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Police Capture Second Marathon Bombing Suspect in Watertown, Mass.
Police have captured believed Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was "pinned down" in a boat stored behind a house in Watertown, Massachusetts. You can listen to the live police feed here.
Over and over again.
So the Sox can still get the game in, right?
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Awesome! So glad that someone posted the live Boston police scanner stream. The scanner was VERY much ahead of any live news.
A parked boat is probably not the best way to escape Boston and evade the police
I read police were tracking the hijacked car through it's built-in gps, they threw flash-bang grenades into the previously searched boathouse (a woman noticed later the door was open), and the suspect surrendered, covered in blood.
Nothing "paranoid Mulsim conspiracy nut" about the father's response he is still in the denial phase that a parent would be when they learn their child has done something really, really bad.
The "lockdown" of Boston is a bit disturbing. But, rest assured the LAPD would have burned the boat to the ground. Boston PD seems to be a bit more professional and restrained.
Let's remember, folks, that until we see actual evidence and he's tried, that he's a *suspect.* I'm all for the consequences if he is proven to be the perpetrator, but let's not all jump on the finger-pointing-based-conviction bandwagon.
Yeah - cause shooting at cops always proves how innocent you are.
CBS reported that few years back Russians warned FBI about older brother being radicalized. So FBI asked him, he said "nope", they said "ok" and let him go. And they totally forgot about it - he wasn't on the list of suspects...
That's "cooperation" alright...
Caught because someone noticed something strange in the backyard and called it in.
Like many other problems, ordinary folks pitching in to help in an appropriate way can sure help to fix things.
You're free to hide out until the verdict, and beyond. I'll trust the identification provided by the guy who was carjacked, while you explain why he would lie about the alleged confession/boast.
Gee I don't know maybe the VIDEOS OF THEM PLANTING THE BOMBS? Or maybe them SHOOTING AND THROWING EXPLOSIVES AT COPS?
Is it safe to go out now?
Of course not. 4chan might decide you're dark skinned and subject you to their full sanction - circling someone who kinda looks like you on a picture. I believe that's called "vigilantism" and we are sorely afraid of it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on the actual information we have (as given by the news media to date), this "monster" may be involved to the degree of anywhere between "mastermind of terrorist bombing operation, detonated the bombs, shot various innocent people in the process" to "forced by actual terrorist brother to hang around him for the time period in question".
I'd like a little more detail (that is, any) as to specific charges and evidence before making such a characterization.
Exactly. Shooting a cop, running, throwing bombs out windows, more shootouts, are all things that innocent people do.
Clearly, calling up the BPD and saying "hey we are the guys in the pictures and we didn't do it! lets talk!" would be crazy
I guess the DOJ is trying to put lipstick on a pig.
Perhaps not innocent, that doesn't mean he is the right guy.
Proper trials are not only there to make sure that innocent people doesn't get punished. If a rapist gets convicted of murder that means that the murderer goes free.
"Beyond reasonable doubt" isn't only there to protect innocents, it also makes sure that cases doesn't get closed until we know that we've got the right guy.
Han Solo of course.
Maybe I am not current and entirely out of line, but with all the locking-down and searching-of-houses happening: what happened to the constitutional rights re: search and seizure? Suspending them for an entire town and effectively rendering it into a war zone with suspended rights to apprehend one guy how killed two people seems a little... ah... third world?
There was a stupid picture going around facebook today that was kind of right. Only in Boston will they shut down the entire goddamned city to search for someone like this. Don't fuck with Bawfston.
He'd called his uncle after the bombings and asked for his forgiveness. It's said he idolized his older brother, who family members called the bad one. Yes, now we will be able to know all of the true motives they had for commiting this carnage. We won't like or agree with the answers he gives, but they will be answers, better than guessing at the 'why' of this horrid act.
The more successes they have with good, honest police work, the less likely the past awfulness will be repeated. Bad behavior is more often born of frustration than success.
Oh, I guess I didn't get the Slashdot memo...so torture and no due process is now okay?
Just checking: are drone strikes, domestic spying, overzealous prosecution, and all the other things we usually rant about, still bad?
Please help metamoderate.
And it still took them 4 days to find two guys. Imagine trying to solve the murder of an 18 year old gangbanger whose killer is identified as a dark skinned male from 15-25, 5'10" medium build? And nobody in the neighborhood ain't seen shit. Police work is hard.
I don't care so much about study, but I would like to know what their fucking problem was.
Usually rats flee sinking ships. This is the first time a sinking rat fled to a ship.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Fuck religion and everything that comes with it: horrific acts world-wide, subjugation of women in everywhere, and persecution of anyone who dares to speak against it.
