Police Capture Second Marathon Bombing Suspect in Watertown, Mass.

Police have captured believed Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was "pinned down" in a boat stored behind a house in Watertown, Massachusetts. You can listen to the live police feed here.

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Make him run the Marathon

[jfdavis668]

Over and over again.

Re:Make him run the Marathon

[Anonymous Coward]

Typical slashdotter.. thinks exercise is punishment.

Lift that cheeto! LIIIFT! Lock it in!

Re: Make him run the Marathon

[Doubting Sapien]

Guess who's presecuting? I'm watching the live stream from ABCnews and who should I see muscle her way in front of the mic but Carmen Ortiz. Yep, the one of Aaron Swartz fame. God! It would be such a travesty if she should escape responsibility for bullying Aaron by riding the political prestige to be had from punishing this nut job bomber.

Re:Make him run the Marathon

[jamesh]

Iraq wanted us out, so it's their fucking problem now.

You say "Iraq" like it's one thing with a unified want... I think you might be mistaken about that.

Re:Make him run the Marathon

[Opportunist]

Does a non-anonymous European work better? Here's one.

The US have a great history of meddling with something, noticing that they bit of more than they could chew, then run away from the problem and leave others to pick up the debris. Actually amazing that you didn't fuck up after WW2, that was pretty much the last time when you decided to stick with it and take responsibility.

Yes, Saddam sure wasn't a nice guy (ok, he was a buddy back when he attacked Iran that decided to turn from buddy to Teh Evil practically over night and all those shiny F14s you sent there were now in the hands of those Islamists, but when he dared to attack someone other than what you wanted him to, he turned from buddy to Teh Evil over night). But at least the effin' country was STABLE. It was near impossible for some Islamist to establish a base of power there. Now, you managed to make it easy for them.

Good intentions being the pavement to the road to hell, ever heard that one? Guess it would be adapted as the US foreign policy motto.

Re:Make him run the Marathon

[Opportunist]

Considering my family was stuck in some Soviet-occupied area for quite a while after the war and you didn't lift a finger to change anything about that, well, thank you. Apologies if it doesn't really sound too sincere.

When comparing Communism and Capitalism, I gotta say, the difference ain't that great, though. Does it matter whether you can't buy anything 'cause it's not available or whether you cannot afford it? Does it matter whether you can't go anywhere because you must not leave or because you cannot afford to leave? Does it matter whether you have no choice of your leader because there is no choice or because there isn't any real difference between them? The main difference was that at least you could speak your mind, but we're working on reverting that.

Re:Make him run the Marathon

[rahvin112]

As a red blooded American let me say, FUCK YOU.

You're an ass. What we did in WWII we did for ourselves. Don't you think for a fucking minute that the "Europeans" owe us a god damned thing because the American sacrifice in WWI and WWII barely pays them back for the French support during the revolutionary war. Millions of French starved and the country went bankrupt because they supported our revolution, again for purely self interested reasons, just like our own reasons during WWII.

Don't get me wrong, the asshole you're replying to is just as big of an ass. Almost every single problem area or hot spot with atrocities going on in the world today is almost directly at the feet of European meddling. From India, Pakistan and Afghanistan having bullshit borders drawn by some British general, to the creation of Israel to the havoc colonialism has wrecked on Africa. Almost every single problem in the "old" world can be traced to bullshit Europeans caused.

Sure the US has it's problems and Bush's meddling and in particular the Iraq war deserve the ridicule they often receive. But no nation in this world has clean hands with regards world relations. Even those Scandinavian countries that have done the least meddling deserve blame for standing silent while their European neighbors raped half the worlds populace.

Americans and Europeans have both fucked up at various times. Rather than confrontational bullshit about claiming one is better than the other why don't we focus on what we both agree on instead of letting our minor (and they are very minor) fucking differences dominate the conversation. We can both help each other be better but not if you jackasses keep pretending one of us is better than the other because it ain't fucking true.

