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Lawmakers Seek To Ban Google Glass On the Road

An anonymous reader writes in with news about a West Virginia bill that would prohibit drivers from "using a wearable computer with head mounted display." Republican Gary G. Howell sponsored the bill in reaction to reading an article on Google Glass and said: "I actually like the idea of the product and I believe it is the future, but last legislature we worked long and hard on a no-texting-and-driving law. It is mostly the young that are the tech-savvy that try new things. They are also our most vulnerable and underskilled drivers. We heard of many crashes caused by texting and driving, most involving our youngest drivers. I see the Google Glass as an extension."

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  1. HUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But some cars have a heads up display... which is basically a car-mounted version of the same thing. Can't we just have an administrative ruling that it falls under driving while distracted, or reckless driving, or whatever the legal term is, and not create a new law everytime someone makes something new?

    Next up, no looking at your wristwatch while driving! It's the new technological menace!

    1. Re:HUD by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      This seems to be trying to ban the device in general, not how it's used.

      If you can come up with another way to address their concerns, then perhaps they'll listen. This is a real concern, and I think a valid one. When it comes to something like a copy protection circumvention device then banning the device and not the use is one thing, and when it comes to distraction while driving then something else entirely is happening. The first is unreasonable, you're only taking your own life into your hands. The second is not, because now you've got a chance for your inattention to kill.

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    2. Re:HUD by mjr167 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because that would require admitting that the problem is between the seat and steering wheel?

    3. Re:HUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cars heads up displays don't include emails and google+ messages. Don't be obtuse.

    4. Re:HUD by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      Just mandate an in-car device that detects a google glass headset and redirects all of the display to the car's HUD/device screen instead. Thus your vision is not obscured by the output, but the possible utility of the device is not compromised either.

      Where I am its illegal to operate a cell-phone while driving, unless you have a car mounted hands-free cellphone etc. This would be little different

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    5. Re:HUD by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree that specific-banning every incremental innovation is ugly lawmaking practice(it isn't wrong or unethical in any serious way; but a legal code full of a fuckton of pointless special cases that could have been generalized is no prettier than any other codebase so afflicted).

      However, I'm not with you on the 'All HUDs are created equal" thing. In-car HUDs, while dubiously valuable, have the advantage of being built into cars, with 100% certainty that their users will be driving cars while using them. There is an established body of work on building car controls that are minimally distracting to drivers(sometimes it is even adhered to!). A car HUD is much more likely to adhere to that than is a generic HUD doing god-knows-what.

      Now, nothing prevents a generic HUD from running a set of software displays that would actually be useful to a driver(so banning them in general seems pointless and possibly counterproductive); but it is fair to treat a device that evolved out of the hardware, and use cases, of a smartphone as being distracting until proven innocent...

    6. Re:HUD by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fighter pilots aren't 16. They are college-educated military officers who have had several years of driving behind them to get used to operating a large death machine, followed by extensive classroom training and instructor-led seat time before they are allowed to operate the jet solo. Additionally, they have simulators with which to get used to monitoring all necessary instrumentation as well as keeping an eye out for enemy planes.

      High school kids cannot be compared to fighter pilots in any meaningful way with regards to the ability to safely operate a large machine with multiple points of distraction, on public roads, surrounded by other drives of various skills and levels of distraction.

    7. Re:HUD by fiziko · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And if I want to use the GPS feature only while driving? I think the best solution would be for Google to add a "lockout" feature, where GPS is the only feature accessible when the speed of the glasses is in excess of some reasonable number. Users could enable or disable this mode, as I can with my normal GPS unit, for the cases where the device is being used by the passenger instead of the driver. Then it falls under a blanket "distracted driving" laws when used inappropriately but is still allowable when used appropriately.

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    8. Re:HUD by characterZer0 · · Score: 1

      Fighter pilots are carefully selected, highly trained, and extremely focused.

      Drivers are every idiot with 20/30 vision and 16 birthdays.

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    9. Re:HUD by bws111 · · Score: 1

      In the absense of laws stating precisely what is not legal, your wristwatch example would be reality. If you just have some generic 'no driving while distracted' law, who makes the determination of what is a distraction? The individual cop.

    10. Re:HUD by stoploss · · Score: 1

      It's all about context and type of data.

      It's one thing to superimpose an interactive Flash game for the driver via a HUD.

      It's another thing entirely to have an optional FLIR overlay to increase the driver's perception of the path ahead, or to display the vehicle's current speed in the upper-left area of the windshield, etc. Capabilities like this are likely to improve safety rather than diminish it. Admittedly, these would work best via an actual HUD in the vehicle rather than via a personal Glass device, but the point remains.

      Hell, I have idly considered rigging a FLIR HUD prototype in my next vehicle. It shouldn't be too hard (just expensive).

    11. Re:HUD by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      We have a law like that in the UK (driving without due care and attention) but it only sort-of works. There are lots of grey areas that can only be worked out with a slow and expensive court procedure. There is outright abuse as well, like a woman arrested for taking a sip of water while waiting in the traffic lights.

      The official advice is "keep your hands on the wheel at all times". Except, presumably, when changing gear or scratching a distracting itch.

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    12. Re:HUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or that there isn't really a problem, and this is just the result of Microsoft's Mark Penn buying himself a Republican.

    13. Re:HUD by rioki · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But technically I could run a app that is beneficial to my driving. This week end rented a car and got one with a HUD. It displayed three things, the speed limit, the current speed and the navigation instructions. It "floated" over the hood and I could read the information without taking my eyes off the street. This is VERY beneficial when you are currently doing a maneuver in heavy traffic. It also made the audio queues obsolete. (It had none.) Oh and this implementation of a speed limit indicator works, you see your speed and the speed limit all the time. You really have to willfully be speeding, you can't speed "by mistake".

      The only thing the Google glasses need are a driving mode.

    14. Re:HUD by somersault · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that displaying speed in a HUD on the windscreen would distract kids? The same kids that have been playing computer games with HUDs for the last 14 years? Moving a little bit of information up to the windscreen isn't the problem, it's just getting information that isn't relevant to your driving that is the problem.

      HUDs could be very useful for things like night vision projections. Some cars already have this.

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    15. Re:HUD by mhajicek · · Score: 1

      They well could. And if Glass is banned while driving I'm sure a phone-HUD link will be just around the corner.

    16. Re:HUD by suso · · Score: 3, Interesting

      HUDs on cars currently are also less intrusive and only take up 5-10% of your viewing area. Google Glass will probably cause people to focus on the road differently just like when you hold your phone to your head it causes you to lose mental focus.

    17. Re:HUD by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      This law isn't banning HUDs, it is banning HMDs. HUDs are still legal, and HUD !=HMD.

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    18. Re:HUD by kidgenius · · Score: 2

      You do realize that many states have such "distracted driving" laws, correct? And yes, it is a subjective manner, just like a lot of the enforcement of the law. If you are swerving around the road and the cop notices, it's pretty easy to see that you are driving distracted/recklessly. Who cares what the reason is? It could be because you are eating a cheeseburger, putting on make-up, talking on a phone, or getting road head from your passenger. If you can't drive without being a danger to those around you, then you need to be ticketed for it.

    19. Re:HUD by Githaron · · Score: 1

      What about passengers? Why would you want to disable their Glass?

    20. Re:HUD by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Just mandate an in-car device that detects a google glass headset and redirects all of the display to the car's HUD/device screen instead. Thus your vision is not obscured by the output, but the possible utility of the device is not compromised either.

      That would maybe work if the device were included in new cars, and were illegal to disable... But you have to account for people switching cars, and the thing can't just plug into a lighter socket.

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    21. Re:HUD by alen · · Score: 1

      fighter pilots follow the rules

      Kids get into more collisions because they are dumb and break the traffic laws. almost every time i see someone run a stop sign, a red light, drive too fast for conditions its someone who looks like they are in their 20s in their hurry to no where

    22. Re:HUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or we could, you know, worry about actual behavior and actual problems instead of perceived imagined nonsense crap like this. I put texting and driving bans in the same category. Unless you also ban other things which are demonstrably as distracting as texting and driving, you're just a reactionary anti technology twerp who doesn't like something because it's popular with people you don't care for.

      Nobody was worried about cell phones when they were so expensive as to only be business tools for certain well paid professions. It's only when young and less well off people adopted them that the Chicken Little screaming began. Meanwhile, we don't ban putting on makeup, shaving, reading printed material, and, worst of all, undisciplined children from cars. The latter, btw, being the direct cause of an accident which caused damage to my car while I was sitting still once. I didn't decide to make it my life's mission to do something about distractions caused by kids in cars, as some of these anti tech crusaders with too much time and too small brains seem to.

      Driving like an idiot while looking at a paper map? That's ok. Do the same thing using a piece of tech to find your way? You need to be arrested or fined because you're a hazard. Please note the hazard is the same either way, it's just what some fools feel about the cause that's different. Yes, I meant "feel" and not "think" because clearly there's no thinking going on.

      BTW, not a young person with an axe to grind. Just somebody who's spent too long watching useless overreactions to things time and again. Although it was before just about anybody's time here, I'm told this same stupid debate came up when they first started putting radios in cars. Ponder that for a while. Then ponder the notion that we do absolutely nothing about training and teaching people how to deal with the stuff in their cars. We don't make it illegal for bosses to fire people who aren't available every second of every day. We don't study the extra hazard caused by exiting and reentering the road because some law says you have to in order to make a call. We do nothing that might actually help, and we just pass more dumb laws.

    23. Re:HUD by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry, Google's driverless car is almost ready...

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    24. Re:HUD by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because all those people on the road are using their smartphones "for GPS" while driving now. It's no different than Bit Torrent. While there are valid uses for the technology, most people are using it for willful copyright infringement.

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    25. Re:HUD by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Plus it's quite hard to run into other things up in the sky.

      A slip that could cause a multiple pileup on a road would mostly just need a course correction in an aircraft.

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    26. Re:HUD by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I think the best solution would be for Google to add a "lockout" feature,

      Why? If the glasses are recording everything that happens on the road then it will be much easier to start taking people's licenses away.

      Most people would drive a lot better if they thought they were being recorded.

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    27. Re:HUD by bws111 · · Score: 2

      Yes, states have distracted driving laws. And the only time they are used is AFTER an incident has occurred. If you are swerving, you are already breaking a law (failure to maintain lane). However, if you are swerving, the only thing that prevented you from having an accident was luck - there was no-one else there at the same time.

      The purpose of these types of laws is to prevent behavior that is likely to lead to a problem BEFORE you are to the point of swerving or having an accident.

    28. Re:HUD by somersault · · Score: 1

      I was replying to someone talking about fighter pilot training/HUDs. HUDs aren't illegal surely? Some BMWs and Mercedes have them here in Europe.

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    29. Re:HUD by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      If you are swerving around the road and the cop notices, it's pretty easy to see that you are driving distracted/recklessly.

      A good way to prevent this would be to get drivers to wear head-mounted video recording devices.

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    30. Re:HUD by Artraze · · Score: 1

      I'm not 16 either, and have more experience driving than most fighter pilots do flying.

      While your point is well made, it doesn't really apply to this discussion: The law being proposed would affect everyone (except, basically, cops). So your fighter pilot (or a professional driver) would be pulled over and ticketed just like they were a 16 year old with a learner's permit. The only reason age comes up is because the guy seems to think only (very) young people like to try new tech, and so... I dunno wither we should be thinking of them, the children, or maybe we shouldn't care because anyone older than like, their mid-twenties wouldn't want this newfangled crap anyways. I'm a little curious where he thinks a 16 year old is going to get the $1+k to buy these, but I doubt he gave this that much thought.

    31. Re:HUD by DrXym · · Score: 2

      The difference is that cars are typically showing you information related to your driving whereas your google glasses could be showing you a hilarious cat video.

    32. Re:HUD by somersault · · Score: 1

      Having a HUD doesn't magically make you an idiot. I'm pretty sure that's all on you.

      Some car manufacturers have already taken design cues from video game style HUDs in the last few years, and it's no surprise that things will be heading more that way.

      A HUD just gives you an efficient way to view information. It's safer than having to look down at your dashboard to view your speed or some other piece of information, because you will still be able to see what's going on on the road.

