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Microsoft Mulling Smaller Windows 8 Tablets

Nerval's Lobster writes "Microsoft might want a piece of the mini-tablet market. The company has lowered the minimum screen resolution for Windows 8 tablets, from 1,366 x 768 pixels to 1024 x 768 pixels. "This doesn't imply that we're encouraging partners to regularly use a lower screen resolution," it wrote in an accompanying newsletter. "We understand that partners exploring designs for certain markets could find greater design flexibility helpful." As pointed out by ZDNet's Ed Bott—cited by other publications as the journalist who first noticed the altered guidelines—that lowered resolution "would allow manufacturers to introduce devices that are in line with the resolutions of the iPad Mini (1024 x 768) and the Kindle Fire and Google Nexus 7 (both 1280 x 800)." Whatever the contours of the smaller-tablet market, it's certainly popular enough to tantalize any potential competitor. But if Microsoft plunges in, it will face the same challenges that confronted it in the larger-tablet arena: lots of solid competitors, and not a whole lot of time to make a winning impression. There are also not-inconsiderable hardware challenges to overcome, including processor selection and engineering for optimal battery life."

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  1. Paper by jones_supa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The aspect ratio of 4:3 is quite close to A-type paper sizes, so it's nice for PDFs.

    1. Re:Paper by Rogue+Haggis+Landing · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The aspect ratio of 4:3 is quite close to A-type paper sizes, so it's nice for PDFs.

      Yes, and it's closer to US letter-sized paper than 16:10 is. I've also long thought that a 4:3 screen is better for using the tablet as a laptop replacement with a bluetooth keyboard. At 16:10 the screen is too wide in landscape and too narrow in portrait. 4:3 is much better for this (though of course generally worse for watching video).

      So I really want a 4:3 tablet, but I don't want to buy an iPad. The list of 4:3 Android tablets is short and undistinguished, owing (I presume) to Android being aimed at the 16:10 form factor. I don't especially want to buy a Windows 8 tablet, but a Windows tablet is likely to be more flexible than an iPad, and eventually there will be one with a better build quality and a better screen than most or all of the Android tablets in the link above.

      So good for Microsoft and whatever hardware vendors winkled this out of them. I'd rather have a really nice 4:3 Android tablet, but that doesn't exist right now. "OK" might not be as good as "good", but it's better than "meh".

  2. Great! by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Finally, I can get a smaller Microsoft tablet. I did think that Microsoft's tablet idea was complete garbage, and I had no intention of buying one ever. Now that they might have a smaller one, I have done a complete flip flop. I think these new smaller tablets could be the best thing ever! I mean, the fact that they still have the application ecosystem problems and that Windows really is a crappy tablet OS no matter what size may still be true. But if I could just get it a little smaller, I'd be SOOO happy!!!!!!!!

    Seriously, Microsoft should just give up. Stop wasting money. If you want to make money, create a tablet to go after the XBOX crowd, since that's the only thing you can do that's remotely right.

    1. Re:Great! by pspahn · · Score: 2

      I own a Galaxy Player 5", and it's getting to the point where I'd love to update and get something newer. Unfortunately, nobody sees the market for a phone sized device that isn't actually a phone.

      I don't have a cell phone... don't really want one. I'd much rather just have my mini-tablet that I can connect to my wifi-hotspot pretty much anywhere in most cities.

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    2. Re:Great! by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A $200 Win 8 RT tablet could be compelling, and I hate M$.

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    3. Re:Great! by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't know how much you want to spend, but the obvious choice would be going with a Nexus 4. It is a phone, but at $300-$350, it's pretty cheap. Also, you can pop in a pay as you go, talk only SIM card and get real cheap service. Then you can just use the WiFi for data. So you can use it for your phone, but do so without paying the large fees that VZ, ATT, and Sprint charge.

    4. Re:Great! by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because the market for this is vanishingly small, in fact its almost 0. Almost everyone has a phone. So why would they want a device that runs the same software and has the same capabilities, but doesn't have cellular data, sms, or voice? The only reason to make them is to cater to the market of people who

      1)don't want a cell phone
      2)want a pocket sized computer
      3)don't want a data plan
      4)are too cheap to just buy an unlocked phone without data, which includes the idea of just buying a used phone and not buying a data plan
      5)yet are willing to pay enough to buy a device that will have higher up front costs, due to lack of a subisdized model

      I'd be shocked if the total market for the product was in the millions in the industrial world. Your niche isn't worth the cost of marketing to, just suck it up and buy an unlocked phone without a data plan.

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    5. Re:Great! by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2

      I'm trying to think of what you'd actually do with it though. In spite of Balmer's "developers developers developers" rain dance, it never did end up raining.

