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MS Office Tablet Delay Gives Google a Real Chance, and Not Just Google Apps

rtfa-troll writes "Microsoft Office slideware for iOS and Android has been resisting many migrations to Google Apps. Although a number of the largest companies, from KLM to Disney, have already moved to Google Apps, most large companies are still using Microsoft Office heavily. The majority of current Google users are smaller businesses. Now Microsoft has been forced to admit that its office suite for Android will be delayed by at least a year and Zdnet tells us that Google will be the big winner from that. However, they also say QuickOffice, rather than Google Apps, will be the main winner. Other Android app suites will benefit too, though currently the Android version of LibreOffice is only available as a dev build for sideloading and is having some difficulties packaging for Google Play, so it may not benefit from this delay unless more volunteers step up to help. Microsoft relies heavily on Office for revenue, so this may represent a real, long-term threat to the company."

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  1. Really? by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is Google introducing some type of "uncloud" feature for Google Docs?

    I like Google Docs but it sucks having confidential business materials out in the cloud somewhere.

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    1. Re:Really? by schnell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't care as much about the cloud aspect - although I'm sure most large companies will. The issue for me is that I simply can't imagine doing a presentation or a spreadsheet on my tablet and not having it be a painful experience. Writing long e-mails on an iPad is already no fun; a document with formatting and tables seems practically like an exercise in masochism.

      I can read Office documents on my iPad already. I still view it (other than short e-mails) as a content consumption device, not a content creation device... even if it had a snap-on keyboard. So I just don't get why the presence of an office suite on a tablet/mobile device is a big deal. Your mileage may vary.

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    2. Re:Really? by Covalent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This.

      I am a chemistry teacher, which means my work involves symbols, sub- and superscripts, diagrams, etc. Creating that sort of work on a tablet / phone is painful. I don't see that changing any time soon, either. A dedicated keyboard allows multi-key commands (Ctrl-Shift-= for superscript, etc) that a tablet cannot do. A mouse allows for nested menus with thousands of options. That's a no-go for tablets.

      For me, mobile = consumption and desktop = production.

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    3. Re:Really? by technomom · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's already an offline feature for Google Apps, it's called Offline Docs. But yeah, it's still not quite there yet.

    4. Re:Really? by obarthelemy · · Score: 2

      Actually, yes, in 2 ways:

      1- Google Docs works offline in a number of OSes (Chomre OS...)

      2- QuickOffice, from Google, is a regular, client-side Office suite.

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    5. Re:Really? by theskipper · · Score: 4, Funny

      According to the Microsoft pad-thingy commercials, you can create content while hand-walking across a desk or dancing as an angry cheerleader. So toughen up soldier, if they can do it you can too.

    6. Re:Really? by OpenSourced · · Score: 3, Informative

      You could try the Samsung Note tablet, with pencil. In the Notes app you can write formulae (although mainly math, which can be even resolved), squares, etc, and be recognized (mostly) by the software. Probably it won't be yet useful for you, but perhaps you want to keep an eye on it.

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    7. Re:Really? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      QuickOffice is their offline product. It has been floating around since the Palm days to read MS Office docs. The only problem is that QuickOffice never picked up OpenOffice file types... And that is what Google Docs are built on natively.

      If Google would move on the OpenOffice compatibility they could grab a bunch of Linux Desktop offices as well that use LibreOffice included in lots of distros. And LibreOffice is free for Macs and PCs so google could do a Google Docs plugin.

      Microsoft has allowed too much NIH from MS Office management and they are about to lose their Monopoly money. They were supposed to have a native Dot Net version of Office 3-5 years ago.. They could have been running it on Xboxes... But the Office team couldn't do the job. They couldn't deliver a Native Metro Office either... So the Office team not doing their homework means Windows RT has to run a "fake desktop" for MICROSOFT'S FLAGSHIP PRODUCT. That's not Winning. So is it a surprise that MS can't get an iOS or Android version out? Microsoft has lashed their shops together so tightly they can't pick them apart... They can't even keep up a MAC version of Office without a year lead time.