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    33. Re:HUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But they could. As a hardware device it has the same display capabilities as google glass, so fundamentally the only difference is what you do with it. If I had googe glass, I'd use it as a HUD for my motorcycle (and probably nothing else, really.) If I had a HUD for my car, I'd hack it to display what information I want, when I want it, because really, automotive makers have no idea what informatics I want. If someone wanted to hack it to read emails, I'm sure they could do that too, and as soon as they do, I'm sure some lawmaker would try to ban HUDs instead of banning reading emails while driving. It's a bad approach to the law, but one that we always seem to take.

    34. Re:HUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Plus it's quite hard to run into other things up in the sky.

      On the contrary, piloting is all about avoiding the biggest obstacle on Earth: the Earth.

    35. Re:HUD by ftobin · · Score: 1

      Which car is this?

    36. Re:HUD by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

      Exactly. There are many laws people shake their heads at that aren't outlawing a specific behavior, which is hard to quantify and enforce, but a specific action, which is. Example: there are people who pick through garbage for deposit bottles and cans in NYC, and they all use pushcarts. They'd use a car or a van if they could, but loading garbage set outside directly into a motor vehicle is illegal, fullstop. Why? Because then you get guys in big trucks loading up bundles of paper and cardboard and scrap metal and selling it, which is the sanitation department's bread and butter. Sure they could try to specify the particular vehicles allowed, the nature of the items being picked up, etc. etc. but it'd be an enforcement nightmare. Too much damned wiggle room, resulting in innocent people winding up in court arguing whether a station wagon is a car or a truck and that sort of shit.

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    37. Re:HUD by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      I'm not 16 either, and have more experience driving than most fighter pilots do flying.

      Probably in the same way that most freight liner pilots have more air miles than most fighter pilots. Experience and miles logged are not the same thing; it is the number of incidents and situations that promote learning.

    38. Re:HUD by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Funny

      but fighter pilot HUD's don;t have what you best friend is eating or funny pictures of kittens.

      But when the Chinese manufacturers turn on the "remote enable" they will

    39. Re:HUD by spd_rcr · · Score: 1

      +1
      Last thing I want to do is interact with anyone wearing google glasses. In a normal social enviroment, they're like the uber-bluetooth headsets for the uber-douchbag ... but as a HUD for my motorcycle, with my speed, a little direction arrow before turns, the last 30 seconds of video catching the twit running me off the road (or worse)... That I would like to see built into my helmet.

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    40. Re:HUD by iamwahoo2 · · Score: 1

      I don't think he is being obtuse. The law is not going to specifically ban Google glasses, but any potential head mounted display. There can be no doubt based on years research and real world experience in the military that see-through head mounted displays can significantly improve situation awareness. A ban on head mounted displays not only prevents the use of ones that are bad for driving but any that could also be good for driving.

    41. Re:HUD by phoebus1553 · · Score: 3, Informative

      While I'm not the OP...

      GM has had an on-again-off-again affair with these things in various levels of interesting. My 98 Bonneville had a basic mode as did a lot of Pontiacs of the era, Grand Prix, Bonneville, Firebird. Various Caddilacs, Corvettes, Camaros, Colorados, Acadias... the list goes on and on in GM. Some did just speed, turn signals and warnings. You could go up into getting radio stations and more information. A lot of the new ones do nav if you've got it.

      Creative google searching will give you BMW and probably more if you can read the steering wheel emblems. Apparently you can get it add on now days too, but that's probably just for things you'd find in the radio... i.e. station info and Nav.

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    42. Re:HUD by mathew7 · · Score: 1

      Yeah....but those HUDs are certified by the same lawmakers. And they are implemented by car makers that risk the entire car being delayed because of "too much info" in the HUD.
      As for after-market HUDs, they also should be certified, as laws don't allow anything uncertified between head and windshiled. But these uncertified devices are easier to control (like fines for using them uncertified) because once installed, they are not easily removed (like Google Glasses).

    43. Re:HUD by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      I am not the GP, but all German premium brands have it at least as an option, usually even down to the small models.

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    44. Re:HUD by fiziko · · Score: 1

      What about passengers? Why would you want to disable their Glass?

      The second sentence in my original post reads "Users could enable or disable this mode, as I can with my normal GPS unit, for the cases where the device is being used by the passenger instead of the driver."

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    45. Re:HUD by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Informative

      At 10,000 feet you get a minute or so to solve any problems.

      In a car you only get about a second.

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    46. Re:HUD by fiziko · · Score: 1

      GPS uses less paper, and is easier to manage when I'm making multiple stops in multiple cities for work trips, sometimes through cities and provinces I've never been to before. Maps and/or printable directions are far less practical. Bottom line: why should anybody be forced to use the solutions either you or I prefer? Any solution is valid if it can be applied safely.

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    47. Re:HUD by compro01 · · Score: 1
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    48. Re:HUD by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I prefer oddly specific laws, this way safer alternatives like road head, always remain legal.

    49. Re:HUD by ratbag · · Score: 1

      1. Traffic monitoring built in to my chosen GPS enables changes to route after setting off.

      2. Even without automatic traffic updates, I can see problems ahead, turn off the current route and let the GPS pick up the pieces.

      3. If I've got a long route memorised (in a hypothetical world without GPS), but somehow forget a turning I will have to backtrack or find signs to the next "waypoint" in my mind. If I'm in another country, or well outside my usual area of travel, that's a non-trivial task.

      4. "Safety" camera information is available from the GPS, along with stuff like petrol stations, car parks, etc..

      5. Why shouldn't I use GPS? Just because people have done things for about a century doesn't mean we can't embrace progress. I can still read a map quite nicely, thanks and still use one for planning longer walks or driving tours etc. But I would not willingly sacrifice my car's GPS for day-to-day driving.

    50. Re:HUD by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      Why cant Google design a QWERTY steering wheel and sod it all...what's with all this mincey pixie baby steps to the Darwinian utopia we had planned for the future?

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    51. Re:HUD by tilante · · Score: 1

      Sure, I can look up directions before I start driving. However, then, if the directions are more than moderately complex, I need to write them down or print them out... which means having one or more pieces of paper that I will need to consult while driving. That leaves me a choice of either finding somewhere to pull over every time I need to glance at the directions to see what I need to look for next, or pick up and look at a piece of paper while operating a moving vehicle.

      With a GPS, on the other hand, I can let it essentially act as navigator for me, telling me when I'm getting close to somewhere that I need to turn, which way to turn, what street name I'm looking for, etc. With a GPS that does that decently, I never actually have to look at the GPS at all while driving, nor take a hand off the wheel.

      Further, using a GPS is superior to pre-looked-up directions in several ways: 1. Detours happen. There might be road work being done, an accident, or heavy traffic that I have to find a route around.

      (Indeed, one of my brothers uses a GPS to get around Atlanta, in spite of having lived there for more than twenty years now. When I was up visiting him, I kidded him about it, saying, 'Don't you know your way around here yet?' His reply was: 'Sure, I know all the roads. But the GPS knows where all the traffic backups are right now.' I have another brother who also lives in Atlanta, who uses his own knowledge of the roads to get around. After riding around with him a while, I quickly saw the wisdom of the first brother's statement.)

      2. Related to detours, if I miss a turn or need to go off-route to get food, gas, or something else, the GPS can smoothly handle the change, giving me a different route. A good one won't just say 'make a u-turn now' - it'll find a new route that won't require me to do something quite so drastic. And speaking of food and gas...

      3. A good GPS will also have a database of points of interest, including gas stations, restaurants, etc. This is very useful information on a long trip through unfamiliar territory. And yes, some maps have that information as well... but you're the one who insisted that directions need to be looked up beforehand. If I look at a map while on the trip, that's not looking up directions beforehand. And speaking of that....

      4. Plans change. I get a call while on the way up to Atlanta telling me that the brother I was going to stay with has had an emergency, and need to go to my other brother's house instead. Only he's in a new house, in a new neighborhood, so I don't already know how to get there. Or my wife gets sick on our five-day trip, and I need to find a clinic she can go to. Or I find out that an old friend I haven't seen in a decade or so is in the city, and need to get somewhere to meet him. Not everyone has the luxury of always planning out their itinerary ahead of time... and sometimes it even changes while you're in the car driving.

      So the upshot is... yeah, I can do that. I did do it for many years, since I was driving long before consumer-level GPSes. But why would I go back to doing that, when using a GPS is so much better?

    52. Re:HUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google Glass will probably cause people

      Legislation should not be based on "probably" and "maybe" and other shit people are basically pulling out of their asses.

    53. Re:HUD by mark-t · · Score: 1

      You are correct, of course... but unfortunately that would require that people actually use the grey matter between their ears to determine whether something might be considered distracting or not, which no small percentage of drivers do not have any real motivation to try to use. "Distracted" driving, by itself, is far too subjective a concept to apply objectively. A driver who is simply daydreaming, for example, can easily be just as big of a danger to others as somebody who is driving intoxicated.

      Sadly, laws must be designed so that it is possibly to clearly and unambiguously determine when somebody is breaking them, and must also appeal to the lowest common denominator. Which means that as any new technology comes out which can be dangerous when used in a particular context, a law will have to probably be made to regulate its use in that context.

      The upshot of there being an explicit law prohibiting this, however, because of its objectivity, is that anyone doing it could be considered "in breach" of their automobile insurance, which can expedite any disputes over blame that might arise.

    54. Re:HUD by rioki · · Score: 1

      It was a BMW 330. As it was a rental car it had everything maxed out when it came to extras.

    55. Re:HUD by Geeky · · Score: 1

      Takes a special kind of dumb to manage this!

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    56. Re:HUD by rioki · · Score: 1

      Exactly BMW 330. And the speed limit detection was totally flawless, the first time I have seen it. Mot solution use a GPS + Map based system and thus don't know about local changes. This system must have some machine vision, because it flawlessly read the signs in the construction areas. The only errors it had when entering the Autobahn, that normally has no speed limit, but a temporary limit. But by the time you are up to speed, the next sign is visible and the system adapts.

    57. Re:HUD by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      Nobody was worried about cell phones when they were so expensive as to only be business tools for certain well paid professions. It's only when young and less well off people adopted them that the Chicken Little screaming began.

      Yea, obviously it's because the young and "poor people" use them now, and has nothing to do with the effects of mass adoption.... kriminy...

      Meanwhile, we don't ban putting on makeup, shaving, reading printed material, and, worst of all, undisciplined children from cars. The latter, btw, being the direct cause of an accident which caused damage to my car while I was sitting still once. I didn't decide to make it my life's mission to do something about distractions caused by kids in cars, as some of these anti tech crusaders with too much time and too small brains seem to.

      Driving like an idiot while looking at a paper map? That's ok. Do the same thing using a piece of tech to find your way? You need to be arrested or fined because you're a hazard. Please note the hazard is the same either way, it's just what some fools feel about the cause that's different. Yes, I meant "feel" and not "think" because clearly there's no thinking going on.

      Uh, those things are illegal, you know. It's called either Careless and Imprudent or Reckless Driving, depending on where you live. Thing is, all forms of distracted driving are covered by one or both of the aforementioned laws - including distractions based on technology.

      BTW, not a young person with an axe to grind.

      Yes, your insistence that young people using cell phones is why we have laws that pertain to them, and your blatant ignorance of existing traffic laws prove that quite succinctly. /sarcasm

      Although it was before just about anybody's time here, I'm told this same stupid debate came up when they first started putting radios in cars.

      I think any Slashdotter over the age of about 50 would argue that point with you (also, kinda belies the whole, "not a youth" angle, you know?)

      Then ponder the notion that we do absolutely nothing about training and teaching people how to deal with the stuff in their cars.

      Well gee, Wally, I didn't realize it was society's responsibility to teach selfish idiots like you how to not be a selfish idiot.

      However, I do agree somewhat- we should not be letting selfish idiots (noticing a theme?) pilot 1-2 tons of steel Death at high rates of speed without more thorough training (or, in many places, any training whatsoever). Perhaps you'd be happy if we went the German route, meaning that you have to pay a few grand for 6 months of government-mandated driving classes before you can even take your license test, and if you fail, you have to start (and pay) all over. Would that make you happy? Probably not, although it would make the roads much safer for the rest of us by removing the licenses of many of the selfish idiots.

      We don't make it illegal for bosses to fire people who aren't available every second of every day.

      Which has fuck-all to do with driving.

      Grind, grind, grind.

      We don't study the extra hazard caused by exiting and reentering the road because some law says you have to in order to make a call.

      What. The. Fuck.

