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Geeks On a Plane Proposed To Solve Global Tech Skills Crisis

judgecorp writes "British Airways' Ungrounded project proposes to shut 100 Silicon Valley 'gamechangers' in a trans-Atlantic plane and ask them to solve the world's tech skills crisis during a 12-hour flight to London. On arrival, the passengers will head into a conference where they will present their ideas to, among others, the UN. From the article: 'Ungrounded, as the project is called, will bring 100 “innovators” (Silicon Valley CEOs, thinkers and venture capitalists) on a private BA flight from San Francisco to London. During the flight, they will take part in a “global hack” run by Ideo, a design firm which has made mice for Microsoft and Apple.'"

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  1. Don't forget the free and open source people too by kthreadd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Put at least Stallman, ESR and Torvalds on that plane.

  2. suckers by eviljav · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They'll be great at brainstorming innovative ways of suckering gullible investors out of money, not sure what else "Silicon Valley CEOs, thinkers and venture capitalists" can do though.

  3. no tech skills crisis by dredwerker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can solve this on ten seconds. Stop asking for every stupid little skill on the job ad and people would match. A good programmer is a good programmer.

    End of rant :)

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    1. Re:no tech skills crisis by preaction · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To expound on this:

      Stop asking for 100% demonstrable skills up-front. You may need to spend some time on-the-job training.

      Stop paying executives so much so you can afford better workers.

      Old people are not outdated. Experience is actually worth something. Use some of that money you're saving by not having golden parachutes for C-levels.

      This entire crisis is manufactured.

    2. Re:no tech skills crisis by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. There are plenty of people with plenty of skills out there. If they accept the simple logic that unless they are willing to hire some people with less than X years experience in ABC, there will eventually be no people with X or more years experience left, they can make sure there will be plenty of skilled people for the future as well.

      The final bit is that they'll have to understand the old adage that if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

      If there was REALLY a serious shortage, they would either raise pay or offer better conditions (like 40 hour max weeks in the contract w/ more vacation time).

    3. Re:no tech skills crisis by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't forget education. The solution to any skill shortage is usually education. You are of course right though the hiring practices and working conditions play a big part in this particular one. Well that didn't take 12 hours.

  4. "Thinkers?" by Stiletto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do venture capitalists and CEOs know about innovation?

    1. Re:"Thinkers?" by hairyfish · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably more than you're average internet keyboard warrior who pours shit on every other profession except his/her own. Really, all this place seems to be these days is a bitchfest about how useless everyone else is. Politicians suck, CEOs are jerks, MBAs are wankers VCs are idiots, Marketing are tossers, HR are arseclowns... You need to get out of your basement. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it has no value.

  5. Global crisis? by wirehead_rick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only global crisis I am aware of is the desire for western companies to drive down tech engineering and programmers wages.

    What else could they be trying to solve on a freakin' plane?

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  6. They'll monetize the world's problems... by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is it they think SV CEOs and VCs really know how to do well actually?

    It isn't solve the world's problems, it's monetize them.

    It's more along the lines of turning what used to be a one-time $35 dollar product you purchase into a $8/month for-the-rest-of-your-life monthly service fee.

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  7. Is this the 'B' Ark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The rest will follow, right?

    (Captcha: wartime)

  8. Flight redirected by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Flight redirected... to india!

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  9. This could work by sjames · · Score: 5, Funny

    As long as they also put plenty of venomous snakes on the plane. They'll need more than one flight to cut out all of the deadwood at the top, but it's got potential.

  10. The wrong people by EdmundSS · · Score: 5, Insightful

    CEOs and VCs are not necessarily the people who have ideas, and if they do, they *already* have the means to express them. I'd rather see 100 respected, talented, peer-voted if necessary, folks on the panel: *true* technocrats, true innovators, not financial folks; people with ideas, sometimes wacky ideas, rather than folks money; the people who turn down a promotion to management because it would take them away from the detailed problem-solving.

  11. Skills Crisis ?... by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bull$"/?

    There's no skills crisis, there's a corporate unwillingness to pay for skill crisis.You want me, who has spent nearly three decades learning continuously, struggling to understand the latest IT technologies, some so bleeding edge that I helped form the damned standards, to work for the same amount of money I earned 30 years ago, while you, with your Business Administration undergraduate degree from Florida State take home nearly a million a year because you talk a maelstrom of bullshit every time you open your mouth.