Re:Make him run the Marathon

[Opportunist]

1. Vietnam might disagree. But I admit, comparing this would be very unfair after all you fled the country. It's a given that you can't clean up as you would in an orderly retreat. I cannot really comment much on Korea, lacking data, but it seems you did fairly well there considering their economy and population are doing quite well (I'm talking about that part of Korea you actually had your hands in), and most likely without your intervention the whole peninsula would now suffer the fate of the northern half. I have to give you that, this was one good move, and I'll have to review my position on this portion of the statement. What remains, though, is that what comes after simply isn't even close to par with it. But then again, I still think Eisenhower was the best prez the country had since WW2. He handled the occupation organization of Germany in a splendid way and most likely was one of the few that could end the Korean war in a favorable way for the US, with him at the helm Vietnam sure would have ended differently... or not started at all, since he initially refused to go there in the first place... but I digress.

2. Saddam was no saint, not by a longshot. He most certainly was a nightmare for his country, but, and that's after all what US foreign politics are usually about, a boon for the US. He was a fairly stable point in a very unruly area, one which also holds a lot of strategically very important resources. Oil, for example. At first, the Iran (yes, THAT Iran) was "our man in the middle east", and the US supported the Shah. Also not really a saint, if you remember (if you don't, look him up). Not really far away from Saddam, was he? And the US pumped an insane amount of top notch, state-of-the-art military hardware into the country. Quite literally, they were armed to the teeth with, IIRC, the fourth largest army on the planet, equipped with the most advanced military equipment money could buy at that time. They got the SAME tech level military equipment the US had themselves (a mistake the US would not repeat).

After the coup of 79 the US were kinda shaken. Now there was a country, ready, able (and probably willing) to take over the whole middle east that was decidedly NOT an ally anymore! War against them, aside of not really being very popular just 4 years after the Vietnam debacle, would have been a nightmare. If you fight a technologically equal enemy, expect similar losses on your side that you inflict.

So Saddam became an ally of the US. He was by no means any better back then, but he was willing and able to wage a war against the Iran and stall them enough to make not only their military hardware a bit more dated but also decimate their stockpile of weapons.

So, please, not the argument that Saddam was a monster. Yes, he was. No doubt about that. But being a monster and a scourge for the people who are subject to its rule has never ruled out an oppressor as an ally of the US. Pinochet, Noriega, Branco, they were not really the epitome of democracy and liberty either, but all of them were installed or supported by the US as part of its foreign politics. Understandable from an US point of view, who of course do care more about its position in the world rather than the people who have to suffer from it, but please don't tell me overthrowing Saddam was just a "humanitarian act" or similar bullshit.

He broke the rules, that's all. Same as Noriega, btw.

Re:Make him run the Marathon

[Anonymous Coward]

No whey!

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

Re:Make him run the Marathon

[meglon]

Decent people think overthrowing a democratically elected, pro-west government, installing a ruthless dictator and training his hit squads to murder his opponents purely because he's easier to control than a freely elected government is NOT a good thing. Too bad the US did exactly that back in 1953. How were those mental fucking midgets to know that it would turn the country against the US, who they'd then end up kicking the hell out so they could establish a religious theocracy that views westerners as evil, and fund what we in the west consider terrorist groups. I mean hell, that would have taken all of a couple brain cells to have that amount of foresight.

Then again, if we empower some other ruthless dictator who hates the new religious theocracy that kicked our asses out after we fucked over their country, we can have him fight a proxy war. Too bad if he's a ruthless dictator killing people (just like the first one we empowered), he's our dictator.. again. Oh wait, he decides he doesn't need us anymore. Now you say we have to go kick his ass out, and we do it because we're "good" people.

Bull fucking shit.

Here's a clue, Rudy. They don't hate us because of our freedoms, they hate us because we've fucked them over every fucking chance we've gotten, and we're generally big fucking pricks. You want to blame someone.. blame the stupid motherfuckers who put those fucking dictators into power in the first place. Oh yeh, that's us in the US, isn't it.

