Apple Yanks "Sweatshop Themed" Game From App Store

Game Dev Story by Akratist · 2013-03-21 03:18 · Score: 3, Insightful

Then how did Game Dev Story get approved??

Re:Game Dev Story by earlzdotnet · 2013-03-21 03:21 · Score: 2

Zing! Seriously looks like about the exact same style of game. Next up for x story game, `porn story`. I can see it now...

You're a single mother trying to put your kid through college...
Re:Game Dev Story by Nerdfest · 2013-03-21 03:21 · Score: 5, Insightful

It was probably fine until someone noticed that it was very much like a Foxconn facility. The "objectionable" in their approval terms is pretty loose and doesn't mention who the app has to be "objectionable" to.
Re:Game Dev Story by ILongForDarkness · 2013-03-21 03:48 · Score: 2

Couldn't they then just say it is a training program?
Re:Game Dev Story by bhagwad · 2013-03-21 04:02 · Score: 4, Funny

No biggie. The developer can just offer it for download on their site like Adblock is doing after Google kicked them from their Play store.
Oh wait...
Re:Game Dev Story by mabhatter654 · 2013-03-21 04:39 · Score: 5, Funny

But then its competing directly with an Apple "product".
Re:Game Dev Story by pushing-robot · 2013-03-21 05:16 · Score: 4, Insightful

Dear sir;
In the future, please refrain from comparing 80 hours a week spent hacking out a video game to 80 hours a week spent standing and endlessly performing the same repetitive task in a factory filled with noise, toxic chemicals and dangerous industrial equipment.
Cordially yours,
The Real World

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Re:Game Dev Story by Looker_Device · 2013-03-21 06:09 · Score: 4, Funny

Obviously, you've never worked at EA.

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Re:Game Dev Story by bill_mcgonigle · 2013-03-21 07:37 · Score: 1

So, change up the graphics to make the game look and play just like an iDevice factory. Call it iFactory. Make Apple reject a game that honestly mirrors their own business practices.

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Apple by bradgoodman · 2013-03-21 03:20 · Score: 5, Funny

What, so only APPLE is allowed to run a sweatshop?

Re:Apple by emagery · 2013-03-21 03:23 · Score: 1

Yeah, seems a bit two-faced, huh? To be fair, Apple has the strictest pro-labor requirements of places like Foxconn out of all of Foxconn's clients... but they're still terribly lax and sweat-shoppy. I think they are more concerned with people making this kind of connection than 'objectional content,' seeing as how violence in games (while not as controversial as many claim) could just as easily be considered far more 'uncomfortable' a reality to confront than sweatshops.
Re:Apple by Anonymous Coward · 2013-03-21 03:31 · Score: 3, Insightful

Yeah, requirements of FoxConn. Not FoxConn's subcontractors.
Inspectors go in, FoxConn guy says "Oh no, these are workers of PhantomCorp, not our employees" and the Inspector goes the other way.
PS, Angry Birds smashing pigs? That makes me uncomfortable! Very uncomfortable!
Re:Apple by epiphani · 2013-03-21 03:31 · Score: 4, Interesting

Nope. This exact thing has happened before - except it was Nike, not Apple:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blnike.htm

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Re:Apple by _xeno_ · 2013-03-21 03:39 · Score: 5, Insightful

What, so only APPLE is allowed to run a sweatshop?
No, no, no. Apple doesn't run any sweatshops.
They contract that out. That way, they can be shocked - shocked! - to learn that their third party contractors are running sweatshops and hiring children. Plus they can "drop" the manufacturers who hire children, just to rehire them under a different name when people stop paying attention.
Plus, Apple's contractors have the best suicide-prevention nets in the industry! Who needs "livable working conditions" when you have suicide prevention nets?

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Re:Apple by Tx · 2013-03-21 04:01 · Score: 3, Informative

They probably have a patent on it.

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Re:Apple by coniferous · 2013-03-21 04:09 · Score: 1

Same thing happens here too. Big telcos hire out the installations to contractors (usually lowest bid) then dump them when the smallest thing happens.
Re:Apple by SilentStaid · 2013-03-21 04:32 · Score: 1

What, so only APPLE is allowed to run a sweatshop?
I think that this is obviously just Apple getting too big and attempting to throw its weight around to reduce competition. Of course, I could just be comparing Apple$ to Oranges... or Micro$oft.
Re:Apple by Dishevel · 2013-03-21 04:47 · Score: 2, Insightful

Killing people is less offensive to Apple than not paying people enough.

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Re:Apple by gnasher719 · 2013-03-21 06:43 · Score: 1

Inspectors go in, FoxConn guy says "Oh no, these are workers of PhantomCorp, not our employees" and the Inspector goes the other way.
I wonder what evidence you have for this. BTW, Apple performs audits at Foxconn and right now about 150 subcontractors, and at least two companies lost their contracts after an audit.
Re:Apple by arekin · 2013-03-21 07:28 · Score: 1

Believe me when I say that contracted installers for telcos are nothing like sweatshops. For starters while lacking the in house benefits they actually make more for their services because they are paid per job and not per hour. This is why people complain about contracted installers, often they rush the job to make more.

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Re:Apple by Applekid · 2013-03-21 07:55 · Score: 1

Wow, you substituted a dollar sign for the 's'. That is pretty cool and original!
Eh, he missed a few. I'm not impressed.

