Slashdot Mirror


Hacker Modifies Facebook Home To Work On All Android Devices

An anonymous reader writes "That was quick. Mere hours after Facebook Home arrived on Google Play, the launcher has been modified to remove the device-specific limitation. This means you can use the latest Facebook service on any Android device. The brilliant hackers at XDA Developers have done it again. This particular hack was performed by XDA Senior Member theos0o; who provides details and download links."

124 comments

  1. Great! by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thanks hackers, now Facebook will be able to more effectively track all Android users equally! It's so thoughtful for you to effectively to their crummy job for them...

    1. Re:Great! by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      FaceBook is still voluntary, as far as I can tell.

    2. Re:Great! by jhoegl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So is an Address, but yet I must have one.
      Now I get a bunch of shit in the mail, people knocking on my door, and cars driving by with loud bass.
      Clearly, life is voluntary.

    3. Re:Great! by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Until you've got a friend who moves way out of town, loses or gets a new phone/number, and can't be found on traditional instant messaging services (Yahoo, Google Talk, etc.)... then it starts becoming somewhat of a necessity.

      This has happened to me, although after all these years I have still not caved into the pressure. But it is getting increasingly difficult to get in contact with people using traditional and in general non-Fecesbook methods.

    4. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps a "friend" that moved out of town, and didn't provide you with their new contact details, doesn't want to be found by you ;)
      Thanks Facebook!

    5. Re:Great! by afidel · · Score: 2

      You don't have your "friends" email address? Because I've had my main email account for 9 years, my account that's now my spam catcher for 13, and can still get email forwarded from my dads account that he's had for 19 years. All of those dwarf having to find someones facebook account in convenience.

      --
      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
    6. Re:Great! by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Nah--he has been having some real troubles in life and it seems more likely that he is struggling to get things straightened out again, and thinks that "starting fresh" and avoiding all of his past in the only way he can solve them.

      I'm sure that his own dad has a better idea and knows more about what is going on with the situation than some random anonymous coward on Slashdot who I don't even care to know. But nice try.

    7. Re:Great! by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 0

      I do not know if he uses either of them any more, but I do know his Yahoo! and Gmail addresses. At some point I will probably give one (or both) of those a try, if I don't hear anything from my other friend who does use Facebook... but I really doubt that he checks his e-mail. I have kept my e-mail address for years, and I know many other people do, but I also know that many others go through e-mail addresses like underwear (just like phone numbers... but maybe not quite as bad). If his complete lack of presence on both Google Talk and Yahoo! Messenger are any indication, then chances are good that--aside from Facebook--there really is no sure-fire way to find him.

    8. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      > So is an Address, but yet I must have one.

      YOU must have one. It's voluntary.

      > Clearly, life is voluntary.

      Life is voluntary. Clearly you ran out of ways to flamebait.

    9. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Life is voluntary? You mean if someone blows their own brains out in my country, they are not breaking any laws? As in, it is voluntary and they are "allowed" to do it?

      Who woulda guessed...

    10. Re:Great! by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3, Funny

      You mean if someone blows their own brains out in my country, they are not breaking any laws?

      If I blow my own brains out, you're welcome to stick my corpse in jail. The other inmates, however, might object.

      Whereas if you were to blow your brains out, you would have to aim very carefully. ;-P

    11. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People using FB are not friends! They are FB's products trying to get more products for FB.

    12. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you've got a friend who moves way out of town, loses or gets a new phone/number, and can't be found on traditional instant messaging services (Yahoo, Google Talk, etc.)... then it starts becoming somewhat of a necessity.

      This has happened to me, although after all these years I have still not caved into the pressure. But it is getting increasingly difficult to get in contact with people using traditional and in general non-Fecesbook methods.

      It as very big step from "I want to get in touch with people and this tool can help me" to saying that using Facebook isn't voluntary. With that definition using Slashdot isn't voluntary either, if we want what we find here (for some reason..). I use Facebook for much of the same reason you describe, it is a convenient way of staying or getting in touch with people, even when they move around and you don't keep up on contact details. And I find it a bit strange that people here are so concerned about privacy at a place where it is voluntary what you choose to reveal (and I also find it strange that tech savvy people seems to have so much trouble with Facebook privacy settings, I've never found them difficult to control at all).

    13. Re:Great! by ElmoGonzo · · Score: 1

      My guess is that this new skin/face will become a new Facebook upgrade that will either install itself and take over your phone or nag you to upgrade until you bend over and acquiesce. I decided I didn't need Facebook on my Android so I uninstalled it. Happily I have the option to do so -- my previous device had it in crapware where my only choice was to uninstall upgrades.

    14. Re:Great! by crutchy · · Score: 1

      i wouldn't be surprised if you were arrested for blowing your own brains out in america... then they lock you up, force feed you gruel and water-board you till you give away the secrets of your suicidal terrorist cult

    15. Re:Great! by crutchy · · Score: 1

      even products need friends... don't be discriminating against products... that's product-ist... mark my words there will be laws against that soon

    16. Re:Great! by kenbo11 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't "starting fresh" = "doesn't want to be found by you" ? So anonymous was correct!

    17. Re:Great! by crutchy · · Score: 1

      slashdot isn't voluntary... i'm literally unable to stop posting bullshit comments... i just can't do it captain... i just don't have the power

    18. Re:Great! by kenbo11 · · Score: 1

      If he wants to start fresh and leave his past behind. Shouldn't you, as a friend, respect that and leave him alone?