      We don't study the "extra hazard" of entering/exiting roadways because, if you do it in a safe and legal manner, THERE IS NO FUCKING HAZARD. If answering your goddamn cell phone is important enough to you, that you would risk the lives of others to answer it, you need to re-examine your fucked-up priorities, mate. And probably surrender your drivers license, for the good of society.

      I agree that we don't need specific laws to address particular technological distractions. What I don't agree with is your premise, which is based wholly on your own ignorance and selfishness.

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    58. Re:HUD by Wookact · · Score: 1

      It was a silly idea the first time I read your post up above, it is a silly idea this time as well.

      You want me to have to install something in my car? I don't even plan on getting the glasses. You sound like the people who want to install breathalysers in all vehicles no matter what.

    59. Re:HUD by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      Actually the self contrived problem exists solely between the politician and the mouth.

    60. Re:HUD by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      And if I want to use the GPS feature only while driving? I think the best solution would be for Google to add a "lockout" feature, where GPS is the only feature accessible when the speed of the glasses is in excess of some reasonable number. Users could enable or disable this mode, as I can with my normal GPS unit, for the cases where the device is being used by the passenger instead of the driver. Then it falls under a blanket "distracted driving" laws when used inappropriately but is still allowable when used appropriately.

      For some reason, your post has inspired my mind to create this advert for the near future:

      Thanks to Google Glass' "always-on" recording feature and "HUD" Youtube app, users will be able to access the live-stream of your 'death-by-GPS' incident, without so much as taking their hands off the wheel!

      Funny stuff, or ominous vision of tomorrow? You be the judge.

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    61. Re:HUD by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      What's to stop stupid drivers from keeping their Glass on "passenger" mode?

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    62. Re:HUD by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      In the absense of laws stating precisely what is not legal, your wristwatch example would be reality.

      Take it from someone who, as a teenager, caused a 3 car pileup because he was looking at his watch: There's a very good reason not looking at the road while you're driving is illegal, regardless of what caused the distraction.

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    63. Re:HUD by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Oh and this implementation of a speed limit indicator works, you see your speed and the speed limit all the time. You really have to willfully be speeding, you can't speed "by mistake".

      Maybe we're just super-efficient here in the UK, but I have never driven anywhere here where it wasn't perfectly clear what the speed limit was.

      Anyone who "accidentally" drives at 95 mph on a motorway where the speed limit is 70 just isn't paying attention. If you don't know that the national speed limit on a motorway is 70mph, you shouldn't be driving here at all.

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    64. Re:HUD by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      a HUD for my motorcycle, with my speed, a little direction arrow before turns

      If you're on a motorcycle and you need a computer to tell you when there's a turn or bend coming up...you're doing it wrong.

      Speed and revs, fair enough.

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    65. Re:HUD by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Why are you posting online? Can't you send a snail-mail letter instead, like people have for centuries?

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    66. Re:HUD by rioki · · Score: 1

      No but when I have 3 ways to choose from, it helps if you see which one it is and how far until the road branches. You can read the name of the exit/lane you need to be while still having the road in your sight. If you have the Navi screen and instructions on a different screen you need to look away from the road. In addition, with 3 options a "exit left" is not very helpful sound queue.

      Also, in my special case that was in Germany, the average speed of the vehicles is 140 km/h (86 mph). Driving in the US is borderline boring in comparison.

    67. Re:HUD by Cinder6 · · Score: 1

      It's clear on highways, but not always so clear in cities if you don't live there or drive there often, which is probably the case with the OP as he was using a rental car

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    68. Re:HUD by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      A HUD just gives you an efficient way to view information. It's safer than having to look down at your dashboard to view your speed or some other piece of information, because you will still be able to see what's going on on the road.

      The idea of having your speed shown is fine. What would worry me would be if you ended up with the whole dashboard display, rev counter, oil pressure gauge, temperature display, clock, trip meter, odometer, radio/music playlist information, graphic equalizer settings, air conditioning settings, email and text alerts, facebook alerts, tweets, live webcam feeds of slutty blonde cheerleaders, etc.

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    69. Re:HUD by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously suggesting that highly trained fighter pilots are, in fact, less skilled than Joe Quarterpounder texting pictures of his dog being sick while he's getting a blowjob driving his truck home from the pub?

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    70. Re:HUD by rioki · · Score: 1

      So could be the smartphone you use for navigation. It does not negate the effect that you can sensibly use a smartphone during driving. It is up to the driver, which could also look at the pretty scenery instead of the road.

    71. Re:HUD by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      That's bollocks. If you're stopped by traffic cops because you've got a map propped on the steering wheel and you've been weaving all over the road while you tried to read it, or your kids don't have their seatbelts on and are climbing over the driver's head, you will get a ticket for driving without due care and attention/dangerous driving or whatever.

      People who use mobile phones for texting while driving aren't being picked on because they're young and techy, they're being asked to conform to the same standards as the rest of us while driving.

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    72. Re:HUD by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Expect HUDs to be banned as well, they are a direct assault on ticket revenue and that will not be tolerated

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    73. Re:HUD by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      We have a law like that in the UK (driving without due care and attention) but it only sort-of works. There are lots of grey areas that can only be worked out with a slow and expensive court procedure. There is outright abuse as well, like a woman arrested for taking a sip of water while waiting in the traffic lights.

      Really? I bet she was also distracted and not aware of what was around her (like the cop car next to her).

      The official advice is "keep your hands on the wheel at all times". Except, presumably, when changing gear or scratching a distracting itch.

      As general advice, it is quite reasonable. You're much more likely to be able to control the car in an emergency if you've got both hands on the steering wheel. Obviously, you can change gear, adjust the air vents, or whatever, you just shouldn't trundle along with only one hand on the wheel because you think it looks cool.

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    74. Re:HUD by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Then the solution is obviously MORE TRAINING, not putting rubber bumpers on the world. HAHA hook em up like Nick Cage in Firebirds and see how they do 'in the bag'. If they pass that, they can wear HUDs while driving.

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    75. Re:HUD by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, if the driverless car has a problem, you can drive your driverless car through your Google Glass.

    76. Re: HUD by somersault · · Score: 1

      Actually, if people gave as much attention to real driving as they do to video games, we'd all be a lot better off. Have the government provide "achievements" for going 5 years without an accident and then see what happens..

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    77. Re:HUD by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      NO, fuck that. Software UX designers are literally DECADES beyond anything a car UX guy can do. It all comes down to scope. Give a software UX guy and a car UX guy the same scope and I guarantee the software UX guy will provide something amazing and functional compared to the Car guy.

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    78. Re:HUD by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      I think in this case (and many other cases), the legislation includes false negative. You may need to compare the benefit and loss of the result to understand that "probably" or "maybe" is OK to be based on.

      The benefit would be that accidents caused by distraction of the glass would be reduced (if at least some people follows the law). The loss (false negative) is that there are people, who would not be distracted by the glass, would not be allowed to use the glass. Now, from my opinion, the value of loss from accidents caused by the glass is more than the value of loss from not allowing responsible people to use the glass because the loss is involved both the one who is distracted and the innocents (people/properties) that are unlucky involved in the accident. It would be wise to close the barn door before you lose a horse.

    79. Re:HUD by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Actually, I don't need to look at the speed limit or even the speedometer, till the radar detector goes off.....

      My two favorite words that have saved me so much $$$$ over the years are: Valentine One.

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    80. Re:HUD by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      This sound to me like a politician getting wind of some new hyped gadget, who:
      1) sees a chance to jump on the bandwagon with a proposal to ban gadget x while doing a, and get some free public face time.
      2) feeds the need to meddle in our crap
      3) both.

      How about we start working on a fix after we find there actually is a problem. Yeah, yeah, I know, the old "closing the barn door after the horse has fled" argument or whatever. So at the very least: conduct a few studies first.

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    81. Re:HUD by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      but not always so clear in cities if you don't live there or drive there often

      For the UK, it's 30mph unless signed otherwise. I would assume other countries have similar limits.

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    82. Re:HUD by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      Cars heads up displays don't include emails and google+ messages. Don't be obtuse.

      You've obviously not driven in some of the newer luxury cars.

      Where checking your e-mail would be blocked while in motion. The logic extends to other features in an obvious manner.

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    83. Re:HUD by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Maybe we're just super-efficient here in the UK, but I have never driven anywhere here where it wasn't perfectly clear what the speed limit was.

      Then, for some of us, we just don't care what the posted limit is.

      I drive the maximum speed that is safe for the conditions on the road that I'm on at the time, which is usually much faster than the posted limit.

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    84. Re:HUD by Shadowmist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But technically I could run a app that is beneficial to my driving. This week end rented a car and got one with a HUD. It displayed three things, the speed limit, the current speed and the navigation instructions. It "floated" over the hood and I could read the information without taking my eyes off the street. This is VERY beneficial when you are currently doing a maneuver in heavy traffic. It also made the audio queues obsolete. (It had none.) Oh and this implementation of a speed limit indicator works, you see your speed and the speed limit all the time. You really have to willfully be speeding, you can't speed "by mistake".

      The only thing the Google glasses need are a driving mode.

      You MIGHT download an app that might be beneficial to your driving.... presuming it makes up for the loss of attention span on what you're supposed to be focusing on.... DRIVING. It is an uncontestable fact that texting, calling on the phone, and browsing your emal on your smartphone, does lead to an increased risk in auto accidents. How would putting this stuff in your face make it any safer? We give our legislatures a deservedly bad rap when they think in terms of technology that's already generations obsolete. We should be giving this guy credit for looking ahead.

    85. Re:HUD by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Maybe they don't want drivers using Google Glass, because they don't want them to automatically be recording that cop that pulled you over...

      He can turn off his dash cam, but he might not be able to shut off your google glass (as that he might not know what it is and that it is recording).

      Just a nice, conspiracy addled thought.

      :)

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    86. Re:HUD by AndyKron · · Score: 1

      oh HELL NO, That would dilute their self-importance!

    87. Re:HUD by Score+Whore · · Score: 2

      After reading your description of Joe Quarterpounder's troubles, I'm wondering why it is that we look down on Joe.

    88. Re:HUD by Machtyn · · Score: 1

      While not to the same level, I remember that it was mandatory for me to take a drivers ed class. They were also toying with a driving simulator at the time (early 90s). I don't see why, in this nanny state, we can't mandate all 16 year olds to take a drivers ed class, which includes simulator training.

    89. Re:HUD by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Statistics please.

      No seriously, give me the survey and study that was done scientifically that proves your point or else you're at best making it up and at worst lying to influence others.

      My smart phone is on GPS mode and runs Torque in the background while I'm driving. I also respond to texts by voice and have Google Talk voice convos hands-free. I suppose I shouldn't be allowed to do any of these things because I'm a supposed anomaly?

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    90. Re:HUD by pod · · Score: 1

      It is because politicians need a constant stream of menaces to show the people "they are working to do something about it". Why such viciousness and vitriol against talking on the cellphone and driving? Is it any more distracting than fiddling with the radio, tapping the GPS, arguing with your girlfriend, yelling at the kids in the back, drinking coffee, disciplining your lapdog, or putting on your makeup? Texting will get you into hot water, but even if you have an accident while doing any of the other distracting things, it's just an unfortunate accident that could have happened to anyone.

      Distracted driving is distracted driving. We don't need a slate of new laws for every new technological advance or activity people manage to do behind the wheel.

      The same holds for impaired driving. Drunk driving is vilified, but if you wrap your car around a telephone pole because you were too tired, or sleepy, or drowsy, or emotionally distraught, again, just an unfortunate accident.

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    91. Re:HUD by frosty_tsm · · Score: 1

      Expect HUDs to be banned as well, they are a direct assault on ticket revenue and that will not be tolerated

      When making such a bold statement, you should back it up with a line drawn from "HUD use" to "less ticket revenue" other than less drivers looking down and crashing.

    92. Re:HUD by sessamoid · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that displaying speed in a HUD on the windscreen would distract kids? The same kids that have been playing computer games with HUDs for the last 14 years?

      How many times per minute do those kids get killed in games with HUDs?

      Just sayin'....

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    93. Re:HUD by suutar · · Score: 1

      eh. As long as he's right about it being a safe speed, no problem. And that's substantially better than the folks who will do the speed limit on a wet/icy road in the dark...

    94. Re:HUD by suutar · · Score: 1

      If drinking water while stopped at a light is distraction, adjusting an air vent is probably equally distracting. Better not.