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The definition of PC by LordKaT · 2013-03-21 03:22 · Score: 5, Insightful

If it makes you feel uncomfortable, force people to stop talking about it. The definition of political correctness!

Re:The definition of PC by i+kan+reed · 2013-03-21 03:45 · Score: 4, Insightful

It's not really though. The original intent of political correctness was to provide a way for people to be self-critical about the subtle biases that they engage in when they speak.
When you say "black" as a description of someone, for example, your description carries with it connotations that aren't necessarily true, especially since in western culture the word black is historically associated with evil(i.e. black magic, black death, black mark, blacklist, etc.). Political correctness has never been legally forced on anyone, and it's a straw-man to call it "forcing" people to do things. The social judgement people get for failing to be politically correct is no different than the judgement that people get for being rude.
I won't say political correctness has never been about people being offended, because many people invoking the concept have as poor an understanding of it as you do, but that's not the point.
Re:The definition of PC by Anonymous Coward · 2013-03-21 03:48 · Score: 1

Doesn't apply, we are talking about Macs here.
Re:The definition of PC by malkavian · 2013-03-21 03:54 · Score: 1

The problem being that many of the people invoking it, and not having a real understanding of it, manage to get other people in court and charged with offenses anyway.
Re:The definition of PC by i+kan+reed · 2013-03-21 04:04 · Score: 2

[citation needed]
No really. That seems like the sort of thing that, in the U.S. might just happen to have a constitutional limitation that the courts might just invoke. I'd love to see a court case where a judge ruled that "non-PC" speech was somehow a violation of a federal or state statute.
I'm not saying it wouldn't ever be brought up in court: It could be relevant character evidence in another crime, so I'm not looking for examples of that, but of any sort of standing conviction that isn't completely made up.
Re:The definition of PC by interkin3tic · 2013-03-21 04:08 · Score: 1, Insightful

It's strange how so many liberal movements get marginalized by such straw-man tactics, but conservative movements don't. Feminism, global warming, PC speech, socialism, environmentalism, the occupy movement. All become dirty words to what seems like most of the country. Yet the tea-party movement being labeled as racist is about the only similar effect I can think of going the other way, and that had limited traction.

I wonder why that is. I'm tempted to chalk it up to a Bertrand Russel quote: "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." But that would probably be hypocritical.
Re:The definition of PC by drinkypoo · 2013-03-21 04:19 · Score: 2

Yet the tea-party movement being labeled as racist is about the only similar effect I can think of going the other way, and that had limited traction.

Teabaggers what what?

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Re:The definition of PC by serviscope_minor · 2013-03-21 04:46 · Score: 2

the word black is historically associated with evil
It's also been associated with entirely neutral things, such as the colour black, a surname, the name of a particular type of shrubby tree (blackthorn), certain fruits (blackcurrant, bleckberry), working with iron (blacksmith), certain birds (blackbird) and so on. And it's also been associated with good: the traditional choice of colour for the clergy is black robes.

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Re:The definition of PC by garett_spencley · 2013-03-21 04:59 · Score: 4, Insightful

Any time you have a movement or an ideology that affects people who don't share that ideology you see outrage. That outrage often comes with straw-man tactics used in discourse.
I can think of many examples of so-called "right wing" or "conservative" ideologies that are on the receiving end. The "pro-life" movement is one example. To most who are "pro-life" the issue that is that life begins at conception and so an abortion is literally murder. But many on the "pro-choice" side have accused the "pro-life" crowd of hating women and wanting to enslave them. That's a very blatant straw-man argument from my point of view. And FWIW, I'm probably more "pro-choice" than most.
Fiscal conservatism receives straw-man arguments all the time. Whenever people accuse a fiscal conservative of being "on the side of the wealthy" or "greedy", whenever someone claims that libertarianism is "anarchy for rich people" those are straw-men arguments.
Re:The definition of PC by interkin3tic · 2013-03-21 05:05 · Score: 1

You make a very good point about abortion, that definitely would have been a much stronger of it happening to the right than the tea-party.

Financial conservatism on the other hand, there are straw men against it, but that hasn't hampered it in the least. I'm saying the left seems paralyzed by them, while the right shakes them off, not that people don't make straw men against everything they oppose.
Re:The definition of PC by David_Hart · 2013-03-21 05:20 · Score: 1

Fiscal conservatism receives straw-man arguments all the time. Whenever people accuse a fiscal conservative of being "on the side of the wealthy" or "greedy", whenever someone claims that libertarianism is "anarchy for rich people" those are straw-men arguments.
No one accuses fiscal conservatives of being "on the side of the wealthy" or "greedy". People accuse Republicans of being "on the side of the wealthy" or "greedy" while also assuming that they are conservatives, which they used to be. Very few Republicans seem to be fiscal conservatives these days.
Re:The definition of PC by FreeFire · 2013-03-21 05:24 · Score: 1

And being in the black financially is a good thing.
Re:The definition of PC by i+kan+reed · 2013-03-21 05:37 · Score: 1