      So while the FOJ was utterly ineffective in intro long Microsoft's behavior with the law, at least Microsoft's 10 year focus on bending and weaseling out of the DOJ rules took their collective eyeballs off MAKING SOFTWARE. (Kin and Courier could have won them back share YEARS ago) And now the little ships like Apple and Google have paddled far enough away on different directions Microsoft can't hurt them anymore.

    8. Re:Really? by ChronoFish · · Score: 2

      I am still trying to figure out why the angry cheerleader triggers a "grotesque" response from me. It's kind-of like something from Uncanny Valley. All the parts are there... it's just not quite right.

      -CF

    9. Re:Really? by hoggoth · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why do you pretend to not understand common slang and shortcuts? Do you also talk like Data from Star Trek?

      "This" is shorthand for "I agree very much with this statement". The implication is the statement you agree with is so strongly and obviously true that you don't need to say more than "this".

      Sometimes it is followed by additional points you would like to add to the statement.

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    10. Re:Really? by kidgenius · · Score: 4, Informative

      As an engineer, let me recommend one way of improving your speed at writing out superscripted/subscripted formulas, along with other mathematical symbols; use LibreOffice. It has a built-in equation editor that works quite well. You can just type in and it will automatically reformat. For instance, typing "H_2 O" would subscript the 2. Doing "x^2+x+1" would superscript the 2.

    11. Re:Really? by steelfood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wait, what? Do you even know what you're talking about?

      Metro is just a fancy desktop replacement. It offers little to no functional purpose. Why do you think it failed? It's not because Microsoft's own products couldn't support it. It's because it was a useless waste of screen space and mouse clicks. Office runs "natively" on Metro as far as it can, i.e. there's a button to start Office apps through Metro. That's it. There's no other requirement to being "native". Metro is not an architecture thing, it's just window dressing replacing the desktop. It's like replacing the glass panes of your greenhouse with fancy curtains. Well, you still need those glass panes, hence the neutered "desktop" that still ships with Windows 8 and RT. Only now, you can't let sunlight in without first brushing aside those damn curtains every time.

      The DOJ did squat. Microsoft had so much cash in its vaults in preparation for the antitrust sentence that they ended up paying their shareholders a ton of dividend afterwards because the fine was so small. Do you really think that if the DOJ's actions hurt Microsoft in any way, they would have left over cash to spread to their shareholders afterwards?

      No, Microsoft's failures are due to incompetence at the top. Like all other large, made companies, they got soft and stopped taking risks. They encouraged their senior management to fight and jostle among each other for the CEO's good graces. They let people with vision and talent go, while refusing to "retire" the useless, good-for-nothings that are even now still fighting over their standings with Ballmer.

      Cream rises to the top. So does shit. Large companies accumulate a lot of shit, and all it takes is for one chunk to stain the cream brown and turn it into shit too. Most companies try to keep their shit from rising, but Microsoft funnily enough promoted one to CEO.

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  2. how hard is it to make a word processor? by alen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    there are dozens in the iOS app store. Pages is the closest thing to word and some are nothing more than text editors.

    either way you don't need the entire MS Office on a mobile device. just a few features to use on the road or train

    1. Re:how hard is it to make a word processor? by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      Re:how hard is it to make a word processor?

      About as hard as it is to make a web browser... But once you have one of those, it's a piece of cake.

      Supporting all the RETARDING document formats (other than HTML) is what's hard. Really, WTF people. We solved this problem and everyone just ignores the fact.

    2. Re:how hard is it to make a word processor? by obarthelemy · · Score: 2

      and then you got to work with others, who use Office, and you can't edit their docs, or you can, but the layout is all screwed up, or you can, but then you screw the layout for everyone else

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    3. Re:how hard is it to make a word processor? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

      isn't that the whole point of a tablet? light use on the road? it was never meant to replace a Mac, PC or desktop software

      It all depends. You definitely need light-weight on a phone, which was kind of my point. Some places are using iPads and other tables as PC replacements, so some of those features that aren't included in the current crop are definitely needed.