    95. Re:HUD by JeanCroix · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. When traveling to Florida on business, I encountered a stretch which had 15 speed limit changes in 9 miles. I counted after being pulled over for speeding, having thought I was correct for the segment I was in at the time.

    96. Re:HUD by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. When traveling to Florida on business, I encountered a stretch which had 15 speed limit changes in 9 miles. I counted after being pulled over for speeding, having thought I was correct for the segment I was in at the time.

      Limit change every half-mile - that sounds like the authorities are in it for the money.

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    97. Re:HUD by RNLockwood · · Score: 1

      There's two parts to the bill AFAIK, the heads up glasses and that the computer is a wearable computer. It appears that it's OK to wear the glasses if they are connected to, say, a notebook, or a table, etc (maybe even a smart phone).

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    98. Re:HUD by adri · · Score: 1

      That's a common way of doing it in the US. I don't agree with it; it's basically saying "Hey your needs trump the needs of the social group", but .. that's very American.

    99. Re:HUD by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Does it detect

      - induction loops?

      - lidar

      - unmarked highway patrol cars?

      1. No, but never run into anything like that where I live and drive.

      2. Yes, quite effectively

      3. No, but I keep a VERY keen eye out for the types of unmarked cop cars in my area, and so far, so good.

      Also, I have a CB in my car too, and on longer HWY trips, I usually know way in advance of any cops out there patrolling from talking to truckers on the road. I usually know where the traps are way in advance of the detector going off.

      [knock wood], I've had only one speeding ticket in about 11-14 years that I can recall, and when on the hwy, my minimum speed is between 85-90mph. Hell, down here, if you go much slower than that, other drivers will run you off the road.

      :)

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    100. Re:HUD by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      That's a common way of doing it in the US. I don't agree with it; it's basically saying "Hey your needs trump the needs of the social group", but .. that's very American.

      Yep....social group? New term on me...fuck the 'social group' I guess.

      What's important to me, is me...my family and friends, in that order.

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    101. Re:HUD by tftp · · Score: 1

      If you're on a motorcycle and you need a computer to tell you when there's a turn or bend coming up...you're doing it wrong.

      He is talking about navigation GPS. Motorcycle riders are not born with up to date maps of all roads all over the world in their memory. Like car drivers, they need to know where gas stations are, and restaurants, and rest areas - and simply how to get from 1st North street to 17th East street in a city that you have never been to before.

      On the subject of the thread, I think banning of all HUDs is a reasonable first step, until strict rules of what can and cannot be shown to the driver are established. Otherwise you can be sure that teenagers will be watching YouTube and browsing Internet while operating a vehicle. (Why not, they are immortal - they have never died before.)

    102. Re:HUD by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      As long as he's right about it being a safe speed, no problem.

      But he's not. He has no statistical information to base it on. Just his gut feel. Like many idiots he believes he knows best. But probably doesn't.

    103. Re:HUD by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      On the one hand, this makes you sound like an asshat, but on the other hand I kind of agree.

      Speed is rarely the main factor in a traffic incident; it's usually lack of attention/awareness of the driver(s). However, speed does increase the severity of any accidents, so I do think there should be speed limits to limit the damage that bad drivers can cause.

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    104. Re:HUD by Hunter+Shoptaw · · Score: 1

      Actually in some states it is actually illegal to record an image of law enforcement. Laws like that could pose serious problems to people with wearable computers.

    105. Re:HUD by tftp · · Score: 1

      What's to stop stupid drivers from keeping their Glass on "passenger" mode?

      It is not too difficult for a computer to recognize the steering wheel and a speedometer in the camera's field of view.

    106. Re:HUD by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

      Actually in some states it is actually illegal to record an image of law enforcement.

      Link now, or apology for talking out of your ass.

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    107. Re:HUD by lazy_playboy · · Score: 1

      Which states?

    108. Re:HUD by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 1

      Yup. The car's HUD occupies the same position in space relative to the vehicle frame of reference, whereas the google glass view would be positioned relative to the frame of reference of the wearer's head. I'm sure there are some distraction / annoyance factors involved in having your active viewing area overlaid with messages as opposed to having a car's HUD position information "floating over the hood", where you don't expect other useful things (which you would have to pay attention to) to be.

    109. Re:HUD by markdavis · · Score: 1

      While I agree that even a car's heads-up type display could be slightly distracting, there is a WORLD of difference between what the car offers (or a typical watch) and what Google Glass will offer. The car might show your speed and a few other pieces of non-captivating info. Glass will show video clips, text/articles to read, etc. Inotherwords, extremely distracting content.

      I do agree with you that it is silly to try and list every possible thing that is to be banned.

    110. Re:HUD by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      just like when you hold your phone to your head it causes you to lose mental focus.

      If you're going to be distracted by a phone call, it's not holding the phone to your head that's the problem.
      The actual conversation takes many times the mental capacity of holding the phone. That's why all these hands free laws are stupid.
      If you're not capable of driving with a hand held phone, you're not capable of driving with a hands free phone, either.

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    111. Re:HUD by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      For the UK, it's 30mph unless signed otherwise. I would assume other countries have similar limits.

      In US, it varies state-by-state, and then most states also allows specific locales to set their own limits outside of the freeway system. So it can change somewhat arbitrarily even within a given city (I have 30, 35, 40 and 45 MPH roads within two miles of my house), not to mention between municipal boundaries.

    112. Re:HUD by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Incorrect unless the highway code has changed since I took my test (a possibility, I admit).

    113. Re:HUD by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      Incorrect unless the highway code has changed since I took my test (a possibility, I admit).

      https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits - about as definitive a reference as you can get ;-)

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    114. Re:HUD by bane2571 · · Score: 1

      Which states have that law? I was under the impression that your first amendment rights precluded the restriction of filming in any public place.

    115. Re:HUD by perceptual.cyclotron · · Score: 1

      I think the poster is confusing "illegal" with "will get you arrested"...

    116. Re:HUD by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      HUDs on cars currently are also less intrusive and only take up 5-10% of your viewing area.

      Google Glass takes even less than that, if you look at the videos. And how intrusive or non-intrusive it is depends solely on what kind of information it displays.

    117. Re:HUD by dublin · · Score: 1

      Although it was before just about anybody's time here, I'm told this same stupid debate came up when they first started putting radios in cars.

      It absolutely did - there were numerous attempts across the country to outlaw those dangerously distracting car radios. Here is an article outlining just one example: http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/02/how-one-bureaucrat-almost-succeeded-in-b

      Thankfully, the busybodies failed in this effort. Like the current debate on gun/magazine/ammo bans, the "if it saves even one life, it's worth it" line was a frequent appeal. (It's interesting how the people who are so concerned with saving lives through the use of governmental force in other areas of behavior can't brook even the possibility that saving the lives of people not yet born has any moral value...)

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    118. Re:HUD by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Although it was before just about anybody's time here, I'm told this same stupid debate came up when they first started putting radios in cars.

      I think any Slashdotter over the age of about 50 would argue that point with you (also, kinda belies the whole, "not a youth" angle, you know?)

      Umm, they didn't start putting radios in cars 50 years ago.

      More like 85....

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    119. Re:HUD by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      So all they'd need to do is cover the speedometer with a cheap sticker? (Remember, we're talking about stupid people here).

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    120. Re:HUD by tftp · · Score: 1

      The user is in control of what the camera can see. But one could think of more complex images that can be recognized. A human can tell by looking at the camera's output who wears it - the driver or the passenger. I don't know how far this can be pushed with modern machine vision algorithms. I think pretty far, considering self-driving Google cars. It requires CPU power that the tiny Glass doesn't have. But if the image ends up on big servers of Google then recognition can occur there.

      Perhaps my tinfoil hat has worn down and needs replacement, but this whole project, as I suspect, aims for [cy]borgization of the entire population. This offers the level of control over the people that hasn't been ever seen before. And it also offers some rewards for compliance - like jobs that can be performed only if you are augmented. How many high end jobs are there today for people who are computer illiterate?

    121. Re:HUD by Hunter+Shoptaw · · Score: 2
      First, a link: http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/

      This is a good site for documentation of the trampling of said First Amendment Rights. While it doesn't show illegal, it does show "getting arrested for."

      As for illegal. In Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland wiretapping and eavesdropping laws have been leveraged to prosecute people for video tapping. While these were over turned by the Supreme courts many time these laws are still used for the arrest or punishment of a citizen and only 38 states have laws that officially declare that it IS legal to record a police officer in the course of duty. I'd link to it, but you obviously don't understand how to use Google to do any research anyhow.

      My point here being that, while some states are taking action to allow for technologies to be used in our every day lives, people still need to be aware of the laws of their states and the possible consequences.

      Lastly, I'm pretty sure I didn't see any need in my previous comment for your tone. I don't know if being a subscriber entitles you to also being a dick, or if you're just having one of those days. If you've ever read my comments, you'd have realized I don't talk out of my ass.

    122. Re:HUD by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      But he's not. He has no statistical information to base it on. Just his gut feel. Like many idiots he believes he knows best. But probably doesn't.

      Well, so far....I've been gathering stats for about 30 years...and so far they prove me right.

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    123. Re:HUD by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      Well no, I really had an item like the portable GPS I have plugged into my lighter socket in mind mostly. Obviously you wouldn't buy anything to work with the glasses if you weren't buying the glasses. They call them Accessories.
      You know, like the cellphone stands that people stick to their dash etc.

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    124. Re:HUD by bkcallahan · · Score: 1

      Yet.

    125. Re:HUD by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Although it was before just about anybody's time here, I'm told this same stupid debate came up when they first started putting radios in cars.

      I think any Slashdotter over the age of about 50 would argue that point with you (also, kinda belies the whole, "not a youth" angle, you know?)

      Umm, they didn't start putting radios in cars 50 years ago.

      More like 85....

      The debate was ~50 years ago.

      Google "Ralph Nader"

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    126. Re:HUD by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      See what I mean? Confusing anecdotes with data.

    127. Re:HUD by lefin1 · · Score: 1

      The solution is to have license ratings, just like aircraft, limos, or 18 wheelers. Proper training for the application.

    128. Re:HUD by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      My point here being that, while some states are taking action to allow for technologies to be used in our every day lives, people still need to be aware of the laws of their states and the possible consequences.

      Lastly, I'm pretty sure I didn't see any need in my previous comment for your tone. I don't know if being a subscriber entitles you to also being a dick, or if you're just having one of those days. If you've ever read my comments, you'd have realized I don't talk out of my ass.

      So in reality, it's not illegal anywhere in US, you were talking out of your ass, you make idiotic excuses, and you feel indignant about your bullshit being called. I see.

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    129. Re:HUD by Hunter+Shoptaw · · Score: 1

      Just because a trial is overturned does not make the law void. Just because you feel the innate need to try to call BS on a post you don't want to take the time to understand because you don't like the information in the post, doesn't mean I'm out of line in pointing out solid evidence that the point is in fact valid. Note here what while I'm attempting to have, and fully open to, an adult, logical debate, you're only argument has been "Nuh, Uh prove it," and name calling. Neither of which are logical arguments anywhere except with the possible exception of congress and elementary schools.

    130. Re:HUD by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      Just because a trial is overturned does not make the law void.

      No. Wiretaps are universally defined as recordings that contain audio, and someone ignorantly trying to claim that it applies to video, does not make it a law.

      Just because you feel the innate need to try to call BS on a post you don't want to take the time to understand because you don't like the information in the post, doesn't mean I'm out of line in pointing out solid evidence that the point is in fact valid.

      It doesn't. But the fact that you have posted BS, most certainly does.

      Note here what while I'm attempting to have, and fully open to, an adult, logical debate, you're only argument has been "Nuh, Uh prove it,"

      "Prove it" is the only kind of debate that is acceptable when facts are concerned. We are not discussing interpretations -- you made a very specific claim, claim contradicts facts, I have called your bullshit, you wrote something that stretches "law" to "anything anyone claimed in court", what is still bullshit.

      and name calling.

      I did not call you any names. "Talking out of your ass" is a perfectly valid description of producing baseless bullshit.

      Neither of which are logical arguments anywhere except with the possible exception of congress and elementary schools.

      You fail at logic.

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    131. Re:HUD by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      HUDs which notify the driver of the current speed limit at all times will reduce ticket revenue

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    132. Re:HUD by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      "With street lighting".

      I believe the HWY code is 30mph in a built up area with streetlighting, 70mph on dual carriageway and 60 otherwise unless signed.

