracy losses.

  23. DRM is about controlling the distribution channel by rocket+rancher · · Score: 2

    ...and Hickson nailed it in one. The motion picture industry and the recording industry learned the hard way what happens when you lose control of the distribution channel. The RIAA and the MPAA are just ways of doing damage control until the those industries can get back into control of the distribution channel. As Hickson noted, the publishing industry learned from the recording and entertainment industry's mistakes -- it is embracing digital delivery via the net without surrendering control of the distribution channel by insisting on DRM in their content and requiring only DRM'd devices at the consumer end of the channel. The publishing industry is well on the way to making dead-tree fiction and non-fiction -- well, fictional, if you'll forgive the word play. That's what DRM is all about -- helping content providers maintain control of the distribution channel from end to end.

  24. DRM doesn't work if..... by ChronoFish · · Score: 1

    ...consumers refuse to buy.

    But you (consumer you) have bought Blue Ray devices, you've consumed from the Apple walled garden, you've bought into Microsoft, you've spent money on Sony Products, you gave EA a couple of bucks... you suck.

    You have supported the DRM pushers - and no - you didn't have to. You could have gone without. But instead you consumers choose to bend over backwards.

    So stop your f'in Bellyaching and own up to the fact that DRM is your own fault.

    God damn you.

    -CF

    1. Re:DRM doesn't work if..... by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      But... I just had to buy the newest shiny, drm-infested game! I can't live without it! Clearly this DRM problem has nothing to do with me.

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    2. Re:DRM doesn't work if..... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      The average consumer won't complain. And that's because, as TFS states, the purpose is not to restrict customers as much as it is to control channels.

      In effect, DRM does not effect customers much, if at all. As soon as it would affect them (e.g. it doesn't play) they wouldn't buy. Or start protesting really loudly (e.g. Amazon retracting sales of e-books, like they did to 1984, or the problems with that computer game last week). DRM or no DRM doesn't make much of a difference to them. Which of course also shows how utterly useless DRM is, other than to restrict your sales channels.

    3. Re:DRM doesn't work if..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...consumers refuse to buy.

      But you (consumer you) have bought Blue Ray devices, you've consumed from the Apple walled garden, you've bought into Microsoft, you've spent money on Sony Products, you gave EA a couple of bucks... you suck.

      You have supported the DRM pushers - and no - you didn't have to. You could have gone without. But instead you consumers choose to bend over backwards.

      So stop your f'in Bellyaching and own up to the fact that DRM is your own fault.

      God damn you.

      -CF

      I'm sorry, I truly am. But I only bought because I knew their DRM is crappy and easily breakable. If their DRM would actually have been worth anything I would have not bought. Ok ok, I admit I might have bought something, but strictly to show support for some series or movies, I still would have everything, supplies by my friendly internet pirates, right? I mean, I do want to have copies that are actually usable, and I also do want to support financially the series and movies I like, so that those types of movies and series will stay in production. I'm not sure how this is possible because the distributors don't want to sell me the product I want. I can get the product for free anyways, but somehow I would even like to pay for the ones that have actually made the product. I could also pay the distributor if they offered any value, but they basically only remove value. Maybe there is a way to pay piratebay? They are the best distributor I know. No adds, no piracy warnings, fast downloads, some discussion about the movies i'm about to download, ratings... Just add a "donate to creators" button. Yeah, I've actually donated to some bands that used piratebay as their distributor. The other one I even liked, the other one I donated to support any new distribution models.

      even the captcha knows: "honest"

  25. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You misunderstand who it's intended to "work" for.

  26. ADA isses with locking down books and other by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    ADA isses with locking down books and other media so that screen reader can't read them.

  27. DReaM on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Licensed DVD players still enforce the restrictions. Mass market providers can't create unlicensed DVD players, so they remain a black or gray market curiosity."

    In Australia virtually every licensed DVD player (including all the major manufacturers: Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic, etc) arrives region-free - you can play DVDs from anywhere in the world. The player might be marked Region 4, but it will play Region 1, 2, 3, 4 discs - I have discs from all of these regions.

