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Ask Slashdot: What's the Best Way To Preserve a "Digital Inheritance"?

First time accepted submitter ron-l-j writes "The last few months a digital inheritance idea has been floating around in my head, and I am sure the thought has crossed your mind as well. With Google talking about the inactive account program it made me wonder, how do I make sure my children get my iTunes, and amazon movies? I have plenty of mp4 movies on my server that will just set itself to admin with no password after I do not log in within a 6 month time frame. But what about the huge amount spent on digital content every year? What's the best way to make sure your "digital inheritance" gets passed down?"

191 comments

  1. Make a list by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I keep all my media files on a shared server. Everyone in my family knows the password.

    For all my accounts, I use passwords with the same 6 character prefix, and varying suffixes. The suffixes are listed on an appendix to my will. They are also on an XD card that I keep in this keychain fob in my pocket.

    But I only record the suffixes because both my wife and daughter (age 14) know the prefix. So if the prefix were 7xU32w, then the list might say "correct horse battery staple", but the real password would be "7xU32wcorrect horse battery staple". If anyone outside my family saw the password list, it would be worthless to them because they don't know the prefix, nor do they even know that there is a prefix.

    1. Re:Make a list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This sounds good but indeed if someone knows about this system, you can easily brute-force it, since you THEN only have a six-character password. So key is to keep your mouth shut about it. This includes giving other people advice. And yes, an attacker would also set up dictionary rules to try Postfix and "mid-fix" (correct horse7xU32w battery staple)

    2. Re:Make a list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, as long as you don't post about it on the internet you should be fine. Especially on sites that millions of viewers with the simple technical background required to brute force a 6 character password.

    3. Re:Make a list by SirGarlon · · Score: 3, Informative

      I took a somewhat different approach. I keep all my passwords in an encrypted database (I like Password Gorilla). I wrote the password to this database, and the login password to my home PC, on a slip of paper and put it in a safe deposit box at my bank.

      The safe deposit box uses two-factor authentication: you have to possess the key, and you need a photo ID identifying you as an authorized user of the box.

      I prefer this approach because it is not reliant on human memory. I am not carrying a list of passwords around with me to be found by a stranger if I ever lose my keychain. It is also robust in the event I forget my "master" password, which could happen if I were disabled and went without using it for a few months. I can change who has access to the passwords through my will: currently my wife has access, but it could just as easily be the executor of my estate.

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    4. Re:Make a list by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      This sounds good but indeed if someone knows about this system, you can easily brute-force it, since you THEN only have a six-character password. So key is to keep your mouth shut about it. This includes giving other people advice. And yes, an attacker would also set up dictionary rules to try Postfix and "mid-fix" (correct horse7xU32w battery staple)

      They have to know about the system, PLUS have access to the list of site-specific suffixes. Until they have access to the list, they are stuck doing a brute force of the full length, or perhaps (since the example suggests english words are used as a suffix) a brute force of the first 6 chars (7*10^11 rounds), plus a brute of dictionary combos for 1-4 words (at 250,000 words in the english language this is 3.9*10^21 rounds just for the 4 word combo) makes the total number of rounds north of 3 * 10^33. This is a decent bar to set, as far as brute forcing is concerned.

    5. Re:Make a list by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      you THEN only have a six-character password. ... an attacker would also set up dictionary rules to try Postfix and "mid-fix" (correct horse7xU32w battery staple)

      I'm not going to pretend that "correct horse battery staple" has as many bits of entropy as characters, but unless the attacker has a copy of his will, he's going to still have an attack surface that will shut off the account first in nearly every website in existence.

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    6. Re:Make a list by smitty97 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Posting here should be fine. The total intelligence on Slashdot has been constant. However, the population is increasing.

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    7. Re:Make a list by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      This sounds good but indeed if someone knows about this system, you can easily brute-force it

      Only for extremely unusual values of "easily": First you would have to leave your mom's basement and go get the suffix list. They could do this two ways:

      1. Steal it from my pocket by assaulting me (I am a 6'2", 185lb ex-Marine with a concealed carry permit).
      2. Steal it from my safe. This would involve breaking into my sensor protected house, getting past an extremely vicious chihuahua, getting past me (I work from home, and have an assault rifle), and breaking into the safe which is bolted to a concrete floor.

      After that you would still need to crack the prefix. And then what would you have? You could read my email, and probably die from boredom. You could listen to my music (mostly oldies). You could login to my financial accounts, and transfer money from one account to another, but you would not be able to transfer anything out (that is disabled).

      It would be much easier, safer, and probably more lucrative, to just buy a gun and rob a gas station.

    8. Re:Make a list by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      This sounds good but indeed if someone knows about this system, you can easily brute-force it

      Only for extremely unusual values of "easily": First you would have to leave your mom's basement and go get the suffix list. They could do this two ways:

      1. Steal it from my pocket by assaulting me (I am a 6'2", 185lb ex-Marine with a concealed carry permit).
      2. Steal it from my safe. This would involve breaking into my sensor protected house, getting past an extremely vicious chihuahua, getting past me (I work from home, and have an assault rifle), and breaking into the safe which is bolted to a concrete floor.

      After that you would still need to crack the prefix. And then what would you have? You could read my email, and probably die from boredom. You could listen to my music (mostly oldies). You could login to my financial accounts, and transfer money from one account to another, but you would not be able to transfer anything out (that is disabled).

      It would be much easier, safer, and probably more lucrative, to just buy a gun and rob a gas station.

      Is the chance of you losing your keychain in a public area really that close to 0? And no "I have never lost a set yet in my life" is not the answer...

    9. Re:Make a list by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know what used to happen when people died? some information got lost. Scary isn't it. Seriously, this is just too complicated. Just make sure your spouse is listed as a joint account holder on all bank accounts, and that you have you will in order. Does it really matter if your email account is inaccessible? Who cares if your MP3's disappear? If your worried, just back them up on CD/DVD and call it a day. If I died, most of my online accounts would be inaccessible, but I don't think that really matters. Maybe I could ensure that my domain name stuff gets carried on, but I really don't care about my Twitter or Facebook accounts being accessible.

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    10. Re:Make a list by thaylin · · Score: 1

      , getting past an extremely vicious chihuahua

      punt

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    11. Re:Make a list by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Is the chance of you losing your keychain in a public area really that close to 0?

      The chance of me losing my keychain AND my keychain being recovered by someone who can connect it to my description on Slashdot of my prefix/suffix scheme is close enough to zero for any practical consideration.

      And even if, by some remote chance, this happened, brute forcing would only work if the targeted financial institutions allowed automated and unlimited login attempts (hint: they don't).

    12. Re:Make a list by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      You know what used to happen when people died? some information got lost

      You know what those people likely died from? Smallpox, polio, measles, and other infectious diseases. Just because bad things used to happen is no reason to accept them happening today when they are easily preventable. Ensuring that my wife and kids will have access to my digital assets took less than five minutes to setup.

      The only thing I know about my great-grandparents is their names. I know nothing about what they believed, or what was important to them. Not a single photograph or letter has survived. If my great-grandchildren are curious about me, I want them to have as much info as they want.

    13. Re:Make a list by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      "If your worried, just back them up on CD/DVD and call it a day."

      I was going to suggest something similar. If it's not "sensitive" data, just back it up. Hell, even if it is, just back it up.

      Using databases and other things that require a particular version of some software is an overly complicated and rather fragile way to do things.

    14. Re:Make a list by spacec0w · · Score: 1

      I think few people would find your deceased dad's Beatles collection on MP3 (or CD) or Star Wars in AVI (or Blu-Ray) as part of an inhertance of any practical or even sentimental interest. What's the point of passing down something that can, and surely is, in 1 to a gazillion other places in 100% identical digital form? Records, for example, at least harbor sentimentality in their little grooves, because you know the same music was scraped up and spewed out of your father's speakers, that he heard the same pops and hissing. The music actually "exists" on the vinyl to some extent. Given some sentimentality does still exist inside the DVD box, but it's not much and will probably not even be possible to buy them some day. And digital rights transfers are not exactly tearjearkers.

    15. Re:Make a list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how many people actually use "correct horse battery staple" as a passphrase now? Has it ever shown up in those dumps of "lists of passwords from site X" that occasionally show up?

    16. Re:Make a list by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      This oh yes this!

      Death is, itself, a form of information loss: everything you are and know, your memories, conclusions, and pontifications are lost to the world forever, except those that you felt important enough to transcribe into a form that can be used by your posterity.

      Important stuff is already bequeathed to various forms available to my wife on a server that's physically located inside my house, anyway. Lawyers have processes for overriding passwords and the like as needed.

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    17. Re:Make a list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have everything on a hard drive, unencrypted, zero password access. You can't delete or modify files on the media drive without a password but everything else is pretty open unless it's things I don't want them to find, then it's truecrypted... but I like your style.

    18. Re:Make a list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and bam! bank holiday, for months, and you are f*****. That's right even though it's yours, it's the banks property now. Too big to fail you know. So quickly we forget, although you are too young to forget, you never learned. That's right you are paying rent on the box. Can't pay the rent(e.g. they can change the terms of the rent, which they can do legally do at any time), you are f*****. You suddenly, magically owe them money which is more than the contents of the box worth. Read about it story after story, from the 30s on...

      http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4832471&page=1

      A bank considers your assets theirs first and foremost.

    19. Re:Make a list by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      nor do they even know that there is a prefix.