...and now you want a pat on the back for removing the second dictator we empowered. There's not enough derogatory obscenities to adequately qualify what should be the response to that.

Re:Make him run the Marathon

[professionalfurryele]

While I agree with your sentiment I have a slightly different take. As you suggest there really isn't 'paying each other back' in international relations, but the US is a good ally to have, with capable armed forces and I will acknowledge that it is only because of US support that Western Europe did not end up if not occupied by the Soviets then certainly strongly within the Soviet sphere of influence. For that I am thankful to the US and the citizens who paid to keep us safe.
That said US foreign policy is generally speaking a disaster, and not just under Bush. Not because it is too interventionist, I don't subscribe to the Berkely school of 'everything the US ever does abroad is always wrong'. It is a disaster because they pretend to be engaged in realpolitik when they really aren't, or at least are doing it very wrong. Realpolitik in the US seems to mean propping us corporate interests and right wing governments at the expense of democracy and social freedoms. Every once in a while this works (South Korea for instance) because reasonable economic conditions result in an expanding middle class who then demand democracy and social freedoms. But usually what you get is some asshole dictator whose corrupt government squanders any and all gains from having economic freedom. At the same time the US gets the reputation of propping up yet another dictator or of trying to overthrow a nominal democracy.
Venezuela is a good example of the failures of this pollice. Chavez was an idiot and an arsehole. If the US hadn't made him seem under siege he would have been out of office by now. His policies were stupid and Venezuela, while not exactly a paragon of democracy, was democratic enough that it almost certainly would have replaced him. But the US had to strengthen his hand by supporting a coup that was never going to work.
Now this is not to say your point about Europe basically fucking up the entire world isn't a fair cop. Heck I'm British, the TV new could basically be renamed 'a list of places Britain fucked up in some way' and it wouldn't be misleading. And if it wasn't us it was the Belgians or the French or the Spanish or in a few cases the Germans. But while this is a fair cop the scale at which Europe is fucking up right now is generally speaking smaller, partly because we just don't have the resources to fuck up on a grand scale any more.
That said it isn't always easy, and sometimes people are going to accuse you of fucking up even when you do the right thing. Take Libya for instance. The US was instrumental in giving Libya a chance for freedom. In my opinion the US did the right thing there. They prevented what would have been termed 'the rape of Bengahzi' for a start. Even if we end up with a Jihadi state or some fascist dictator I still think the US did the right thing because international politics isn't easy. Same with the early stages of Vietnam before it became obvious the government in the South wasn't going to get it's act together and that the North would win.
When the US fights for economic and social freedom it is a force for good in the world, and it is doing the right thing, even if it doesn't succeed. The problem is that often the US isn't fighting for these things, especially when the CIA is involved. Often the US is fighting not for justice, freedom and democracy, but for corporate interests or out of fear of the latest bogeyman.
Basically what I'm saying is the US need to have more confidence in its ideals.

Woot!

[Anonymous Coward]

Awesome! So glad that someone posted the live Boston police scanner stream. The scanner was VERY much ahead of any live news.

Not the best escape vehicle

[Anonymous Coward]

A parked boat is probably not the best way to escape Boston and evade the police

Re:Not the best escape vehicle

[Anonymous Coward]

Have you seen Boston traffic? It would hardly make a difference.

Bravo to catching him alive

[hsmith]

The "lockdown" of Boston is a bit disturbing. But, rest assured the LAPD would have burned the boat to the ground. Boston PD seems to be a bit more professional and restrained.

Re:Bravo to catching him alive

[thestudio_bob]

...But, rest assured the LAPD would have burned the boat to the ground.

After shooting up the neighborhood, killing some random families dog, busting in on the wrong house and bitch slapping a mother while her child watches, accidentally setting fire to the house and reniggin on the reward.

Um... "suspect"

[Anonymous Coward]

Let's remember, folks, that until we see actual evidence and he's tried, that he's a *suspect.* I'm all for the consequences if he is proven to be the perpetrator, but let's not all jump on the finger-pointing-based-conviction bandwagon.

