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Build a Secret Compartment, Go To Jail

KindMind writes "Alfred Anaya was a custom stereo installer who branched out to making secret compartments for valuables, who the DEA sent to prison as a co-conspirator when a drug dealer used his creation to smuggle drugs. But Wired points out the bigger question: 'The challenge for anyone who creates technology is to guess when they should turn their back on paying customers. Take a manufacturer of robot kits for hobbyists. If someone uses those robots to patrol a smuggling route or help protect a meth lab, how will prosecutors determine whether the company acted criminally?'"

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  1. The Answer To This Nonsense... by rally2xs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... is to legalize absolutely all the drugs, and put the DEA, et. al., out of business. The insane drug war is just another excuse to violate citizen's rights, plus it provides obscene amounts of money to all the wrong sorts of people. And, reportedly, Mexico has lost 70,000 of its citizens since 2007 to drug war violence. Is the USA keeping drugs illegal really worth 70,000 human lives? I don't think so.

    1. Re:The Answer To This Nonsense... by jbolden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm in favor of partial legalization and regulation. Smoking kills 300k a year. Something like widespread meth use could come in 10x, 20x that. The reason drugs can get banned is because they are so incredibly devastating to individuals to families and to communities when their use becomes common. Pretending they are harmless undermines other points.

      The question is whether the benefits of criminalization, the avoidance of widespread use, can be achieved without criminalization.

    2. Re:The Answer To This Nonsense... by Krneki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't combat drug (ab)use by prohibition, you use education.

      And anyway the side effect of prohibition will do far more harm to society then any drug can.

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    3. Re:The Answer To This Nonsense... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't combat drug (ab)use by prohibition, you use education.

      And actually trying to fix some of the social problems associated with drugs like poverty and lack of jobs.

      But nobody has any interest in doing that. They'd rather have a large, for profit prison industry and sweep it all under the rug.

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  2. This doesn't make sense! by sudden.zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Under the same premise a car manufacturer should be liable for assisting in a bank robbery because the thieves couldn't have gotten away so quickly without their ingenious device called the automobile! This is just stupid and the judge that made that poor decision should be shot, hanged, and burnt at the stake!

  3. They created a new problem for themselves... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He used to work legally, and pay the taxes.

    Now he will have problems finding a job, so he will build secret compartments for drug runners for living, not as a side job.

  4. The rules are simple. by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are a small Mom and Pop operations (Under 5 employees) you are going to jail.
    If you are a Small Business (Under 100 Employees) you will get massive fines.
    If you are a Medium Business (Under 1000 Employees) you will get a stern talking to
    If you are a Large Business (1000+ Employees) you are considered an innovator, any misuse of your product is not your fault.

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    1. Re:The rules are simple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you are a Very Large Business (10000+ Employees) you wil be consulted on the draft bill to modify the offending law..

    2. Re:The rules are simple. by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but you forgot:

      You are a large bank, the failure of which would cripple the economy. You get a bailout and bonuses for your C level.

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    3. Re:The rules are simple. by swb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And if you are a Pillar of the Economy business (100000+ headcount) you will get to write the law yourself and select who will serve in Congress to implement your law.

  5. Wrong lesson... by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the lesson of this case has little to do with secret compartments. What mainly happened here is the police wanted him to work for them and he said no, so the built a case to punish him. The trial was a joke, the testimony against him was due to plea deals and some of it was physically impossible to be true, and most of it hinged on building up personal dislike by the jury due to his lifestyle.

    He refused to put his life at risk when the police threatened him, and they made good on the threat, even if he was within the law. Being within the law does not matter when they want to get you.

  6. His mistake by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

    His mistake was in installing the second "trap" in the other vehicle. He could have legitimately claimed that he agreed to fix the first one out of a sense of responsibility for his workmanship AND fear that the guy would come after him for failing to do so. However, agreeing to the second one made it a clear money grab and it violated the California law. He knew the only way that the guy got that much money was through the drug trade. He should have told the guy that he had compromised his business by showing up with all that money in the "trap" and exposed him to legal liability beyond what he had agreed to.
    I understand why he thought he was skirting the law, but he knew he was skirting the law. Once it went beyond merely knowing in an academic fashion that some of his customers were using his installations in an illegal fashion to having seen evidence (even though that evidence was not by itself enough to convict the customer) that a particular customer was doing so he had crossed the line. He crossed the line of plausible deniability.

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  7. Re:reductio ad absurdum by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually traps are pretty common for the rich or those who have to go to bad neighborhoods or even countries.

    People keep normal valuables like their wallet, GPS, tablets or laptops in them. The idea is that anything out of sight is out of mind for a crackhead/methuser/dirty cop.

    The guy targeted any buyers. The only reason he is going to jail is that he refused to be a snitch so they built a case to punish him for that.

  8. Re:Gun Makers by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when is money an illegal good?

    Having $800K in cash you can't account for is going to get you into the territory of seizure laws, unless you can account for where you got it (and the onus is on you to prove that).

    And, sadly, once he saw it, and reasonably knew what the second one was likely to be used for .. he was screwed. Because either he said nothing and became complicit, or he turned in some shady people who might not be understanding of that.

    If he'd never seen what was inside, and never agreed to make another one, he'd probably have been shielded with "your honor, I have no idea what he kept in there".

    But once he asked if there was anything he needed to worry about, and saw that much cash, and then made another one for them ... well, I feel bad for the guy.

    If I put it in my safe am I suddenly some sort of drug lord?

    Depending on how much cash, if you were found with it you might need to prove it's legally obtained. Trying to deposit $10K or more (or whatever it is) into the bank in cash is going to get flagged as well.

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  9. Re:Gun Makers by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Indeed. I own several dozen guns - almost all of which I shoot regularly and none of which have ever killed someone.

    As a matter of fact, if a gun is "meant" for killing people, considering that there are approximately 200 million guns in the US and 11,000 gun deaths per year in the US, then even if you consider every single one of those deaths to have been caused by a different firearm (which isn't true, but that's a "worse case scenario"), then every year 99.9945% of those guns are used for something other than what they're "meant" for since they didn't kill anyone.

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  10. Injustice of the drug war by Weezul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is broadly applicable principle that laws should not usually yield counter intuitive results. If they do, the odds favor the law itself being unjust. In this case, we're punishing a harmless-but-stupid mechanic for making otherwise legal car customizations only because our perverse drug laws created an unreasonable situation. Also, the DEA and DOJ got pissed that he feared the drug dealers more than them.

    There is ample evidence that drug prohibition causes crime and prevents treatment, making all the DEA agents, DOJ prosicutors, and prison contractors who lobby for unjust intimidating laws wholly responsible for the drug related deaths, addiction cases, etc. All the ridiculous scenarios like asset forfeiture cases or locking up mechanics who make otherwise legal mods flow entirely from the underlying corruption in our prison-industrial-complex.

    There is one small measure I'd suggest that might reduce the problem somewhat : Do not permit federal prosecutors to become federal judges or win primaries for elected office. Any time we hear about a proposed judicial appointment or a new candidate in some race, just google them and find their past jobs. If they were a federal prosecutor, then google more to find if they ever brought charges under the CFAA, DMCA, etc. or if any drug cases stand out as unjust. If so, then make a stink online to help derail their career advancement. If federal prosecutors cannot usually become federal judges or representatives then they'll lose considerable lobbying power over time.

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