    Bluray players are more likely to respect Bluray region codes, still, but most will ignore DVD region codes (there are a few more exceptions).

    Maybe things are different in the US.

  28. perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, DRM hasn't "worked" for video and books. Its been made less annoying, but it still hasn't "worked" and it won't "work" in the future.

    Your "problem" is that you're evaluating whether DRM works or not from the perspective of a content viewer. This is a mistake.

    DRM is working just fine from the point of view of content owners.

  29. Calibre by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    Calibre is my favorite. Convert anything to anything. You can load up one reader with anything and everything from any source, then load up your friend's competing reader with any or all of the same content. And, you don't even need the reader, of course - your laptop or desktop works perfectly well for all of it. I haven't done it, but I suppose you can send any of your content to your phone as well.

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    1. Re:Calibre by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I haven't done it, but I suppose you can send any of your content to your phone as well.

      You can indeed. I only use the phone as a reader occasionally, but I was gratified to see that Calibre interfaces just as readily with my Galaxy Nexus as with the Sony reader.

  30. Re:DRM is Capitalism. We need COMMUNISM! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh c'mon man! Write some journals about your uh... "celebrations"

  31. This is BULLSHIT by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

    Essentially the article says the restriction is placed there for legal and not for technical reasons. It walks around that, and doesn't say it in straight language, but that's what it's saying: users will bypass restrictions, companies won't because of fear of legal retaliations. Well, you don't need DRM for that. Sure, you do need DRM to be able to abuse the DMCA, but you can still license your service under certain rules, and sue companies that distribute non-compliant players. You don't need DRM to enforce copyright laws.

    This is high grade bullshit. The reason they don't care (much) if DRM is broken is that 99% of users are technically incompetent, and won't use the available tech to circumvent DRM. It is there to restrict the users.

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    1. Re:This is BULLSHIT by Shagg · · Score: 1

      99% of users are technically incompetent, and won't use the available tech to circumvent DRM.

      They don't have to. It only takes one user to break the DRM and then upload it to TPB. After that, the 99% you're talking about can download it without having to do any circumvention.

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  32. Not exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's missing the subtle point that this is only true due to the DMCA. There was DRM before the DMCA, and device manufacturers were free to make devices that ignored, worked around, or reverse engineered DRM to play that DRM'ed media/data. Now that reverse engineering is illegal. The DMCA is what gives modern DRM its teeth. Making a Blu-Ray player that ignores DRM is not copyright infringement; it's a violation of the DMCA.

  33. The opposite position... by peter.hudson8308 · · Score: 2

    I would argue, at least in the world of books (and eBooks), that DRM has been more useful economically to owners of the content readers (e.g. Amazon) than to the content publishers. The fact that Kindle has DRM on its eBooks means that the average end user is unable to easily transfer their eBook purchases from a Kindle to another eBook ecosystem (e.g. Kobo, Nook, Android, or Apple). DRM on eBooks effectively allows an eBook device vendor to lock consumers into their eco-system and provides about as much protection as a paper-mache helmet. Publishers know this, and in my experience are not the ones insisting on DRM for their eBooks these days...

  34. DRM is artificial scarcity by JonBoy47 · · Score: 1

    Back in the world of analog media, the process of copying content involved cost. Be it paper and toner from photocopying a book, or cassettes to make mix tapes, physical media had to be purchased for each copy. The copying process was time consuming, and limited to a few generations before the end product was completely unusable. These limitations imbued bootlegs with a "scarcity", economically speaking, that allowed commercial sle to successfully continue in the face of bootleg copies. This "scarcity" is the underpinning of the entire capitalist system. Goods and services require a non-zero amount of finite (scarce) resources to create, imbuing them with value that people pay in order to obtain them. Crucially, in an environment of scarcity, there is some non-zerovincremental cost to creating additional "copies" of an item. The capitalist scheme falls apart with digital data. All the cost is tied to the very first copy, because it can be reproduced infinitely for virtually zero incremental cost, with no loss of quality. DRM is a crude attempt to artificially create scarcity akin to what existed in the analog world...