I won't argue that words aren't complex. But there being neutral words associated with the color black doesn't alter the fact that the definitions of the word black, in the English dictionary, includes this entry: connected with or invoking the supernatural and especially the devil. That's a hell of a thing to attach to a whole group of people, even incidentally.
There's also more than just connotations to consider, though. That was only part of the idea that I happened to bring up for the sake of brevity. It also reduces the cultural notion race to an approximation of skin color.
Re:The definition of PC by Anonymous Coward · 2013-03-21 05:44 · Score: 1

won't argue that words aren't complex. But there being neutral words associated with the color black doesn't alter the fact that the definitions of the word black, in the English dictionary, includes this entry: connected with or invoking the supernatural and especially the devil. That's a hell of a thing to attach to a whole group of people, even incidentally.
I agree. In order to neutralize our speech, we should call black people a more neutral term like "coloreds" or "negroes". We cannot use the term "African American" because in the English language that carries the unfortunate connotation of "the speaker is a complete arsehole".
Re:The definition of PC by serviscope_minor · 2013-03-21 06:00 · Score: 1

But there being neutral words associated with the color black doesn't alter the fact that the definitions of the word black, in the English dictionary, includes this entry: connected with or invoking the supernatural and especially the devil. That's a hell of a thing to attach to a whole group of people, even incidentally.
Like you said: words are complex. Words have multiple meaning. Outside of the area of race, people don't seem to have a problem distinguishing them, and correctly dismissing any supposed link.
We do not, for instance even incedentally associate red heads with Communist revoloutionaries.
It also reduces the cultural notion race to an approximation of skin color.
Except that skin colour is the most obvious indicators of race. It's not 100% definitive, but it does give a lot of information.

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Re:The definition of PC by 0xdeadbeef · 2013-03-21 06:01 · Score: 1

The original intent of political correctness was to provide a way for people to be self-critical about the subtle biases that they engage in when they speak.
No, it wasn't.
Re:The definition of PC by i+kan+reed · 2013-03-21 06:21 · Score: 1

You're talking about the term. I'm talking about the thing itself, which predates the stupid politically invented slur. That isn't really a correction.
Re:The definition of PC by 0xdeadbeef · 2013-03-21 06:29 · Score: 1

But many on the "pro-choice" side have accused the "pro-life" crowd of hating women and wanting to enslave them.
This is exactly the bullshit you're against. You're arguing against hyperbole with more hyperbole, as you've framed it as if the pro-choice side literally believes the pro-life wishes women hurt and wants them in chains.
The point of that hyberbole is to make people consider the difference between stated intent and actual intent and actual results. They may say they want to save fetuses from murder, but the effect is actual harm against women and the government control of their bodies, akin to slavery. They say they are motivated by a religious belief that human life is sacred, but they are also motivated by religious patriarchy and a desire to enforce the consequences of sexual sin, dogma which derives from a historical hatred of women.
Re:The definition of PC by tragedy · 2013-03-21 06:41 · Score: 1

I thought the original intent of political correctness was to terrify military officers into obeying orders and never criticizing the administration for fear of imprisonment or death and that the term somehow got twisted into other uses.
Re:The definition of PC by interkin3tic · 2013-03-21 06:48 · Score: 1

I was trying not to be stupid. Why, am I supposed to pretend that I'm one or the other and have no control over it?
Re:The definition of PC by dkleinsc · 2013-03-21 06:50 · Score: 1

And it's also been associated with good: the traditional choice of colour for the clergy is black robes.
Umm, I don't think you're supporting your own argument very well here, given what's been going on in the Catholic church recently.

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Re:The definition of PC by nebosuke · 2013-03-21 06:54 · Score: 1

This is off-topic, I know you were half joking, and this is not particularly aimed at you, but it irritates me when I see that quote.
The typical application of that quote only indicates that you are intelligent enough to understand your shortcomings but not sufficiently intelligent to be able to understand and internalize the notion that rational action based on the knowledge, understanding, and insight that you do possess will result in better outcomes than either chronic indecision or irrational behavior justified by lack of perfect knowledge. I.e., it only holds if you fall into a sort of 'uncanny valley' of intelligence where you're just smart enough to be your own worst enemy. As my parents used to say, "Smart enough to be dangerous, but not enough to be useful."
If you are intelligent enough to understand that your doubts are actually a useful part of your knowledge--essentially meta-data representing your confidence in the accuracy, completeness, or precision of the data or your understanding of the data and its implications, if you will--you can utilize them to help guide your decisions. This guidance might take the form of risk mitigation steps to guard against (or deal with fallout resulting from) flaws in your decisions and understanding or a realization that you should first obtain more information before making the decision (if circumstances allow this as a viable option).
"Joe did better because he's too stupid to realize that he should've wallowed in self-doubt and indecision like me" is a cop-out--especially if Joe is consistently doing better than you. If group X is able to effectively and consistently marginalize and derail the efforts of group Y over long periods of time, then it doesn't indicate that group X is too stupid to recognize the shortcomings in their knowledge and understanding and is simply getting consistently lucky, it more likely indicates that they understand how to manage those shortcomings better than group Y. Group Y invoking Russel's quote in that situation is them simply burying their heads in the sand rather than confronting the uncomfortable-but-more-likely alternative that Group X is in fact more intelligent (in at least certain areas).
Re:The definition of PC by AdamWill · 2013-03-21 07:40 · Score: 1

No. The definition of 'political correctness' is 'handy term of abuse you can use to dismiss anyone who wants you to respect other people in any way'.
Re:The definition of PC by chihowa · 2013-03-21 08:01 · Score: 1

