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Apple Yanks "Sweatshop Themed" Game From App Store

First time accepted submitter danhuby writes "Apple have removed sweatshop-themed game Sweatshop HD by UK developers LittleLoud from their app store citing clause 16.1 — 'Apps that present excessively objectionable or crude content will be rejected.' According to the PocketGamer article, Littleloud's head of games, Simon Parkin, told Pocket Gamer that 'Apple removed Sweatshop from the App Store last month stating that it was uncomfortable selling a game based around the theme of running a sweatshop.'"

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  1. Game Dev Story by Akratist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then how did Game Dev Story get approved??

    1. Re:Game Dev Story by earlzdotnet · · Score: 2
      Zing! Seriously looks like about the exact same style of game. Next up for x story game, `porn story`. I can see it now...

      You're a single mother trying to put your kid through college...

    2. Re:Game Dev Story by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It was probably fine until someone noticed that it was very much like a Foxconn facility. The "objectionable" in their approval terms is pretty loose and doesn't mention who the app has to be "objectionable" to.

    3. Re:Game Dev Story by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 2

      Couldn't they then just say it is a training program?

    4. Re:Game Dev Story by bhagwad · · Score: 4, Funny

      No biggie. The developer can just offer it for download on their site like Adblock is doing after Google kicked them from their Play store.

      Oh wait...

    5. Re:Game Dev Story by mabhatter654 · · Score: 5, Funny

      But then its competing directly with an Apple "product".

    6. Re:Game Dev Story by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dear sir;

      In the future, please refrain from comparing 80 hours a week spent hacking out a video game to 80 hours a week spent standing and endlessly performing the same repetitive task in a factory filled with noise, toxic chemicals and dangerous industrial equipment.

      Cordially yours,

      The Real World

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    7. Re:Game Dev Story by Looker_Device · · Score: 4, Funny

      Obviously, you've never worked at EA.

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  2. Apple by bradgoodman · · Score: 5, Funny

    What, so only APPLE is allowed to run a sweatshop?

    1. Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, requirements of FoxConn. Not FoxConn's subcontractors.

      Inspectors go in, FoxConn guy says "Oh no, these are workers of PhantomCorp, not our employees" and the Inspector goes the other way.

      PS, Angry Birds smashing pigs? That makes me uncomfortable! Very uncomfortable!

    2. Re:Apple by epiphani · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Nope. This exact thing has happened before - except it was Nike, not Apple:

      http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blnike.htm

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    3. Re:Apple by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What, so only APPLE is allowed to run a sweatshop?

      No, no, no. Apple doesn't run any sweatshops.

      They contract that out. That way, they can be shocked - shocked! - to learn that their third party contractors are running sweatshops and hiring children. Plus they can "drop" the manufacturers who hire children, just to rehire them under a different name when people stop paying attention.

      Plus, Apple's contractors have the best suicide-prevention nets in the industry! Who needs "livable working conditions" when you have suicide prevention nets?

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    4. Re:Apple by Tx · · Score: 3, Informative

      They probably have a patent on it.

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    5. Re:Apple by Dishevel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Killing people is less offensive to Apple than not paying people enough.

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  3. The definition of PC by LordKaT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it makes you feel uncomfortable, force people to stop talking about it. The definition of political correctness!

    1. Re:The definition of PC by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not really though. The original intent of political correctness was to provide a way for people to be self-critical about the subtle biases that they engage in when they speak.

      When you say "black" as a description of someone, for example, your description carries with it connotations that aren't necessarily true, especially since in western culture the word black is historically associated with evil(i.e. black magic, black death, black mark, blacklist, etc.). Political correctness has never been legally forced on anyone, and it's a straw-man to call it "forcing" people to do things. The social judgement people get for failing to be politically correct is no different than the judgement that people get for being rude.

      I won't say political correctness has never been about people being offended, because many people invoking the concept have as poor an understanding of it as you do, but that's not the point.