      Now we do.

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    20. Re:Make a list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So each new user makes each existing user less intelligent? Or do new users have negative IQs?

    21. Re:Make a list by Enry · · Score: 1

      Go read some of the comments about the Boston Marathon bombing on Yahoo and tell me you didn't lose a few brain cells in the process.

    22. Re:Make a list by jsfetzik · · Score: 1

      Also any exploits of the suffix information would need to either be done very quickly or in such a way that the owner did not know it was missing or compromised. Because the first thing you would do upon realizing that your suffix list has been stolen is go and change your passwords to use a new set of suffix's.

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  2. You don't own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any of it.

    1. Re:You don't own by captaindomon · · Score: 5, Informative

      I agree completely with parent. There is a difference between passing an inheritance to your children and providing access. I can leave the keys to my house to my children, but that doesn't mean the legal possession of the house will pass to them. Very different concepts.

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    2. Re:You don't own by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly, if you want to insure your children get your digital collection, fight for more sane copyright term lengths.

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    3. Re:You don't own by JoeCommodore · · Score: 1

      And now a comment from the entertainment industry...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDEdKzAZgko

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    4. Re:You don't own by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "I agree completely with parent. There is a difference between passing an inheritance to your children and providing access. I can leave the keys to my house to my children, but that doesn't mean the legal possession of the house will pass to them. Very different concepts."

      The whole question here was not about ownership, but about access. Ownership is simple: leave your hard drive to an heir. Access is something completely different.

    5. Re:You don't own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. How ignorant the OP must be to think he has the right to share his iTunes. You can't play by the rules and still expect all the fringe benefits of piracy. Either man up and torrent that shit or deal with it.

    6. Re:You don't own by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 1

      I think that stopped being true with people born in the mid-late 70s, maybe earlier. While my older "Gen X" cousins/friends are solidly into their own generation's music, everyone I know that's between 28 & 37 can name at least a few bands from the late 60s & 70s that they really enjoy. When I go to concerts with my father (4-5 times a year), it's common for a good third of the audience is under 40 years old, and a lot of our parents got into MTV (where "our" bands appeared) when it came along; "classic rock" radio/internet stations likewise play all kinds of music from the late 60s through the early 90s -- our parents' music is effectively ours as well.

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    7. Re:You don't own by hab136 · · Score: 1

      > Ownership is simple: leave your hard drive to an heir.

      Not so - your collection of games under Steam/Origin, your music/TV/movie collection under iTunes/Amazon/Google Play, and other 'licensed' digital items belong to the person who just died and can't be transferred. Legally, you're supposed to wipe those items from the drive.

    8. Re:You don't own by Polo · · Score: 1

      The analogy would hold if you licensed your house. Or possibly a reverse mortgage.

  3. Children don't like their parents music by grewil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Few would care for their parents music collection.

    1. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well for my generation my parent's music collection is vinyl. It has some value beyond musical. (yet for my generation it is digital, I guess we skipped over a few generations of technology there)

    2. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Train them right from the beginning. I have the iPod dock playing music for my son every morning. I make it a point to only have "good" music on there, and we goofy dance to every up-beat song we can. Hopefully he'll have a nice smile on his face, and fondly remembers to good times he had with dad, whenever he hears these songs.

      Make a memory, not an old man ranting point about today's music.

    3. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the vinyl they have will be worthless shit no one will ever want.

    4. Re:Children don't like their parents music by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Says you.
      I would be happy to have my dad's music collection. I rather not get it that way though.

    5. Re:Children don't like their parents music by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Few would care for their parents music collection.

      A few years ago, I was helping my teenage daughter with her homework. My wife walked in, and told us that Michael Jackson had died. My daughter asked "Who's Michael Jackson?"

    6. Re:Children don't like their parents music by grewil · · Score: 1

      Well this old man won't be a belieber any day soon, doggarned kids and their music

    7. Re:Children don't like their parents music by sarysa · · Score: 1

      Bit of a generalization there. Notice a trend in the music industry for retro everything? Album of the year went to a band influenced by the 1800s, probably lamenting that none of those original works were ever recorded. The current #1 album on the charts is Justin Timberlake's throwback to the 50s and 60s. That digital collection would be enjoyed just fine.

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    8. Re:Children don't like their parents music by gsslay · · Score: 2

      And those who do already have a copy. They're not waiting for you to die first.

    9. Re:Children don't like their parents music by sarysa · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I meant it 'features a single' that blah blah...though he also performed it on SNL and other places on his'buy my new album' tour...

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    10. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 2

      Says you. I would be happy to have my dad's music collection. I rather not get it that way though.

      I've now got my dad's music collection -- which I'm glad to have. "That way" comes whether or not we'd like it too . . .

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    11. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can spend your entire life researching Michael Jackson and the question will at most change from "Who's Michael Jackson?" to "Who the fuck is Michael Jackson?!"

    12. Re:Children don't like their parents music by war4peace · · Score: 1

      My parents modeled my music preferences. And I thank them for that. By letting me listen to what they were listening, they managed to keep me away from all the garbage that was being played as mainstream at that time. Hello, Pink Floyd and Van der Graaf Generator; fuck you, Kriss Kross and NKOTB and that shit.
      I apologize to those who love(d) Kriss Kross and NKOTB. I still think it was shit. To even things out, they could say my preferred music is shit and I promise I won't care :)

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    13. Re:Children don't like their parents music by cybernanga · · Score: 2

      I listen to music from my parents generation, it brings back lots of (mostly) happy childhood memories, and as I've listened to more of it, I've learnt to appreciate it, and have made my own discoveries of good music from the same era. As a teen I had different musical tastes, that my parent's couldn't stand, and I went through a phase of not wanting to hear my parents music, but one grows out of that.

      My 19yr old daughter, recently said "I wish I was alive in the eighties, you guys had the best music" I was flattered, but I also know that she only gets to hear the good music from back then. I have my parents music collection, my daughter wants mine*, and we both wish we had my grandparents collections.

      * Sweets, if you read this, hopefully you still have a loooooong time to wait before you start prising it from my cold, dead fingers

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    14. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well for my generation my parent's music collection is vinyl. It has some value beyond musical.

      I'd check out the prices of vinyl on eBay before making that judgement...

      Warning: You may be disappointed.

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    15. Re:Children don't like their parents music by war4peace · · Score: 1

      You sure? I own the '68 Polydor Bee Gees Golden Album and it's selling at 61.20 USD currently (http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=560357). That's just one example I quickly searched for. There are vinyl records selling for 10K+ USD; some are acetate indeed but hey, feel free to browse your momma's collection and who knows, you might get rich.

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    16. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Bit of a generalization there. Notice a trend in the music industry for retro everything? Album of the year went to a band influenced by the 1800s, probably lamenting that none of those original works were ever recorded. The current #1 album on the charts is Justin Timberlake's throwback to the 50s and 60s. That digital collection would be enjoyed just fine.

      Doesn't mean the kids *want* the stuff from the 50s and 60s, they're just starry eyed thinking how brilliant Justin Timberlake is for even knowing about that old stuff.

      And the only reason they're listening to Justin Timberlake is because the record industry is busy marketing him and his amazing album.

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    17. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah, I found out that I like my parent's music more than they do. Tried making a mixed CD for them a couple of times to a lukewarm reception. Musical tastes change!

    18. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most != all? derp.

    19. Re:Children don't like their parents music by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Few would care for their parents music collection.

      After being exposed to Taylor Swift and One Direction, my kids heard Kansas, Floyd, and Van Halen.

      Their take? "That can't be old-person's music. It's so awesome."

      Some of my favorite music was written 5 and 40 years before I was born. But it's true - my parents' music was 50's and 60's schlock, not Hendrix or Miles.

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    20. Re:Children don't like their parents music by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's the point at which you, as a responsible parent, are supposed to bust a move with your best Thriller dance, singing along as you do, subsequently embarrassing the hell out of your progeny.

      Bonus points if you can make this happen in a crowded public place; Extra bonus points if your daughter's friends happen to be within view.

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    21. Re:Children don't like their parents music by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Yes-yes. That doesn't mean you shouldn't check them out. Some of what others call worthless shit might have great value to others (not in terms of money).

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    22. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      My seven year old knows who Michael Jackson is or at least knows the name and
      I don't own nor do I listen to any of his songs. I find it very surprising that a
      teenager wouldn't at least know that he was a singer.

    23. Re:Children don't like their parents music by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      I see your kids aren't grown. It pisses my daughter off that all her friends like Zeppelin and Floyd, she was burned out on it when she was a kid.

      The reason my generation didn't like our parents' music is because it wasn't really all that good. Nobody in their twenties in the seventies listened to music from the thirties, but music from the late sixties to the early 2000s seems to be timeless; go into any bar with a cover band and it will be full of twentysomethings yelling "FREE BIRD!" as the band plays some Nugent or Sabbath.

      Also, at least in my case, my tastes in music have expanded greatly. These days I'll listen to about anything except hiphop, opera, or bubblegum pop (Beiber, the Archies, every generation has that dreck). When she was a teen my daughter turned me onto ska. My ex always hated punk, so it never got played. One evening when she was at the store I put on a punk cassette. Daughter's eyes got big and she said "Dead Kennedies? You like the Dead Kennedies?" Turns out that the music I loved that she never heard, she also loved.