Except that skin colour is the most obvious indicators of race. It's not 100% definitive, but it does give a lot of information.
Note: I'm not trying to call you racist, but please note that this, is in fact, a subtle judgement of people on the basis of their skin color. Whether you intended it or not, it's there. It's this kind of thing that PC language is attempting to draw attention to and avoid.
That doesn't even make any sense. Skin color is a great way to describe people and identify individual people that you are unfamiliar with. Using color words to approximate skin color (white, black, etc) carries no judgement at all and is an entirely superficial description. The PC practice of linking skin color to assumed ancestral heritage and reframing the physical description of the person as a cultural identity is what is racist.
(Not all people of African descent have particularly dark skin, but if the American PC definition of black = African American holds, they can't identify with their heritage. Likewise, not all black people want to identify with African heritage (or even come from African ancestry) and assuming that you can link the color of their skin with African heritage is presumptuous. This is where the subtle judgement comes into play. The PC speaker claims to know about the heritage and culturural values of a person based on the color of their skin. The goal of PC doesn't seem to be to avoid racism, but to perpetuate it in a modern, socially acceptable way.)

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Re:The definition of PC by lurker1997 · 2013-03-21 08:02 · Score: 1

Black is associated with evil because it is black out at night. It has nothing to do with skin color.
Re:The definition of PC by SuiteSisterMary · 2013-03-21 08:32 · Score: 2

Charlize Theron is, in the literal sense, an African American. But I'd never refer to her as such, because, well, 'African American' carries as much preconceived baggage as 'black 'does.

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Re:The definition of PC by garett_spencley · 2013-03-21 08:59 · Score: 2

It is exactly, every one bit, a "straw man" argument because not one single person is making any of the claims that you are saying they make. You are building up an argument for the sake of tearing it down. That is a "straw man" by very definition.
Your post shows a complete lack of having even read my paragraph, which clearly stated that to many abortion is about preventing a murder, and has nothing to do with "wanting the woman to do anything." To them it is about preventing a wrong, not enforcing a particular behaviour or forcing a woman to do anything. And once again, that is THEIR position, not mine. I am probably more "pro choice" than most on the pro-choice side.
Re:The definition of PC by Burz · 2013-03-21 10:13 · Score: 1

It the difference between huge anti-war protests being blacked-out of news coverage (at least until after the war has started), while handfuls of individuals called Tea Party immediately become media darlings when they surround town hall meetings with guns.
There are just certain topics and demographics that prompt discomfort or hostility in the corporate media.
Speaking of discomfort... Someone didn't realize I have karma to burn. :)

Thinking??? by Carnivore24 · 2013-03-21 03:22 · Score: 5, Funny

"challenged people to think about the origin of the clothes we buy" Challenging people to think is one of the main things an Apple user is not allowed to do. Makes sense if you think about it.

Re:Thinking??? by clemdoc · 2013-03-21 03:35 · Score: 1

replying to undo"overrated" mod. should've been "funny".

They didn't grant copyrights for a biography sim by Anonymous Coward · 2013-03-21 03:24 · Score: 1

Apple didn't grant them permission to create a simulator on how apple works so it was easier to just toss the app out before suing them for infringing their history. I'm also sure there were rounded corners somewhere in the app.

cant have a game based on the core business.. by who_stole_my_kidneys · 2013-03-21 03:27 · Score: 1

if its so easy, it might produce competitors.

That's what makes them uncomfortable? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-03-21 03:27 · Score: 2, Insightful

I should think the objectionable thing would be the existence of those sweatshops. It's apparently just talking about them that is offensive? If we just look the other way and pretend they don't exist, then everything is peachy?

Re:That's what makes them uncomfortable? by dkleinsc · 2013-03-21 07:18 · Score: 1

It's apparently just talking about them that is offensive? If we just look the other way and pretend they don't exist, then everything is peachy?
It's a common defense mechanism for people who have done things that they would probably consider morally evil: pretend they never happened.

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Re:Asking for it by tech.kyle · 2013-03-21 03:31 · Score: 2

Not if it's so popular, it makes people want to buy your phone even more. If millions of people loved "Sweatshop HD", Apple would conveniently forget their clause. Rule of Acquisition number 202. The justification for profit is profit.

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Seattle Rex said it best by Anonymous Coward · 2013-03-21 03:33 · Score: 4, Insightful

"Increasingly, Apple is not for doâ(TM)ers. It is not for power users. It is not for creators. It is not for people who think different. It is for posers. It is for hipsters. It is for metrosexuals. It is for wannabes and pretenders."

Re:Seattle Rex said it best by Hal_Porter · 2013-03-22 04:37 · Score: 1

Posers, hipsters, wannabes and pretenders think they are "power users, creators, people who think different" etc. Those are all the sort of labels that douchebags attach to themselves when everyone else just looks on them with vague distaste.

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Oooh, I know a game... by digitalhermit · 2013-03-21 03:39 · Score: 4, Funny

This game will be called "Patent War"...
The object is to collect as many patents growing around the landscape stuff them in your pocket. The more patents you collect, the better are your chances against the Innovation Monster. Defeat the Innovation Monster and collect Gold Coins. Use the Gold Coins to buy Senators who can help build fences to keep the Innovation Monster away. Once you level up, defeat the Consumer Rights Beast and collect even more Gold Coins and even the Vorpal DRM which can stave off the Indie Media Goblin and the DIY Music Devil.