  35. DRM is NOT working really well for vids and book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arguing that DRM doesn't work is, it turns out, missing the point. DRM is working really well in the video and book space.

    Then you haven't heard of JManga's closing announcement this week, and that's just for starters. All of their costumers will be losing the books they bought.

  36. So clearly the answer is... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    ...to republish the content DRM free. Which is, gee, what's happening.

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    1. Re:So clearly the answer is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then let's make a business of scarfing up other people's information, make millions at it, become a Harvard professor, and then snuff ourselves when we get caught the third or fourth time and finally face actual prosecution. After all, that's precisely what Aaron Schwartz was doing.

      Too bad he had to crash the content servers repeatedly to do it, but hey, that's genius for you.

    2. Re:So clearly the answer is... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      The point is, regardless of what you or I might think about it, life finds a way. And the more onerous the circumstances, the more life will endeavor to find a way.

      In this case, by trying to lock down the player manufacturers, DRM creates a brisk market in solutions that defeat DRM. I also suspect that since ripped video can be played on a variety of media, the big losers are the DVD player manufacturers. Which is probably part of the reason they're trying to branch out into other media sources, like netflix and amazon built into the player.

      Interestingly enough, many DVD/Blu-Ray players excel at playing illegally downloaded content. What do you think that USB slot is *really* for?

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  37. What DRM ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DRM has not affected me in any way.

    My Pioneer Blu-Ray player was shipped pre-cracked by the retail store I bought it from so I can skip the nauseating ads.

    My Windows 7 install is running cracked codec's that I downloaded for free and runs a movie player that doesn't care about DRM.

    My entire Blu-Ray and DVD library has been ripped in lossless format to my streaming server so I can watch movies in high definition via my custom built HTPC that's hooked up to my TV in the living room just by browsing my film library, all 5 terabytes of it.

    I guess all of that makes me a criminal but I bought every single film I have, I don't have any pirated stuff at all, all the originals are in storage, I'm not interested in the pirate downloads, the quality sucks compared to the originals.

  38. Private property rights are a system of privilege by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

    And you try and tell the young people of today that... They won't believe you.

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  39. video game makers disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many PC games, such as Crysis, had a high rate of piracy. Consoles have strong copy protection measures. PC game sales are lower than those on consoles.

    1. Re:video game makers disagree by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Consoles have high piracy rates too, on the xbox 360 for instance there are several methods of modding which permit piracy but not homebrew such as flashing the drive or installing a drive emulator and both of these methods are extremely popular.

      PC game sales are lower because the platform is simply less convenient... Dealing with the hassle of the platform (eg drivers, updates, malware, etc) not to mention the cost of keeping the hardware up to date so that it can actually run modern games vs simply buying a fixed configuration console. You have a niche product for a few hardcore gamers. Consoles are mass market and cater to casual gamers, of which there are orders of magnitude more.

      Even piracy is easier on the consoles, it might require a hardware mod in some cases but its generally modded once and subsequent games are trivial to run vs installing individual cracks for each game.

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  40. Tor Books by Ragnar79 · · Score: 1

    That's why you should support companies like TOR books that are releasing all of their books DRM free.
    http://torbooks.co.uk/2012/04/25/tor-uk-ebook-titles-to-go-drm-free/

  41. Re:Cheap hardware mitigates... if you can get it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is sad.

  42. I would argue that it doesn't work by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

    From the article.

    Arguing that DRM doesn't work is, it turns out, missing the point. DRM is working really well in the video and book space.

    I refuse to buy an ebook with DRM. I don't even take the time to figure out how to get the free ones from the library. It would probably not work very well with my Android phone or, who knows what. In the end it doesn't even matter if it works great. I haven't tried it because of the DRM. It is much easier to download thousands of ebooks from bit torrent than it is to deal with the DRM. I don't know what reader I might have in 10 years, so purchase is right out.

    Movies are a little better because there is a single standard, well two actually, DVD and Blueray. But they both play on a Blueray player, so it is pretty easy to use them. I still prefer the copied disks though as you can remove the annoying forced to watch ads at the beginning. At this point I don't buy or download movies, I just watch Netflix. No commercials and no DRM that gets in the way. Plus, its just rental rather than owning, so worrying about a player for 10 years later is not an issue either.