    2. Re:The definition of PC by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

      [citation needed]

      No really. That seems like the sort of thing that, in the U.S. might just happen to have a constitutional limitation that the courts might just invoke. I'd love to see a court case where a judge ruled that "non-PC" speech was somehow a violation of a federal or state statute.

      I'm not saying it wouldn't ever be brought up in court: It could be relevant character evidence in another crime, so I'm not looking for examples of that, but of any sort of standing conviction that isn't completely made up.

    3. Re:The definition of PC by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Yet the tea-party movement being labeled as racist is about the only similar effect I can think of going the other way, and that had limited traction.

      Teabaggers what what?

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    4. Re:The definition of PC by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      the word black is historically associated with evil

      It's also been associated with entirely neutral things, such as the colour black, a surname, the name of a particular type of shrubby tree (blackthorn), certain fruits (blackcurrant, bleckberry), working with iron (blacksmith), certain birds (blackbird) and so on. And it's also been associated with good: the traditional choice of colour for the clergy is black robes.

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    5. Re:The definition of PC by garett_spencley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any time you have a movement or an ideology that affects people who don't share that ideology you see outrage. That outrage often comes with straw-man tactics used in discourse.

      I can think of many examples of so-called "right wing" or "conservative" ideologies that are on the receiving end. The "pro-life" movement is one example. To most who are "pro-life" the issue that is that life begins at conception and so an abortion is literally murder. But many on the "pro-choice" side have accused the "pro-life" crowd of hating women and wanting to enslave them. That's a very blatant straw-man argument from my point of view. And FWIW, I'm probably more "pro-choice" than most.

      Fiscal conservatism receives straw-man arguments all the time. Whenever people accuse a fiscal conservative of being "on the side of the wealthy" or "greedy", whenever someone claims that libertarianism is "anarchy for rich people" those are straw-men arguments.

    6. Re:The definition of PC by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

      Charlize Theron is, in the literal sense, an African American. But I'd never refer to her as such, because, well, 'African American' carries as much preconceived baggage as 'black 'does.

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    7. Re:The definition of PC by garett_spencley · · Score: 2

      It is exactly, every one bit, a "straw man" argument because not one single person is making any of the claims that you are saying they make. You are building up an argument for the sake of tearing it down. That is a "straw man" by very definition.

      Your post shows a complete lack of having even read my paragraph, which clearly stated that to many abortion is about preventing a murder, and has nothing to do with "wanting the woman to do anything." To them it is about preventing a wrong, not enforcing a particular behaviour or forcing a woman to do anything. And once again, that is THEIR position, not mine. I am probably more "pro choice" than most on the pro-choice side.

  4. Thinking??? by Carnivore24 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "challenged people to think about the origin of the clothes we buy" Challenging people to think is one of the main things an Apple user is not allowed to do. Makes sense if you think about it.

  5. That's what makes them uncomfortable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I should think the objectionable thing would be the existence of those sweatshops. It's apparently just talking about them that is offensive? If we just look the other way and pretend they don't exist, then everything is peachy?

  6. Re:Asking for it by tech.kyle · · Score: 2

    Not if it's so popular, it makes people want to buy your phone even more. If millions of people loved "Sweatshop HD", Apple would conveniently forget their clause. Rule of Acquisition number 202. The justification for profit is profit.

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  7. Seattle Rex said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Increasingly, Apple is not for doâ(TM)ers. It is not for power users. It is not for creators. It is not for people who think different. It is for posers. It is for hipsters. It is for metrosexuals. It is for wannabes and pretenders."

  8. Oooh, I know a game... by digitalhermit · · Score: 4, Funny

    This game will be called "Patent War"...
    The object is to collect as many patents growing around the landscape stuff them in your pocket. The more patents you collect, the better are your chances against the Innovation Monster. Defeat the Innovation Monster and collect Gold Coins. Use the Gold Coins to buy Senators who can help build fences to keep the Innovation Monster away. Once you level up, defeat the Consumer Rights Beast and collect even more Gold Coins and even the Vorpal DRM which can stave off the Indie Media Goblin and the DIY Music Devil.

