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Code.org Documentary Serving Multiple Agendas?

theodp writes "'Someday, and that day may never come,' Don Corleone says famously in The Godfather, 'I'll call upon you to do a service for me.' Back in 2010, filmmaker Lesley Chilcott produced Waiting for 'Superman', a controversial documentary that analyzed the failures of the American public education system, and presented charter schools as a glimmer of hope, including the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation-backed KIPP Los Angeles Prep. Gates himself was a 'Superman' cast member, lamenting how U.S. public schools are producing 'American Idiots' of no use to high tech firms like Microsoft, forcing them to 'go half-way around the world to recruit the engineers and programmers they needed.' So some found it strange that when Chilcott teamed up with Gates again three years later to make Code.org's documentary short What Most Schools Don't Teach, kids from KIPP Empower Academy were called upon to demonstrate that U.S. schoolchildren are still clueless about what computer programmers do. In a nice coincidence, the film went viral just as leaders of Google, Microsoft, and Facebook pressed President Obama and Congress on immigration reform, citing a dearth of U.S. programming talent. And speaking of coincidences, the lone teacher in the Code.org film (James, Teacher@Mount View Elementary), whose classroom was tapped by Code.org as a model for the nation's schools, is Seattle teacher Jamie Ewing, who took top honors in Microsoft's Partners in Learning (PiL) U.S. Forum last summer, earning him a spot on PiL's 'Team USA' and the chance to showcase his project at the Microsoft PiL Global Forum in Prague in November (82-page Conference Guide). Ironically, had Ewing stuck to teaching the kids Scratch programming, as he's shown doing in the Code.org documentary, Microsoft wouldn't have seen fit to send him to its blowout at 'absolutely amazingly beautiful' Prague Castle. Innovative teaching, at least according to Microsoft's rules, 'must include the use of one or more Microsoft technologies.' Fortunately, Ewing's project — described in his MSDN guest blog post — called for using PowerPoint and Skype. For the curious, here's Microsoft PiL's vision of what a classroom should be."

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  1. Exquisite Use(overuse) Of Hyper Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The near excessive use of hypertext in this article is precisely how HTML was envisioned to be.

    It's beautiful. /sniff

    1. Re:Exquisite Use(overuse) Of Hyper Text by bigwheel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Aw come on! So, the OP provided a lot of links and citations. This is supposed to be a good thing. If the underlines on the text are too difficult for you, then change your browser options.

    2. Re:Exquisite Use(overuse) Of Hyper Text by QilessQi · · Score: 4, Funny

      I... don't know where... to click... first...

      (keels over)

    3. Re:Exquisite Use(overuse) Of Hyper Text by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Aw come on! So, the OP provided a lot of links and citations.

      But at the expense of clarity. I have read it twice, and I still don't understand what he is trying to say. Does a discussion about education really need a link to the dialog of a movie about the mafia? Many of the other links are just as pointless.

    4. Re:Exquisite Use(overuse) Of Hyper Text by davydagger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the point is pretty clear.

      code.org is run by microsoft to promote microsoft products to little kids with government money, and to make sure kids grow up with microsoft approved coding habbits and ideas about programming, before they find alterantives.

      They are also trying to put a postive spin on outsourcing tech jobs to foriegners who already grew up exlcusively with the technology they gave them, to replace westerners who demand more money, and think independantly.

      This is all helped by a whole host of corporate artists, celebrities, and other proffesional astro-turfers.

    5. Re:Exquisite Use(overuse) Of Hyper Text by Zalbik · · Score: 3, Informative

      WTF? I'm gonna assume this was intended to be funny, but it's sitting at +3 Interesting

      1) Code.org is not run by microsoft. It's a non-profit founded by Hadi Partovi

      2) Code.org doesn't promote microsoft coding habits. I can't actually find any microsoft languages on their site.

      3) I'm not cetain who "they" refers to in the 3rd sentence, but Code.org doesn't have anything to say about outsourcing tech jobs. If it's referring to Microsoft, then Facebook, Yahoo, Google, Cisco and Intel also signed the letter requesting an overhaul of the tech visa system

      4) westerners who...think independently. Yep, that's some pretty "independent" thinking thinking you've got going there. It's so independent, it may form it's own little country with a flag and national anthem.

