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IAU: No, You Can't Name That Exoplanet

astroengine writes "The International Astronomical Union (IAU) — the official body that governs the designations of all celestial bodies — in their capacity of purveyors of all things 'official' has deemed attempts at crowdsourcing names for exoplanets illegitimate. 'In the light of recent events, where the possibility of buying the rights to name exoplanets has been advertised, the International Astronomical Union wishes to inform the public that such schemes have no bearing on the official naming process,' writes Thierry Montmerle, General Secretary of the IAU in Paris, France. Although the 'schemes' are not specifically named, the most popular U.S.-based "exoplanet naming" group Uwingu appears to be the target of today's IAU statement. Set up by Alan Stern, planetary scientist and principal investigator for NASA's Pluto New Horizons mission, Uwingu encourages the public to nominate and vote (for a fee) on names for the slew of exoplanets steadily being discovered."

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  1. So what by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can name planets as you like. Whether you're understood or not depends on how many others follow your naming convention, of course.

    1. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The "planets" were finding are a lot closer, probably not more than a thousand light years away but either way they cant become dust millions of light years ago as light year is a measure of distance not time.

    2. Re:So what by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

      A light year is a unit of distance, not time.

      Says a man who's never made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs.

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    3. Re:So what by cwebster · · Score: 2

      While your statement is true it missed the point. If I am looking through a telescope at an object that is 1,000,000 light years away, yes, that object is 9.4605284e21 m away from me. What you are missing though is that light I am seeing in the telescope was emitted from the planet 1,000,000 years ago. I am not seeing the object as it is today, I am seeing it as it was 1 million years ago.

    4. Re: So what by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Err..light year is a measure of distance but the light we see from something 1000 light years away ... is literally 1000 years old by the time it reaches us.

      Err, in astronomical terms a few thousand years is a blip. Would you go around correcting people at work every time they mention "home" to mention: "You don't know if there's is a home. For all you know it could have already burned down before you get back.".

      No - it's stupid. Any planet observable with these techniques is close enough that there's such a small chance of it being destroyed by now that its not even worth worrying about.

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    5. Re:So what by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The FARTHEST exoplanetary system we've discovered is around the star NY Virginis which is 26,940 light years away. The majority are much closer than that. The likelihood that any planet that we can see just "doesn't exist" 27,000 years (or less) later is minuscule. That span of time is nothing when it comes to the lifespan of a planet.

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    6. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll bet you're fun at parties:

      "Hey, Synerg1y, I heard you got a new job. Where are you working now?"

      "I'm not working now. I left work two hours ago. Besides, I refuse to speak to you because I don't know whether you've died in the 6 nanoseconds it takes for the light reflecting off of you to reach me."

    7. Re:So what by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If that were an actual answer instead of an ass-pull so that they could convince naive people that they didn't fuck up, it would have been in response to Kenobi asking "Is it a maneuverable ship" not "Is it a fast ship?"

      You could do the Kessel run in 12 parsecs in a Ford Pinto, it would just take awhile.

    8. Re:So what by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      Curiosity: In what context is it a unit of time?

  2. Re:Current naming system is going to fail anyways by hde226868 · · Score: 2

    the current naming system for stars is a.ready unique. The case that you are mentioning (alpha Lyrae etc.) is the so-called Bayer designation, that is a historic naming scheme for the around 1500 brightest stars. Official star names are NOT the Bayer names, but usually done according to their catalogue numbers. For example, my slashdot name, HDE 226868, is the donor star of the black hole Cygnus X-1, which happens to be number 226868 in the Henry Draper Extension catalogue. These names are unique. The IAU has since then gone to naming schemes that essentially are what you want already, i.e., for new astronomical objects the "names" really are the position of the object in the sky. So, for example, Swift J 164449.3+573451, a black hole candidate. This object was discovered by the Swift satellite and is at the location RA: 16h 44m 49.3s, declination 57d34m51s. (the J means that the coordinate is for the epoch and equinox 2000.0, i.e., it takes the precession of the Earth's axis into account) If the distance of this object were known, its position relative to us would be known. In a few years, when the Gaia mission is done, we will have such coordinates for all objects in the milky way. Note that your designation using "medium shifts" (similar to names used in some SciFi books and movies) is far less accurate than what astronomers can already do for those stars where distances are known, namely give spatial coordinates (x,y,z coordinates relative to Earth; you can calculate these easily based on the right ascension, declination, and distance). After the Gaia satellite, the Galactic coordinate system will be well enough known such that we can give absolute positions in a Galactic coordinate system instead of Earth centric. As the IAU notes, there is a clear precedent on how planets are named (essentially alphabetically in order of their discovery). What companies that try to "sell" naming rights are trying to do is to sham people into believing that this system does not exist. That some of that money is being used to fund science does not matter - fact is, not even the discoverers have final naming rights. And, yes, I am an astronomer.