    F % ( # Y O U

  12. Fix the problem by stretch0611 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To fix the shortage, you can start by paying people what they are worth. IT work requires education (either college, on the job, and/or continuing education classes) This is not cheap, it is not easy to keep up with, and employers should pony up the funds to keep talent that can handle it, and help with paying for it (with both money and time off for classes.) If you look at the market, the places willing to pay for the top talent will get it.

    Stop burn out... No one should ever be forced to work 50+ hour weeks on a regular basis. It may occasionally happen due to deadlines or support issues, but if it is a regular occurrence, there is a problem and it needs to be fixed. Many people leave the IT field due to stress, and this is a big reason.

    End age discrimination... While fixing the above items can help this, and it does not happen everywhere, this is out there. A person doesn't go instantly dumb at 40... While there are exceptions, most IT people are willing to learn, if you are moving everything to the cloud and your entire department only knows COBOL, whose fault is that? A little training can go a long way. Re-training your IT department for your needs is a smart investment, if you are loyal to your employees, most will actually become loyal to you...

    While I'm sure MBA's will disagree, if you change these policies, you will no longer have an IT shortage.

    And here is one more, this one is more the fault of education instead of corporations... (also, mostly about developers, but it might apply to other fields)
    We need to teach people how to program, not programming languages. There are too many people that learn a language without learning any programming concepts. They end up googling even simple programming solutions and slap crap together that needs to be rewritten with every minor spec change. The people that learned how to program will write something that is flexible and can be modified as the system evolves. Over time this will allow for time savings which will translate into needing fewer developers.

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  13. Re:Don't forget the free and open source people to by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good that you mention aspiration. Today, our brightest kids are thinking about the career to pursue, and are faced with the following choice: coast through law school and get a job that pays well and is well-respected (I meant by regular folks, not us). Grab a masters in business school and be a high earning manager or hot shot consultant. Or slog your way through a masters in tech, which is generally far more difficult and often takes longer as well, after which you'll have a job that earns you little respect and pay to match (that's not a coincidence, by the way). The find out that companies mostly offer only sucky career progression, often having no way up except going into middle management, where you end up at a level which your buddy who went to business school got right out of the gate, more or less. What the hell kind of choice is that?

    Back when I was deciding which uni to go to (in the late 80s), people already said you'd have to be mad to pick a career in tech, and since then things haven't improved any. I went anyway, as I prefer to do the things I love doing.

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  14. Re:Don't forget the free and open source people to by MareLooke · · Score: 5, Informative

    it would put people that actually matter there, making it a high risk operation

    only in the case of torvalds... the other two are just hacktivists

    Classifying RMS as "just a hacktivist" only highlights your ignorance. I suggest you read up on everything he's achieved (he started emacs, gdb and gcc to name a few) as a hacker before making such an unfounded claim.

    The fact that RMS also cares about people and not just about sating his own technological cravings is a positive point imho, whether I agree with him or not (and I often don't)

  15. Re:Don't forget the free and open source people to by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uh. No. I'm kind of hoping that plane crashes.

    Thing is, what made silicon valley what it was is a bunch of people trying all new things without the encumberance of a colon-full of patents and lawyers to spread them around. (See what I did there? It was intentional... let the image sink in.)

    Want the "good old days" back? Remove the kings of the hill and let's see a new scramble to the top. It wasn't WHO got us there as much as that there was a place to go. In the race to the top, there was less effort in trying to keep everyone else down and more into trying to rise to the top.

  16. Re:Don't forget the free and open source people to by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When were these 'good old days'? There's a story from shortly after the founding of Sun. They got a visit from IBM with a set of patents that they claimed Sun infringed. They sat the patent lawyers down and explained why for each patent it was either invalid or didn't apply. The Nazgul replied that they were probably right, but they could come back with another seven patents that Sun did infringe, and fighting them in court would be far more expensive than Sun could afford. Sun signed a cross-licensing agreement with IBM. This was the early '80s.

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