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  3. But, really no difference by Sez+Zero · · Score: 2

    But really there's no difference between QuickOffice being the "winner" over Google Apps, since Google owns them both:

    http://www.quickoffice.com/google_acquires_quickoffice/

  4. Zoho by paugq · · Score: 2

    In my experience, Zoho Docs is years ahead of Google Docs. Very few columnists talk about it but it's the only serious "office for web" I would consider for my business. It does everything Google Docs, Hangouts, Drive, etc do, plus a few more things.

  5. Chemistry Specific Keyboard? by glennrrr · · Score: 3, Informative

    One of the nice things about an onscreen keyboard is that they can be customized for the task at hand, thus the spreadsheet keyboard in Numbers for iPad. Now imagine a keyboard with C O H S P + - 1 2 3 4 5 6 and a subscript superscript lock button.

  6. Office work on tablets/Phones.. by AdmV0rl0n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A really really dumb idea. Its one of those areas where people need to comprehend what a tablet is good and not good at. Reading office documents is viable, but actually doing office level work? No no no.

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    1. Re:Office work on tablets/Phones.. by sootman · · Score: 2

      Wow, what a lame attitude. Sure, maybe I don't want to write a hundred-page doc or build a hundred-slide presentation from scratch, but why wouldn't I want to be able to make little fixes as needed? I comprehend exactly what a tablet is good at -- doing things quickly and easily, anywhere, without having to unfold a laptop, find a seat, wait for it to come up, etc etc etc. I can be anywhere, any time, and think of something and *poof* -- open, edit, close. Done. Which, by the way, is exactly what I currently do with Google Docs and my phone. Big work from my desk, little adjustments when the muse strikes. (And no, this does not mean I am chained to my job and expected to work every hour of every day. The docs I edit are not even for work -- it's just my own stuff and I like being able to have instant access to it whenever.)

      It's not like anyone is forcing you or anyone else to use it. If google wants to write the software, let them!

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  7. Slowly losing relevance? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft has more or less relied on Office and upgrades of Windows for years for revenue, and have for the most part kept it as a Windows-only piece.

    As other office suites come along, and other OSes as well, Microsoft seems to be now finding themselves trying to remain relevant.

    Would most people with an Android tablet even *want* Microsoft Office for it? It seems that if you wanted the full Microsoft experience, you'd have bought one of their tablets. And if you didn't want the Microsoft experience, you won't be looking for this software.

    I don't really see Microsoft as a company who really innovates -- I'm hard pressed to think of a single product which Microsoft invented/pioneered, and which is what people want.

    The OS took years to catch up to what others were already doing. Office is certainly a feature rich mature piece of software, but many of us don't find ourselves needing Excel and PowerPoint in our non-work lives. Moving the Start button or some of the changes lately have been mostly decorative and not revolutionary.

    The Kinect is neat, but like so many products someone else innovated and Microsoft purchased.

    A late delayed release of Office for Android? I suspect there's an awful lot of yawns which accompany that news.

    As to innovating anything new and groundbreaking, we'll see if Microsoft ever does that. I'm hard pressed to come up with any examples, current or past, of stuff that they've released which was truly 'new' and lasting -- mostly it's been clones of products other companies have already been shipping, and many of them weren't exactly huge successes (like the Zune for instance).

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    1. Re:Slowly losing relevance? by TemporalBeing · · Score: 2

      Microsoft has more or less relied on Office and upgrades of Windows for years for revenue, and have for the most part kept it as a Windows-only piece.

      Those two products support the entire company. The remainder of the company has thus far either barely broken even or lost money. Windows and Office profits have been declining lately with the rise of smart phones, tablets, Android, iOS, and the advent of mobile computing in ways Microsoft cannot fathom.

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  8. Microsoft by Hickory+Dichotomy · · Score: 2

    Microsoft just seems totally disconnected from the market and their customer base. Once again it seems to me as if they want "everything" but cannot focus on "one good thing", whether it be an OS, Office, Phone, Media player, Gamming Console or whatever. Instead of controlling everything, focus on something and make it really, really awesome that your customer base cannot live without. If not, prepare for irrelevance, kind of like what happened to Novell in the 90s (remember that one MS).