    19. Re:Great! by Cwix · · Score: 1

      You'd think his own dad would get a phone number or an address. Just saying is all...

      I live over a thousand miles from my dad, and talk to him weekly. Either he picks up the phone and calls me, or I pick up my phone and call him. No facebook is needed.

      --
      You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
    20. Re:Great! by LulzAndOrder · · Score: 1

      yeah, he's been having some real troubles in life (owes money to loan sharks) and it seems more likely that he is struggling to get things straightened out again (hold down a job and hide from the loan sharks), and thinks that "starting fresh" and avoiding all of his past in the only way he can solve them (which I, being his loan shark, disagree with) I'm sure that his own dad has a better idea and knows more about what is going on with the situation (and that's why I broke his legs) than some random anonymous coward on Slashdot who I don't even care to know (but I will break your legs if you get in the way). But nice try (though I will be undeterred in my pursuit of this deadbeat who is going to find himself dead and beat)

    21. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you are using Google's Android, you obviously don't care about privacy anyway.

    22. Re:Great! by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Until you've got a friend who moves way out of town, loses or gets a new phone/number

      And they wouldn't keep the same cell number because...?

      I'm assuming if they have a new cell number these days it means they are in witness protection, and I'm better off not knowing it anyways.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    23. Re:Great! by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't I, as a friend, try to find out exactly what's going on--straight from him--instead of just assuming my own predictions to be correct?

    24. Re:Great! by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      All I'll say is: You don't know him. He's not on the greatest terms with his dad either, but if anyone knows what's going on it should be him. But his dad seems almost as confused. Not everyone has perfect relationships with their parents.

    25. Re:Great! by vlueboy · · Score: 2

      We are never given a chance to judge the app's invasive permission schemes when it's already on a brand new phone. I would not download it on the Market if given the choice.

      Happily I have the option to do so -- my previous device had it in crapware where my only choice was to uninstall upgrades.

      Same here with cheap Android 2.2 device. If your device is rootable, you could had a choice of killing FB. Once rooted, you can use a root terminal to find the standard bin folder and move out or delete the facebook APK file. It disappears from the App list.

      I wish I had done that much earlier: A friend quickly signed in to check their facebook messages when I lent them the device, the masses don't even dream of using HTTP when there's a juicy app icon they can easily find. They must have hurriedly OK'd the first-run defaults, synching MY Phone contacts with THEIR FB login. I later found random people in my adress book led me to discover the problem.

      Even though I went back and decoupled his profile from my phone, Facebook will forever have my phone number, snapshots of my private contact list, location and whatever else researchers demonstrated is fair pickins for bad apps. I suspect that even if nobody ever ran the app on my phone, the SNS FB service had already given up all that info. Could be done periodically between the day I unboxed my phone and the day I uprooted it out of the phone.

    26. Re:Great! by The+Last+Gunslinger · · Score: 1

      Exactly my thinking. After reading the device permission requirements demanded by the most recent update for the Android app version of FB, I uninstalled it entirely. There's no good reason I can think of for Facebook to have visibility and control of the apps running on my device.

    27. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FaceBook is still voluntary, as far as I can tell.

      Really? Because I've never signed up and I still see their web bugs everywhere. Not to mention I get facetagged (and no doubt tracked) every time a friend posts a picture that includes me.

      Fuck Facebook(tm)

    28. Re:Great! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      1. Get noscript.

      2. Go to various sites.

      3. See what you are blocking.

      Facebook is tracking you. Facebook is tracking you even if you don't have a Facebook account.

      There are a fair number of sites that simply won't load if you are blocking FB.

      Voluntary my fuzzy butt.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    29. Re:Great! by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      1. Get noscript.

      2. Go to various sites.

      3. See what you are blocking.

      Facebook is tracking you. Facebook is tracking you even if you don't have a Facebook account.

      There are a fair number of sites that simply won't load if you are blocking FB.

      Voluntary my fuzzy butt.

      Same with Google. Google Analytics is used by far more sites - and I see it far more often then fbcdn.com And if it wasn't for NoScript which has a Google Analytics workaround, you have to add it otherwise sites really don't work.

      I've not seen any issues blocking fbcdn.com. Other than those who embed photos or videos from facebook. Though more people are likely to embed youtube videos.

    30. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does that have to do with Facebook?? If Facebook wasn't around you'd be stuck only using those methods you've described as being ineffective. So no, it isn't a 'necessity', you just want it provided to you on your terms because the other tools don't work. But surely you can't be that dense as to not have thought to maybe not use your real personal details?

    31. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you've got a friend who moves way out of town, loses or gets a new phone/number, and can't be found on traditional instant messaging services (Yahoo, Google Talk, etc.)... then it starts becoming somewhat of a necessity.

      So they've moved out of town, without notifying you (or anyone you know) of where they are going, changed their phone number (again not notifying you or anyone you know), don't respond to IMs or email but you think they will still be happy to be contacted on facebook and that this somehow makes facebook a 'necessity'?

    32. Re:Great! by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Simple: More and more people are putting literally EVERYTHING they do on Facebook, increasingly using *it* exclusively instead of having two or three potential methods of contact. It is very quickly getting to the point where it's either get on Facebook or forget about it. It's really not that hard to see this in action and figure out if you have any friends. Chances are, without Facebook, there would be a better chance that at least one (maybe even two) of those traditional methods would work. But no--people seem to think that as long as they're on that wretched site, nothing else matters.