Fixed that for you.
Unfortunately for your argument this darkskin person they sanctioned in fact had several bombs in their vehicle which they threw at police vehicles.
A lie can run round the world before the truth can get its boots on. Unfortunately, for your argument.
The "darkskin", as you like to put it - the one whose picture appeared in Rupert Murdoch's newspaper - is the innocent one. People rushed to judgement.
The guys who were throwing bombs and firing off guns right and left were pasty-pale people.
For all we know, they were commiting a crime of an unrelated nature.
My point has not changed from my original post; I am tired of this bloody spectacle. The news has been fixated on this even for the past four days, and it has done nothing but reinforce fear and paranoia within our society. While the odds are high that these men are guilty, we should not let our personal opinions interfere with our judgement or our civility. I thought a little satire in my parent post would make this point, but I guess it didn't.
So they didn't Miranda him. That just means that a court could throw out any statements that he makes. I suspect that there is enough physical evidence and cell camera footage to force a conviction.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't walk and text.
On the one hand, we must maintain the due process of law that makes this country great. On the other hand, threads like this help us vent.
Therefore, I suggest that we throw him in a food processor, and blow him out a vent.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
An image on the TV news of the boat in the backyard looks like a Google Street View image.
It's Bing. Google's camera shots didn't line up with the driveway.
Bing has also been used for the aerial views, since their photos are winter and the foliage of Google's summer view obscures part of the property details.
Agreed. Only, substitute this with all of the major religions which encourage and promote this sort of atmosphere and hatred. Christianity, Islam, etc. Don't pretend your shit doesn't stink when you're part of the problem.
We've had enough of this ignoring the Constitution lately. Why don't we try using it for a change.
Indeed. The problem is that the "War on Terror" is really a war of Christian fuck-ups against Islamic fuck-ups. Nothing good can ever come from religion if taken seriously.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
You have seen them? Where could I get a view of them? All I have seen is a few videos of some guys with backpacks running about that were presented to me by the cops, telling me "this is the guys we're looking for". About the shooting and throwing explosives at cops, again, do you have a source? All I have is cops telling me he shot at them and threw explosives.
Audi alteram partem, anyone?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Except the FBI have said he's not a suspect?
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-16/national/38574599_1_saudi-suspect-saudi-official-boston-marathon
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/294839-saudi-student-hurt-in-bombing-not-a-suspect-not-being-deported
You would have to ask the MIT security guy about that.
Oh shucks. He's dead.
> Fuck religion, period. Christianity over time has had similar consequences.
Centuries ago.
I am agnostic, but let's face reality. Muslim terrorist acts out-number all other terrorist acts about 10,000 to 1.
20,000 Muslim terrorist acts since 9/11, 250,000 casualties. Modern Christianity does not compare.
I'm going to another site. As a european Im used to american-centric viewpoints etc. And ofcourse I could understand the 9/11 post. But there were 3 people killed in one measly attack. I live in a very small country but there are more people killed in traffic each day then by the Boston attack. Every week there are much bigger terrorist attacks going on in the world. Could you please stick to nerdy stuff?
There are probably more that 3 people killed in Boston alone on a typical day in traffic. There were about 30 killed shortly after the Marathon incident in a single Bagdhad bombing. What makes this particular incident a big deal is the same thing that made 9/11 a big deal.
America is the "safe" place. For much of its history, it was the Destination of Refuge, where corruption rests lightly, wars are something that happen in Some Other Country, and terror incidents likewise. The original inhabitants might not totally agree, but all in all, in the USA you were supposed to be immune to the troubles of the more unstable parts of the world.
Incidents like this, therefore, have more effect simply because they're so unthinkable. Not only for those of us who live here, but for anyone who ever thought of the USA as a refuge, albeit a refuge full of overweight arrogant gun-toting cowboy wannabes.
In the last decade or so, we have sacrificed a lot of our traditional ideals to the God Terror. Today was a day to pay it back. To prove that we don't need to give up more freedom to be what we are supposed to be. We didn't win this fight by bringing in the armies or permanently suspending our legal processes. We did it using our domestic law enforcement resources in co-operation with our citizens.
This is what the noise is all about. We have proven that we can take injury, even though we're "supposed" to be immune to it, and that we can deal with terrorists as the criminals they are and not some sort of supernatural boogie men. Under the law.
Tomorrow we'll be back to arguing whether Windows 8 is the Second Coming of Windows Me, whether the latest solar-cell breakthrough is anything that will mean anything before the sun goes cold and even the latest legal developments with Google in Europe. But while the web is international, slashdot isn't, and today is a pretty big day for the USA. So the best advice I can give you is that if you don't want to hear about it, skip to the next topic. Or another site. But finding a place infested by non-US nerds isn't that easy.