    133. Re:HUD by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah!!! I didn't win that £10 gift voucher in that highway code quiz for nothing...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_speed_limits_in_the_United_Kingdom#National_speed_limits

    134. Re:HUD by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      Loving how you're arguing with me while quoting an identical table.

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    135. Re:HUD by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      "Arguing"? Hardly. And I never read down to the table. I figured you were referring to the paragraph at the top.

    136. Re:HUD by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      Fair enough :-) I was including the table.

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  2. Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by FictionPimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It could display driving speed, detect emergencies and notify you of them, pop up weather warnings. Overall I see a device with a HUD giving you an advantage driving..

    1. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by dlp211 · · Score: 1

      It could warn you when you are making bad driving decisions such as taking your eyes off the road, and driving with one hand. It could increase awareness of cars that are decelerating as well as let you know when you are tailgating, or speeding, and it can also alert you to disable vehicles which will allow you to move over a lane to give the stranded pedestrian room to work on their car or emergency vehicle to reach the car quickly.

    2. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by alien9 · · Score: 2

      and pics of cats for sure.

    3. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by Annirak · · Score: 2

      There go my plans for a LiDAR, RADAR overlay HUD to provide better visibility in snow, fog, low-light, etc. Baby, bathwater both defenestrated.

    4. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Probably not. If people looked in 2D, then yeah, I could see it, but in reality your eyes have a limited ability to keep multiple things in focus at once. We don't care about that for the most part because we're able to change focus very quickly.

      If a message comes up saying "Slow down, ice ahead", the reality is that you will take your eyes off the road to read the message, even though your eyes will still be pointing in the same direction.

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    5. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by DeathToBill · · Score: 1

      This is rather like saying that a mobile phone is an advantage when driving. After all, someone could text you a warning about traffic conditions ahead, or talk you through how to get somewhere, or you could use the camera in the phone to take photos of cars that are being driven dangerously. Yep, mobile phones are the next big advance in driver safety!

      Let's face it: If someone is wearing Google Glass while driving, there's a 99% chance they're using it to watch football, film or porn.

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    6. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      That's the beauty of a HUD, you don't actually look at it but through it. If you are focusing on the HUD, you are doing it wrong.

    7. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the FAA and the US Air Force don't fall under the jurisdiction of West Virginia's legislative decisions.

      Also, I can't recall hearing about commercial airplane pilots using head-mounted displays, and I think HUDs are uncommon for those crafts as well.

    8. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      And if GPS speed > 20kph disable non driving related functions.

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    9. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Actually you can glance at the message immediately without shifting your vision off the road through a transparent HUD. You'll lose focus and attention, but you retain motion and reflex, which make up greater than 90% of driving anyway: your focus is on a specific area in a specific direction, and your attention is usually mainly ahead; objects shifting out of their stable relative position quickly draw attention. Glancing at your cell phone moves your vision to a relatively large, opaque obstruction that severely limits your ability to process and react to occurrences on the road.

      There may be a net positive, with people worrying less about "oh I can't get a picture of that I'm driving..." or doing stupid shit like trying to whip out their camera phone, bring up the camera, and size up a good shot. Instead they just look, go "...click," and a picture is taken and stored. This alleviates the mental pressure of anxiety over a missed opportunity, releasing attention immediately to support vehicle operation. It also eliminates stupid peoples' poor prioritization by which they fumble around with their camera phones.

    10. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      Probably not. If people looked in 2D, then yeah, I could see it, but in reality your eyes have a limited ability to keep multiple things in focus at once. We don't care about that for the most part because we're able to change focus very quickly.

      That's a long solved problem [for HUD's], just make the display focus at infinity - that way you don't have to refocus. (Seriously folks, stop and think a minute... while Google Glass is new, HUD's aren't. These are old, long solved problems.)

    11. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      HUDs are still legal, and HUD !=HMD.

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    12. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      If a message comes up saying "Slow down, ice ahead", the reality is that you will take your eyes off the road to read the message, even though your eyes will still be pointing in the same direction.

      If only there were ways to indicate to drivers in a non-distracting way of conditions regarding their vehicle and surroundings. One might imagine a simple yellow light that blinks 3-4 times, or a pinging tone.

      Why, what havoc would occur if cars broadcast the diagnostic information to the driver to inform them of potential engine trouble, high temperatures, icy conditions, low oil, and other conditions. Drivers simply cannot process that much information and keep from turning into flaming balls of destruction.

      So you turn 'Driving mode on' with your HUD, and it flashes a small dot of light in a non obstructive manner if there is an accident ahead. My smartphone already does this through Waze, and I expect most standalone GPS units will soon as well as they connect into the in-car wifi.

      There are countless ways that current technology can be distracting.

      An easy way to reduce accidents from an already distracting technology? Ban speed cameras. Nothing like watching drivers overcompensate, or swivel their heads around as they are trying to look for the cameras.

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    13. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      Sucks for passengers/carpoolers/sluglines/metro/bus riders.

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    14. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by rioki · · Score: 1

      Actually reading and displaying the speed limit and your current speed works great. If you are diving in Germany for example, where there is no basic speed limit on the Autobahn but often they will limit your speed to 120 km/h for specific sections or traffic conditions (LED displays that change dynamically). So you are cruising at 200 km/h (aka low altitude flying) and you miss the 120 km/h sign, you instantly loose your drivers license. If you have a system, like I did with the car I rented this week end, that superimposes the current speed limit and current speed on a HUD, you need to willfully break the speed limit, you can't miss the small symbol hovering over your hood.

    15. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

      We don't care about that for the most part because we're able to change focus very quickly.

      You're confusing depth perception with focus, and no, we don't actually focus all that quickly, and no, the message could be projected in your field of vision as if it were floating well ahead of you, so there would be no focus change. Even if you had to refocus your eyes, you'd still be seeing the road no differently than if you were looking at a bug on your windshield.

      In your common sense anti-Glass rationalizing, did you even consider that we're constantly reading things all the time while driving, much of it essential to the task at hand, and rarely is it ever on the road itself? I guess we should outlaw signs, too.

    16. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by cob666 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, all of the GPS devices I've used that display the speed limit, the speed limits are included with the map data and aren't dynamic.

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    17. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by Wookact · · Score: 1

      Proper use of quote tags and/or using the preview function will increase the number of people who will read your post.

    18. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Sucks for passengers/carpoolers/sluglines/metro/bus riders.

      So? Those don't exist in the USA.~

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    19. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by F9rDT3ZE · · Score: 1

      this is a particular kind of fallacious pro-technology argument that deserves some attention: "it has a good use, so it should be allowed." this is a fallacy because the good use doesn't discount or prevent the bad use. they are, generally, entirely separate issues. Further, in this case, there are specific technologies available and in development to do the driving-specific tasks you name.There has already been controversy about computer technologies in automobiles not directly related to driving. I believe the state of law and industry practice right now is that HUD interfaces that give driving information, like dashboard tools directly related to driving, are acceptable, but that there is great concern over displays (even ones for controlling the stereo, heat of the car, etc.) that aren't directly related to the road in front of the driver. This is why GPS systems get locked out, even though they are directly related to driving--even the little bits of interaction drivers do with them can be distracting. People wildly overestimate their ability to focus on such tools, even when they are related to the drive. (I include myself.) the issue with Google Glass has nothing to do with this: it is the availability of tools *not* related to driving. slashdot readers know that there is no way to put a "lock" on Glass that creative users won't get around. if and when someone develops a HMD that is solely devoted to driving, I suspect that would have to be legislated separately, although it's hard to see why that would be more useful and/or not integrated into the manufacturer's HUD. Of course, Google's Driverless Cars will soon make much of this moot anyway. Sort of.

    20. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by Wookact · · Score: 1

      What if it used the camera to determine if you were sitting behind the wheel? Disable for anyone behind the wheel, but leave everyone else alone?

    21. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by metrometro · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about the ads!

    22. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by DeathToBill · · Score: 1

      So, what you're saying is, people will do stupid shit with it, but not quite as stupid shit as they'd do without it?

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    23. Re:Couldn't a HUD actually help you drive safer? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Essentially, yes. You can't legislate away stupidity. Before we banned texting while driving, idiot teens and college kids (extended teens) would hold their phone up to the window to watch the road while texting--nasty shit. We banned that, so they hold their phone in their lap, stare forward, and shift their eyes down to look at their crotch while driving--a lot worse.

      The adverse consequences of allowing Google Glass use in cars may be smaller than the adverse consequences of banning cell phone use in cars. If that turns out to be true, then Google Glass may become a mitigation factor to reduce the combined risk caused by banning cell phone use while driving and by cell phones having features like cameras etc that people want to use while driving: the bans push people to avoidance techniques but not necessarily to safer (and often to more dangerous) behavior, but Google Glass gives a safer behavior that carries less perceived personal risk (i.e. legal consequences--these people are ignoring the PHYSICAL risks) and so suddenly becomes attractive.

      IF Google Glass is safer, THEN the combined effect of the presence of Google Glass and the ban on use of cell phones to talk, text, and take pictures while driving SHOULD result in a safer situation than the ban alone. We'll need to examine this after Google Glass becomes popular and decide if there is a Performance Deviation here; banning it ahead of time is stupid.

      Right now, the ban SHOULD result in a safer situation because people cease to engage in the banned behaviors, but the ACTUAL performance is that some subset of people continue to engage in even more dangerous behaviors. That SHOULD/ACTUAL defines a Performance Deviation (see Kepner-Tregoe Problem Analysis), and I haven't carried out a Problem Specification, but I can tell you that the life cycle is that the ban has NEVER performed as expected (SHOULD), and that the newer and more dangerous behaviors started when the ban was put in place.

      The problem seems to be people are determined, so you need a decision on how to correct the Performance Deviation. More enforcement? Implausible. Other outlets? Google Glass is a possibility; what are the Adverse Consequences? (We could do a real Decision Analysis between various technological and actionable plans to reduce the Performance Deviation to determine their suitability and then analyze their adverse consequences; I haven't, and this is mostly irrational, but I am suggesting it and it can be put on the table for further analysis).

  3. HUD by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

    It seems a bit to reactionary to something that could actually be a bonus. No, people shouldn't be driving while reading email, etc, but I'd much prefer a HUD stype presentation of speed, RPM, direction, vehicle status than looking at the dash. Some cars used to have HUD displays and it worked reasonable well. Likewise, it would be nice to have a record of what happened in the case of an accident, seeing amn accident, or a drunk driver, etc. This seems to be trying to ban the device in general, not how it's used. There are some uses that it would be an exceptional tool for.

  4. That's why we need driverless cars! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

    Somebody should really work on a system where the single occupant of a car could geek out on the internet with all their little gadgets, and still put nobody in danger. Especially Google would benefit from something like that. Oh wait, might this be why it's Google themselves who are working on driverless cars? And we all thought it was just a sideshow to their main business...

    1. Re:That's why we need driverless cars! by TheSync · · Score: 1

      Oh wait, might this be why it's Google themselves who are working on driverless cars?

      That is one of the deepest insights I've ever seen on Slashdot. Google wants driverless cars to get 1-2 hours per day per person of more Internet advertising viewing!

  5. Oh yeah, I'm sure it would be used as an aid... by oic0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In reality, it will rarely be used as a HUD. We all know with a fair degree of certainty it will be used for things like email, video, texting, etc... Sure it may have the possibility of being useful, but that is NOT what it will be used for. Just like most cellphones in cars aren't being used for GPS and traffic allerts. People these days are just too distracted while they drive. Most people barely have enough intelligence to safely pilot a vehicle to begin with. Cellphones have made things much worse. Having things distractions constantly put into your line of sight will be ever worse. While people do have rights, on the road you holding the lives of others in the balance so some of your personal freedom takes a back seat. As a motorcyclist, I think texting while driving should get you a DUI and be pursed just as heavily.

    1. Re:Oh yeah, I'm sure it would be used as an aid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself. As a fellow motorcyclist, as much as I bitch about other drivers on the road, I'm not so deluded as to think I'm the -only- person on the road who knows what I'm doing and uses technology responsibly. Driving distracted should absolutely be considered impairment under DUI laws, but distraction is a behavior, not a device. The answer to the problem is not to start ticketing everyone who has a device of ambiguous use. When texting and driving was banned in my state, accident rates from it actually went up, because irresponsible drivers started holding their phones down below the dash while texting to keep it out of sight, and couldn't keep the road in their peripheral vision at all. These laws only hurt responsible drivers. Me? I break multiple laws every day, because wearing earphones and touching an electronic device while on the road are both illegal in my state, but that's how I interface with my GPS, because it's the safest and most responsible way to do it without taking my eyes off the road.