  9. Typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Kill hundreds of thousands of virtual people in videogames? No prob! Force them to work in a sweatshop? That makes me a little uncomfortable.

  10. Walled Garden by stevegee58 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Welcome to the walled garden where everything is beautiful inside and you're protected from the ugly outside world (by the gardener's definition).

  11. PlantationVille still a go by theurge14 · · Score: 2

    What could possibly go wrong?

  12. Too close to home. by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, a game called "5 minutes to kill yourself" (and the wedding day edition) is okay, but a game where you run a sweatshop isn't? I'm guessing the top tier goal of the sweatshop game had the workers building iGlasses for an unnamed American corporation.

  13. Confidential guidelines by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A leaked version of the App Store Review Guidelines already contains a ban on realistic violence.

    But the real problem with the App Store Review Guidelines is that they're confidential, intended only for current developers, not for prospective developers. Say someone has been developing applications for PCs and Android devices as a hobby, and he wants to try developing a few applications for the iPhone or iPad. Before he spends over $1,000 on a Mac, an iPad, and a developer license, how can he be sure that Apple won't reject his applications' concepts?

  14. Re:Block this dick from posting by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    You say that like it a bad thing. Doesn't matter. Censorship is bad... I am quite capable of filtering what I see myself. And I don't care if the mods disagree.

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  15. Re:Android by PyroMosh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I agree with you in principal (the ability to run whatever I wish is one of the reasons I use Android and avoid iOS myself), in practice, what you describe is the same on both platforms.

    If I'm selling a commercial app, even on Android, the built-in store is more or less the only avenue to making money. Google's store has rules just like Apple's does.

    Sure I can sell through Amazon or some of the other third parties instead. But this obviously greatly diminishes my potential market (and they will likely have similar rules too). What percent of Android users ever install a third party store? What percent are even aware they can do so?

    If you're talking about commercially selling software to sideload, the problem is even worse. Most users have no idea this is possible. So in effect, if you're investing a lot of money into a project and Google says "no", the results aren't much different from Apple saying "no".

  16. When the rules are paywalled by tepples · · Score: 2

    So Apple is enforcing their rules which they've openly and clearly published

    When I tried to view the rules on Apple.com, it asked me to log in with an Apple ID. Where should a prospective developer view these rules before spending four figures on a Mac, an iPad, and a developer license?

    1. Re:When the rules are paywalled by rvw · · Score: 3, Informative

      So Apple is enforcing their rules which they've openly and clearly published

      When I tried to view the rules on Apple.com, it asked me to log in with an Apple ID. Where should a prospective developer view these rules before spending four figures on a Mac, an iPad, and a developer license?

      You can create your apple id for free, without using an ipad or mac.

  17. iPhone 6 has airco by rvw · · Score: 2

    Just got confirmation that the iPhone 6 has airco built in. So sweat is no longer an option and will be banned from the Appstore.

  18. Product Development is full of risk. by Roogna · · Score: 2

    No amount of money (And $1k is nothing when talking product development), guarantees returns. So in this case, Apple rejecting the concepts is just another risk to add onto the list.

    If it's the straw that breaks the camel's back, then pick a different platform to develop the concept for. Except every other platform carries it's own risks and benefits.

  19. Re:Block this dick from posting by DrXym · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There is a difference between censorship and moderation. I see no issue with slashdot insta-modding particular kinds of post down to -1, without requiring human mods to do it, e.g. anything linking to goatsex for example or posts with certain keywords that appear within 30 minutes of a story going live.

    They could even rank it down to a -2 which is only visible to the randomly designated mods so they can rescue posts that end up there without subjecting everyone else to that shit.

  20. Re:Block this dick from posting by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is a perfectly workable system already in place that relies on, rather than centralised censorship, crowd-sourced moderation. Unfortunately, it's ruined by chumps who reply to to the trolls, thus bringing otherwise rapidly hidden posts to the attention of all and sundry.

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  21. Re:Tapper? by vux984 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about the Tapper game that's been around since the dawn of time ...