Re:Um... "suspect"

[Therefore I am]

Guilty or not, there is plenty of "threat" in all this for Congress to double the budget of the Department of Homeland Security...

Re:Um... "suspect"

[Jah-Wren Ryel]

Let's remember, folks, that until we see actual evidence and he's tried, that he's a *suspect.*

There will be all kinds of people claiming that the cops should have shot him, that he doesn't deserve any rights - what about the victim's rights, etc.

The thing is, a trial by jury isn't really about the rights of the accused - it is about OUR right to live in a society under the rule of law rather than the rule of man. Killing this guy or even railroading him with an unfair trial won't bring back any of the dead or heal any of the wounded. But it will undermine our status as a free and just society.

Re:Um... "suspect"

[Anonymous Coward]

Then you're a psychopath.

Re:Um... "suspect"

[hey!]

Not here in Massachusetts. He will be taken to a world-class hospital and his wounds treated. Once he is well, he will await trial in a comfortable jail, with access to his lawyer so he can prepare his defense. If he can't afford a lawyer we'll hire one for him. In such a high profile case, he may even get a top drawer lawyer working pro-bono to ensure his defense doesn't get steamrollered by public opinion. If he chooses to plead not guilty he will have the fairest trial we can possibly contrive, and the burden of proof will be on the prosecutor. If the prosecutor proves he is guilty, and he escapes the Federal death penalty (we don't have a state death penalty), he will be housed for the rest of his life in a correctional facility that is humanely operated to the maximum extent consistent with ensuring public safety.

And I'm proud that's we do things. It's civilized. Some people may kill, maim or hurt people because they're feeling angry, but we as a people don't do things like that. That's what makes us better than they are.

We got the job done, there's no reason to spike the ball. In fact there's plenty reason *not* to. We give the state power to kill people, to inflict pain, to deprive them of their freedom, but those powers ought to be limited to their proper application by strict rules. They should not be used at the whim of an individual government official or group of officials.

Had Tsarnaev continued resisting arrest and got himself shot, I'd shake the hand of the officer who shot him. But now that he's given up, I'd call for the prosecution of any official who uses excessive force on him.

Re:Um... "suspect"

[Seumas]

And our government and government agencies never manufacture, mislead, or cover-up. Nope. No reason to worry about that, either.

If this guy is guilty, then to hell with him. I'm just not willing to be ignorant of the vileness of our government nor give up the fundamental principals for which we're supposedly fighting so hard to maintain, just for some sort of masturbatory post-crises catharsis.

Re:Um... "suspect"

[hey!]

Actually I share your concern with Supermax prisons. I think for some prisoners they're necessary for the protection of the public and the people who guard them, but I get the nagging feeling that some places use detention in Supermax as a kind of unconstitutionally enhanced punishment.

If Tsarnaev's sent to the kind of facility you're talking about, it'll be the federal facility in Florence Colorado -- which is an antiseptic hell-hole.

I didn't think Massachusetts had its own facility that meets Supermax security standards, but it turns out I was wrong. There's Souza-Baranowski in Shirley Mass, which some have called the most technologically advanced prison in the world. I kid you not, it runs entirely on renewable energy sources. Go ahead and laugh at liberal Massachusetts, because it *is* funny that our version of Devil's Island is solar powered.

According to the Mass DOC, Souza-Baranowski "offers a full range of educational, vocational and substance abuse programming," which sets it apart from the kind of Supermax prisons you're talking about, where prisoners rot away in solitary confinement.

Re:Um... "suspect"

[argStyopa]

He's a 'suspect' in the Marathon bombing, but AFAIK he's pretty much red-handed involved in the killing of one cop and the shooting of another, as well as lobbing pipebombs at those trying to arrest him.

So yeah, guilty now. Maybe more guilty later.

Re:Um... "suspect"

[Sun]

How about this, instead?