      But hey, let's criminalize more objects that could be used by responsible drivers to make them safer, because we have no faith in irresponsible drivers not to abuse them. It's way easier than watching for irresponsible behavior and driving impairment.

    2. Re:Oh yeah, I'm sure it would be used as an aid... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      What certainty do you have other than your own suspicions exactly?

      You did a study? You read a study?

      Stop propagating FUD because you have an assumption and start using data.

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  6. it will be different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It could display driving speed, detect emergencies and notify you of them, pop up weather warnings. Overall I see a device with a HUD giving you an advantage driving..

    The same was said for texting.

    But what WILL happen is that folks are going to install a Tweet app and will be tweeting, texting, looking at news, etc ... while wearing these glasses.

    I know without a doubt that it will happen.

    1. Re:it will be different by Riceballsan · · Score: 1


      Absolutely will happen yes... But is the law such a good idea. Like all technologies there are good and bad ways it could be used. Now if we were to make the law just say "you cannot text, browse the internet etc... while driving" and rule that glasses are not an exception, that would cover things as far as the law should go. Are people going to do it anyway? of course, but that isn't a fair question A fair question is, how many more people are going to do it anyway that aren't now, because there are certainly a good number of people who will do it no matter what, and the means will do it has different risks. Current means, Keep phone etc... below and out of sight of the window, which generally involves turning their head to the point where the windshield is barely in the corner of their eye as they look. While if they are cheating by using glass. The road is perfectly in their line of sight, if something or someone jumps in their field of view while they are texting, car slams on it's breaks etc... they have a drastically higher chance of responding compared to the person looking down.

  7. Just... by kiriath · · Score: 1

    Douchebag

  8. Re:Unenforceable by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    We've ventured into the realm of unnecessary laws.

    For a very long time

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  9. Re:Unenforceable by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    How would you enforce this law when the glasses could look like simple sunglasses? We've ventured into the realm of unnecessary laws.

    How could you possibly ban drunk driving? You can't even smell alcohol through the windshield!

  10. If I was paranoid... by TVmisGuided · · Score: 1

    ...I'd say the lawmaker was worried about the possibility of the Google Glass user recording what transpires at a traffic stop.

    Good thing I'm not paranoid.

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    1. Re:If I was paranoid... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      ...I'd say the lawmaker was worried about the possibility of the Google Glass user recording what transpires at a traffic stop.

      Good thing I'm not paranoid.

      Given that dash cams are 100% legal and start at under $100(typically slightly over if you want GPS included), I'd say that your paranoia needs to use Occam's razor a bit more frequently...

      A device with a cell connection is somewhat more likely to get footage offsite even if you end up assaulting the officer's fist with your face, repeatedly; but you could plaster a car with dash-cams(including the flavor that has the camera module connected by a video cable to a recording box embedded deeper in the vehicle), for the price of a single head-mount unit.

  11. Need for Emphasis on Public Transport by fygment · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Google Glass is likely just the start of the more intimate computing interface industry. So either the industry flops and so no problem, or the industry takes off.

    In the latter case, safety would dictate that either cars be made more autonomous (less dependent on driver control) or that public transport be changed to accomodate. Not sure what you could do for the latter but right now the big disincentive to public transport is lack of reliability, privacy, and cleanliness. Improvements would likely turn the tide. As for funding, if say, half the cost of annual private vehicle ownership were instead put completely in to the public transport infrastructure, wouldn't that be sufficient to fuel and sustain the required changes?

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    1. Re:Need for Emphasis on Public Transport by metrometro · · Score: 1

      You forgot availability. If If could hop a train to skip my 1.25 hour commute, I'd be on it in a heartbeat. Funding is an issue, but inter-jurisdictional planning is also a major barrier to getting anything useful done. Of course, big pots of Federal money tend to make the locals work together.

  12. Why? by sqlrob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Enforce the distracted driving laws, done. Covers all current and future technology.

    1. Re:Why? by krovisser · · Score: 1

      +90000 Stop making new laws for every new tech.

    2. Re:Why? by rogueippacket · · Score: 1

      Enforcing the current distracted driving laws against Google Glass would be difficult - to an observer outside of your car, they look just like regular eyeglasses. The tell-tale "hand to ear" or "eyes to crotch" visual queues are gone. It's much easier to simply pass a law banning their use outright, meaning you can be charged if you are ever pulled over while wearing them.
      Alternatively, laws like these may force Google to put safeguards into the product which detect when you are driving and prevent you from using text input or displaying any video, email, text messages, etc. My Volkswagen prevents me from doing any complex data entry when I am not parked, and restricts me to voice commands only. It's quite effective.

    3. Re:Why? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      There are actual reasons why things that look like they are covered under distracted driving become their own violations.

      A trial, to claim distracted driving the prosecution has to reprove every time that an action constitutes a distraction. That mean hiring an expert witness, then the defense's expert witness, then the time spent covering the same facts again and again that are not specific to the case. Also, at the time of citation the citing officer does not have independently decide how to argue that something constitutes a distraction and can avoid cases where later on the citation is thrown out.

    4. Re:Why? by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      If they're not weaving or following too closely, are they distracted by the glasses?

    5. Re:Why? by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      Where did I say no one would ever get distracted by the glasses?

      Stopping the problem != making a law specifically outlawing it, as can be seen by your own speeding example. Have an advertising campaign (ever see the "Speed Kills" one?), pull over people weaving and tailgating and speeding, regardless of why.

    6. Re:Why? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      If they're not weaving and braking late and following too close and changing lanes without signalling, who gives a damn?

      Stop assuming people are distracted to a degree that matters just because they're adjusting the volume while driving.

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    7. Re:Why? by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

      The point is not to enable pulling people over.

      The point is to make it possible to ticket people for wearing them when they're in an accident, and assigning the fault OF the accidents people will undoubtedly be IN while wearing the device.

      And also to make it easier to investigate weather someone was wearing one DURING the accident or not, the way we're able to tell now with cell phones and texting.

      Generally my attitude is that most new laws are a bad idea and a gratuitous waste of time and taxpayer money, primarily for lawmakers self-aggrandizement and re-elect-ability. In this instance, however, this is not necessarily the case. If you cause an accident wearing this stupid device, you should be found at fault, and you should have to pay, just like all the asshole cell phone users clogging-up the roads causing accidents and being a hazard should be fined and have to pay dearly for being such selfish, ignorant, hazardous douchebags.

  13. Re:Finally glasses with proper hosts file support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    hosts files

  14. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

    Well accident and insurance records say yes. In general it is one of those categories where the extra motor skills, health etc... instead of being applied to driving are being applied to texting, hitting on the attractive person in the passenger seat, eating, applying makeup etc... It's like when a new piece of hardware comes out with faster and better processing power etc... but then the software manufacturers burn every ounce of extra processing power and then some on useless wigits, apps and animations, making it actually perform worse at the primary function. Think early vista in the days when many new computers were being sold with 1-2gb of ram.

  15. All laws should be based on data.... by neorush · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Once again creating a law for a perceived problem with no data to show it is required. I would think this system would be better, you could Bluetooth your cars info onto the display and it would be less distracting than looking down at the speedometer constantly. Also, this is a good way to kill a cool product like this: http://www.bikebone.com/Heads-Up-Display-for-Motorcycles-FAQs.htm

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    1. Re:All laws should be based on data.... by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      This law isn't banning HUDs, it is banning HMDs.

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    2. Re:All laws should be based on data.... by rogueippacket · · Score: 1

      No data, eh? Drink some coffee, take a deep breath, then click on the link. Any level of distraction is a bad thing, it seems.
      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=distracted+driving+statistics

    3. Re:All laws should be based on data.... by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Again Your saying that the Data we have collected for years on distracted driving is useless??

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  16. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by Albanach · · Score: 1

    Young people in good health, with good motor skills and high response time are the worst drivers, right?

    In my experience as a driver, going a little slower, leaving a little more room between vehicles and using turn signals properly all contribute far more to my safety than I would gain from beter motor skills and a faster response time. Your extra tenth of a second in response time is worthless if you've already crashed into the car in front because you were too close.

    My experience came the hard way but, alongside, there were some good lessons in not being overconfident.

  17. Re:Makes No Sense! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Military pilots -- flying multi-million dollar machines loaded with all kinds of nasty stuff -- don't have a problem with heads-up displays and helmet-mounted sights. These are considered to be useful tools. Why doesn't glass fall into the same category? Maybe a driving app coupled to a sensor suite on a car?

    I suspect that the delta between passing a driver's test and being declared flight-ready for 30 million taxpayer dollars with added explosives has something to do with it...

    The fact that military HUDs don't tend to have twitter clients or porn playback support might also be a difference.

  18. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Young people in good health, with good motor skills and high response time are the worst drivers, right?

    The precise shape of the curve isn't 100% clear; but new drivers are shitty drivers. It takes time to accumulate the experience that weak hominids need to respond automatically to common situations that are at or beyond the edge of being slow enough to respond to by conscious thought.(inconveniently, since the problem is inexperience rather than merely youth raising the starting driver's age helps less than people would like.

    Once they get some experience, young drivers are better than older drivers; because their vision, reflexes, and motor skills are superior, and the amount of additional improvement possible from additional experience tapers off.

    From there, it's all downhill; but old people vote at substantial rates compared to the population at large, so they are less likely to be taken off the road.

  19. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by alen · · Score: 1

    yep

    all the stupid kids i see speeding, running stop signs, texting, yapping on cell phones while driving because they think they are the best driver on the road

  20. I will say it again by willy+everlearn · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Shut Up, Put down the G** D*** Computer and DRIVE! You are controlling a piece of heavy machinery that can do an INSANE amount of damage.

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  21. No: Re:All laws should be based on data.... by efitton · · Score: 1

    Some laws should be based on history and common sense. You want to require that their be statistical significance first, at which point hundreds or thousands of people are already dead. We have data on distracted driving and, not shockingly, the results are terrible. This isn't crazy talk, it is a common sense extension. We can loosen the rules later without having caused fatalities.

    Some idiot was watching TV in his car this morning, swerving all over the place. Think he'll be using Google Glass for HUD? Yeah, I don't think so either.

    1. Re:No: Re:All laws should be based on data.... by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      So your saying that the years data we already have on distracted driving is of no value?

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    2. Re:No: Re:All laws should be based on data.... by neorush · · Score: 1

      The point isn't is it distracting, of course it is. There should be a law against eating in the car if we are trying to eliminate all distractions.

      But would this type of device be less distracting than your dashboard display? Or how about trying to dial your "hands free" device?

      I don't know of any data on HUD's vs standard console. I know that my Harley speedometer which is basically on my fuel tank takes waaay more time to focus on than my Victory speedometer which is more on top of the handle bars. A HUD like Glass would be awesome on a bike. My handlebar mounted GPS is very hard to focus on if I have to, I rely on the voice/earpiece commands for turn by turn when on a long trip, but I still have to look at it sometimes.

      I feel like this kind of use in a car would lower accidents, would folks possible be watching a tv show while driving down the road? Yes, but would it be better to be in a HUD? or an iPad in the center console? Where is the data to show that a HUD based phone, GPS, etc is truly the dangerous option?

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    3. Re:No: Re:All laws should be based on data.... by efitton · · Score: 1

      Then why don't we do the FDA approach to new meds. Get data that proves a benefit without the risk and then we'll approve it. You're doing it backwards.

    4. Re:No: Re:All laws should be based on data.... by efitton · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that. I'm saying we should use that data until we get data on specific things like google glass. Grandparent was lets approve all drugs until they are shown to kill people, etc.

  22. This is stupid by Endo13 · · Score: 1

    If anything, Glass could make texting less dangerous. Texting is currently highly dangerous because you have to completely look away from driving and focus on the phone. And you can't and never will stop such cell phone use from happening and creating accidents because it's way too difficult for law enforcement to see and prove. (Hint: it's not just texting, it's also things like phone GPS.) So we're going to legislate away something that could make it less dangerous? Brilliant.

    If simple distractions really were that high-risk, we shouldn't be driving at all because they happen all the time. Even things like road signs or checking something on the dashboard can be as distracting as Glass would be.