    You do realize Tapper was reworked to use Root Beer in most of its iterations including a version for Arcades, the version for Coleco and Atari, and even the version on Xbox Live all are "Rootbeer Tapper"... even the Tapper scene in "Wreck it Ralph"; looks like the original Tapper game, but the Bud logo is not present, and you can clearly hear a patron interrupt Tapper to order a Root Beer.

    Probably not the best example.

  22. Adding this artificial risk by tepples · · Score: 2

    So in this case, Apple rejecting the concepts is just another risk to add onto the list.

    How does adding this artificial risk benefit Apple in a way that just publishing the Guidelines does not?

  23. Streisand Effect by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Never heard of Sweatshop HD before this...

    Now I MUST PLAY IT!!!!

    Good work, Apple, the dev couldn't pay for this kind of publicity.

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  24. Having a free Apple ID is not enough by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can create your apple id for free

    I just logged in with my Apple ID, and it told me "Sorry, you cannot access this page. The Apple ID you signed in with does not have permission to view this page."

  25. Simply rename the App! by HycoWhit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sweatshop HD is such a crude and offensive name. The game simply needs to be renamed: Foxconn Fun or iFactory, maybe Making Apples...

  26. Re:fuck apple and their shitty products by geminidomino · · Score: 2

    Let's be fair.

    He was "just a fucking guy who marketed technology to the mundanes."

    And the truth is that he was a genius at that. No, he wasn't "innovative", he sure as hell wasn't "a visionary," but he did succeed at selling what were "geek toys" to hipsters, who are always willing to pay a premium.

    MP3s, tablets, smartphones: they were all around long before Apple made its "contributions" to the market[0] , and usually done better, but they never got sold to the "Any Key" crowd.

    So let the Followers of Jobs have their worship. Even if they are just worshiping a marketroid, he was a good one.

    [0]Newton was an exception, in that it was very, very much a geek toy and was a flop.

  27. After the first few hours of a discussion by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why bother requiring intervention - just get rank it down and let a mod rescue it if and only if it was somehow relevant.

    I can think of three reasons.

    First, moderators tend not to rescue posts after the first few hours of a discussion.

    Second, users can set a threshold on whether replies show up in their Message Center. An on-topic reply to one's comment that's robo-modded due to forbidden keywords might never show up. I, for one, depend on Message Center for notifications of replies to my comments.

    Third, Slashdot karma works on a percentage scale. Each "In" moderation adds 2 percent, and each negative moderation takes away 2 percent. (Funny appears to do nothing.) Only users with "Excellent" karma (over 50%) get to post with the bonus, which is essential to keep late-discussion comments visible. A post at 1 that's robo-modded down to -1 due to forbidden keywords takes away 4% karma.

  28. Re:Port it to the Mac by Looker_Device · · Score: 2

    How hard would it be to port the game to the Mac and offer it for download?

    Not as hard as it would be for iPhone and iPad users to carry around Mac laptops in their pockets just to play this game.

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  29. Currently develop with vs. plan to develop with by tepples · · Score: 2

    You should be able to see the rules for free by joining the Apple Developer program.

    In the interest of fairness to iOS, I'm trying to build an accurate walkthrough to do so. So I logged in using my Apple ID, got "Sorry, you cannot access this page.", clicked Member Center, and then under "Professional Profile", I selected Games as the primary market, and got this:

    [Stop sign] Please correct the errors noted below.
    You must select at least one Apple platform with which you develop.

    Which Apple platforms do you develop with? Select all that apply.

    [ ] iOS
    [ ] Mac OS X
    [ ] Safari

    It appears one is required to have already bought a Mac in order to truthfully complete this page of the Apple Developer Registration form, as Apple has confirmed discontinuation of Safari for Windows. Seeing "Legal agreement" as the next step and remembering "you warrant and represent" clauses in other sites' TOS, I'm trying to be careful not to lie on this form. Can I safely assume that "you develop with" was a typo for "you plan to develop with"?

    Sincerity mode please; I'm trying to be fair to Apple, so please be fair to me.