Typical by Anonymous Coward · 2013-03-21 03:41 · Score: 5, Insightful

Kill hundreds of thousands of virtual people in videogames? No prob! Force them to work in a sweatshop? That makes me a little uncomfortable.

Walled Garden by stevegee58 · 2013-03-21 03:42 · Score: 5, Insightful

Welcome to the walled garden where everything is beautiful inside and you're protected from the ugly outside world (by the gardener's definition).

Re:Walled Garden by Sprouticus · 2013-03-21 04:02 · Score: 1

Wish I had some Karma.

Re:Block this dick from posting by fustakrakich · 2013-03-21 03:46 · Score: 1

Censorship ain't cool, man! No matter what.

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PlantationVille still a go by theurge14 · 2013-03-21 03:46 · Score: 2

What could possibly go wrong?

Tapper? by FlopEJoe · 2013-03-21 03:48 · Score: 1

What about the Tapper game that's been around since the dawn of time where you have to frantically serve drinks to increasingly fast and angry patrons. Or the waitress game. Or any stressful job situation. Heck I think it's cruel to throw birds at pigs' houses.

Re:Tapper? by vux984 · 2013-03-21 04:19 · Score: 3, Interesting

What about the Tapper game that's been around since the dawn of time ...
You do realize Tapper was reworked to use Root Beer in most of its iterations including a version for Arcades, the version for Coleco and Atari, and even the version on Xbox Live all are "Rootbeer Tapper"... even the Tapper scene in "Wreck it Ralph"; looks like the original Tapper game, but the Bud logo is not present, and you can clearly hear a patron interrupt Tapper to order a Root Beer.
Probably not the best example.
Re:Tapper? by Riceballsan · 2013-03-21 04:42 · Score: 1

I don't believe any part of the post was about alcohol being objectionable material. Rather people working too hard for too little pay. (IE what is going on in a sweat shop). Now my opinion of the topic... it's pretty simple, apple hasn't been participating in the food service industry, so making their jobs look bad, isn't offensive to the ghost of Steve Jobs. Meanwhile Apple has indeed gotten media spotlight numerous times for the fact that they are part of the insanity that is the chinese manufacturing industry.
Re:Tapper? by vux984 · 2013-03-21 05:05 · Score: 1

Rather people working too hard for too little pay.
Hmm.. you are probably right.
And in that line of thought its particularly ironic, as the game was originally made to be played in bars, and was sponsored by Budweiser. Clearly that industry had no qualms about poking a little fun at itself.
The only controversy Tapper ever had was when it made its way to more child friendly arcades and the alcohol theme became an issue.

Re:Asking for it by ArcadeMan · 2013-03-21 03:49 · Score: 1

And FoxConn uses rule #189.

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Too close to home. by Culture20 · 2013-03-21 03:49 · Score: 5, Insightful

Seriously, a game called "5 minutes to kill yourself" (and the wedding day edition) is okay, but a game where you run a sweatshop isn't? I'm guessing the top tier goal of the sweatshop game had the workers building iGlasses for an unnamed American corporation.

Seriously... by Waveguide04 · 2013-03-21 03:51 · Score: 1

I get what the Apps Store is. Its a clearing house for Apps that makes it, in theory, easier for content providers to get their apps out there and earning then and Apple money. I also get how Apple would want to control the stability, code quality, etc of what they publish there, _however_, no where does the concept of an app store imply nor mandate that they also become the Morality Police for a content outlet. That's insane. I like Apple and their products, but I didn't sign on for them to be my moral compass. If there is something on there I don't like then the solution is simple people.. Don't freaking buy it! Sheesh.

Re:Seriously... by Hal_Porter · 2013-03-22 04:43 · Score: 1

*ca-ching* ;-)
BADUM-TUSH
FTFY

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Re:Block this dick from posting by Howitzer86 · 2013-03-21 03:52 · Score: 1

This isn't Reddit.

People with a collection of paid iOS apps by tepples · 2013-03-21 03:59 · Score: 1

You wouldn't put your companies future at the whim of some unstated rules, interpreted by spotty faced youths, yet you develop for iOS?

A lot of companies develop for video game consoles, whose policies are even stricter than Apple's, simply because video game consoles are the only popular devices for video gaming with multiple gamepads and a large monitor. I'm told set-top PCs are nowhere near popular enough to attract major developer attention.

I'll admit that this isn't quite as true of the iPhone and iPad as it is for consoles, but for three years, Apple's iPod touch had a monopoly on PDAs (3 to 5 inch Wi-Fi-only tablets). Until the fourth quarter of 2011, when Samsung finally brought out the Galaxy Player, one couldn't easily buy an Android device of that size without paying for a voice data plan. During that time, a lot of iPod touch owners bought iOS apps, and the fact that they can bring those apps with them to new iDevices that they buy leads them to choose other iDevices over Android devices. So the only way to reach users with a sizable collection of paid-for iOS apps is to develop for iOS.

Re:so... sweatshop = bad, killing = good? by fustakrakich · 2013-03-21 03:59 · Score: 1

Clearly killing people is highly objectionable.

Not when you can make money from it.

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Confidential guidelines by tepples · 2013-03-21 04:00 · Score: 5, Insightful

A leaked version of the App Store Review Guidelines already contains a ban on realistic violence.