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  23. If only... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    If only there were laws about "dangerous driving" or "reckless driving" or (here in the UK) "Driving without due care and attention" so that the cops could book anybody who clearly wasn't in control of their vehicle, whether they were eating spaghetti, doing their makeup, performing a lewd act with their passenger, coding in FORTH using a Microwriter chord keyboard* or using their quantum degrebulator. Then there would be no need to come up with a new, specific, law for every new gadget that was invented.

    If only. Mp>(* to keep your other hand free for operating your mobile phone, of course...)

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    1. Re:If only... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      so that the cops could book anybody who clearly wasn't in control of their vehicle,

      Those laws exist, but they are tough to enforce, and the population is always taken aback when they are charged with these offenses since they are are a purely subjective assessment, and that woman in front of me putting her eyeliner on while talking on the phone was still in her lane and hadn't actually hit anyone... yet. And besides it isn't against the law to put on eyeliner and talk on the phone if she does it safely...

      Banning something makes it easy to communicate to the public that they aren't allowed to do it, and that they can expect a ticket if they do. Its not some grey area where they can get away with it as long as they aren't weaving too much when the cop sees them.

    2. Re:If only... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      And besides it isn't against the law to put on eyeliner and talk on the phone if she does it safely...

      First, I don't think it would be hard to convince a court that it is impossible to do that safely.

      Plus, it is probably easier for a cop to spot that a car is driving erratically than it is to see if the driver is holding a phone.

      Then, in the Google Glass case, several people have pointed out that if used sensibly as a HUD it could actually improve safety.

      Finally, if you just put a simplistic blanket ban on phones then you invite a lot of soft-targetting by cops. Gridlock? Grab a donut and stroll down the row of square-wheeled cars and play spot the cellphone. If there's a handy service lane on the road, just cruise down 5 miles of stationary traffic and you're bound to pick up a few people phoning in late. Ker-ching. Making gadget usage just part of the evidence for dangerous driving and you avoid that.

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    3. Re:If only... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Then, in the Google Glass case, several people have pointed out that if used sensibly as a HUD it could actually improve safety.

      But it won't be. People will read the news, watch youtube videos, surf the web for porn, compose email, update their facebook relationship status and anything else.

      And the police won't be able to touch them as long as they are cruising in their lane.

      Then they fail to stop at a cross walk and run over someone two blocks later because they were busy retweeting something.

      Even the 'good guys' would have to remember to put it into 'driving mode' every single time they get behind the wheel. Otherwise their 'sensible' driving assist features will be mooted by SMS alerts, email notifications, and whatever else it will be able to do.

      Finally, if you just put a simplistic blanket ban on phones then you invite a lot of soft-targetting by cops.

      Agreed. But your example is somewhat mooted by the existence of handsfree kits which are legal and encouraged. And the whole 'ker-ching' side of things can be addressed via appropriate policy and public feedback. Some police forces are out playing the 'revenue game' like that, but despite our high awareness of instances where its happened, most police forces don't.

      Making gadget usage just part of the evidence for dangerous driving and you avoid that.

      The fundamental problem with this is that its like driving drunk.

      A lot of people can drive impaired without it being catastrophically obvious that they're impaired. Their lane control can be fine, but they are less aware of their surroundings and their reaction time is lower. So they can drive past the cop at the intersection just fine and he won't see anyting overtly dangerous about their driving, and then two blocks further they run over a kid in the crosswalk that they didn't notice.

      The same applies to distracted driving.

      I remember making and taking calls on my phone when it was legal, and my lane control was generally perfectly fine. I won't dispute that my overall awareness was likely reduced and that my reaction time was potentially effected, but its not like dialing a phone sent me careening into oncoming traffic.

      If we want people not to drive while using cellphones and other gadgets then we do need to ban them. If we rely on the catchall of dangerous driving -- then we have to demonstrate that they were driving dangerously. And most of the time, that's not obvious. Its usually not until something unexpected happens that someone driving impaired or inattentively is caught out. Its only the most extreme cases where they are weaving around like lunatics even just when trying to go with traffic flow.

  24. Ban all distractions by 2gravey · · Score: 1

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. When are we as a society going to wake up and enact a ban on building those little ships in bottles while driving? I can't think a of more unsafe practice. It's high time we put a stop to this and every other specific distraction that could feasibly occur while driving. Who is with me on this!?! Call your congressman today. No building bottle ships while driving!!!

    1. Re:Ban all distractions by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Ban all distractions by 2gravey · · Score: 1

      My point exactly.

  25. Studies need to be done by BetaDays · · Score: 1

    Anyone know where I can send my grant proposal? I figure several million dollars will be needed so I can go around the testing this theory that people will be distracted by this HUD thing. I expect tests in age and a few conditions and settings and so forth will be necessary). I expect to end it with a conference in tropical a paradise where notes on this will be shared after my paper on this are sent and accepted by several peer review papers.

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  26. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

    It goes both ways.

    On one hand, the young always think "they know better" and thus think their reflexes and novice-skills are on-par with the team from "Too Fast / Too Furious" so they act carelessly. Add to that, they're pretty easily distracted... texting, talking on the phone, looking at the girl (or pal) in the next seat while talking, etc. I've had a LOT of near-misses due to some idiot kid. One gave me the finger and yelled at me because he ran a stop sign. Trying to tell them that they're doing something wrong, and they think YOU're the clueless one.

    On the other hand, some older (octogenarian) drivers think all of their experience / practice at driving makes up for their lack of reflexes and such. The problem is, some of these people refuse to admit they have eye-sight problems and/or mental issues. Try to tell one they're doing something wrong and you get: listen, I've been doing this for 50 years, I know what I'm doing. OK fine, but back then you had the reflexes and the eyesight to deal with this issues during the night.

    To be honest, some of the biggest "OMFG what the heck is he doing" moments were with some really old-folks: like watching some old woman drive through the parking lot diagonally, not stopping, almost hitting a moving car, and pedestrian having to RUN out of the way all in one shot. But the young are often just as bad.

    At least parents will ground their kids and/or take away the keys or something for a while. I don't know many families willing to confront their grandparents and such to take away THEIR keys.

  27. We don't really new new laws, do we? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    Maine Statute MRSA 29-A:sec 1921:BR> A person may not operate a motor vehicle equipped with a television viewer, screen or other means of visually receiving a television broadcast that is visible to the operator. This section does not apply to a law enforcement officer using a video camera or other video equipment for law enforcement purposes. [1995, c. 584, Pt. B, 7 (AMD).]
    And sec1923, "Reading while operating a motor vehicle prohibited"
    An operator may not read printed material including but not limited to, a newspaper, book, brochure or pamphlet, while operating a motor vehicle. Printed material does not include a map or written directions to a specific location. [1999, c. 183, 7 (NEW).]

    Arizona Statute ARS 28-963, which looks liek it may have (inadvertently, perhaps) exempted text-only devices:
    A. A person shall not view a broadcast television image or a visual image from an image display device while that person is driving a motor vehicle and the motor vehicle is in motion on a public roadway or on an off-highway vehicle trail as defined in section 28-1171.
    B. A person shall not operate a motor vehicle with an image display device that is visible to a driver seated in a normal driving position when the vehicle is in motion..
    C. This section does not apply to any of the following:.
    1. Emergency vehicles.
    2. Image display devices that do any of the following:.
    (a) Display images that provide a driver with navigation and related traffic, road and weather information..
    (b) Provide vehicle information, controls or information related to driving a vehicle..
    (c) Enhance or supplement a driver's view of the area to the front, rear or side of the vehicle..
    (d) Permit a driver to monitor the vehicle occupants seated behind the driver..
    (e) Display information intended to enhance traffic safety..
    3. Image display devices that are built into the motor vehicle and that do not display images to a driver while the vehicle is in motion..
    4. Image display devices that are portable and are not used to display dynamic visual images other than for purposes of navigation or global positioning to a driver while the vehicle is in motion..
    5. Image display devices present in vehicles of a public service corporation or any political subdivision of this state and used for service or maintenance of its facilities..
    6. Any use of an image display device while the vehicle is parked..
    D. For the purposes of this section, "image display device" means equipment capable of displaying to the driver of a motor vehicle rapidly changing images that are either of the following:.
    1. A broadcast television image or similar entertainment content transmitted by other wireless means to the image display device..
    2. A dynamic visual image, other than text, from a digital video disc or other storage device. .

    I suspect most other states also prohibit video to the driver. When the courts hold that such devices as Glass fit this definition, game over. Much simpler.

    We are allowing our government to play fast and loose with new technology, thinking that they can get away with it because there's no prohibition in law, when in fact there is both applicable law and, in many instances, no ENABLING LAW, by which I mean no permission. Our constitution doesn't intend to limit citizens so much as it intends to limit GOVERNMENT , but that's another rant, another time.

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  28. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by Albanach · · Score: 1

    You're an n off 1. The facts are quite obvious, young drivers make up a disproportionate number of casualties in auto-accidents. Sure the elderly may also be a high risk group. In-between, however, there's a group who have more experience and fewer accidents.

    I didn't comment on Google Glass, I responded to a post above which was questioning whether or not young drivers are actually worse, despite their faster reaction times. I'm pretty sure any actuary will confirm that yes, as a group, young drivers are more dangerous.

  29. Hearsay in United States law by pdfsmail · · Score: 1

    This is hearsay, there is no evidence for or against Google glass, I would expect this to not pass or be overturned on the basis of hearsay until there is EVIDENCE that google glass is a hazard... not just an opinion based on statement or thought... which the hearsay rule is generally aimed at prohibiting. Although the way things are now days I should expect this to be ignored due to lack of respect for our laws and rules over personal feelings and reactions...

  30. Re:Ban the behavior, not the device. by number11 · · Score: 1

    That said, if they pass this law here, I'll ignore it. I've been waiting something like 8 years for a device I could use as a HUD in my motorcycle helmet, and I'm not about to let some insipid lawmaker ruin that for me because "for the children" etc. There will always be some irresponsible retard that does something stupid with anything. The correct course of action is to ban behaviors that get other people hurt, and let behavior that gets yourself hurt work itself out.

    We're not so worried about motorcycle riders. You're presumably well aware of the fact that whoever gets hurt in an accident, you'll probably be at the head of the list. If you abuse google glasses natural selection will deal with the problem, and relatively few innocent bystanders will be endangered.

    But, if you've been riding anywhere around automobiles, you've surely noticed that even now not all automobile drivers are aware of their surroundings, even without HUDs. Those are the ones who'll be killing other people, like maybe you. And, if things work out the way they usually seem to, they won't personally have a scratch on them. Distracted driving laws don't do shit, of the distracted drivers you've personally encountered on the road, how many of them have gotten pulled over there and then? Do you really want to allow heavy-equipment operators (which is what drivers are) to be posting on facebook while they're operating their machines? How about that guy who's driving the semi with the oversized load that's overtaking you? How about grandpa at the wheel of the new Winnebago that's way wider than his Ford Escort admiring pictures of the grandkids?

    The only solution I can think of that excludes you is to allow head-mounted displays, but only displays that are technically restricted from displaying anything other than a specified list of driving-related information (e.g. stuff that instruments now provide). Yeah, they'll get hacked some, but you make violations automatic revocation of license time. That would solve the problem, because no driver will even be interested in something with that kind of limited functionality.

  31. Restricted Line of Sight by Rastl · · Score: 1

    A lot of states already have laws on the books that prevent things that restrict the line of sight. A lot of that crap you see hanging from rear view mirrors can get you a ticket if you're already pulled over for something else. And this is as it should be.

    Google Glasses fall into this same category. You're blocking part of your field of vision with a display of distracting material. What happens when there's a motorcycle in the same visual area as that cute cat picture you're viewing on your nifty glasses?

    Notify the public that these devices are illegal based on existing law and you're fine. There's no need to add another one to the books.

  32. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by loufoque · · Score: 1

    The young are rash but they will realize when something bad is going on.
    The old are just completely clueless and just don't notice things.

  33. Re:HUD and Disabilities by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

    and your response should be to sue the city/state for every dime you can get due to ADA violations.

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  34. Occam's Razor by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

    No, we don't need a Glass-specific law; if we need anything, it is more intelligent drivers.