      As to the submitter's question: Physical media, baby. Records, tapes, CDs, DVDs you can sample and rip to your hard drive. I know you guys in a dorm room or tiny apartment say "But I don't have the room!" Don't worry, you will. Just store the physical media at your parents house. You'll have room soon enough.

    24. Re:Children don't like their parents music by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that tends to always be true. The thing about music from a few decades back is that the only old music people still listen to after all that time is usually the good stuff. For a fair comparison, you need to compare Taylor Swift or One Direction with bubblegum pop.

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    25. Re:Children don't like their parents music by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

      Really?

      Hmmm... I love a lot of my parents' music and their parents' music. I even like some of my kid's music. And my kids seem to like mine, more and more. Its a lot of fun introducing them to stuff that was popular 'way back', regardless if it is on vinyl or digital.

      Over the weekend, the older one was cleaning up her iPod, disposing of her rap crap. It doesn't speak to her anymore. I doubt it ever did. Most likely it was only because it was what her friends listened to. Something to annoy the old folks ( me ).

      Only the wife likes Disco and only my mother likes Opera.

    26. Re:Children don't like their parents music by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Well, that's just a matter of education. I expect my daughter to be an expert in Jackson Structured Programming by the time she's seven.

      Wait, he died?

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    27. Re:Children don't like their parents music by __aaeihw9960 · · Score: 1

      And the only reason they're listening to Justin Timberlake is because Justin Timberlake is busy marketing him and his amazing album.

      FTFY, he is a shameless self-promoter - google that, I'm too lazy to provide proof.

    28. Re:Children don't like their parents music by kermidge · · Score: 1

      This is another of those "it depends" I think.

      Late 90's to 2001 worked mostly third-shift in a store. Kids (legal teens to mid- late-twenties) would come in to get their Whip-Its, papers, browse, and I'd be playing whatever, some Cream, Spirit, Leonard Cohen, Buffalo Springfield, Drifters, Rotary Connection, Eric Burdon and the Animals, It's A Beautiful Day, Chambers Brothers, stuff like that. Often they'd say "Man, what is that shit?" Five, ten minutes later they'd say "Man, what _is_ that shit? I gotta get me some of that!"

      Over the years I've come to think that it's the music; good stuff is appreciated - the music engages the senses, good lyrics infiltrate the intellect, (and even when music and lyrics are fairly standard, if it's different and catchy, it's a spark, and rock'n'roll is forever) and another human thinks to explore more beyond what they automatically hear every day. Heck, one kid, about five months later, comes in and tells me that among other things he's started listening to a bit of Bach - by a roundabout chain of listening that started with him grooving on some Steppenwolf I was playing! I think it's neat stuff.

      Sure there's a generational thing. We didn't have that many records when I was growing up - Fred Waring, Tschaikowsky (sp?), Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Victor Borge, Burl Ives, a hodgepodge smattering of stuff. So when I built my first crystal set, I naturally sought out rockabilly, rock, R&B, anything but what we had at home. But the music of my youth stuck and led me, from time to time, to explore things I might not have otherwise.

    29. Re:Children don't like their parents music by plover · · Score: 2

      Yes-yes. That doesn't mean you shouldn't check them out. Some of what others call worthless shit might have great value to others (not in terms of money).

      I think you're missing the whole concept of "value" here. Value is exactly the amount of money someone is willing to pay for a thing (including yourself if you lost the thing and wanted a replacement.) As a seller of such things, you want to seek out the buyer who would place the greatest value on the thing, and give you the most money for it. But until the money is in your pocket, the value is just an assumption.

      The demand for most of that stuff is finite. Billy Bob may pay $69.00 for a certain Beatles record that he remembers fondly, but the local used record store is only going to give you $1.00 per disc. What's the value to you? Depends on who paid you for it.

      When my grandmother passed, the whole family gathered to clean out her house prior to listing it. We had conversations about who would keep which things. Then there were things like "collectible" plates that people might assume have some value. We offered those to anybody who wanted to take them, "check them out", and sell them. They ended up in the dumpster because they didn't offer the promise of enough value to be worth the effort to carry them away.

      We no doubt did someone else a favor by driving up scarcity. Didn't change our value of the stuff from zero, however.

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    30. Re:Children don't like their parents music by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

      My 23-year-old stepdaughter plays Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull in between her Foo Fighters and Three Doors Down.

      My 14-year-old-son thinks the Beatles are amazing.

      My 21-year-old nephew is a Dead Head.

      Your knowlege of other peoples' children is somewhat sparse.

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    31. Re:Children don't like their parents music by plover · · Score: 1

      Physical media has plenty of problems. It has a finite (but often not well understood) lifetime, it requires bulky and sometimes temperature controlled storage, it's susceptible to contamination, it's difficult to copy losslessly, it still specifies an encoding, and it requires expensive equipment that is slowly vanishing from the landscape. Whether or not they are still readable 20 years from now is a gamble.

      At least you can safely archive digital bits, and copy them all over the place. I'd recommend ripping them to a lossless digital format while you still have a turntable and tape deck available. Keep the media, for sure, but don't place too much faith in it.

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    32. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      I bought vinyl 'Pac Man Fever' at a garage sale for 25 cents then sold it for 50 dollars the next day.

    33. Re:Children don't like their parents music by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be so sure about that. My daughter, son, wife, and I have somewhat different tastes but with a lot of overlap.

      Then there are the movies. Hundreds of movies and quite a few TV series as well.

      Everything in unencrypted container formats with a password to the SMB share that my wife and dad know.

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    34. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Teenagers have surprisingly limited vision. Depending upon where they are and what their interests are, they might even be completely unaware that a meteor almost hit earth last month, or that a new pope was just selected, etc.

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    35. Re:Children don't like their parents music by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself. My kids' (23, 21) musical taste has two centers of attraction: Thrash and Rat Pack.

      It's odd listening to their tracklists: Sinatra followed by Slayer followed by Dean Martin followed by Metallica (with an occaisional side trip to Motown or Black Sabbath).

      My kids are weird. I couldn't be more proud of 'em.

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    36. Re:Children don't like their parents music by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't mean the kids *want* the stuff from the 50s and 60s, they're just starry eyed thinking how brilliant Justin Timberlake is for even knowing about that old stuff.

      Who's Justin Timberlake?

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    37. Re:Children don't like their parents music by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I beg to differ. I think you're restraining the term of "value" to "monetary value only". My dad's Bee Gees vinyl would be priceless (and irreplaceable) to me because it was his. No other Bee Gees vinyl I would buy would make it "was my dad's".
      Nobody would pay shit for my grandpa's wartime letters to my grandma, but I would be very, VERY sad if I lost them. They have a huge symbolic value to me, which can't be counted with hard cash.

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    38. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My parents have a shitton of Beatles and Springsteen. I'm a metal head, but everyone loves The Beatles and Bruce. That being said they just let me copy it all to my computer when I was like 10 so this isn't really an issue for us.

    39. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      Well for my generation my parent's music collection is vinyl. It has some value beyond musical.

      I'd check out the prices of vinyl on eBay before making that judgement...

      Warning: You may be disappointed.

      Damn right. many a year ago I bought Elgar conducting Elgar - some 1930s recordings on vinyl I found somewhere. I had 'em priced once at 10c each. I held onto them - I mean, heck, it's Elgar conducting Elgar - and the price today is the same. If anything, they've lost value 'cause of inflation.

      Any Elgar fans out there, feel free to contact me... we can dicker.

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    40. Re:Children don't like their parents music by sarysa · · Score: 1

      They are definitely not outliers either, as Family Guy has brought the big band genre to 20-somethings and 30-somethings. FWIW, I've lately been frequenting a 30's-50's station on Pandora -- inspired by a flash animation which featured "Reefer Man" (saw 8 years ago), I now listen to songs like Louis Armstrong's "You Rascal You" and "That Cat Is High", both recorded over 40 years before I was born.

      It's a shame my (long since deceased) father's Stones collection is lost to the ages. I've grown to like them.

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    41. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's always going to be a percentage of good, original stuff and a percentage of crap, but I think it goes in waves.

      Some brilliantly original artist comes along (say Buddy Holly, or Elvis) and takes the world by storm. The record companies didn't see it coming, but they run with it and immediately sign a thousand artists who sound kind of like the current big seller, but aren't brilliant. Eventually, the copycat bands fade into the bubblegum as everyone realizes they aren't brilliant, but the record companies don't know what else to do, so they just keep churning out the same crap for a decade or so.

      The, another brilliantly original artist comes along (say Trent Reznor or Kurt Cobain) and the cycle starts all over...

    42. Re:Children don't like their parents music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And some of it he'll want to loot for the same reason I fully intend to loot my parents' collection: Some music is off the market because nobody's quite sure who actually can sell it. (If we can't have saner copyright periods, can we at least have a nice database that serves as public, legal record of who holds the copyright?)

  4. Rip and store locally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's simple, just rip a copy and keep it locally therefore you don't have to trust them.

  5. license not goods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You have a non-transferable end-user license so all your digital stuff goes away and amazon and apple and everyone else is happy. That's why digital content is bullshit -- because you are just renting it and don't really own it.

    1. Re:license not goods by PhotoJim · · Score: 4, Informative

      I buy all my stuff on physical CDs and DVDs/Blu-Ray discs and then rip it (in the case of my music) for a few reasons, but this is a big one.

      If ever I want to give away the media, I can - whether I'm alive or dead. No confusion, no complication.