      In spite of what their PR department says, MS has a rather hostile attitude towards developers.

      http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/tales-from-the-trenches-how-microsoft-is-losing-the-battle-for-indie-develo

      It especially shows in RT due to the lack of apps that actually do anything that a web browser can't already do better. In fact a lot of those apps are basically just nothing other than a walled garden IE instance of a link to an already existing web page.

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    6. Re:Great! by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 2

      I don't know what Microsoft charges for their Windows 8 RT OS, but I'm guessing it's a large chunk of that $200 price target you think would be compelling. Even if the OS could run on the same hardware as a $200 android tablet, you're price is going to be $250-$300 to account for license costs. Of course, I would be very surprised if Windows 8 RT didn't need substantially more power to operate well.

    7. Re:Great! by icebike · · Score: 2

      Yup, I had a Windows 7 tablet too.
      HP Slate something something, running an Atom processor. Pretty useless, slow, but I needed it for testing in my day job.

      Just got Windows 8 Pro running Core i5 64bit. (Again, needed for my day job).
      Whole different story. I will finally be able to leave my monster laptop at home when I travel.

      This is a very nice machine, and Windows 8 makes more sense on this device than on any laptop.

      Too expensive mind you, but fully capable, and FAST.

      It even runs VmWare Player (very well) so I can have another OS stored on the MicroSD card and run it concurrently.
      Every piece of Windows software I've thrown at it works perfectly out of the gate, even our proprietary stuff.

      If the price would come down three or four hundred bucks they would sell boatloads of these. For me its a tax write-off, as
      it would be for much of the business world. But Home users looking for web surfing and email would be better off with
      an Android or IOS tablet.

      I've got lots of Linux machines and an android tablet and phone. I've spent years hating Microsoft, (while making good money
      working in that environment). For what I need to do, this is a very viable device.

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  3. Yes, I'm sure that will do by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obviously the reason behind poor Metro adoption is the screen resolution and overall dimensions of the tablet. How could those Microsoft engineers have missed that one?

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    1. Re:Yes, I'm sure that will do by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Cost?

      The IPAD is the B&W of tablets and sets the standards. Problem is at $700 for a toy most Americans are struggling to pay their bills and break even every month so this is not an option. Android is taking over the cheaper more cost effective tablets.

      It was not hte lack of a start button, but rather a tablet that was more expensive at $1200 for the full version with a SSD not 90% full on arrival with no GPS or even G3/G4 data. I mean come on! So it is essentially useless for the traveler at the airport or in a long car trip who needs voice navigation or weather reports. No data, no location, but $300 more and no apps.

      Not to mention there are no apps. I assumed at this point last year there would be tons of Metro applets as Microsoft owns such a large marketshare of desktops that every app developer would be porting apps. But at 50k forget it! The IPAD in 2009 had more apps from their iphones.

      MS needs to make it lower cost as the cheap Acer Android tablets are castrated laptops without these features. If you want an expensive system you need to have everything and yes that includes a start menu button on the Pro series for desktop users who have mice/keyboards.

    2. Re:Yes, I'm sure that will do by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Obviously the reason behind poor Metro adoption is the screen resolution and overall dimensions of the tablet. How could those Microsoft engineers have missed that one?

      It's a secret plan. This coming fall they are going to drop resolution to 640 by 480, and usher in a glorious new age of tablet computing with them, Microsoft, at the helm.

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    3. Re:Yes, I'm sure that will do by ducomputergeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Microsoft is going all in on the idea that the desktop is going the way of the dodo and that by 2015 EVERYTHING will have a touch screen. I've long made the argument that if touch really was the future of everything Apple would have had touch screen Macbooks and iMacs a long time ago.

      I went to a developers event last fall for work. I understand that MS is wanting to unify all of it's UI's across it's various platforms. Whether it's a good/bad UI is subjective, but it was clear that was the goal. The other developers at the event joked in the elevator about the problems of touchscreens with desktops. And I will say some of their decisions when you listen to why the did what they did do make sense, but the problem is are those changes worth the cost? Especially to businesses where change, any change, adds up quickly in soft costs. Maybe if they had introduced Metro on the tablets and phones with a classic "windows start bar" desktop + "metro mode" when you click a button or key (what apple is doing in OSX with launchpad like or hate it) to get people used to the idea and changes to the interface before converting over in Windows 9 it would have gotten a better response. Instead they are trying to change how people have worked with computers in the office since 1995.