      The problem is the clueless masses, which are unfortunately the majority. And they gather into a black hole that, to be found, "outsiders" must create a god damn Facebook account. No thanks--I value my privacy.

  2. As E.T. would say by toygeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Face-book-phooone-Hooome

  3. Malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's got malicious code in it, that downloads all the private information from the phone and publishes it for the world to see!

    IT'S A TRAP!

  4. Hackers.. by Cyphase · · Score: 0

    Those darn hackers..

    --
    by Cyphase ( 907627 )
  5. I'd like to see this guy's hat. by lxs · · Score: 4, Funny

    It must be the biggest, blackest hat in the history of the world.

    1. Re:I'd like to see this guy's hat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zuckerburg's is bigger and blacker; after all, he's socially engineered all these hackers to do his advertizing and development work for free, as though spreading Facebook was a worthy cause for expending effort.

    2. Re:I'd like to see this guy's hat. by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Has the guy actually made any modifications to it?

      When I need to install a non-supported app on my Google TV, I just download the app on my rooted phone and email it to myself.

      That's it, most tablet apps run fine on my Google TV even if their manifest says it does not support it (and my Google TV itself is not rooted, it doesn't have to be since it's just receiving the apk). Now the usability of those non-GoogleTV apps may not be that great, but that's another story. My point is that nothing on the TV itself prevents the installation of anything if the user bypasses Google Play.

    3. Re:I'd like to see this guy's hat. by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Zuckerburg's is bigger and blacker [...]

      Once you go Zuck, your privacy's fucked.

      --
      Thank you, Edward Snowden.

      "Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
    4. Re:I'd like to see this guy's hat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And its not hard to modify the accepted devices to all.

      I think the reasons it took this long are:
      Needed to download the app
      Needed to modify the file
      Needed to find someone who cared
      Needed to find a "tech website" to care.. the same one that just had a posting about the huge security concers with facebook home.

    5. Re:I'd like to see this guy's hat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is true, the fine article called them "brilliant hackers". So this must have been the most challenging hack ever.

  6. Erh... oooooo ... kaaaay? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wake me when he manages to remove every trace of phone-home crap in there, then it's maybe news worth mentioning.

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    1. Re:Erh... oooooo ... kaaaay? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Then how would it work?

    2. Re:Erh... oooooo ... kaaaay? by siddesu · · Score: 1

      This is in the other XDA thread, the one about OpenPDroid (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2098156). You may also look into the autopatcher (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1719408) for an easier install.

  7. I never ask this, but.... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Usually I am happy to admire the skill and ability of hackers in doing something interesting, and never ask "Why?" or what practical purpose it might help with. I am satisfied to admire the hack for the hack's sake.

    But here, why? Do you really want Facebook Home? This hack is like saying, "oh, the Sony Rootkit only ran on Windows, let's port it to OSX so macboys can enjoy it too." Why would you do that? There are much more interesting things to do with your time. Like vacuuming your floor or something.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because some of us have wife/girlfriends. We don't want facebook home, but as techie husbands do we hook up our wife's phone.

    2. Re:I never ask this, but.... by betterprimate · · Score: 1

      Why would you do that? There are much more interesting things to do with your time. Like vacuuming your floor or something.

      And there's much more interesting things you can do with a vacuum. Hm.

    3. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually the Sony Rootkit had great uses to hide things from hard drive scanning tech. Like Warden.

    4. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are much more interesting things to do with your time. Like vacuuming your floor or something.

      Maybe it's a prelude to something much more interesting? I don't know the xda guys at all but getting this to run on any device massively increases the pool of people who can run it or, possibly, massively increases the pool of people who can use ther own devices to check for vulnerabilities, add stuff, remove stuff, etc. Baby steps and all that.

    5. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      why?

      That was my first thought reading the headline.

    6. Re:I never ask this, but.... by cffrost · · Score: 1

      This hack is like saying, "oh, the Sony Rootkit only ran on Windows, let's port it to OSX so macboys can enjoy it too." Why would you do that?

      Your analogy has inspired my hypothesis that this is was an act of comedic performance art.

      --
      Thank you, Edward Snowden.

      "Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
    7. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple they guy(s) probably did it on commission or for a family member for a specific device and notice the general hack and made it public. Donte if you like my hack. Ta DA

    8. Re:I never ask this, but.... by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Informative

      But here, why? Do you really want Facebook Home?

      Me? I don't. My sister? Her friends? Hell some of my friends? Yes.

      While you and I may disagree with Facebook, how it works and what it stands for there are people out there who use it for everything. I mean EVERYTHING. You're not on their Facebook list? They won't call you to invite you to a party. SMS? How quaint, just use Facebook messaging from any device and talk to multiple people at a time.

      There are literally people I can only talk to via Facebook because that is their mindset. They will line up to try Facebook Home.

    9. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds a lot like aliens taking over our world...

    10. Re:I never ask this, but.... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      you really think that _nobody_ would want it?
      if you're going to use this you're likely already running the fb app for android and already using fb quite a lot.

      that it's hacked isn't that big of a deal though, since fb would have had to do some extraordinary hacks to make it hard to hack..

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    11. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      And when she wants to inject heroin, you hold her hair, right?

    12. Re:I never ask this, but.... by c · · Score: 1

      But here, why? Do you really want Facebook Home?