  6. Violates the ToS/EULA/etc by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the best way to make sure your "digital inheritance" gets passed down?

    Put it on physical media and give it to them. Or remove the DRM (if any) and put it on a disc and give it to them. Or (if you're okay with it) move it to a third party pay system like Google Drive where you can make it readable to them. Keep in mind that in doing so you will almost certainly be violating the usage agreement you clicked on with the distributors your got that music from -- in some cases you are violating it two or three different ways in that scenario.

    This story wasn't true but you'd essentially be facing the same obstacles.

    Based on principle that I don't want to get into, I refuse to purchase anything from Apple. So I don't have to deal with that problem. I do make purchase on Amazon, however, whenever a Big Bach box of 100 Bach songs goes on sale for $1. So what I do is I download them all in mp3 and put them out on a redundant SAN in my house. I do this with all books, music and movies -- if I buy the CD or DVD I rip them out to this. If I get a DRM'd ebook, I free it with calibre and put it out there. Pretty sure I'm violating a ton of shit doing this but ... meh:

    2.2 Restrictions. You must comply with all applicable copyright and other laws in your use of the Music Content. Except as set forth in Section 2.1 above, you may not redistribute, transmit, assign, sell, broadcast, rent, share, lend, modify, adapt, edit, license or otherwise transfer or use the Music Content.

    Every five years or so I upgrade the drives to medium quality drives that are larger for more storage. So this machine running as an internal server to my home is unencrypted and I can access it with my PS3, Xbox or computer. I will simply hand over that machine and drives to my offspring in my final will and testament.

    You should honestly still be asking about MMORPG accounts, apps and games that you paid for ... I'm sad that I cannot give my children my old Lucas arts games. The media is archaic and my "license" with the company is meaningless more and more each day as Disney dismantles and guts LucasArts. I wrote a journal entry about this in 2006 and it was on the front page but that discussion seems to have been lost to the ages. I'm certainly not the first person to puzzle over this quandary and it will only snowball further and further.

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    1. Re:Violates the ToS/EULA/etc by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Why not rip the games and give the kids a link to scummvm?

    2. Re:Violates the ToS/EULA/etc by sarysa · · Score: 1

      'Tis why I still buy CDs. It makes me a luddite, sure, but I can easily digitize it and so long as I delete the copies, I am still protected by first sale. (Guess this only works if you only buy music where you get it for the entire album experience)

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    3. Re:Violates the ToS/EULA/etc by eldavojohn · · Score: 2

      Why not rip the games and give the kids a link to scummvm?

      I do when I can. It's great, those guys are doing god's work and I implore anybody who could even foresee the use of it to kick them a couple bucks. But the fact is that it doesn't cover all the games I grew up playing like it only handles half the Dr. Brain series which that first game was fundamental in my understanding of logic and programming. And when I said LucasArts, I was mostly talking about X-Wing and Tie Fighter -- which I don't think used the SCI engine and I do not believe are available on scummvm. I think they can be run in a Win7 compatibility mode but I'm trying to sever Windows entirely from my dependencies.

      It's more so a consumer protection and ethical question: how are we preserving that which we have valid licenses to? What is a company's responsibility (if any) to aid you in moving forward with those games?

      Possible topics I'd be interested in considering are things like: should companies make an ethical move to include licensing terms that state they will open up source code they control if they go bankrupt? Should it be viewed as anti-ethical to shelve source code and let a product decay? To what level is that? I'd like to see a movement in the software world towards a future where we do not have "lost" ideas and art that were sacrificed to default greed at literally no benefit to their original owners/creators. It just feels wrong to think back on all the software I've used and realize that anything older than 6-ish years is very nearly completely gone. Games are the obvious example but I'm talking everything, even the stupid little versions of music players and instant messengers I used in college.

      No one's asking these questions but here we are, hung up on the symptoms ... long live (literally) open source, I guess.

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    4. Re:Violates the ToS/EULA/etc by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      'Tis why I still buy CDs. It makes me a luddite, sure, but I can easily digitize it and so long as I delete the copies, I am still protected by first sale. (Guess this only works if you only buy music where you get it for the entire album experience)

      Give yourself a bit of credit, man; refusing to be a sucker != being a Luddite.

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    5. Re:Violates the ToS/EULA/etc by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      X-wing and Tie Fighter should run fine in DOSBox. That runs on Linux just fine.

      I don't think these companies care, nor will they ever.

    6. Re:Violates the ToS/EULA/etc by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Amen. Too much is lost behind licence restrictions, locked up by companies who don't do anything with it. This infuriates me - good stuff is sitting on a shelf, earning for no one, and the companies could either release it openly or even sell it for a few bucks. The bullshit (even if true) reason given that some game designer/publisher's distant relative won't sign a release is a sign that the situation is fubar.

      I like the way you handle the bulk of your media; it seems one of the more simple and useful ways of going about it.

      I don't have all that much, mostly music and an assortment of movies and a few TV series, so I figure to dupe a few drives and hand 'em out to family and friends, let them do with 'em as they will. While I use a few cloudy things for temporary convenience I will not rely on them for anything - all my stuff is local or off-site backup.

  7. The answer is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't pass on a "digital inheritance" of purchased digital content, especially one hosted on some cloud service.

    At least, not officially. The account would still have to be in your name and the company would have to believe you were still alive.

    The true answer is to purchase physical content. CDs, Blu-rays, real actual discs that contain ALL of the data. Anything that requires a company's server to be available for authentication or data is eventually doomed to failure, and will not reach future generations (because, as we well know by now, business needs change and customers get hosed because of it).

    1. Re:The answer is... by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The account would still have to be in your name and the company would have to believe you were still alive.

      Well, that's easy. Incorporate and have Anonymous Coward, Inc. buy all your music and movies and such for you. Pass on the corporation and its assets in your will.

      Undeath: Not just for soulless corporations and liches anymore!

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    2. Re:The answer is... by captaindomon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's a good idea, but legally moving the money into the corporation in order to purchase the stuff gets pretty complicated tax-wise. You might want to look at something like an open trust instead. Talk to your tax lawyer. IANAL.

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  8. Better check your licensing agreement... by MasseKid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IANAL, and I haven't checked the license, but I suspect you legally don't own rights that can be passed on upon your death.

    1. Re:Better check your licensing agreement... by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      IANAL, and I haven't checked the license, but I suspect you legally don't own rights that can be passed on upon your death.

      Look at the bright side: If everything you own is eventually "licensed, not sold" -- and thus reverts to the "rights holder" on your demise -- you won't have to worry about estate planning and inheritance taxes .

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    2. Re:Better check your licensing agreement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why you don't mention these things to the authorities. D'oh!

    3. Re:Better check your licensing agreement... by idontgno · · Score: 2

      Only on Slashdot can someone point out the probate advantages of serfdom over freehold. Even if in jest. In the "Ha, ha, only serious" sense.

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    4. Re:Better check your licensing agreement... by Cyfun · · Score: 1

      What're they gonna do? Sue me from beyond the grave?

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  9. Put it in your will by digitrev · · Score: 2

    Put all of the relevant information in your will, or in a sealed & notarized envelope only to be opened upon your death. Accounts, password, approximate contents, the whole shebang. If you're worried about someone taking this information before you're dead, put in a single account and password to your KeyPass database, or an e-mail account that only has usernames / password, etc. Then, find some way of tracking access to that account, so that it pings you when someone uses it. Heck, even add a 1-week timer to it, so that they have to be sure you're dead before they can get those passwords.

    Basically, rely on the systems we've always used to pass along our inheritance.

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    1. Re:Put it in your will by war4peace · · Score: 2

      The KeepAss Database would be happy to send it all to you in physical format through their newest HaulAss transport branch.

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  10. Do what's sensible... by DoomSprinkles · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I bet Hollywood and the RIAA would like to assume you'll make the only sensible option and inform your beneficiaries to use your life insurance to repurchase all such content you think you own.

  11. Dead man switch by CoolCash · · Score: 1

    Lets say Google does implement an inactive account system. Create a process that detects that account deletion and then sends out an email to your family members with a copy of your keepass file, that way they will have access to all of your accounts after you pass away.

  12. Terms by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure when you die the license agreement you have between Apple or Amazon (or whoever) is ended and ownership ceases.

    Anyone actually read that thing?

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    1. Re:Terms by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Anyone actually read that thing?

      War and Peace is shorter than the Apple/iTunes EULA (and less densely written).

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    2. Re:Terms by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      Anyone actually read that thing?

      War and Peace is shorter than the Apple/iTunes EULA (and less densely written).

      Actually, the Apple/itunes EULA incorporates 'War and Peace'. I refer you to Section 28, subsection 14, part b, which starts off with 'Well Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now part of the family estate of the Bonapartes'.

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  13. License agreements... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    Do the license agreements for iTunes and Amazon digital movies (and music) allow you to pass them on to others?

  14. Easy by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are two ways that I can think of. The first is to just list all the titles, and then provide a link to the Pirate Bay. You could even save them time and torrent the titles yourself first.
    The second is to provide your password (e.g. in an encrypted container, with the password to that in your will) and hope that the companies will not realize you are dead. I know, maybe a better idea would be to stop licensing stuff and actually outright buy it. Buy DRM free, and you can make a copy yourself. Don't purchase anything that requires DRM or whatever.
    The third way (which doesn't do what you ask) is to just forget it. Just set it to die when you do.