Abstract: In the 1996 Olympic games bombing the FBI was quick to release information about a "person of interest", which several reputable news sources were quick to publish. Not only was he not the bomber, he was the one who found the bomb and helped evacuate the building. It took two years to clear his name, and an apology has never been issued. The man carried the punishment of doing a good deed to his last day.

Small tidbit

[sshir]

CBS reported that few years back Russians warned FBI about older brother being radicalized. So FBI asked him, he said "nope", they said "ok" and let him go. And they totally forgot about it - he wasn't on the list of suspects...

That's "cooperation" alright...

Re:Small tidbit

[jamesh]

CBS reported that few years back Russians warned FBI about older brother being radicalized. So FBI asked him, he said "nope", they said "ok" and let him go. And they totally forgot about it - he wasn't on the list of suspects... That's "cooperation" alright...

Maybe you would have been happier about 60 years ago in a time when they could lock you away because your neighbor said you might be a communist. The world was a much safer place back then with all those commies being locked away without a trial.

Re:Good

[Anonymous Coward]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on the actual information we have (as given by the news media to date), this "monster" may be involved to the degree of anywhere between "mastermind of terrorist bombing operation, detonated the bombs, shot various innocent people in the process" to "forced by actual terrorist brother to hang around him for the time period in question".

I'd like a little more detail (that is, any) as to specific charges and evidence before making such a characterization.

Re:Oh good.

[Anonymous Coward]

Perhaps not innocent, that doesn't mean he is the right guy.

Proper trials are not only there to make sure that innocent people doesn't get punished. If a rapist gets convicted of murder that means that the murderer goes free.
"Beyond reasonable doubt" isn't only there to protect innocents, it also makes sure that cases doesn't get closed until we know that we've got the right guy.

Re: Oh good.

[Anonymous Coward]

Han Solo of course.

Re:Glad to hear it.

[SternisheFan]

He'd called his uncle after the bombings and asked for his forgiveness. It's said he idolized his older brother, who family members called the bad one. Yes, now we will be able to know all of the true motives they had for commiting this carnage. We won't like or agree with the answers he gives, but they will be answers, better than guessing at the 'why' of this horrid act.

Re:Oh good.

[RabidReindeer]

Unfortunately for your argument this darkskin person they sanctioned in fact had several bombs in their vehicle which they threw at police vehicles.

A lie can run round the world before the truth can get its boots on. Unfortunately, for your argument.

The "darkskin", as you like to put it - the one whose picture appeared in Rupert Murdoch's newspaper - is the innocent one. People rushed to judgement.

The guys who were throwing bombs and firing off guns right and left were pasty-pale people.

Re:Caught because someone noticed ...

[Brucelet]

So thank a private business for the initial video of the suspects, and thank an "ordinary" citizen for the observation that led to the second suspect's capture.

Of course, also thank the FBI for identifying the suspects (rather than the misidentification by private citizens and some news organizations), and all the law enforcement officers putting their lives on the line today.

Re:Venting

[Opportunist]

Oh effin' great, typical American solution, not caring a bit about pollution!

Re:Fuck Islam

[Jah-Wren Ryel]

There is literally not a single part of Christianity that is violent.

Jesus beat the shit out of the moneychangers in the temple.

But really, you've fallen victim to the "no true scotsman" fallacy. Anyone who commits violence in the name of christianity isn't a christian. In my experience, the people who are willing to apply that standard to christianity aren't willing to apply that standard to any other religions.

Re:just checking in

[Spykk]

What is Slashdot's stance on overreacting to what is obviously a joke?

Re:just checking in

[AcidPenguin9873]

This person is a suspect for the marathon bombings, but was a clear and present danger to the public and to the police during the pursuit, and the police would have been justified in using violence against him. Of course they didn't want to kill him, because they want to question him. But he did not deserve a no-violence arrest because of his actions during the arrest.

Re:Venting

[Black Parrot]

So, would you prefer your change in Dollars, or (non-German) Euros?

Bitcoin!