  3. Rocky Mozell's star registry by marvinglenn · · Score: 3, Funny

    So where's the IAU when I keep hearing this radio commercial for the bullshit "Internaltional Star Registry" from Rocky Mozell? Or did they already smack that one down, and all the suckers who keep giving him money to run commercials didn't get the memo?

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  4. buying a star by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

    It reminded me of the star naming schemes I read about decades ago. I checked to see what the IAU has to say about that. Whoever wrote that FAQ seems depressed at the sad state of intellect in commercial America.....

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  5. Re:Everyone gets a planet.... by Talderas · · Score: 2

    And YOU get a planet. And YOU get a planet. And YOU get a planet. And YOU get a planet. And YOU get a planet. And YOU get a planet.

    Someone better call Oprah.

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  6. Re:Everyone gets a planet.... by jacksonic · · Score: 2

    Asimov's Spacers tried that, and look how it worked out for them...

  7. Re:Everyone gets a planet.... by Grimbleton · · Score: 2

    What are you, a Mormon?

  8. You find it, you name it by Atrox666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These guys should have nothing to say about it. It should be the person who finds it gets naming rights, they earned it. If they want to sell their rights that should be their option too.

    1. Re:You find it, you name it by Zadaz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, but who's going to settle on a planet in orbit around Joe Smith's Giant Cock And Balls, or Spectacular Illumination By GoDaddy.com?

      And when we finally meet the aliens from Tostitos III, how do we explain that to them?

    2. Re:You find it, you name it by geekoid · · Score: 2

      You don't know modern astronomy, do you?

      A) Names are created in such a way that people can find that star again. 'Bob's Star' tells you what, exactly?
      B) most star found aren't observable with the naked eye
      C) Its' a scientific process. As such it need a logic framework whenever possible.
      D) There are machines in space that catalog 100,000s of stars. Who names those?

      People like you are killing science and progress.

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    3. Re:You find it, you name it by bradorsomething · · Score: 3, Funny

      And when we finally meet the aliens from Tostitos III, how do we explain that to them?

      Over nachos?

  9. Probably by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, it does seem like there should be some rigor to the process. I don't want my descendants emigrating to the planet "My Hairy Balls"* because I was drunk and happened to have some spare cash lying around that day.

    *although it would, perhaps, be a poetic illustration of the circle of life.

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  10. potentially habitable by drwho · · Score: 2

    A while back, some people thought it might be good to name the potentially habitable planets. Therefore, http://www.sinister.com/names_of_potentially_habitable_planets.html

    1. Re:potentially habitable by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      Habitable to whom, you double-hearted freak?

  11. Re:Lol by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The International Astronomical Union gives astronomical objects their official names, by international agreement. They accept suggestions and proposals, but they do not sell naming rights.

    You can call astronomical objects whatever you want. The IAU is pointing out that paying someone for the privilege is kind of a dumb thing to do.

  12. Re:Current naming system is going to fail anyways by emagery · · Score: 2

    Hence my having stressed lexicality... scope. If you are in the neighborhood of london, england, you can just say 'london' and people can presume with almost complete accuracy that you mean the one nearby. There are, however, probably like 20 londons in the USA... Now... a star light ours (Sol) is not remarkable at all. It's a dim, boring little star amidst a sea of hundreds of billions of stars amidst a sea of tens of trillions of seas of suns. It's only slightly less podunk than its neighbors, but dwarfed in long distance visibility by sirius and even more so by vega and arcturus in our immediate vicinity. That said, as a TERM, sol(ar) would be super useful in describing suns that would appeal to us in any given neighborhood... and to call a world 'terran' would be descriptive as well... so the names, as we do already on earth, are likely to be used over and over and over and over should we ever span galactic. If you're in this neck of the woods, then you could probably just say 'terra' and, as with the City of London, most anyone would know to which of the tens of thousands of planets in the vicinity you are referring to... but if you're traveling here from thousands of light years away, then you'll have flown passed dozens of planets the pilgrims on which would like to be able to name in homage to or for descriptive similarity the world of their origins. So it just makes sense, if you can get around out there, that you'd do exactly what we do here on earth... reusing names and referencing their 'depth of name' based on the scope of your current conversation. Orionia (arm) Arcturum (region) Sol (star) Terra (planet) Luna (moon) v. ??? (arm) Bellatrixum (area) Aria (star) Ares (planet) Terra (moon). There are lots of names yet to be used for planets.... but there are far too many out there not to be repeated thousands of times over.

  13. What if it already has a name? by freshmeathead · · Score: 2

    Shouldn't we ask whoever is living there what the name is?

  14. Pluto by SteveR · · Score: 2

    I say we name all exoplanets "Pluto", just for spite.