    Also, just delete all the porn. I'm sure your kids don't want to know what sort of weird stuff you are into.

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    1. Re:Easy by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Yes, because deleting all your porn AFTER you die is mighty easy.

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    2. Re:Easy by slazzy · · Score: 1

      It is very easy. Read up on a "dead hand switch"...

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    3. Re:Easy by asylumx · · Score: 2

      Read up on a "dead hand switch"...

      When I was a kid, we called that "the stranger."

  15. Take it into consideration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first thing I thought is that the record/movie companies generally don't want you to hand over digital copies.
    Instead you should take this into consideration when you "buy" those things and not pay more than half of what you would for something that you could transfer.
    This way you will have enough leftover money for you children to buy the same copies if they want them.

  16. Your password by onyxruby · · Score: 2

    The problem is the concept of the license instead of the purchase. The media companies want to get away from the idea that you 'own' anything. In order to do that with the shift to digital goods they 'license' everything. This way when you die they can claim that all of your purchases were in fact not purchases but in effect lifelong rental agreements. Your heirs get nothings and all of the money you spent becomes wasted.

    There are two potential ways too challenge this. Someone could list a large number of digital assets in a bankruptcy case and get the trustee to challenge the idea that they cannot be sold. To the best of my knowledge the only time this came up it was settled out of court without setting precedent. The other way is to have the trustee of someone's estate challenge this when you die. The bottom line is that you have to have enough digital assets for the trustee to feel that it is worth their time and money to fight over. Since most people only have a couple grand or so in digital assets it usually isn't worth the court costs to try to recover them.

    The practical alternative is to include your account password in your will so that your heirs can log into your account and use it after you pass away.

  17. Simple Solution by Rich0 · · Score: 1

    Keep all that stuff on physical media unencrypted, and your heirs get it along with all the other junk in your attic.

    Your passwords could be stored in a similar way, or you could get clever about it (online vault, with the password in your will or whatever).

    Just assume that anything protected by DRM doesn't belong to you in the first place. By the time you die chances are half of it already won't even be accessible by you because some company went bankrupt. Whatever promises you've been given are about as well as those given to your parents by the 8-track recording standards committee.

  18. you can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you own them with a non-transferable license, you can't give it to anyone. When you die, they can't legally take posession of them because of the terms you accepted when you bought them.

  19. Why bother? Bits rust. by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    What makes you think that your children will want it? Music and movies go stale. I have a vast collection of music from way back when, that I never listen to.

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  20. Parents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm wondering if the submitters parents have carefully organized their collections of VHS videos and LP's to pass on to 'Ron'... LOL of course not, they've got better things to do and they know subby has other interests these days.

  21. could all be different in decades by peter303 · · Score: 1

    half of these sites were not around 10 years ago and all of them 20 years ago

    1. Re:could all be different in decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      half of these sites were not around 10 years ago and all of them 20 years ago

      Not unlike the consistent problem with format shifting and technology. No one said archiving digitally was going to be easy, but likely worth it.

    2. Re:could all be different in decades by zugmeister · · Score: 1

      I have a large(ish) collection of .mod, .s3m and .xm files. They were mostly made in the late 80s - 90s on Amiga and Ataris I think. Packed in there with them is a copy of "ModPlug Player" which somehow fires right up on my current Win8 machine. Assuming your reader program is packaged with your media you'll have a pretty good shot at keeping your data alive.

    3. Re:could all be different in decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As far as possible convert everything to flac. Wav format is essentially just raw waveform data and will always be readable. Flac is a lossless compression of wav format plus tags, and as long as it's possible to compile a simple C program, with no hardware dependencies, it will always be possible to convert between these two formats, and so play flac files.

  22. Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how do I make sure my children get my iTunes, and amazon movies?

    Believe me, they really don't want that shit. You might as well ask how you can make sure they get your valuable coffee can full of odd-sized bolts and your collection of cancelled checks going back to 1978.

    1. Re:Why bother? by PhotoJim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's down the list, but it's stuff that has value, so it's not that insane.

      On the same continuum would be photographs - photographs can have a great deal of historical value, both to a community and to a family. Having some sort of a plan to ensure that they get passed on to someone who will care about having them and value them is a good thing.

    2. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, they're not on the same continuum at all.

      Personal photographs have sentimental value to immediate relatives and are potentially of interest in the future. In 50 years, having a picture of your great-grandpa when he was 11 years old will still have some value to your relatives.

      Digital copies of commercially available mass media are literally worthless. Nobody on earth will care about your digital copy of "The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn, Part 1", or whatever useless cruft you think is going to excite some nameless, faceless relative who you seem to imagine will spend months lovingly cataloging and curating your media collection for posterity.

  23. Solution: stop buying, start pirating. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do not pay money for digital downloads of movies or music. Do not purchase e-books. Only purchase games which have interesting multiplayer portions.

    Stop giving them your money. Just stop doing it.

    1. Re:Solution: stop buying, start pirating. by tbird81 · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      Do any geeks actually use iTunes?? If so, they're not a true geek.

      If you really want your kids to have your mp3 collection, leave them in an unencrypted folder on your hard-drive. Or they can just download the songs/full albums themselves.

  24. Keepass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make an archive of a keepass database, with a working windows binary, as well as the source code. Even if they can't figure out how to use it, someone should be able to, even when you're long gone. Being an open format that's currently widely used, it'll probably be around for quite a while.

    Then put your prefix on it, with an additional password that will be released somehow when you're inactive for too long. Of course make sure you only include stuff you want in there.

  25. Commercial media is just not all that important by Lev13than · · Score: 1

    My late father-in-law was a DJ. We have several boxes of his LPs, 45s and reel to reel tapes in the garage. Would you like them? If you call now I'll throw in a few milk crates of our VHS tapes, CDs and DVDs at no extra cost.

    In contrast, we also have 40 years or so of 8mm/VHS family video that he put on DVD before his death. DVD isn't perfect, but those get backed up and have been shared with family.

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    1. Re:Commercial media is just not all that important by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Yes, I would like them. I actually like sifting through piles of recordings and find interesting stuff.
      Sadly, I am not living in the US. Guess that makes your proposal inaccessible to me :)

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  26. Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one who thinks that this is a little bit strange? If someone (in this case a spouse or parent or grand-parent) dies there are far greater issues involved than who gets to download some random stuff. As long as the important information about bank accounrs, insurance, etc. and personal stuff like letters, photos, home movies are accounted for there's really no point in worrying about stuff you bought. Alternatively, if you really want your heirs to inherit the music you liked to listen to, the books you read, and the movies you cared for, how about you get physical copies? There's something special about taking a book from the shelf knowing that a loved one who has since passed on did the same thing, held it in his hands, read the exact same printed lines on the exact same paper, and that it has the smell of, let's say your grandfather's pipe still lingering between the pages. Compare that to a sterile bunch of DRM encumbered bits on some computer. In short: Think about practical issues first and then think about sentimental value rather than how much money you might have thrown at Apple and other companies.

  27. Probably can't ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    As has been pointed out several times, the license probably doesn't allow for that.

    Take your hypothetical death out of the equation, and ask: how would I transfer ownership of my digital media to someone else right now? I think you'll find the answer is the companies involved have stacked the deck in their favor, and there is no mechanism to do that.

    In their interpretation, you don't own it, you bought a limited license to use it only how they approve.

    If there's no legal mechanism you can transfer ownership of it while you're alive, what makes you think your death changes anything?

    It's not 'property' per se. It's the new fangled digital property, which you don't own and have very few actual rights to. And those rights aren't transferable.

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  28. Hardly a problem just for digital content by cellocgw · · Score: 2

    Consider your IRA, 401k, etc. holdings. Unless your spouse or heirs know the passwords to all your Fidelity/Putnam/Vanguard/Hancock accounts, it'll be a major pain to get at your money. Heck, what with all-electronic statements and stuff, it may be really difficult just to find out your accounts exist (and their numbers).

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    1. Re:Hardly a problem just for digital content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that beneficiaries are named on those accounts. Unless you chose not to do that, then it's your own damn fault.

  29. Digital Photos by DougOtto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The days of family photos being passed down are gone. A shoe-box full of slides is remarkable durable, barring a fire. When grandma dies her collection of digital photos dies with her. While perhaps no exactly a "first world problem" it's a pretty significant issue when you consider the amount of history that can be lost. It's especially important to artists. Imagine if all of art produced by the likes of Picaso, Rembrandt, Van Gogh vanished when the died and someone shut down their computers. Most archival media available is susceptible to silent bit rot and spinning media requires care as well.

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    1. Re:Digital Photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine if all of art produced by the likes of Picaso, Rembrandt, Van Gogh vanished when the[y] died

      Then I would have had less boring topics to study in school. Sigh. One can dream...

  30. Time by Zecheus · · Score: 0

    What makes you think your kids are in any extent interested in your digital media? If you think digital media defines you as a parent, maybe you should re-calibrate, spend more time with your kids, not your media.

  31. There's already an app for that... by ZeroPly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... in a manner of speaking. This is a well known problem in crypto.

    My way: all of my passwords and secret documents are in an encrypted folder which I update along with my will. Included are final farewells, secrets, where the bodies are buried, and so on. The key is split (look up PKI key splitting) into 5 parts. My girlfriend, father, buddy at work, and two of my friends each have a part. For security reasons, those are just examples. Four of those parts together are required to unlock. At my death each one turns in their part to the executor of my will who already has instructions on how to get it put together.