      5) This is all helped by a whole host of corporate artists, celebrities, and other proffesional astro-turfers. Huh?

      Sadly, as bat-sh-t crazy as your description was...it still made more sense than the article.

  2. Re:There is no shortage of American talent by Anarchy24 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And yet people freely share their information. For Zuckerberg, we aren't the customers, we're the product

  3. In English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can you translate this to English, Spanish, American or some language humans speak? I'm pretty sure it's valid HTML, but WTF?

    1. Re:In English by dhermann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would "some find it strange" that Chilcott and Gates, who worked together on Waiting for Superman, would work together again on another documentary, that highlights a more specific variation on the same theme? I don't get it.

  4. kids are as good as the parents make them by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    i have a kid in a NYC public school. one of the best elementary schools in the city. i also talk to people who have kids in other schools or work in other schools.

    the curriculum is the same. the kids are not.
    in my school the kindergarten kids at a minimum know the alphabet on the first day of kindergarten. most of the kids in my son's class already know how to read simple books when they come in to kindergarten. by the end of kindergarten all the kids in my son's school are expected to read Scholastic Level F books
    i have talked to people and there are first graders in some schools who don't know the alphabet.

    if you want smart kids, make them smart. some days my five year old only watches documentaries on netflix and no cartoons.

    1. Re:kids are as good as the parents make them by dinfinity · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do they teach proper capitalization in your son's kindergarten?

    2. Re:kids are as good as the parents make them by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yep.

      I went through several different public schools (family moved a lot). I found that the brightness of the students, and reputation/"quality" of the school, had more to do with their parents than the school. Some areas had demographics where the students were taught by their parents they couldn't expect to do more than flip burgers at McGhetto, or if they were lucky, become managers. Other schools, with similar quality teaching, had parents who taught their kids that they could make something of their life, with an education.

      The thing about private/charter schools is that they require an effort to join them - that right there makes them self-selecting against bad parents. Not always, I have some friends that went to a mediocre charter school, that didn't teach evolution (which is the sole reason why some parents sent them there, not for concerns about other aspects of quality of education), and others who went to some of the better charter schools (they do teach evolution, or at least didn't put a point on avoiding it).

      Yep, anecdotal, but there seem to be a lot of others that have noticed this. The problem isn't the schools, it's the parents.

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    3. Re:kids are as good as the parents make them by delt0r · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know i couldn't read or write in kindergarten. I learnt that from 5 in primary school. I was top in high school and am now a scientist. Seriously what difference does it make to a bloody 5 year old? So you can teach em calculus at 6?

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    4. Re:kids are as good as the parents make them by Dputiger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're aware that teen pregnancies in the United States are down 41% since 1990, right?

      Or that 48% of US families contain at least one multi-generational adult (blowing your whole "Single woman only" idea out of the water?)
      http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/03/18/the-return-of-the-multi-generational-family-household/

      26% of children live with one parent. If you're going to single out that trend as being generally responsible for the decline of American...everything,despite the fact that it's a minority of total family arrangements, you really ought to highlight the fact that of that 26^% group, 26% of *them* are being raised by fathers, while 74% are raised by their mothers. You pour out plenty of vitriol on those "selfish" single women, but don't even blink at the selfish men who are raising kids on their own.

      As I see it, you've got two options: Revise your previous post to be equally offensive, stupid, and insulting to both women and men, or adopt an opinion that reflects objective reality and requires a basic grasp of math.

  5. messy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What a crapton of links in an article.... i have no idea what the point was either.

    i guess i'll just go with the standard WE HATE MICROSOFT.

  6. Come on -- is anyone surprized here by bpechter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How could anyone find it surprising that a corporation is promoting use of it's own products. Please. Actually, Microsoft's got a couple of good products that I've used and been happy with. One's Microsoft Lync which we use at work to do messaging, desktop sharing etc. I just wished there was a linux client for the thing. It would make my life much better.

    I'm Linux/Unix guy for a living but I do admit Microsoft makes some reasonable products. I wish the corporate lock-in was not as bad as it is and I wish they published docs documenting all their file formats for interoperability. They have made some strides in the last couple of years.

  7. Re:Good luck being a programmer by Tony · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know about that. Everyone on /. seems to be a fuckin' critic, yet critics still have jobs.