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  35. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    YES, they are. It has absolutely nothing to do with deficiencies in their motor skills. It has everything to do with their proclivity to take risks (willingly, or by under-estimation) and their lack of driving experience. These days, I would also argue that they have a greater propensity for being distracted by their gadgets.
    Look at a curve showing risk of accident vs. age. Huge drop from 15 to 25. Continues downward, and sort of levels off in the mid '40's range before having a slight up-tick in the early '60's.

  36. Infrared vision by mattr · · Score: 1

    Make a third-party, augmented reality platform for driving, platform independent so it drives competition to quickly improve.
    Will improve safety, driver wakefulness, driver awareness of environment, and so on. Also may provide an open platform on which to develop smart systems (like following other cars or warning about road conditions in the next mile that other cars have seen) that work on any brand of car.
    Components:

    - Imaging sensors such as infrared, microwave or something else distributed mostly in front of the car, some behind, a little on the sides. Use something that cuts through mist, snow, rain, smog so you can see the sides of the road in freezing mist or see a deer in the road far away at night. Also some low light sensors might be good to pick up where the taillights of cars in front of you are.

    - Displays: Google Glass might be perfect. HUD might be useful or something else. I like the idea of being able to take glasses off but an HUD that always will tell any driver what is standing in the road waiting for you to hit it at night would be a very good idea.

    - Processing hardware: competition among 3rd party manufacturers. Best if not tied to a certain model car, though BMW or Mercedes can certainly add more expensive sensors, etc.

    - Processing software framework: Open platform

    - Processing algorithms and engine: Similar competition, though if Google can't win this they better send their guys back to Carnegie Mellon
    I am willing to bet the insurance companies will love you to death and then get that stupid law deleted, all you need to do is disable messaging and go into a drive mode as someone else mentioned when you are in motion. Though reading text aloud or letting you send voice messages via voice controlled functionality sounds like it would be not as bad as talking to someone in the car who is with you.

  37. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by loufoque · · Score: 1

    Older people don't drive as much as young ones do and have safer cars.
    Of course they'd run into lethal accidents less often.

  38. Re:Ban the behavior, not the device. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    Do you chant 'For the greater good' before bed every night?

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  39. Re:5 cars with HUD by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

    Cadillac was offering as an option a HUD (FLIR) foward looking infra-red system activated with the headlights/wipers 20 years ago.

    As a Commercial driver at the time, I wanted the system due to safety concerns as an enhancement on my truck. Much easier to spot the vehicle in front of you in bad weather or the damn dear on the shoulder that's just waiting to jump in front of you during the night but vibration was a big issue. I said, put em on semis for testing and you'll soon figure out how to make them survive the damn vibration at the lowest cost. Would certainly have made the tech available on just about every vehicle by now.

    You're talking about a very specfic system designed as a primary purpose of enhancing road safety. That's not in the same field as a general information and entertainment providing device whose main purpose will be designed to provide Google with ad revenue.

  40. If police weren't such assholes ... by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    ... and traffic tickets were meant to be a deterrent rather than a revenue source, I'd advocate giving LEOs a lot more flexibility on the traffic laws. Speed limits painted on fixed signs which are valid 24/7/365 are dumb. Doing 10+ over the limit at 2:00AM on Sunday is a lot different than doing it at 5:00PM Friday. Universal BAC limit is also sort of stupid. A dedicated drinker at 0.85 is going to be less impaired than a non-drinker at 0.75. Same with this "distracted driving" stuff. Putting on your cosmetics and fixing your hair could be just as distracting/dangerous as using Google Glass.
    If only...

    1. Re:If police weren't such assholes ... by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      Ya i have to agree . Tickets are looked at as a revenue source and that should be against the law.

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  41. Interesting... by anyGould · · Score: 1

    So, I'm not allowed to wear Glasses while driving. Yet, I'm *required* to wear glasses while driving (due to my prescription).

    So, if my prescription glasses have Google Glass installed, am I supposed to or prohibited from wearing them?

  42. Re:HUD and Disabilities by Americano · · Score: 1

    He wears special glasses in order to drive safely and legally

    And if he actually needs them for a medical reason, he no doubt has a special exemption / restriction on his license specifying the nature of his issue & the gear required to let him operate a vehicle safely.

    As an example: NY state's page about driver's license restrictions - http://www.dmv.ny.gov/olderdriver/restriction.htm

    Likewise, your friend's father probably also has a restriction on his license stating that he can only safely operate vehicles equipped with hand controls. Likewise you probably have a restriction on your license specifying that you need hearing aids or a full-view mirror for your hearing issue.

    If you have an unusual condition that requires you to have an assistive device to operate a vehicle safely, then you will have a restriction stating that put on your license, and if you're pulled over, you simply point out that the glasses you're wearing are special medical devices that allow you to operate your vehicle safely, and the cop won't be able to do a damn thing about the fact that you're "wearing glasses."

  43. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

    Stats please.

    Show me the accident rate per distance driven by age breakdown and then eliminate drugs, alcohol and other non-age-related factors.

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  44. a worrying trend by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Creating laws based on assumptions rather than in response to a demonstrable problem sets a dangerous precedent. I worry whenever elective representatives begin to create new laws to "protect" us and make us "safe". What qualifies these people to make such judgments without any evidence? Are they experts on drivings, technology or human behavior? Or are our politicians shooting from the hip trying to both for a power grab and to make us think they are busy?

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  45. Re:Finally glasses with proper hosts file support by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    For the same reason your anonymous coward IP isn't blocked.

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  46. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by sessamoid · · Score: 1

    It makes no sense to eliminate drugs and alcohol in your statistical analysis. Use of mild-altering substances is part and parcel of being young and experimenting. It's like saying, show me the statistics, but take out those times when young people make bad judgments. Making bad judgments is part of being young. You can't take it out, because the subject group won't until they get older and more experienced.

    You can take them out statistically, but it would be irrelevant to the real world.

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  47. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by Americano · · Score: 1

    Older people don't drive as much as young ones do and have safer cars.

    Wrong. "Older" drivers drive as much or more than young drivers do, on average. The young drivers also are driving cars that had to pass safety inspections to be on the road legally, so I'm also fairly skeptical that there's a massive disparity in average car safety betwen older and younger drivers.

  48. Re:HUD and Disabilities by compro01 · · Score: 1

    Until an idiot lawmaker in a rush to ban something writes a law that doesn't consider those cases and proceeds to obliterate those exemptions.

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  49. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by loufoque · · Score: 1

    You can make statistics say what you want by choosing the right definition of "young" and "old".
    More expensive cars are quite safer than cheaper cars. Both cars meeting the same basic criteria doesn't mean that one isn't safer than the other.

  50. Re:HUD and Disabilities by Americano · · Score: 1

    Explain how hand controls or corrective lenses required to operate vehicles fall under the category of "wearable computers with head-mounted displays," and then I'll concede that this is a very, very slippery slope, indeed.

    Until then? Sorry, my friend, but GGP's concern about "outlawing wearing corrective lenses and hand controls" is simply not covered by this law.

  51. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by markdavis · · Score: 1

    >"Once they get some experience, young drivers are better than older drivers; because their vision, reflexes, and motor skills are superior, and the amount of additional improvement possible from additional experience tapers off."

    And yet studies don't actually show that. Young drivers are still more "fearless" and "reckless" and more "distracted" than older drivers and have far more accidents. Now *"OLD"* drivers are a different story, because at that point reaction time starts to dwindle, memory fails, overall processing is slower, vision is more impaired, etc.

    I am not going to try to set a point of "OLD" verses "older". But most 20-something drivers are still much worse, overall, than older 30, 40, or even 50 something drivers. If you don't believe me, ask any insurance agent.

  52. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by Americano · · Score: 1

    Tell you what - you provide a) a definition of "younger" and "older"; and b) credible sources that back up your claims that "younger drivers drive way more than older drivers," and then we'll talk.

    Until then, the US Federal Highway Administration and the Dept of Transportation would seem to me to be quite legitimate sources, and their numbers show that "younger drivers" do not drive more than "older drivers" for any non-ludicrous definition of "younger" and "older."

    More expensive cars are quite safer than cheaper cars. Both cars meeting the same basic criteria doesn't mean that one isn't safer than the other.

    Okay, I know a lot of 18 year olds driving brand new toyotas and hondas on their parents' dime. And I also know a lot of 35 year olds driving beat up, 20 year old Chevys. There's very little correlation between "age" and "cost of car." It's also not that hard to get an affordable, inexpensive car. The fact that some cheap cars are less safe than some expensive cars means nothing, unless you can show that younger drivers are overwhelmingly the drivers of these unsafe vehicles.

    Plenty of statistics show that younger drivers are involved in fatal crashes at a disproportionate rate. Provide some statistics to back up your assertions that this is incorrect, or kindly stop asking us to take your baseless assertions as remotely valid.

  53. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by loufoque · · Score: 1

    Both 18 and 35 are young. Also you're stereotyping based on minorities.

  54. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by Americano · · Score: 1

    1) When anybody with any knowledge of these things talks about "younger drivers" this typically means the 16-25-ish demographic. One more time, please present your statistics and definitions to support your wild-ass assertions.

    2) Stereotyping what, based on what minorities?

    If you're going to bother to respond to the questions I've posed or assertions I've made, you should probably provide some facts that contradict what I've said, or admit that you have no clue what you're talking about.

  55. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by loufoque · · Score: 1

    1) as I already said, the demographic boundaries are precisely chosen so as to maximize the accident "score". Also I didn't mean usian statistics in particular. In most other countries, driving is not permitted before 18.
    2) I cannot help you if pointing it out is not enough for you to reflect on what you said.

  56. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by Americano · · Score: 1

    1) You can talk about "demographic boundaries" all you want, but that's meaningless misdirection on your part. If 18 year olds are in more crashes, you can call that "young," "old," or nothing at all, and it won't change the fact that 18, 19, and 20 year olds are absolutely involved in more fatal crashes than drivers who are OLDER than 18, 19, 20. Draw the lines wherever you like, the conclusion will be the same: drivers on the "left hand" side of the chart (lower ages) will tend to be involved in more crashes and have more fatalities from driving. And yet they will drive less (and in some cases, significantly less) than the drivers on the right hand (older ages) side of the chart.

    I'm sorry to disrupt your sense of the exceptionalism of drivers outside of the US, but these proportions hold true across industrialized nations around the world.

    2) Great, not only are you incapable of providing any statistics or facts to support your claims, you also act like the most annoying ex-girlfriend in the world when challenged: "If you don't know what's wrong, I'm certainly not going to tell you."

    I'm sorry you're unable to provide any arguments to back up your wild assertions, but don't blame me for your inability to discuss the matter in a rational manner. You can't provide a definition of what you would consider "younger" and "older," and you haven't provided any statistics that could even remotely be interpreted to support your claim. I wish I could say it's been enjoyable debating the issue with you, but it hasn't been, because it's clear you're incapable of substantiating an opinion. Good day.

  57. In other words: if you are a driver, do not head to WV mountains with head-mounted display. Wonderful concept; wild, but wonderful.

  58. The Law of Google Glass by hicksw · · Score: 1

    It's Google. It's beta. Just ban ads (in cars).
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  59. Banning all head-up displays in Vehicles? by lpq · · Score: 1

    Hmmm.... no heads-up displays in vehicles?...

    Weren't heads-up displays supposed to be safer than having to move your eyes away from the reality-display you need to be viewing at the same time?

    Will this also cause air force pilots with such displays in the cockpit and helmets to no longer fly over or in such states??

    Seems only prudent...

    *hmmm*...

  60. Content of display by DrYak · · Score: 1

    High school kids cannot be compared to fighter pilots in any meaningful way with regards to the ability to safely operate a large machine with multiple points of distraction, on public roads, surrounded by other drives of various skills and levels of distraction.

    So it boils down to what is displayed in the Google Glass (and on the smartphone).

    It could be useful stuff to make driving more secure:
    - showing current speed
    - showing local speed limit
    - showing nav direction
    - showing collision avoidance info
    - showing radar/range detector info
    - showing current instant mileage

    If the glass is used to display actual useful information instead of distracting with e-mail it can increase safety instead of being a risk.

    (And same with a smartphone: A smartphone in the hand of a driver who is busy texting is a huge danger. A smartphone in a holder showing a map and telling direction is a driving help).

    So the law shouldn't forbid glasses per-se. It should forbid mailing/chatting/tweeting while driving. Or more generically "driving while distracted" as the top poster proposed.

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  61. Re:Young most vulnerable and underskilled drivers by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

    You still didn't cite any stats that show young people being the problem.

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