  9. It's hard to get mid size businesses to change by sandytaru · · Score: 2

    I think the market is really there for the very small organizations (we're moving lots of folks to Google apps - if they have 4 people in the office it's not hard) and for the very largest organizations that have the clout to enforce change from the top down and do their own software in house, but I don't foresee the midsize businesses changing over from Office any time soon. It's integrated into certain ERP applications - for example, the medical software SRS relies on Excel and has a toolbar built right in. Getting software vendors to change their ways is going to be required before those mid size businesses can even consider breaking off the Microsoft teat.

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  10. Tablets could be good for drawing and note taking by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I still view it (other than short e-mails) as a content consumption device, not a content creation device... even if it had a snap-on keyboard.

    There is one type of content creation a tablet could in theory be good for, namely anything requiring a pen. We all still use lots of pens so the need is obviously there. A tablet could be great for drawing and note taking (think equations or diagrams which are nearly impossible on a keyboard or with fingers) if the interface was done right. There is a reason most students still take notes on paper. Problem is that we are stuck finger-painting on our tablets which doesn't work for those purposes. A tablet should be the perfect device for students to take notes on but no one makes them right now with that task in mind. A tablet could be a great content creation device for the right applications.

    The problem with using a stylus on a tablet is that the software designers invariably and wrongly try to use the stylus for navigation or as a keyboard instead of just using it for what it is actually good for which is ONLY drawing. The fact that you can draw alpha-numerics or point at navigation buttons is just a bonus but they get all excited and try to use the stylus for things it does do well. They (historically) have tried to use a stylus like a mouse pointer which demonstrably doesn't work well since the interfaces were designed for keyboards/mice combos. Or they try to turn it into a keyboard for text input which doesn't work either (too slow and character recognition generally sucks). A stylus/pen is for drawing and only for drawing. Even interfaces which are designed for fingers don't really translate well to a pen - pens are for drawing thin lines, not pushing buttons. You don't (typically) use a pen to push a button when you hold a real pen so why would you do it on a tablet?

  11. What is, and where is Microsoft's vision? by Bearhouse · · Score: 2

    I'm not a MS-basher, (typing this on my Win7 PC running MS Office; works very well, and needs to, because all my corporate customers send me...MS Office docs...and no, sorry, whilst I have LibreOffice installed, and think it's great, there's plenty of documents I receive that it just won't work/display as the author intended. Idem for Pages etc. on my iDevices).

    Anyway, MS have tons of cash, and presumably plenty of talented people, but they seem to be playing 'catch-up' all the time; perhaps they are influenced by their "closed/NIH" mentality. (Reminds me of when I was working with IBM in the 1980s & 90s- they reacted to the 'opening' of the PC architecture they created by trying to 're-close' it with the PS/2; yeah, that worked well).

    Once the genie is out of the bottle, then the game has changed, and you need to change with it. It's no longer good enough to try and 'punish' other platforms by denying them MS Office. (For this is the real reason for Office non-availability on Android etc., make no mistake. "Don't want to buy our Windows OS? Well f*ck you buddy, you're obviously not looking for 'enterprise-level' software, and good luck with LibreOffice running your weird XL macros and PPTs!")

    Sure, PCs will always have a role, especially for heavy content creation, but where the heck is MS Office for iOS, Linux (Yeah,yeah, WINE, I know, but that's missing the point) and Android? You can bet your ass that if MS Office was run as a separate company, they would not be taking *years* to get their products out on these platforms where penetration is high and growing.

    In the meantime, I'm sure Google and others will soon get their act together and we'll (finally!) have seemless document creation & modification across platforms.
    I can't wait, and I'm sure I'm not alone. This would knock a far bigger nail into MS's coffin than the supposed 'failure' of Windows 8.
    (Oh yeah, while you're at it G-men, can we have a 100%-compatible substitue for Outllook, please?)