There is literally not a single part of Christianity that is violent.
Well, what about that Jew nailed to a stick that Christians just love to dwell on? That entire religion is pretty damn morbid... their bible brimming with fucked up shit, just waiting for someone with mental problems to take in such a way that they do something vile. It's a fucking morbid fairy tale meant to control primitive people.
Yeah, keeping people of the street due to a massive manhunt. Totalitarian! Black Helicopters! Tyranny! Fascists! Walrus! Broccoli! God help us all!!!!
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
There is literally not a single part of Christianity that is violent.
Jesus beat the shit out of the moneychangers in the temple.
But really, you've fallen victim to the "no true scotsman" fallacy. Anyone who commits violence in the name of christianity isn't a christian. In my experience, the people who are willing to apply that standard to christianity aren't willing to apply that standard to any other religions.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
In my experience, the people who are willing to apply that standard to christianity aren't willing to apply that standard to any other religions.
I totally would, if Muslims would come out and criticize Islamic terrorism, but most Muslims seem to clam up instead. And at times I have overheard them secretly cheering (I used to work with Muslims that made statements like this when they thought nobody was listening). Christians are quick to criticize "Christian" lunatics like WBC.
You're cherry picking the home team, and generalizing the away team. I know a lot of "Christians" that think abortion clinic bombings are justified because the victims are legal murderers.
WBC isn't the only lunatic group as viewed from the outside.
a handful of selfish greedy people are no match for millions of selfish, greedy people -u4ya
I'm tempted to say "with any luck, she'll drive him to suicide, too", but that's not what I'd really want. What I want is a fair trial. Yes, what he (allegedly, so far we don't have a conviction yet) did was a horrible crime, but I don't just want to see someone hang for it, I want the RIGHT person to hang for it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And all without having troops occupy Massachusetts, send armed UAVs in to take out targets in Boston and engage in a little 9 year occupation of Maine on the side.
We are concerned about intelligence indicating New Hampshire possesses nuclear technology, in spite of their continued claims tha it is for peaceful uses only.
Have gnu, will travel.
I totally would, if Muslims would come out and criticize Islamic terrorism, but most Muslims seem to clam up instead.
(a) Now you've moved the goal posts from the religion to individuals who profess to follow the religion.
You are balls-deep in the no true scotsman fallacy with that.
(b) Is thousands of prominent muslims good enough for you?
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
I would have rather USA took over than russia, even if for simple reasons like russian entertainment and fun is utterly crap. Why did they want so much control, god damn nut cases! too much brain damage from vodkas.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Psychopaths like the Tsarnaev brothers, the Columbine killers, the 9/11 terrorists, the Koch brothers, etc. are either total predators like Tamerlan or Eric, with a bizarre interest in family hierarchy, a fascination with determining who is and isn't related to you, a desire for stirring religious hatred, and no altruism, empathy, or moral center to be found; they can also have only one allele like Dzhohar ("Johar", whatever), who was maybe an asshole with a superiority complex, but was also quiet about it. He was easygoing enough to form relationships with individuals in both allelic subpopulations, normal and psycho. They'll hang out with you and your other unsuspecting friends, smoke weed with you once a week just like normal Americans, etc. etc., but they'll also carry pressure cookers full of nails into dense crowds of strangers for you if they feel strongly related to you somehow.
The uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, looks like he's carrying normal alleles at this locus. He announced to a mob of reporters that he thought his older nephew was up to no good. He said that his nephew Jahar was a loser for doing what he did, announced he should turn himself in, and ask for forgiveness from the wider population of Boston. He said the brothers "brought shame on their family and upon the entire Chechen ethnicity." It might run in his family, but I don't think the uncle is as interested in seeing people run into trouble just for not being related to him.
Hopefully we decide not to waste another decade. This is not the time to go off fuming about how everyone in Chechnya is carrying this psychotic gene. Everybody there would be dead. Comfort with inhibiting the reproduction of people unrelated to you runs in families all around the world. It occurs in legislatures everywhere. It preserves itself by making you cause problems for people who don't have it. But it has to self-regulate in any wider human population, Chechnya or Boston or wherever, or it goes extinct along with the rest of the genome in the region.
Hopefully we won't see this as an excuse to waste another decade with more political 9/11-style bullshit against one particular religion or another. This was in the end a story of two bungling religious-minded psychotics, with a "mastermind", a "pushover with no conscience", and a shared comfort with mass-murdering a dense unrelated-looking crowd in a city far from home.