      Actually, I wasked "why" myself. It's in Facebook's best interest to make Home run on every stinking device out there, including Blackberries via whatever Android-to-BB magic they're using, so it's just a matter of time before they release a works-on-every-device version. So why in the world would anyone bother hacking it to allow what's inevitable?

      --
      Log in or piss off.
    13. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Cwix · · Score: 1

      I hate facebook, but comparing it to heroin is a bit much don't you think?

      --
      You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
    14. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you've never dealt with a FB addict (especially a teenage girl). They have to post their crap, read their friends' crap, play their games, etc, etc, etc. It is beyond their control.

      If you want to 'ground' a teenager these days, take away their phone and block FB, Twitter, and the other sites they thrive on via a Hosts file. If you have any questions about using a Hosts file just as "apk" three times and he'll provide more information than you ever thought possible.

    15. Re:I never ask this, but.... by rjr162 · · Score: 2

      Honest to god, no.

      I have a neighbor whos older (late 60s) and she is an absolute wreck when she cant get on facebook. Her daughter and the daughters husband live next door and I always know when shes having issues with her PC because they tell me "please fix her pc! Shes driving us crazy with the coming over to use our pc to get on facebook deal"

      She'll even tell you how crazy she goes waiting to get on facebook. She paces around, cant sit still etc just like she might as well be a junkie waiting for her next fix of heroin

    16. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not on their Facebook list? They won't call you to invite you to a party.

      Consider it a blessing. They'd not talk with you face-to-face anyway in that party, even if you were invited.

      They would be too busy bragging their "delicious drinks" and "what a great party with the coolest people on the planet" in their status updates.

      SMS? How quaint, just use Facebook messaging from any device and talk to multiple people at a time.

      No thanks.

    17. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are literally people?

      You're a fucking idiot. The "literally" applies to "people I can only talk to via Facebook" not "people", you stupid dipshit. Troll harder.

    18. Re:I never ask this, but.... by pregister · · Score: 1

      Where, exactly, are you injecting your heroin?

    19. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Cwix · · Score: 1

      Is that like saying Beetlejuice three times?

      --
      You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
    20. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Cwix · · Score: 1

      I do have to admit that I do not have that much experience with facebook addicts. I was under the impression that as people got older they tended to drift away from such inane places. I could be wrong though.

      --
      You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
    21. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worse.

    22. Re:I never ask this, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you might not feel you get enough, what being a /. poster - pussy just ain't worth staining your soul black with touching The Zuck.

      (and the magic posting word is sellout - even ./ knows)

  8. Almost too quick by sir-gold · · Score: 1

    If the program was such a quick "fix", it would indicate that the device-specific limitations were either intentionally added by the higher-ups, or Facebook Home was written by a complete idiot (considering how buggy it is reported to be, this might be the more likely possibility)

    1. Re:Almost too quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it wasn't a hack, it was a leak.

    2. Re: Almost too quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A mixture I think. I've seen apps written by large companies do that before.. They don't code to an API they have a meeting and say 'we'll write it for devices x y and z' then hard code checks to make it run only on those devices.

      My favourite example of the genre is the Sky+ app that's locked not only to devices but specific minor OS versions... Phone updated from 4.1.1 to 4.1.2? Too bad.. They'll get around to an update in a month or two...

  9. Facebook does not need help by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What self respecting hacker would donate their precious time to helping out a Mark Zuckerberg and his company. Facebook does not need this help. Facebook are the only real winners of this little feat. There are better alternatives for people who dont want to support a shady company like Facebook

    1. Re:Facebook does not need help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FB doesn't have to support this software (it's a hack!), but still gets the users. Zuck wins again.

    2. Re:Facebook does not need help by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      What self respecting hacker would donate their precious time to helping out a Mark Zuckerberg and his company. Facebook does not need this help. Facebook are the only real winners of this little feat. There are better alternatives for people who dont want to support a shady company like Facebook

      Not necessarily. Maybe some guy just noticed it wasn't supported on his phone, got curious and said, "Well why not?" So he picked apart the app, found out where/how it enabled certain phones, rebuilt that part to verify that was truly how it worked, and then published his findings on XDA-developers, adding the obligatory, "this may brick your phone" that goes on every hack on XDA-developers. As it should. You install not-thoroughly-tested mods on your phone at considerable risk.

    3. Re:Facebook does not need help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe cause it was a challenge. Maybe because he like removing the OS limitation and make it usable to everyone. Maybe cause his sister was crying that her current phone couldn't support the app and the only way to shut her up was to buy her a new phone or mod the app. You clearly don't understand the mind of a hacker. We do things for many reasons, time doesn't matter if your motivated to do something. In my view it more a slap in the face. The fact that they could have made it where all android phones could use it and either didn't do it or didn't understand it could be done is sad. As the Facebook home app has not been liked very much, it really needs to OS version limitation removed. The current needed OS version need for Facebook home is 4.0 while the largest flavor of android used is 2.3. Overall the hacker may actually like the Facebook home app and wanted it to succeed in the market place or maybe he just wanted people who wanted it to be able to have it. Overall when hacking apps and such rarely does the hacker "win" in the eyes of other but truthfully he did. He set out to remove the apps OS limitation and did. Sounds like a win to me.

  10. Still Using Forums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see that the XDA community is STILL doing EVERYTHING in a god-damn forum. Nope. No code repositories here! Just download this link from this thread on this forum and have fun!