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  8. there's no conspiracy by markhahn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it's up to us.

    we're the ones who will provide the protocols that would permit the sorts of activities mentioned here to take place in a non-proprietary manner. sure, companies like microsoft seek to dominate their markets, and view lock-in one of the available tools. that's because we let them. we as a society have set up companies to be driven entirely by profit, and have not arranged our legal system to distinguish between proprietary and open systems.

    look at tcp/ip, the single most successful open standard in the universe. it didn't just spring fully formed and without peers - there was lots of competition. it won because a few of the companies (and educational institutions and even government) found ways to make it into a world-scale protocol. companies get it if you say "interop is a non-negotiable precondition to purchase". government rightly gets involved not only as significant sales targets themselves, but also when they say (or should), that any utility-type monopolies granted must conform to non-proprietary standards.

    imagine if mobile data service was non-proprietary: your phone simply negotiated a 5 minute service contract with the set of carriers it could detect at the moment, wherever you happen to be. (voice and text would simply layer over data, of course.) yes, that sort of thing is obvious to any techie as The Right Way, but it's our fault that the public has gone along the proprietary route: we need to speak up.

    business tries to get away with whatever it can - that's just economic darwinism. we just need to set the rules.

  9. Re:There is no shortage of American talent by qwe4rty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Depends...is your name Robin Hood?

  10. Re:There is no shortage of American talent by alen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OMG, he made a product that most people liked and bought it

  11. Innovative my ass by misanthropic.mofo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Innovative teaching, at least according to Microsoft's rules, 'must include the use of one or more Microsoft technologies.'

    This is no surprise, whether it's a requirement of theirs or not, it sure seems to be standard practice. It causes big problems though, people running the program, like those in charge of the department of computer science at my school, come to push MS products for everything and pigeon hole students into the MS technologies. It's amazing just how many students there are that have used MS all their lives, but are still inept at using even the Windows command line, FSM forbid that you present them with anything else. Innovative teaching of technology in grade school - university should involve a variety of technologies and platforms, especially in secondary education.

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  12. Re:Lots of beating around the bush by Looker_Device · · Score: 3, Informative

    He's saying that a lot of this "U.S. schools are awful, just awful" stuff is propaganda, funded by U.S. tech firms in an effort to import more H1B-visa indentured servants to save money.

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  13. Re:Good luck being a programmer by mjr167 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Then get another job... Seriously. If what you do is so simple that any idiot can do it, then you should be worried. Don't piss on people trying to make their lives better because you are too lazy to stay competitive.

  14. Re:There is no shortage of American talent by VGPowerlord · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gates was lucky but he's also a really smart guy.

    Really? Whenever I read stuff about Microsoft's early years, it seems like Paul Allen was the smart guy.

    You know, the guy Gates and Ballmer forced out in the 80s when he had cancer?

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  15. Re:There is no shortage of American talent by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Depends...is your name Robin Hood?

    No, señor, it's Carlos.

    Mexican drug lords are often viewed as heroes because of how they bestow largess on the poor.

  16. Re:There is no shortage of American talent by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are aware Gates was a dropout right?

    He made his business based on family connections at IBM.

  17. Re:Lots of beating around the bush by Pope · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "US schools are awful" is mostly being said by people who have friends investing or running charter schools. Follow the money.

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  18. Re:The 'S' Is Capitalized by hawguy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do they teach proper capitalization in your son's kindergarten?

    Suck my dick.

    From what I hear in the news, they do teach that in public schools.

  19. Re:There is no shortage of American talent by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gates wrote a reasonable amount of Microsoft BASIC, which was the product that put the company on the map. He also used family connections to sell it to IBM, along with an operating system that they hadn't yet written, which implies a reasonable amount of sales skill, if not necessarily implying intelligence. He also designed and implemented the FAT filesystem in PC DOS (which later became MS DOS). Oh, and he published a paper on the optimal algorithm for flipping pancakes (which sounds silly, but is actually used in a number networking tasks). He's definitely intelligent.

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  20. Re:There is no shortage of American talent by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

    He dropped out of college, but because he decided to found Microsoft. He did not get kicked out, and he didn't get to Harvard by being an idiot.

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