But the real problem with the App Store Review Guidelines is that they're confidential, intended only for current developers, not for prospective developers. Say someone has been developing applications for PCs and Android devices as a hobby, and he wants to try developing a few applications for the iPhone or iPad. Before he spends over $1,000 on a Mac, an iPad, and a developer license, how can he be sure that Apple won't reject his applications' concepts?

Re:Block this dick from posting by fustakrakich · 2013-03-21 04:03 · Score: 2

You say that like it a bad thing. Doesn't matter. Censorship is bad... I am quite capable of filtering what I see myself. And I don't care if the mods disagree.

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Re:Android by PyroMosh · 2013-03-21 04:05 · Score: 4, Interesting

While I agree with you in principal (the ability to run whatever I wish is one of the reasons I use Android and avoid iOS myself), in practice, what you describe is the same on both platforms.

If I'm selling a commercial app, even on Android, the built-in store is more or less the only avenue to making money. Google's store has rules just like Apple's does.

Sure I can sell through Amazon or some of the other third parties instead. But this obviously greatly diminishes my potential market (and they will likely have similar rules too). What percent of Android users ever install a third party store? What percent are even aware they can do so?

If you're talking about commercially selling software to sideload, the problem is even worse. Most users have no idea this is possible. So in effect, if you're investing a lot of money into a project and Google says "no", the results aren't much different from Apple saying "no".

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When the rules are paywalled by tepples · 2013-03-21 04:07 · Score: 2

So Apple is enforcing their rules which they've openly and clearly published

When I tried to view the rules on Apple.com, it asked me to log in with an Apple ID. Where should a prospective developer view these rules before spending four figures on a Mac, an iPad, and a developer license?

Re:When the rules are paywalled by rvw · 2013-03-21 04:11 · Score: 3, Informative

So Apple is enforcing their rules which they've openly and clearly published
When I tried to view the rules on Apple.com, it asked me to log in with an Apple ID. Where should a prospective developer view these rules before spending four figures on a Mac, an iPad, and a developer license?
You can create your apple id for free, without using an ipad or mac.
Re:When the rules are paywalled by coinreturn · 2013-03-21 04:34 · Score: 1, Insightful

So Apple is enforcing their rules which they've openly and clearly published
When I tried to view the rules on Apple.com, it asked me to log in with an Apple ID. Where should a prospective developer view these rules before spending four figures on a Mac, an iPad, and a developer license?
You can create your apple id for free, without using an ipad or mac.
But, but, how can one bash Apple, then?

Easy fix for the developers by GodfatherofSoul · 2013-03-21 04:09 · Score: 1

Just turn the barbed wire to angle OUTWARD.

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iPhone 6 has airco by rvw · 2013-03-21 04:10 · Score: 2

Just got confirmation that the iPhone 6 has airco built in. So sweat is no longer an option and will be banned from the Appstore.

Product Development is full of risk. by Roogna · 2013-03-21 04:12 · Score: 2

No amount of money (And $1k is nothing when talking product development), guarantees returns. So in this case, Apple rejecting the concepts is just another risk to add onto the list.

If it's the straw that breaks the camel's back, then pick a different platform to develop the concept for. Except every other platform carries it's own risks and benefits.

Re:Block this dick from posting by DrXym · 2013-03-21 04:13 · Score: 4, Interesting

There is a difference between censorship and moderation. I see no issue with slashdot insta-modding particular kinds of post down to -1, without requiring human mods to do it, e.g. anything linking to goatsex for example or posts with certain keywords that appear within 30 minutes of a story going live.

They could even rank it down to a -2 which is only visible to the randomly designated mods so they can rescue posts that end up there without subjecting everyone else to that shit.

iOS App Store, not Mac App Store by tepples · 2013-03-21 04:13 · Score: 1

-- I'm a Mac.
-- And I'm a PC.

The article claims that it was an iPad game on the iOS App Store, not a Mac game on the Mac App Store. The only connection with Macs is that a Mac was used to build and submit it.

Re:iOS App Store, not Mac App Store by Bing+Tsher+E · 2013-03-21 13:20 · Score: 1

The only connection with Macs is that a Mac was used to build and submit it.
Not necessarily. It might have been developed on a Hackintosh.

Re:Block this dick from posting by wonkey_monkey · 2013-03-21 04:14 · Score: 3, Insightful

There is a perfectly workable system already in place that relies on, rather than centralised censorship, crowd-sourced moderation. Unfortunately, it's ruined by chumps who reply to to the trolls, thus bringing otherwise rapidly hidden posts to the attention of all and sundry.

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Re:Asking for it by Meyaht · 2013-03-21 04:25 · Score: 1

google is no help with rule #189... unless it has to do with sleeping in... which i somehow doubt. Please explain?

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Adding this artificial risk by tepples · 2013-03-21 04:26 · Score: 2

So in this case, Apple rejecting the concepts is just another risk to add onto the list.

How does adding this artificial risk benefit Apple in a way that just publishing the Guidelines does not?

Streisand Effect by CanHasDIY · 2013-03-21 04:31 · Score: 4, Insightful

Never heard of Sweatshop HD before this...

Now I MUST PLAY IT!!!!

Good work, Apple, the dev couldn't pay for this kind of publicity.