    It is not a good idea to naively split a 10 char password into two 5 char pieces, and assume that brute force will be necessary to guess one of those parts. That is a very dangerous assumption if you are not an expert with the particular algorithms used.

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    1. Re:There's already an app for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a really good idea, since there is no conceivable way that you and any of those other people might die at the same time.

    2. Re:There's already an app for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just what exactly do you have that is so important as to justify the super-secret-double-nought spy nonsense?

    3. Re:There's already an app for that... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "The key is split (look up PKI key splitting) into 5 parts."

      This is completely unnecessary, if you want to make sure all 5 parts are present before anybody can access the data. All you have to do is use standard encryption 5 times, and give each person 1 of the keys. (And of course specify the order.) But that way you can use standard encryption without any fancy "split keying".

    4. Re:There's already an app for that... by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1

      The key is split (look up PKI key splitting) into 5 parts. My girlfriend, father, buddy at work, and two of my friends each have a part. [...] Four of those parts together are required to unlock.

      Better make sure you're not travelling in a car (or airplane, etc) with two or more of your keybearers...

      Why not give all of them the complete key and trust them? Thats what I do (minus the gf).
      I know nothing about your friends or family, so YMMV.

      CJ

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    5. Re:There's already an app for that... by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      If most of your family and friends all die at once, your digital assets are the least of the concerns.

    6. Re:There's already an app for that... by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Well, if you read on you'd see that only four of those parts are needed to reconstruct the key. That's one of the key benefits to key splitting. You can divide the key into an arbitrary number of parts and allow any combination of an subset of those keys to reconstruct the original. In your scenario, if one person died the whole shebang would be up.

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    7. Re:There's already an app for that... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      If most of your family and friends all die at once, your digital assets are the least of the concerns.

      It doesn't need to be "most". It just needs to be one, in addition to yourself. And yes, it would be a concern. If my wife and I died together, it would be very important that my kids have access to my bank accounts, insurance policies, deeds, and the creative work and correspondence of my lifetime.

      Besides, no one else needs to die. One of them could just lose the key. This could happen inadvertently, or because of a fire, disk crash, theft, etc.

      An encryption scheme can fail two ways:

      1. Positive failure: An unauthorized person gets access.
      2. Negative failure: An authorized person is denied access.

      This quintuple key super-secret 007 scheme has almost no change of a positive failure, but over a lifetime, a very, very high chance of a negative failure.

    8. Re:There's already an app for that... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Well, if you read on you'd see that only four of those parts are needed to reconstruct the key."

      That's why I wrote "... if you want to make sure all 5 parts are present before anybody can access the data."

      But if you only want X keys out of a total of Y, and X is less than Y, I don't know of a good way to do that other than that sort of key splitting.

      Interesting problem though. I will give it some thought.

    9. Re:There's already an app for that... by ZeroPly · · Score: 1

      For this particular scenario you would certainly want key splitting. Remember that this is for your death, and that it is quite feasible that you and your girlfriend die in the same car accident. Or that there is workplace accident that kills your buddy along with you. The 4/5 is arbitrary - that is what works for me. But even 4/7 might be feasible. The important part is that the key holders are unlikely to collude, or to be identified and coerced without your knowledge.

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    10. Re:There's already an app for that... by ZeroPly · · Score: 1

      Sorry for the duplication, but you are misunderstanding how key splitting works. The key is split into say 7 parts, and out of those, any combination of 4 parts have to be present for the original to be recovered. In that case, hypothetically - you, your girlfriend, your dentist, the janitor at work, and your drinking buddy would have to die at the same time for the key to be permanently lost. The people entrusted with the parts should not be in the same circle, both for security and to make sure a common accident does not cause exactly this problem.

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    11. Re:There's already an app for that... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      There are other possible schemes, though, too. For example, rather than key splitting you might opt for redundancy.

    12. Re:There's already an app for that... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      (I should have added: redundancy would probably require that the possessors of each "part" of the key were ignorant of who held the other parts. But then, key splitting might require that too.)

    13. Re:There's already an app for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Empirically, 5 is not enough. Voldemort required 7 horcruxes.

  32. You don't really own it by MpVpRb · · Score: 1

    Think of it as a longer-term rental

    You have access to it until the provider decides it is no longer profitable to maintain the servers

  33. Re:Why bother? Bits rust. by war4peace · · Score: 2

    Maybe because it's shit music.
    I'm counting the number of famous bands from 40 years ago which still are famous versus the number of famous bands from 10-5 years ago which still are famous. The former number is much, much larger than the latter.
    The change started around the end of '90s-early 2000s when it became a lot easier to create "immediate" music with close to no skill; before, bands relied on their members' ability to play instruments well and come with imaginative lyrics. After that time threshold ('99-2001) the advance of electronic means to programatically generate music (loops, beats, etc) made it easy to pick a bambi in bikini or mini-skirt, have her yell some meaningless words in a microphone while some sound engineers made the voice sound pretty and others made it match the background generated song, rinse and repeat, publish, see money flowing in like crazy.
    That's why I'm stuck to 20th Century in terms of music. I was then mesmerized by the ability of singers to keep a note for 20+ seconds in a live concert, the amazing skills of drummers to bang their drums in a 15+ minutes solo, the incredible features of guitarists to shred notes with ease and all of them kept emotions flowing through me. Now all I see is 4-minute songs which yield ansolutely zero emotion. More tits, less music.
    Recently, I briefly enjoyed dubstep (it was something new) and then it became plain and repetitive. Every skillless wannabe jumped the bandwagon and squeezed out the same stuff with minor variations.

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  34. Make sure you're really buying things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact that you mentioned iTunes is a very serious warning sign. I have no idea about Amazon, but it is known and I believe it has been upheld in court, that no person has ever bought anything from iTunes. YOU NEVER BOUGHT ANYTHING ON ITUNES. Every file is licensed. That isn't to say you should hesitate to break the law (what's done is done; chalk it up to fraud on their part) but stop using iTunes to "buy" things, and investigate Amazon very carefully before you continue using them. For example, I know for sure that I literally purchased (and now own) all my music CDs. Get up to at least that level of ownership.

    If ownership is not offered or can't be usefully taken advantage of (e.g. video), because of laws like DMCA (e.g. you can't legally make use of purchased Blu-Ray discs) then stop buying and switch to piracy, at least until the conventional market opens. You should never feel guilty about pirating things which aren't for sale. Just make sure you're ready to come back to the table if they ever come back to the table; don't ever commit to the impasse being permanent or else you lose the moral high ground. And of course don't pirate things which don't need it (music).

    My woman stands to inherit-by-default our legal collection of music and our illegal collection of video. And she'll be looking over my shoulder when the next RMA-ed disk comes in and we re-add it with mdadm. That plus Google means she'll be ready, if something happens.

    The part about the machine going passwordless after 6 months' inactivity is a little suspicious, too. That sounds both insecure (can someone fake it by diddling with the clock?) or inconvenient for the bereaved during the 6 month wait. Just have a family member know the damn password, already.

  35. 6 Months? by xeio87 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one confused about the 6 month timer? Who is going to leave a server running for 6 months after your death? Is this in a remote datacenter where you're always paid at least 6 months ahead? Is everyone relevant already informed that the password drops after 6 months so they'll know to check? Is the password even needed to access the files (is this data encrypted) or could they just mount the drive on another machine? I'm imagining messing with the BIOS or spoofing the NTP server to provide it a future time but I can't see going through that effort for a bunch of movie files. Fun way to get at any secret encrypted files though...

  36. my children get my iTunes, and amazon movies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how do I make sure my children get my iTunes, and amazon movies?

    By changing existing copyright law. The *AA will fight the inheritance tooth and nail. "Our contract was with ron-l-j, and not his heirs."

  37. Think bigger. by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Think bigger.

    1) Your kids probably don't want it. How much of your grandfather's-era of music would you actually listen to? Not much. Sure, they'd like to keep a photo or two for "show-and-tell" but it won't mean much to them later, and 99.9% of what you want to give them, they won't be interested in. When people die, they have a lot of crap to go through, and most of it gets destroyed or sold - nobody keeps EVERYTHING. The first things to go are mass-market commercial items that can easily be replicated / recovered.

    2) Your kids won't know what to do with it. It's become hard to play web video from 10-15 years ago (when was the last time you installed Quicktime / Realplayer?). Doesn't matter what you do, they probably won't be able to play it (DRM, etc.) - you can scream open-source all you like, the fact is that by the time they grow up, unless they are as geeky as you, they won't be able to play it.

    3) Out of all the crap I could have "inherited", I kept only what was personal and important. There probably *WAS* value in the old 78's that I took to the charity shop, but to be honest, it wasn't sentimental value so who cares? There's no way I could listen to the music on them and tolerate the slow-droning that passed for music back then. And the stuff I did keep was daft, for a reason and - without exception - tangible. There's enough non-tangible stuff in my head from dead people without some "virtual" music that I could pick up in seconds if I really wanted it.

    4) When they get older, they'll care less. They will be working and could buy your favourite music on the format of the day for nostalgia, if they wanted it. Chances are they won't dig out the old CD player except to blow the dust off and show the kids how music "used to be" (like previous generations would demonstrate their phonographs etc.). Fast forward a generation and all your Netflix accounts (assuming that company is even AROUND by then) won't mean anything to your family. That favourite movie that they always snuggled up to watch as children? Chances are they don't remember as adults or - if they do - they'd prefer it on a convenient modern format which they would buy themselves anyway.