      The truth is the desktop isn't going anywhere in the enterprise. The whole appification trend we've been seeing works for consumption of content. It doesn't work for content creation. Since most of my days are spend reading emails, texts, phone calls, looking at documents others create, and meetings, generally I leave the laptop on my desk and bring my iPhone & iPad. Same goes for a lot of our sales team. Most are carrying some kind of tablet/smart phone and find that's all they need and it's a lot lighter. But they are mostly consuming and in a pinch if you need to make a quick change to a document or write a brief email response tablets work great. Last year I tried to replace my laptop and got the keyboard case and the docking station for the iPad, but the apps just weren't there yet. Try creating anything more than a basic spreadsheet or report in Pages on an iPad. But I found if I'm going to have to compose a long email, document, or spreadsheet that I want a keyboard, mouse, and big monitor. Basically what I have sitting in front of me. And a lot of workers need because it makes their job easier.

      Currently I have a 15" macbook pro on my desk with a 26" Acer monitor beside it and external keyboard and mouse. Then I at least have the option of working from other locations when I need to and I do travel places for days at a time. But the people who work in the office day in and out, they all have iMacs or Mac Mini's depending on what they're doing. Again, they are usually creating content, editing graphics & video and they want the large screens. They don't care about taking their work home at the end of the day either. Our graphics people aren't going to be editing photos of models on an iPad anytime soon.

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    4. Re:Yes, I'm sure that will do by hsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Lets also not forget that WP8 Apps and W8 Apps aren't the "same" - unlike iOS and Android, they are separate SDK frameworks. So, you have to do twice the work to hit the "Windows 8" platform. What a great use of resources, for a platform no one wants.

    5. Re:Yes, I'm sure that will do by icebike · · Score: 2

      This is obviously the least of Microsoft's failures with Metro.

      If you think Metro is a failure because of screen ratio you are nuts. It has nothing to do with ratio.

      Its a failure because people don't like scrolling halfway around the world looking for monster Icons just to launch applications
      that they used to be able to launch quickly from a small desktop icon or a start bar. Its a failure because only a few apps work
      perfectly with Metro, and the rest still launch a desktop (sans a proper Start Menu).

      Metro ONLY works on small devices. Hang it on a 24 inch screen and you will yank your hair out scrolling.
      But on a tablet it works passably well. You can get used to its idiosyncrasies fairly quickly.

      That said, Microsoft should be gunning for larger tablets, not smaller ones.

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  4. That one hasn't got much windows in it by sjames · · Score: 5, Funny

    wife: I don't Like Windows8!

    Well how about a 1024x768 tablet.

    wife: That's got Windows 8 in it!

    Husband: Well it's not as much Windows 8 as a surface...

  5. Except this is resolution not Dimensions. by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    This is about putting windows on cheaper hardware, as windows is failing to sell at the high end. So if you are expecting a plethora of screen sizes and dimensions...its unlikely, as thinks with those dimensions are not cheap components. It will end up a failure like the ipad mini [expensive due to microsoft tax, and with low resolution screens, last years cpu]...with less popularity.

    I suspect most people will benefit from a more video friendly/properly formatted ebook/Game friendly screen, not forgetting that you lose Windows one trick...split screen windows [although you lose that on the small screens anyway]...hell even its one usage seems stupid as you will also lose resolution!?...its why you see so few options in that form factor.

    The only reason I can see you mentioning it is to troll for Apple...and right now they need all the help they can get.

  6. I have this vision... by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...of a tiny screen that holds, like, two tiles. It takes a lot of panic swiping to find an app...

    But seriously, Windows 8 Pro will already work on lower resolution screens (ala netbooks). It requires a registry change (set display1_downscalingsupported to "1", reboot, set screen resolution high enough to run metro apps). I think all this means is that a future patch will have this parameter enabled by default.

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  7. Re:resolution!! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    MS XEROX APPLE

    MS is like Apple from Bizarro-planet. Everything round is even squared. How appropriate.

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  8. Its an whorish market share grab by tuppe666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is about caving to suppliers who can't [won't and don't] sell current windows hardware, against the army of good value Android tablets out there.

    ...and this really is vista again, Windows is not a lightweight OS which which was awful on the machines at the time [shudder i915], Windows 7 fixed a lot of things...but the big difference is was the hardware is ready.

    Its going to be a bloodbath, Android failed to gain traction in the then iPad market [for two years no less], with its parity devices [expensive high end]...and dirt cheap unbranded [or weak branded] underspecced hardware, and Microsoft seem to want to go down the same path.

    Android has finally upsurped iOS post Nexus 7, by producing well specced good value tablets, consumers are buying them in droves...showing they are not stupid. Microsoft is going to fail selling cheap tablets against Androids.

    The big problem is as always Windows Tax [more noticeable on cheaper hardware], Which unfortunately is going make Windows tablets look overpriced right now. Microsoft need to rethink their business model, but right now they need to be less greedy.

  9. Saw the Surface at MediaMarkt yesterday by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Saw the Surface at a large store yesterday. It was on the corner of a display stand. It was the smallest display area, of to the side of the "real" tablet area. Nobody was around it. Just a lonely little tablet for 500 euro's.