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Having a free Apple ID is not enough by tepples · 2013-03-21 04:36 · Score: 3, Informative

You can create your apple id for free

I just logged in with my Apple ID, and it told me "Sorry, you cannot access this page. The Apple ID you signed in with does not have permission to view this page."

Re:Having a free Apple ID is not enough by jittles · 2013-03-21 10:45 · Score: 1

You can create your apple id for free
I just logged in with my Apple ID, and it told me "Sorry, you cannot access this page. The Apple ID you signed in with does not have permission to view this page."
You should be able to see the rules for free by joining the Apple Developer program. It's 100% free, and you can create apps and run them in the iOS simulator all day long. What costs money is being able to push to devices, and to be able to get content approved for the app store.

Port it to the Mac by tepples · 2013-03-21 04:38 · Score: 1

How hard would it be to port the game to the Mac and offer it for download?

Re:Port it to the Mac by Anonymous Coward · 2013-03-21 05:22 · Score: 1

How hard would it be to port the game to the Mac and offer it for download?
Even better... get some Indian sweat shop to do it for you.
Re:Port it to the Mac by Looker_Device · 2013-03-21 06:07 · Score: 2

How hard would it be to port the game to the Mac and offer it for download?
Not as hard as it would be for iPhone and iPad users to carry around Mac laptops in their pockets just to play this game.

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Re:Port it to the Mac by AmiMoJo · 2013-03-21 11:47 · Score: 1

The game's price just went up. Now you need a hardware dongle called an "Android phone" to play it.
A port seems in their best interests now. No point wasting all those assets.

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Simply rename the App! by HycoWhit · 2013-03-21 04:39 · Score: 5, Funny

Sweatshop HD is such a crude and offensive name. The game simply needs to be renamed: Foxconn Fun or iFactory, maybe Making Apples...

Re:fuck apple and their shitty products by geminidomino · 2013-03-21 04:42 · Score: 2

Let's be fair.

He was "just a fucking guy who marketed technology to the mundanes."

And the truth is that he was a genius at that. No, he wasn't "innovative", he sure as hell wasn't "a visionary," but he did succeed at selling what were "geek toys" to hipsters, who are always willing to pay a premium.

MP3s, tablets, smartphones: they were all around long before Apple made its "contributions" to the market[0] , and usually done better, but they never got sold to the "Any Key" crowd.

So let the Followers of Jobs have their worship. Even if they are just worshiping a marketroid, he was a good one.

[0]Newton was an exception, in that it was very, very much a geek toy and was a flop.

Re:Moderation in moderation by DrXym · 2013-03-21 04:48 · Score: 1

That's why I suggested In the extremely unlikely event that the link was relevant to the thread, it could be rescued by designated moderators. Same goes for the usual racist dross that mods find themselves marking down on every new story. Why bother requiring intervention - just get rank it down and let a mod rescue it if and only if it was somehow relevant.

FU_pple by AndyKron · 2013-03-21 05:05 · Score: 1

And yet assholes all over the world keep supporting FU_pple.

Re:Wait! by DRJlaw · 2013-03-21 05:07 · Score: 1

Wait! So Apple is enforcing their rules which they've openly and clearly published and that they hold all developers to?
Those bastards! /yawn_at_the_non-story...

Yes! So long as you openly and clearly publish your rules and hold everyone to them, your rules are above criticism!

That's why I openly and clearly publish that anyone entering my house will be bitchslapped if they present excessively objectionable or crude content. No more pesky assault and battery claims when I arbitrarily decide what is excessively objectionable and crude.

After the first few hours of a discussion by tepples · 2013-03-21 05:18 · Score: 3, Insightful

Why bother requiring intervention - just get rank it down and let a mod rescue it if and only if it was somehow relevant.

I can think of three reasons.

First, moderators tend not to rescue posts after the first few hours of a discussion.

Second, users can set a threshold on whether replies show up in their Message Center. An on-topic reply to one's comment that's robo-modded due to forbidden keywords might never show up. I, for one, depend on Message Center for notifications of replies to my comments.

Third, Slashdot karma works on a percentage scale. Each "In" moderation adds 2 percent, and each negative moderation takes away 2 percent. (Funny appears to do nothing.) Only users with "Excellent" karma (over 50%) get to post with the bonus, which is essential to keep late-discussion comments visible. A post at 1 that's robo-modded down to -1 due to forbidden keywords takes away 4% karma.

Re:After the first few hours of a discussion by hand_of_lixue · 2013-03-21 09:31 · Score: 1

A post at 1 that's robo-modded down to -1 due to forbidden keywords takes away 4% karma.

You could just make it so that robo-mods don't affect karma...

"Perfect score!" by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · 2013-03-21 05:38 · Score: 1

Presumably they left in the app: Sweatshop Left Town Because Of Western Pressure HD, where the employees leave the empty building and return to dirt-floor, grinding poverty, with extra bonus levels where western doogooders get points slapping each other on the back and seeing how many shrimp cocktails they can chug at their award parties.

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I like it! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-03-21 05:52 · Score: 1

Awesome! You don't mind if I steal this exact idea, right?

Apple is not for Artists by Neuroelectronic · 2013-03-21 06:06 · Score: 1

So you were thinking about developing your original game for the Apple platform? Just look at their great distribution system that protects you from pirating. Their powerful tools make it easier to release your project with out the huge resources of a publisher or AAA Developer, and their editors make sure that the fruit of thousands of man hours are destroyed.