    5) The generation problem. I know things about my grandparents. I know next-to-nothing about my great-grandparents. I'd never seen them, they were dead before I was born. Hence, I don't really have more than a passing interest in them. I know zero about their parents and the further back you go, the less I know and the less I care. I probably *am* related to someone famous at some point - almost everybody is and even simple maths provides the answer - every famous person of ten generations ago probably has nearly a thousand people who can trace their ancestry directly to them today, and millions more whom can get there with third-cousins twice-removed or whatever.

    Sure, it'd be cool to have a piece of documentation etc. for filling in a family tree but - thinking about it - my dad probably does have that kind of stuff about his own granddad. But why would he show it to me / pass it to me? I have no connection with the person it came from and it would mean almost nothing.

    Now consider what it would mean to see a list of music that your grandfather liked, or your great-grandfather. Now consider how much it would be different to have that music in some online-only account that's tricky to get into (and almost certainly the details will be lost by then), impossible to play if you do, may not even exist any more, etc. It's not as much as you think.

    And by then most of that stuff will be so old-hat it won't even be put onto TV / radio as it would have been repeated a billion times and gone through the "gold" nostalgia channels and be next-to-worthless, like asking me to watch something that my great-grandad saw at a music hall. Interesting. Once. For a minute. That's about it.

    6) All this effort takes you away from your kids. They honestly won't give a shit beyond lip-service and keeping

    1. Re:Think bigger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That seems a bit snarky and shortsighted; everyone is different.

      I find I have far more in common -- tastes, styles, attitudes*, and so forth -- which my grandparents' generation (b. 1900-1915) than my parents' (b. 1950-52) or my own (b.1980s). I greatly wish I had more from my grandparents than I do and I know other people who feel the same way. And family history is very important to us.

      *they were quite progressive for their time -- especially living in the deep south -- being quite pro-equality for blacks and women.

  38. Get off my lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your children won't want any of your music and movies anymore than you wanted your parent's polka collections and Bob Hope Christmas specials. Stop wasting your money on digital media and pass down a real inheritance.

    1. Re:Get off my lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, I borrowed several of my parents' vinyl LPs, digitised them, and scanned the artwork to make my own CD/hard drive copies.
      Your generalisations are worthless.

  39. securesafe.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use a commercial service like www.securesafe.com. I keep my 80+ password and all important files (e.g. Insurance documents, etc).

    If I die, disappear or am otherwise "no longer here", two of my relatives enter on the website a code I gave them.

    The system then tries to reach me during a certain period on all known addresses (mail, mobile, etc), if it fails it assigns each password and document to the specified beneficiaries. (It does not just share PW).

    The creepiest feature of the platform, tough, is the accompanying message you prepare for the case your beneficiaries receive access to the passwords. "My Dear, if you read this message I am now dead"...

  40. Re:Why bother? Bits rust. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shitty music and movies go "stale." This does not happen with quality media.

  41. Re:Why bother? Bits rust. by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Ah, where's the "Naive" moderation when I need it?

    Yes, some things go stale, and many come back for seconds years later. I'm 54, and have watched numerous movies from before my birth. My daughter (22), has watched tons of movies from before her time. She's recently discovered Sinatra (I was never a fan myself), and loves it. So, just because you don't want it, does not indicate that your offspring won't. Tastes change, styles come and go....one size doesn't fit all.

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  42. This is why DRM sucks. by Captain_Chaos · · Score: 1

    I'm just going to state the obivous: NEVER, EVER, BUY ANYTHING ENCUMBERED WITH DRM! Or at least not without knowing you can remove it. This is what I do. I buy digital content all the time, but music only in the form of MP3's or otherwise unencrypted formats, and ebooks only in MOBI or ePub formats, from which the DRM is easily removed.

    I don't buy movies online, since they aren't sold without DRM yet, and it can't be reliably removed yet. I buy them on physical discs, which may have DRM, but which I can at least pass on to anyone I want.

  43. How is knowing artist relevant ? by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Few would care for their parents music collection.

    A few years ago, I was helping my teenage daughter with her homework. My wife walked in, and told us that Michael Jackson had died. My daughter asked "Who's Michael Jackson?"

    How does not knowing the band/artist make one unable to appreciate a great piece of music? I can see the other side, being a fan of a band/artist can make one like something that is in truth, of low quality. However not knowing the band/artist would seem to make one more neutral when evaluating music.

  44. The service providers took care of that for you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't have anything to pass along, because you exchanged money for the non-exclusive, non-transferable right to consume that piece of data. You entered into a contract that said you weren't going to give any of this stuff to anyone else, so that's taken care of.

  45. and the answer is... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    Piracy

  46. That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the RIAA and other groups, its not your content (or at least it won't be) so don't worry, there will be no inheritance.

  47. Bitcoin Inheritance by j0ebaker · · Score: 1

    It seems to me a difficult thing to pass on a bitcoin inheritance.

  48. Get over it by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2

    If all you intend to leave your children is your MP3 collection, then that is pretty sad.

    First, don't BUY digital movies. There is no point to it. Even buying physical movies is stupid. Unless you are absolutely going to watch a movie more then 5 - 6 times there is no economic reason to spend $20 - $30 on a movie you are going to watch once or twice. People have this silly notion of collecting content, whether its physical disks or digital files, but it it economically stupid to buy a movie in this day an age of instant access for a few bucks, especially when a year later its on Netflix. There is no reason to spend a fortune accumulating a movie library which its more economical to rent or subscribe to services to access that content on demand, and in the future it will be just easier and cheaper to access movies and TV shows on demand.

    When it comes to music there has not been a music service that has forced DRM since iTunes when DRM free about 5 years ago. So you can transfer your music to a hard drive and give them that, assuming they want to listen to 30 year old music.

    But I guarantee your children don't care about any movie or music you "owned" when you pass, especially if you unwisely blew through all "their" inheritance money to accumulate it. Buying music or movies is NOT an investment.

    Also there is no point to have a crazy scheme to reset passwords on a file system, any content can be "reowned" by a new admin account, also why are you password protecting your movies, just throw them onto a shared family folder anyways.

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    1. Re:Get over it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, wonder what paradise you live in that you never have any internet or power outages. (Or civil unrest, if you're in such a populated area that these things don't happen to you.)
      The next time my power goes out for a few hours and I'm still watching my movies and listening to my music without any Internet I'll smile and think about how bored you are. Should a 9/11 event ever happen to the Internet (and I hope it doesn't,) I'll do the same.

      First, don't BUY digital movies. There is no point to it. Even buying physical movies is stupid. Unless you are absolutely going to watch a movie more then 5 - 6 times there is no economic reason to spend $20 - $30 on a movie you are going to watch once or twice. People have this silly notion of collecting content, whether its physical disks or digital files, but it it economically stupid to buy a movie in this day an age of instant access for a few bucks, especially when a year later its on Netflix. There is no reason to spend a fortune accumulating a movie library which its more economical to rent or subscribe to services to access that content on demand, and in the future it will be just easier and cheaper to access movies and TV shows on demand.

    2. Re:Get over it by tbird81 · · Score: 1

      During a power outage you'll use physical media to watch a movie? Isn't that going to drain your MacBook battery pretty quickly?

      And he said "buy" not "download".

  49. Depends on when you plan to die by grumbel · · Score: 1

    If you plan to die soon, you are in trouble. While you can record account logins and passwords, giving those to other people is frequently a TOS violation. Giving accounts to other people, splitting them up or merging them is simply not something most services support or outright forbid. DRM-free downloads are possible with some services, but it can be a lot of hassle to download them all and archive them in a manner that would be useful. Only chance here is that the laws get changed to give you back some of your consumer rights, it seems to be slowly happening in Europe already.

    If you plan to die in 60 years or so, I really wouldn't worry. Those things being digital means that there is zero collectors value for them, so by the time the data gets handed over to your kids they will be of as much use as old VHS recordings of Star Trek, i.e. worthless, as you can get better quality versions of those shows for free on Hulu.

  50. Why would you do this? by Pope · · Score: 1

    [quote]I have plenty of mp4 movies on my server that will just set itself to admin with no password after I do not log in within a 6 month time frame. But what about the huge amount spent on digital content every year? [/quote]
    Uh, why?

    As for the rest, pass on anything that's DRM-free (like the iTunes and Amazon music), and delete the DRM movies. If they want the movies they can buy it for themselves.

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  51. Nope by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    >> how do I make sure my children get my iTunes, and amazon movies?

    Actually I don't believe they legally can. My understanding is that as far as the law goes you dont technically own that stuff anyway and certainly cant legally transfer copies of it, you just bought a non-transferrable licence to play it thats all.

    Apple and Amazon can arbitrarily stop providing access to any streamed media anytime they feel like it, even if you bought a licence to play it, so its still not technically yours. Read the licence agreement.

  52. Oh Yeah, Disney Is VERY Forgive and Forget by eldavojohn · · Score: 1

    X-wing and Tie Fighter should run fine in DOSBox. That runs on Linux just fine.

    I don't think these companies care, nor will they ever.

    You underestimate the power of the Disney side ... :-(

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    1. Re:Oh Yeah, Disney Is VERY Forgive and Forget by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      How so?
      You really think they will somehow find out and sue me?