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  43. Cheaper hardware by phorm · · Score: 1

    In fact, the hardware that doesn't have the so-called "security" is usually cheaper.
    Add region-logging, no-skip, and other crap simply adds to the cost of the device.

    Know any good blu-ray players that are similarly unlockable? I've found that Blu-ray is usually easier to deal with in that Region-1 includes most places I'd watch from anyways, but the DVD region-lock and no-skip is still a huge PITA.

  44. SanDisk e260 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have the SanDisk e260 (You can pick them up on E-bay for cheap). The battery lasts forever, it takes abuse, has a memory card expansion and it just works.
    I also have a sansa clip MP3 player, but I don't like that one as much because it's hard to navigate if I haven't build a playlist.

    The important thing for me is the expansion slot.

    I have a 32 GB memory card stuck in there. Has my whole MP3 library available. Including all my OTR shows (Escape, The Great Gildersleave, X-1, Dimension X, Fibber McGee and Molly, Johnny Dollar, Have Gun will travel).

    Look at the price difference between a 32 GB MP3 player and a 4GB MP3 player with Expansion card slot and a 32GB expansion card.

  45. What Socialism is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Fatal Conceit, by F. A. Hayek, is IMO the definitive work on answering that question.

  46. Reminds me of... by jlv · · Score: 1

    ... the "if you are a paying customer" vs. "If you are a pirate" graphic:
    http://i.imgur.com/GxzeV.jpg

  47. Amazon and Mobipocket by krischik · · Score: 1

    Another *not* surprise.

    At least for those who know the difference between the Mobipocket and #Kindle DRM.

    What to know: Just one byte the type flag is different. That is all. And now consider that Amazon owns Mobipocket.

    And last Previewnot least: Mobipocket DRM was already cracked when Amazon bought Mobipocket.

  48. It's relatively easy to remove iTunes DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you didn't already know about it, Requiem 4.1 removes iTunes DRM. I set up a dedicated VM with Windows Vista (might as well use the license I bought for something worth while) and iTunes 7 along with Requiem 4.1 and the latest version of Java. I ran it on my movie collection (several hundred movies all bought legally through iTunes) and TV collection (nearly a thousand episodes, all bought legally) and it successfully removed DRM from all the TV shows and all but 12 movies. The only movies it had problems with were very large 1080P versions (over 4GB file sizes). It's nice being able to play any movie or TV show with VLC over the network without zero stutter or dropped frames.

  49. Custom firmware would kill DRM overnight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arguing that DRM doesn't work is, it turns out, missing the point. DRM is working really well in the video and book space. Sure, the DRM systems have all been broken, but that doesn't matter to the DRM proponents. Licensed DVD players still enforce the restrictions. Mass market providers can't create unlicensed DVD players, so they remain a black or gray market curiosity.

    And this will continue to work in the content providers' favour until we see custom firmware released for mass market players, much like CyanogenMod has allowed many Android devices to unlock restrictions and be kept up-to-date despite their manufacturers REFUSING to release Android updates.

  50. DRM used to limit media distribution by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    My reaction to this article is... "no kidding". DRM is about limiting channels of distribution. For the majority of media produced today no distribution company is required. DRM is a mechanism which limits distribution of media to approved channels. This funnels media consumption through major distributors who consistently take a larger chunk of profit from a business that is approaching zero cost. They will complain and complain about recouping costs, but in reality their own costs are vanishing as we are the ones who actually pay for the bandwidth to deliver the content to ourselves. Devices with hard coded DRM restricts alternate channels of receiving media content and these are the channels that usually respect the true price of production and distribution. And these alternate channels are the ones that actually provide the most profit return directly to the people involved in the labor of production. The current system benefits a few people very well and makes lots of money for them. Alternate channels spread the profit over a much larger set of workers and artists and make it difficult for a few people to collect the majority of the money.

    In the future when major distributors finally die, we will see many more people making an actual living from their artistic efforts and far fewer superstars and mega corporations rolling in all the dough.