Oh wait

"Do as I say..." posts Apple executive staff by gestalt_n_pepper · 2013-03-21 06:15 · Score: 1

Not as I do.

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Re:Wait! by edxwelch · 2013-03-21 06:20 · Score: 1

Those rules are a little vague though:
"We will reject Apps for any content or behavior that we believe is over the line. What line, you ask? Well, as a Supreme Court Justice once said, "I'll know it when I see it". And we think that you will also know it when you cross it."
in other words, Apple can reject anything for whatever reason they feel like

Re:Asking for it by Bardez · 2013-03-21 06:45 · Score: 1

"189. Let others keep their reputation...you keep their latinum."

Rule of Acquisition

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Re:Block this dick from posting by schneidafunk · 2013-03-21 07:35 · Score: 1

Fair enough, but I do not like using my mod points to mod people down, but will if it is off-topic, etc. It seems like a waste of mod points to deal with this spammer, who posts the same EXACT spam on every article. I like the idea of having a lower than -1 rating. I'll scroll through -1 occasionally to see if the rating was justified, but this spammer would be modded down to oblivion every time.

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VS Express, MinGW, JDK, and Eclipse w/o charge by tepples · 2013-03-21 10:18 · Score: 1

PC and android device(s) just suddenly appear on the develope's desk when he/she wants to develop something for those platforms?

Yes, because he already owned a PC running Windows before starting to develop software. You might counter that one might have already owned a Mac, but a randomly selected x86 desktop or laptop computer is far more likely to have shipped with Windows than to be a Mac, and Macs can run Android SDK anyway. Entry-level Android tablets can be had for under $100, and brand-name ones from ASUS and Amazon for $200.

What if someone [...] now tries to develop other apps for Windows? The use still need to spend a lot of money (to buy Visual Studio) before start.

Visual Studio Express, MinGW, the JDK, and Eclipse are all distributed without charge. And even if you happen to have bought a Mac as your first computer, a copy of Windows 8 OEM to install in Boot Camp is $99 (not per year).

How does he/she know whether the Microsoft would accept

Windows 8 supports desktop and "immersive" (formerly Metro) applications. Desktop applications can be sideloaded, leaving Microsoft's policies out of scope entirely. Immersive applications come exclusively from the Windows Store, just like Windows RT applications. But unlike Apple, Microsoft publishes its guidelines for Windows Store applications, and I was able to view those without even being signed into Hotmail. Likewise, Google makes its distribution agreement and content policy for Google Play Store available to the public to inspect.

or whether the app is going to be success?

That variable is orthogonal to the concept acceptance policies of any particular platform.

Currently develop with vs. plan to develop with by tepples · 2013-03-21 11:13 · Score: 2

You should be able to see the rules for free by joining the Apple Developer program.

In the interest of fairness to iOS, I'm trying to build an accurate walkthrough to do so. So I logged in using my Apple ID, got "Sorry, you cannot access this page.", clicked Member Center, and then under "Professional Profile", I selected Games as the primary market, and got this:

[Stop sign] Please correct the errors noted below.
You must select at least one Apple platform with which you develop.

Which Apple platforms do you develop with? Select all that apply.

[ ] iOS
[ ] Mac OS X
[ ] Safari

It appears one is required to have already bought a Mac in order to truthfully complete this page of the Apple Developer Registration form, as Apple has confirmed discontinuation of Safari for Windows. Seeing "Legal agreement" as the next step and remembering "you warrant and represent" clauses in other sites' TOS, I'm trying to be careful not to lie on this form. Can I safely assume that "you develop with" was a typo for "you plan to develop with"?

Sincerity mode please; I'm trying to be fair to Apple, so please be fair to me.

Re:Currently develop with vs. plan to develop with by Bing+Tsher+E · 2013-03-21 14:09 · Score: 1

Technically, you could say that you develop with iOS, if you have an iPod Touch and use an editor on it to do any form of developer. For instance you could write MASM code for Microsoft's x86 Macro Assembler in the editor. The language you pasted in does not say what you are developing for, just what you're developing with.
Re:Currently develop with vs. plan to develop with by rvw · 2013-03-21 23:08 · Score: 1

You're making problems here. Just check one of the boxes that you plan to do, whether you will or not. Nobody will sue you about such a "lie".
Re:Currently develop with vs. plan to develop with by tepples · 2013-03-23 09:52 · Score: 1

So I've completed the Registered Apple Developer process but was still locked out of the Guidelines. What's the next step?

Re:Wait! by BasilBrush · 2013-03-21 11:47 · Score: 1

Of course they can. As can the proprietors of any store.

As for complete power over the content of a computing device, Try developing a game for the Wii that Nintendo finds objectionable. Selling it from ANY store.

Really? Mass murder games are cool by gelfling · 2013-03-21 12:51 · Score: 1

But non PC bullshit isn't. Swear to god I want the next fucking asteroid to hit us.

Re:Moderation in moderation by Stuarticus · 2013-03-21 22:44 · Score: 1

Fabulous turn around to back on topic, 10/10.

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I still get blocked by tepples · 2013-03-22 02:41 · Score: 1

I treated "develop on" as if it were "plan to target". This choice turned out to be correct, as the following section titles made clear. But even now that I have become a registered Apple developer, I still get "The Apple ID you signed in with does not have permission to view this page" when I try to view the Guidelines.

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