    2. Re:Oh Yeah, Disney Is VERY Forgive and Forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How so? You really think they will somehow find out and sue me?

      You said they won't care nor will they ever implying you were completely safe. You didn't say "they won't know" ...

    3. Re:Oh Yeah, Disney Is VERY Forgive and Forget by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I mean they won't care about updating their licenses or anything the GP wanted. They don't want him to be able to give his media to his children.

  53. How dare you! by zmollusc · · Score: 1

    That stuff you paid for isn't yours to leave to anyone! What are you, some kind of pinko terrorist?

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  54. Licenses don't transfer at death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reread those license agreements, especially for music and digital videos. You can't pass them on to anyone. Heck, those licenses can be terminated at any time for any reason by the publisher.

    Death is a reason, but it is more likely that a format change will force your heirs to re-purchase the same content 3-10 more times over their lifetime. Just like we did with records, cassettes, then CDs ...

    The only certain way to force your perceieved rights to be retained is to strip all DRM from any content - books, audio, video ASAP and store the content in non-encumbered formats that any device can playback. I am not suggesting that you don't honor the intent of the agreement, just that we shouldn't be forced to purchase the same content more than once for a household and should have the option to pass-on this content to our heirs.

    I haven't a clue how to get iTunes content passed to my heirs. Do you?

  55. pretty simple really, by nimbius · · Score: 1
    purchase a time machine and go back 6-8 years to the point at which Richard M Stallman told you this would be a problem.

    how do I make sure my children get my iTunes, and amazon movies?

    you dont. amazon cloud drive products as well as iTunes are non-transferrable. there is no resale or loaning, or even giving away an ebook for example. Besides, as the standards are rather closed in most cases, you couldnt even if you wanted to. read the terms and conditions.

    I have plenty of mp4 movies on my server that will just set itself to admin with no password after I do not log in within a 6 month time frame.

    Again, unless they hold the license for these movies, you're only gifting them a visit from the MPAA.

    But what about the huge amount spent on digital content every year? What's the best way to make sure your "digital inheritance" gets passed down?"

    As a consumer, you're late to the party. the "digital" as you call them contents of your personal life upon which you so openly spend are covered under an inumerable number of intractable license agreements and content restrictions. these are legally binding, force you into arbitration disputes, and come with an army of attorneys ready to turn you into a fine red mist if you so much as dare challenge them outside of it. to make matters worse an estate attorney would be about as useful here as tits on a bishop.

    the only answer is to open the formats you have. stop treating the cloud as something designed to help you, and when storing locally plan your data backups. consider a key-based authentication system that your children have access too after your death (yubikey for example) and if you're seriously intent on giving them your movies, consider creating PDF's of the invoices/receipts from amazon.com or itunes from when you purchased the content. bonus points if it can be matched up to a financial statement.

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  56. It depends on the value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prof. Gerry Beyer published a paper addressing some of these issues, available online at http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1879950

    I happen to think setting up a revocable trust is the best option, given licensing restraints on digital content. This is only worthwhile with larger asset collections, though. For a more casual transfer, placing identifying information in a safety deposit box passed in the will is probably sufficient. And for minor assets: c'est la vie.

  57. Relatively short answer by nicholasbbyrd · · Score: 1

    Most of your digital content is legally non-transferable, meaning that if you obey the law, the vast majority of your "digital inheritance" no longer belongs to you. Beyond that, put it all on backup drives. As for online accounts, if you want to keep them, catalogue your user ID and passwords, put them in a letter with your will, and will it to a person of your choosing. Although, if you are like me, you would have also included instructions to continue your FB account with random zombie posts until it is no longer deemed funny.

  58. CISPA by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, CISPA will make it all illegal anyway, so we can move on to worrying about more important things in life - making money for corporations and politicians and such.

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  59. iTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask Bruce Willis about iTunes.

  60. It's a problem now, not just in the future by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I already ran into this with Steam.
    When my sons started getting Steam games as gifts, they were too young for their own account (2004?) - they were 7? 8? so I (I guess, stupidly) applied their games to mine, would log on and let them play.

    Over the years, we just kept accumulating games, and applying them to "the house account". We did open an extra account once, so we could multiplayer (I think we have Magicka on that one too.), and then (by accident, since 14 year olds are often more interested in getting "that game" installed than thinking about) a couple more games got installed on that account too.

    Now they're 17+ and (obviously) have their own accounts.

    Unfortunately, I have games and stuff on my account that are technically theirs...Civ5, Magicka and a ton of expansions, Skyrim, etc. I don't play them, I don't want access to them, etc. I'd love to just xfer them to their account, and be done. But right now we basically have to text each other "Dad, you on steam account (X) tonight, or can I play on it?" because we have my (main) account, our other (house) account, and then each of their accounts.

    (I tried to raise this concern earlier here, and the Slashmob attacked me for lying, fabricating the situation, and all sorts of things. Not sure why? But I simply doubt many of these services, and certainly Terms, weren't drafted with a 10+ year timeframe expected. Now I am paying the price for not thinking it through, either.)

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    1. Re:It's a problem now, not just in the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy the game again in their account?

  61. Do not spend time on it by FaxeTheCat · · Score: 1

    Give the kids a disk each with the personal media (pictures, family videos etc). Do not care about the digital medial If your kids are like mine, they really do not care about my stuff. They are building their own collections. Let us face it: What is valuable to us is of no value to the kids. If it is, they would have taken a copy a long time ago.

  62. Raaaaiiiiiiaaaaaaain..... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    I wrote a journal entry about this in 2006 and it was on the front page but that discussion seems to have been lost to the ages.

    And isn't *that* ironic? Don't you think....?

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  63. You can't bequeath what isn't yours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you die, the books that you've borrowed indefinitely go back to the library you borrowed them from, not your daughter!

    You don't own your digital items, so there's nothing to bequeath. It goes back to the Library (or Apple, or whoever you "rent-indefinitely-but-dont-actually-own" 'ed it from).

  64. Lifemap - personal digital archive w eBeneficiary by Denimsmith · · Score: 1

    Hi Ron-l-j, I have been working on Lifemap @ https://www.milifemap.com/ for a few years after a death in the family and other *real life* issues that affect families but are currently unsolved for by the web. We're in public beta and would invite you to check it out and welcome any and all feedback to improve upon the experience. A Lifemap is the most comprehensive personal digital archive for permanently organizing your meaningful memories into a life story and legacy. Families can now securely and intuitively organize, archive, enjoy and share the stories of their lives while curating a lasting legacy of love and life. Here is our demo video on YouTube that introduces Lifemap: http://youtu.be/tzp9ZT6xIFs We have the ability to appoint an eBeneficiary to inherit your Lifemap and a curated story of your life. We have a deep roadmap but are only focused on self-generated content & a family's emotional assets for the time-being. Hope you check us out! Thank you for your time, Denim

  65. Ouch. Er, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reason my generation didn't like our parents' music is because it wasn't really all that good.

    I find that to be a pretty insulting statement. I was born in the early 80s, like some of the music of the 60s, hate 85% of the music of the 70s & 80s, enjoyed the 'alternative' movement of the 90s immensely and was sad to see it mostly peter out into boy bands and crap-pop in the early 2000s.

    I listen to all genres - rock, country, jazz, classical, folk, electronica, metal, you name it -- but you know what my favorite music is, by far? 20s-40s jazz/pop. Sure, there was plenty of bad music then too, but overall the time presented a quality of lyrics and melody not seen before or since. There's a reason so many artists keep on remaking the 'standards.' Gershwin, Berlin, Porter, Carmichael, Mercer, Kern, Rogers & Hart.

    I can't stand crappy songs (which especially make up most of today's pop efforts) that are nothing but a chorus repeated 20 times with an additional verse or two tacked on to string them together.

  66. Shameless plug... by ralfalot · · Score: 1
  67. Think better and get it done by LNils · · Score: 1

    Try to get past dvd's and such. All the stuff, be it financial or otherwise (bank accounts, 401(k)'s, insurance policies), is to get to your heirs or be there in case you need it. Our families do not have all the details, and our advisors are even farther back. What if you have that bus accident you've been fearing, and are in a coma? We are so quick to assume the only answer is personal/digital or shoebox. There is a new service, Heir Atlas, that collates your list of stuff, your list of trusted individuals, and advisors as well. Account numbers for "traditional" assets (i.e. bank accounts and policies) are unnecessary. As sharp as we think we are, we won't be updating digital mediums as aggressively when we're 87. Do the right thing and go to heiratlas.com. It's going to be free shortly, if not already.

  68. Wrong assumption by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

    It seems like you're operating under the assumption that digital inheritance of goods you've purchased a license to will pass to an heir the same way a physical item would. I'd be willing to bet Apple, Amazon and the content owners have a different view on that. If I'm not mistaken, when you purchase a movie from a service such as iTunes, you're not actually purchasing it, you're paying for a non-transferable license for personal use. Before you start asking questions about how to make sure the transfer of ownership takes place, I would first start with the more basic question of do you even have the option of transferring ownership upon your death.

  69. Not sure I want some of my legacy to surface. by JimtownKelly · · Score: 1

    What do do with the 10,000 pornographic movies I hoarded behind the Great Firewall of China? I feel a bit like Noah Levenstein, in that my nephews and grandsons might be grateful but the rest of the familiy should never know about their ancestor's stash.

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