    1. Re:Still Using Forums by VortexCortex · · Score: 0

      Said the AC posting on a forum... RSS exists.

    2. Re:Still Using Forums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Said the AC posting in comments... RSS has fuck all to do with code sharing and versioning.

    3. Re:Still Using Forums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's because much of what gets accomplished by the developers at XDA falls into the uneasy demilitarized zone where the manufacturers pretend it doesn't exist and look the other way, but technically much of what would be hosted would have at least bits and pieces that could be considered infringement of their respective trademarks, copyrights, and/or patents (example: tweaked & modded Samsung and HTC firmware).

      Due to the way trademark law works (vigorously fight all infringement, or risk losing it altogether), if XDA openly hosted files a-la-Github, they might as well paint a target on their metaphorical forehead. Likewise, as long as the files get hosted by services that are slightly shady, the manufacturers can rationalize it as an act of anonymous piracy that's largely beyond their control. If it were hosted at XDA itself, their lawyers would be firing off DMCA takedown notices (or worse) within minutes of posting.

      Manufacturers are more willing to look the other way when obtaining and flashing modified firmware involves jumping through a half-dozen annoying hoops. The more convenient it becomes, and the more likely less-technical end users are to use it, the more they (or at least their lawyers) feel compelled to fight for the sake of liability- and tech-support avoidance.

      It would be nice, of course, if we could just go out and buy best-of-breed Android hardware with open drivers and unlocked bootloaders, but the sad fact is that Google's Nexi haven't been bleeding-edge best-of-breed devices since the Nexus One (the GNex could have been, had they not squandered 6 months of exclusivity on Verizon, but by the time the GSM GNex came out, the S3 was just a month or two away), so if you want best of breed hardware with hackable firmware now, there isn't really an alternative to buying the latest phone from Samsung or HTC & using hacked and tweaked variants of the official firmware for 3-9 months until Cyanogen, AOSP, and AOKP catch up & have fully-working versions (as opposed to versions with broken Camera, GPS, 4G, or other subsystems that seem to inevitably break with every new version of Android).

    4. Re:Still Using Forums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Face it, XDA developers love their forum threads. How else would they get android plebes to worship them for work done almost entirely by other people?

    5. Re:Still Using Forums by caseih · · Score: 1

      Even something that ought to be as simple such as installing CyanogenMod on my i9000m phone is buried in pages and pages of forum posts, some dating back a long time. It's virtually impossible to track down the latest information. Sometimes people update the beginning post with the latest information and links, many times not. And installing from random file sharing sources? What a great way to get malware on my phone.

      As the other poster put it, they do seem to want to keep this phone hacking stuff a fairly exclusive little club. It really doesn't make the phone hacking scene attractive to legitimate developers and Linux enthusiasts.

    6. Re:Still Using Forums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Went there to read how he did (since summary here says he mention how) and am going thru pages and pages of "thanks" "works great" "don't work because i can't follow very basic instructions" etc

      Anyone have the actual link to the post where he mentions how it's done?

      I'd love to do the same with several other useful apps that are as dumb in limiting devices for no reason.

  11. It's like grafting a pig's nose onto your face... by Bearhouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Great technical feat though that would be, it does not make it a good idea.

  12. nobody cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, and this is impressive/useful/newsworthy how exactly?

  13. Why did Facebook limit distribution of their app? by OldKingCole · · Score: 2

    I think there's a more interesting issue here... Why did Facebook, probably the world's largest harvester of user information after Google, launch their new app for only few selected devices? Perhaps (conspiracy theory ahead) they wanted to create a hype by releasing the app for only those few selected devices, but allow easy port for people with the proper knowledge?

  14. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by D4C5CE · · Score: 1

    when he manages to remove every trace of phone-home crap in there, then it's maybe news worth mentioning

    Then how would it work?

    As a "leech-only client to Facebook" for the few who do actually care about their own privacy, but are nosy enough to want to read up on everybody else's every move (from the phones of all those to whom it couldn't matter less as they use an unpatched very verbose version).

  15. Re:Why did Facebook limit distribution of their ap by D4C5CE · · Score: 1

    For the same reason that European rules would plant potatoes in a "guarded garden for the king" so neighbors would want them too: ;-)
    There's no better way than artificial scarcity to ensure accelerated adoption.

    Plus, replacing the Home screen and interacting with the system at a lower level than probably e.g. Apple on iOS would allow, given the wide variety of Android versions (and hacks) out there that might be incompatible in unforeseen ways, Zuck probably does not want his company to go down in history as the one that (at least temporarily for Joe Avg. Users) inadvertently bricked a hundred million phones or so.

  16. Gee by virb67 · · Score: 1

    This "hacker" wouldn't actually be named Mark Zuckerberg, would he?

  17. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by lxs · · Score: 1

    If someone's not willing to share their own life but still want to peek into the lives of others then they're a bit of a peeping Tom in my book. I guess that's what two decades of reality TV has turned people into.

  18. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    The classic bit-torrent problem.

    These systems only work when you share as much as you receive. Kind of like people who are dead set against Google knowing minor anonymous details about their life yet at the same time are happy for live traffic feedback in navigation apps.

    If you're the type of person who is interested in leech only, then this is most definitely not even remotely the product for you.

  19. New business plan by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

    1) develop software for one platform only
    2) loudly trumpet that to maintain IP rights and control the product will never be developed for other platforms
    3) sit back and let hackers port it for you
    4) ...?
    5) Profit!