    What Microsoft just never got because they are the bottom feeder is that people want something a bit special when they shell over cash. It is the reason why Starbuck can charge 2x as much for bad coffee as other stores AND have a longer line for it. Because when you go to Starbucks you don't buy coffee, you buy an experience. An experience of being served slightly better then at 99% of stores.

    Apple has this experience. Microsoft doesn't. By definition it doesn't. People get hard/wet opening an Apple box. Nobody has to change their pants after a MS unboxing. Well, maybe accountants.

    When you show off your device to others, you got have something to show off with. The first tablet, the high-rez tablet, the most cores, oled. SOMETHING. MS has NOTHING. Except a lame image and a high pricepoint. People didn't buy iPads because they were expensive bling, they paid a high price FOR the bling. It is a subtle different, it is the difference between a 1000 dollar mobile phone with specced out specs AND a 10.000 gold plated phone with mediocre specs.

    Basically the Surface is the Zune all over again. Not because the Zune was objectively that bad but because it launched 2 years late with specs that belonged to 4 year old hardware. Not bad... but not good... and then there is that MS logo... it makes the people that hear "dude you got a dell" go "dude you got a ms".

    There are just some companies that can't do sexy. Some companies go through the frontdoor of life and some companies are lucky to be allowed through the servant entrance, after dark.

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    1. Re:Saw the Surface at MediaMarkt yesterday by DogDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your whole description of people getting excited over a gadget is really creepy. It's bordering on unhealthy, as far as I'm concerned.

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  10. Post-Tablet market!? by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    It's a moot point. The tablet fad will be over shortly

    I'm not sure your post-Tablet market prediction is close to same. The don't doubt that the PC is still very relevant. In fact I'm personally disgusted in the whole industry rather trying to tabletify the whole PC industry...rather than reinvent a better PC, and include touch-screen functionality where it is relevant.

    ...but a fad not a chance, they are maybe threatened by large screen phones, but PC's...different use cases, and tablet, I'd rather had a better netbook, but Microsoft destroyed that dream, for its Tax on PC's

  11. Prediction? by erroneus · · Score: 2

    Microsoft will not be able to pull it off.

    Already Microsoft's attempts at using ARM isn't working out. Microsoft depends too heavily on its Wintel x86. They are simply too afraid to put too much behind a whole new architecture. Apple did it and it's working for them. Google did it... did it better, actually, because they use something "similar" to Java and so whatever processor is used in whatever device, code for Android will work. But they, like Apple, started from nothing.

    Why can't or won't Microsoft do the same?

    Microsoft has historically depended on hardware to catch up with the software. This has been fine with PCs until recently. There just hasn't been significant improvements in PC power. In fact, like tablets and phones, mobile PCs need to use less power to remain attractive and viable. Microsoft knows how to use more power, but has problems using less. It doesn't know how to be small.

    So this is a huge failing for its embedded and its mobile devices market and certainly harms itself mobile computer market.

    Micrsoft has billions to throw away. Why it doesn't focus on building something new and awesome, I have no idea. It can keep doing the Wintel thing and also make cool, light-weight, low power things too. WHY DOESN"T it? I just can't figure it out. Microsoft phones are failing. The RT tablet? Isn't that already dead in favor of their Wintel tablet line? And isn't the Wintel line also a bit of a failure in that it can't support the battery life in a way which compares to Apple and Android devices?

    I just want to know why Microsoft, with it's enormous resources, can't just come out and compete with the rest of them?

  12. Steve had me at "Magical" by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    People only need to do one thing at a time. The iPad, with its silly single tasking interface, proves that.

    (takes deep breath) Jobs said a lot of things, most if not all may to manipulate a market into believing that the shortcoming of of Apples products were design decisions, and the world had to bend to its will. Its why flash has been replaced without a real replacement, because it ran badly with an iphone, its why Apple were so late to market with a small tablet, its why your holding it wrong.

    Apple products didn't multi task...and do to so some extent now. Its a feature users want, and viewing too applications (although not exclusive to Microsoft; Samsung tablets do it too) its a great feature.

    You need to look at the current crop of Android tablets...they are so ahead of Apple its not funny.

  13. metro full screen apps are better on smaller scree by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    metro full screen apps are better on smaller screens And they just had to copy and fail at it when putting a tablet UI on the desktop.

  14. Re:resolution!! by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2

    In a developed economy, probably, however in the intended markets that presents a problem. The difference in cost between a 1024x786 LCD vs 1366x786 isn't that much either, but they want to save that extra bit of cash. Due to hardware requirements alone, an Android device would be so much more profitable that there's simply no reason to stick with W8 if you are so concerned about cost that you have to drop to a low resolution display.

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