  20. manifest by hey · · Score: 1

    Could just be a manifest change.

  21. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Heh. I dare you to write your Congressman that.

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  22. Re:Why did Facebook limit distribution of their ap by kenbo11 · · Score: 1

    Maybe those few selected devices paid Facebook to keep it that way. "Buy our phone it has Facebook Home"

  23. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by Cwix · · Score: 1

    So if the peeping tom is willing to share (getting naked) he should be allowed to see others getting naked. Because personally I would still classify that as a peeping tom. If we reapply this upgraded standard to facebook terms, everyone is a peeping tom on facebook.

    lxs why are you a peeping tom?

    In case you hear a woosh noise I'll break it down: Analogy fail.

    --
    You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
  24. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by lxs · · Score: 1

    I don't have a Congressman. I do have a queen though does that count?

  25. Re:Why did Facebook limit distribution of their ap by tlambert · · Score: 1

    I think there's a more interesting issue here...
    Why did Facebook, probably the world's largest harvester of user information after Google, launch their new app for only few selected devices?
    Perhaps (conspiracy theory ahead) they wanted to create a hype by releasing the app for only those few selected devices, but allow easy port for people with the proper knowledge?

    It is much more highly likely that they wanted to limit distribution to the devices they had tested on, since there are two gates on the specific version of Android that a given device runs, and they had not ensured compatibility with all versions:

    Gate #1: The tree from which the frozen cut of the Android sources was derived at the time that the version was frozen for productization by the device manufacturer. For some reason, people still want to erroneously believe that Android comes from Google as a finished, productized version (it doesn't), and that it takes little effort to port vendor productization changes forward to new versions of Android (it doesn't), or that the vendors submit their productization changes back to mainline Android (some do, dome don't), or when vendors do submit productization changes back, Google incorporates them into the Android repo (they generally don't).

    Gate #2: The carrier generally will not distribute an Android update for the primary reason that it would permit you to ride out your two year contract with up to date features, and they want to use the lack of up to date features to get you to opt for a new device every 18 months on a 24 month contract, which in turn locks you back to the carrier until the next 18 months have passed. The secondary reason for not doing it is that the device might not have enough capability to run the new version. The tertiary reason is that it would require expensive testing which would net them zero return on investment.

    Basically this means that you have to test on every device before you let the app run on it, or you're going to look like you can't program when it fails on some device you haven't tested on.

    I think one of the reasons Google bought Motorola Mobility was to erase reason #1; this is consistent with them putting the Android development under the same VP as the ChromeOS development, since it doesn't have these issues, but I believe it will be an uphill (with the hill being almost vertical) battle, if that was the intended consequence of the move.

    The only way to erase #2 is to force the issue as part of the contract whereby Android is supplied to the devices, as a rider on the carrier contracts. This is an uphill battle for most carriers, both for the reasons already enumerated in #2, and the fact that it requires them to realize the revenue from the subsidy of the device at a different time than they currently do, as a result of Sarbanes-Oxley. They have to pick a different option under the FAS (Federal Accounting Standard).

    Remember when Apple rolled out the 802.11n patch to iPhones, but there was a charge for iPods and iPads without a cellular modem? This was because they were using the same FAS rule that the carriers used on subsidized devices, which meant that they realized their profit on the subsidy over time, even thought it was paid up front. By doing this, they were able to add new device capability to carrier-connected devices because that didn't violate SOx, but would have been in violation of SOx if they had rolled the same capability out to non carrier-connected devices without charge.

    It will be difficult to cause the carrier to change their FAS practices; the typical reaction in this case, to avoid having to do the same thing for all devices, is to create a separate company as a wholly owned subsidiary to operate under the separate FAS rules. AT&T has one of these, which they use to give false ANI information for telemarketers for plausible deniability by shunting them into a number block that is supposedly "reserved" by the subsidiary. The other carriers don't h

  26. Facebook Homie Security Issue by alreaud · · Score: 1

    How long has Facebook Home been out? A month? A few? Already it's been hacked in a big way. A false flag hack? Possibly, and wouldn't put it past the organization to be sly like that. Regardless the deal with Android appears to be that it's not a very secure OS already, and it doesn't bode well for security that Facebook Home took almost no time at all to get hacked in the wild. I wouldn't install that shit on my phone if they payed me and gave me a phone.

    That leads to the question of why Android is so weak security-wise? I run different versions of Linux on different machines and it's very secure and Android is based on Linux, so why isn't it as secure? Reports say it has become the target of choice for bots, malware, and hackers. So whats up with that and why won't Google fix the security holes?

    All I can think of is that between Google and Facebook, and their data-whoring, you may as well implant a RFID tag with remote control interface in your brain, and eliminate the need for carting around a device or wearing GG's...[rolleyes]

    1. Re:Facebook Homie Security Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That leads to the question of why Android is so weak security-wise? I run different versions of Linux on different machines and it's very secure and Android is based on Linux, so why isn't it as secure? Reports say it has become the target of choice for bots, malware, and hackers. So whats up with that and why won't Google fix the security holes?

      No idea about Facebook Home, but for Android itself, the "security holes" are mostly that it allows apps to actually do things, like sending SMS messages, that the HypnoSteve says are bad.

  27. Well, maybe he has removed the phone home stuff,.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, maybe he has removed the phone home stuff, to an extent, and replaced it with his own source of advertisements? Instead of people seeing facebook's advertisements, you see advertisements where the hacker gets a commission. It's not like this would be obvious, just about every android app has these types of ads in them. Seems like a lot of comments here are "why would anyone want to do that." I think "money" is a damn good answer.

    In the end, it comes down to the spyware where you know who is getting your private information, versus the spyware where you don't know.

  28. Wrong hack! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

    It seems like it would be more useful to hack it to be easier to turn on and off via the status bar.

  29. Awesome! by TheRealDevTrash · · Score: 1

    I can not wait!

    --
    I used to be /dev/trash but Slashdot no longer allows slashes for usernames.
  30. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by TCM · · Score: 1

    These systems only work when you share as much as you receive. Kind of like people who are dead set against Google knowing minor anonymous details about their life yet at the same time are happy for live traffic feedback in navigation apps.

    What. The. Fuck.

    So for live traffic feedback I should have to provide back my live GPS location or even totally unrelated information? What a completely retarded argument. You just pulled a totally unrelated analogy out of your ass.

    --
    Of course it runs NetBSD. BTC: 1NT7QvbetmANwaMzhpVL6
  31. Unix and Linux are hardware independent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All operating systems that run on top of Unix, as all Apple's operating systems do, wll run on any computer, because Unix is hardware independent since its very beginning since 1970. Microsoft operating systems run on Intel Cpus only. As you can see, they have to put software locks to avoid changing hardware. Thats is why Unix and Linux rules today.

  32. sounds like YOU are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...one of the "troubles" he's trying to escape.

    1. Re:sounds like YOU are... by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      Says the Anonymous Coward who seems to want to escape the possibility of his identity being known... ouch, the irony hurts.

  33. Hack it so it works nowhere ? by stooo · · Score: 1

    wouldn't it be better to hack it so it doesn't work on a single platform ?

    --
    aaaaaaa
  34. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by WillDraven · · Score: 1

    How do you think the service knows where traffic is backed up at? If nobody shared their GPS data there wouldn't be any traffic feedback. I'll admit comparing it to Facebook status updates is a bit of a stretch, but I wouldn't call the idea of a service pooling GPS data so users can see where traffic jams are "a completely retarded argument."

    --
    This is my sig. There are many like it but this one is mine.
  35. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They really prefer to be called homosexuals or just gays. No need for hate speach!

  36. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    In my area, there is already a sensor network built into the roads. No need for GPS sharing.

    --
    Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
  37. 99% of "apps" can be replaced by URLs by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    Seriously folks, what is this infatuation with "apps" when a URL will do? If I want weather, I can tap the link to the local conditions and forecast. If I want streaming music, I can tap the link to my music service subscription. Unlike "apps", web browsers do not rumage around your filesystem and send all sorts of info back to the mothership. Cookies and browsing history at worst, but not phone contacts, etc.

    --

    I'm not repeating myself
    I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
  38. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Hey, what you do in your spare time is your biz, I'm liberal when it comes to that :)

    But maybe write your MP and ask him or her what he/she thinks of a CCTV pointing at her house that's not under his/her control.

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  39. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by TCM · · Score: 1

    We had traffic jam reporting via radio before anyone knew what a smartphone was and before you had always-on Internet whereever you went.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_Message_Channel

    Do you really want to waste traffic with every individual car uploading its position in realtime? That's even more braindead.

    --
    Of course it runs NetBSD. BTC: 1NT7QvbetmANwaMzhpVL6
  40. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

    The classic bit-torrent problem.

    These systems only work when you share as much as you receive. Kind of like people who are dead set against Google knowing minor anonymous details about their life yet at the same time are happy for live traffic feedback in navigation apps.

    If you're the type of person who is interested in leech only, then this is most definitely not even remotely the product for you.

    TCM gave the slightly more succinct version, but I concur with him (or her) in your argument's lack of merit.

    I'm perfectly fine with Google knowing my position and speed for the very reasons you specify - when and only when I'm using it to navigate. Throw a copy of LBE Security Master on your phone and set Google Maps to 'prompt' mode every time it wants your location. It's amazing how often it wants to know where I am, even when I'm not actively navigating.

    I have a hosted Exchange account that I link to my phone. Why then, does Google automatically sync my calendar and contacts from Gmail when I sign into the phone? Literally the only three services of Google I want to use on my phone are Maps (on demand only), Search (only through Firefox), and the Play Store. Google seems to believe I want more than that; not the least of examples is the inclusion of Google+ as a "system" app or the automatic login to Google Sites and Youtube.

    The flaw in your BitTorrent logic is this: The way BitTorrent works, if I'm sharing a Kubuntu Whacky Wombat ISO, then yes, I will be expected to upload as I download...but solely for THAT ISO. I assure you that there would be significantly fewer BT users if the protocol required sharing your My Documents directory despite the ISO living on a different hard disk entirely. The latter is what Google and Facebook both do, and it's why people like myself feel the need to use tools like LBE, Permission Denied, Pdroid, and Droidwall.

  41. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Congrats, I'm sure your sensor network covers every every street in every city with real time live data for free to *every* smartphone where people are able to run google maps.

    No, sorry but your little sensor network just doesn't compare to the godsend which is google's traffic update system.

  42. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Yes we have that too. During peak hour some stations report it every 15min. GPS will not magically route around it and will instead direct you straight through the middle of the mess. If you're really lucky it's actually up to date information, and if you're really really lucky the traffic information is more than just info on a couple of major roads.

    As I've replied to someone else it doesn't even remotely compare to the convenience, quantity, and quality of data Google maps provide. As for wasting traffic, I prefer giving up the tiny (and the amount of data sent really is TINY) amount of bandwidth for what I get in return.

  43. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The flaw in your BitTorrent logic is this: The way BitTorrent works, if I'm sharing a Kubuntu Whacky Wombat ISO, then yes, I will be expected to upload as I download...but solely for THAT ISO. I assure you that there would be significantly fewer BT users if the protocol required sharing your My Documents directory despite the ISO living on a different hard disk entirely. The latter is what Google and Facebook both do.

    Napster did exactly that. Took the courts to bring it down, the users loved it.

    I have a hosted Exchange account that I link to my phone. Why then, does Google automatically sync my calendar and contacts from Gmail when I sign into the phone? Literally the only three services of Google I want to use on my phone are Maps (on demand only), Search (only through Firefox), and the Play Store.

    Because you used your gmail address as your exchange login? Syncing to gservices is what android is meant to do. If you don't want it to, then don't sign into your phone with your gmail account.

    Google seems to believe I want more than that; not the least of examples is the inclusion of Google+ as a "system" app or the automatic login to Google Sites and Youtube.

    , and it's why people like myself feel the need to use tools like LBE, Permission Denied, Pdroid, and Droidwall.

    FYI everything not user installed is a system app, including all the crapware your phone came with. It's why people like you should take the time to learn something about the device you trust your private data with. Instead of knee-jerking to everything you see on /.

  44. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    Actually, it does all of that * for my area*. I kind of doubt you'd get as accurate data from smart phones. Not every one has one with gps turned on, so your really measuring traffic of people who have smart phones. The highway could be congested, but still show its wide open. I'm really suprised that anyone would rely solely on smartphone gps data.

    --
    Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
  45. A Real Hacker... by TiberiusKirk · · Score: 1

    ... would have found a way to disable Facebook and make it uninstallable on all android devices. This guy is an amateur or a Facebook employee.

  46. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Yet in one fell swoop a single company has managed to cover every major road in every city. The system works incredibly well. Slow update rates mean you don't need everyone to have a smartphone, but if even a tiny portion of the population use the feature you get very accurate data.

    Evidence http://maps.google.com/ why not compare it to your sensor network.

  47. Great by Trogre · · Score: 1

    I can't speak either way for the merits fof this particular app, but I think the current way apps are delivered is stupid - if your device isn't on Google's list of "will work with this app" database you're screwed. The App Store has no "I know what I'm doing" checkbox to let you install apps that don't list your device as supported, and it sorely needs it.

    I had to find a hacked copy of Google Sky for example before I could get it to run on my cheap-as-chips tablet. And for no reason, apparently, as the app works absolutely fine.

    --
    "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  48. Re:remove phone-home crap - Then how would it work by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

    The flaw in your BitTorrent logic is this: The way BitTorrent works, if I'm sharing a Kubuntu Whacky Wombat ISO, then yes, I will be expected to upload as I download...but solely for THAT ISO. I assure you that there would be significantly fewer BT users if the protocol required sharing your My Documents directory despite the ISO living on a different hard disk entirely. The latter is what Google and Facebook both do.

    Napster did exactly that. Took the courts to bring it down, the users loved it.

    Yes, it did, but not by default. By default, Napster (and Kazaa and Limewire) shared the files you downloaded by default, and you had the option to share your 'my documents' if you wanted. Napster was a bit more secure, actually, because the only files it supported sharing were MP3, WAV, and WMA. Its successors allowed everything to be shared, and yes, I know people who have gotten themselves in hot water because they were sharing their documents folder and didn't exactly realize what that meant.

    I have a hosted Exchange account that I link to my phone. Why then, does Google automatically sync my calendar and contacts from Gmail when I sign into the phone? Literally the only three services of Google I want to use on my phone are Maps (on demand only), Search (only through Firefox), and the Play Store.

    Because you used your gmail address as your exchange login? Syncing to gservices is what android is meant to do. If you don't want it to, then don't sign into your phone with your gmail account.

    Wrong. I have an exchange account that is configured as a corporate e-mail, and a gmail account that's configured as a gmail account. Yes, it's meant to sync with Google Services, but why does it assume I want EVERYTHING by default? I'd be perfectly happy with not signing in to Google Services, but I can't do that if I want to be able to access my apps in the Play Store.

    Google seems to believe I want more than that; not the least of examples is the inclusion of Google+ as a "system" app or the automatic login to Google Sites and Youtube.

    , and it's why people like myself feel the need to use tools like LBE, Permission Denied, Pdroid, and Droidwall.

    FYI everything not user installed is a system app, including all the crapware your phone came with. It's why people like you should take the time to learn something about the device you trust your private data with. Instead of knee-jerking to everything you see on /.

    I am, in fact, aware that everything I don't install is considered a system app. I think that the inability to uninstall any preloaded apps is a bad thing, which is among the reasons I root the phone and get rid of the things the system says I can't get rid of, courtesy of ROM Toolbox. I do this as a first step with my phone, and like I said, I use multiple permissions-wrangling applications to take care of the rest. I don't have the foggiest idea what you're referring to when you're talking about "knee-jerking to everything [I] see on /." I guess that's what I get for responding to an AC though :/