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Japanese Police Urge ISPs To Block Tor

hypnosec writes "Authorities in Japan are presumably worried about their inability to tackle cybercrime and, in a bid to stem one of the sources of anonymous traffic, the National Police Agency (NPA) is asking ISPs to block Tor. The recommendation comes from the special panel formed by the NPA after a hacker going by the name Demon Killer was found to regularly use Tor to anonymize his online activities, like posting of death threats on public message boards."

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  1. Sure, go ahead. by juliohm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If only that was enough to stop illegal activities....

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    1. Re:Sure, go ahead. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Informative

      TOR is not the problem... Well, not the problem the Japanese police claim.

      It IS a problem for the corporate/government control of information. It probably bothers TEPCO greatly, that this is out there - and damned near impossible to filter.

      Cybercrime. The great Emmanuel Goldstein, needed to keep in place, proles and party members alike.

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    2. Re:Sure, go ahead. by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Informative

      Two problems here.

      (1) The article has nothing to do with Fukushima or TEPCO. It's about someone who sent anonymous death threats.

      (2) Sherman and Mangano, the authors of the paper you linked to an article about, are kooks. Just google on their names together, and you'll find plenty of info discrediting their claims, e.g.: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2011/12/20/researchers-trumpet-another-flawed-fukushima-death-study/

      (3) The Open Journal of Pediatrics appears to be one of the many open-access journals these days that have no standards for publication. See http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/for-scientists-an-exploding-world-of-pseudo-academia.html for more about these journals. I support the concept of open-access journals, but many of them are junk journals.

      (4) Sherman and Mangano's junk science didn't get blocked by evil governments or evil corporations. They put it on the internet and nobody interfered with them.

    3. Re:Sure, go ahead. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just as an informative point, the headline on the TEPCO link is a gross mis-statement of the actual facts.

      One third of US born west coast babies are NOT suffering from hyperthyroidism.

      What happened is the RATE of hyperthyroidism, which is quite low, increased by 28% for a couple of months, and to a level 16% higher than normal for a period of 9 months.

      That corresponds to about 40 cases in 600,000 births. Still a problem but about 1/5,000th of what the headline claims.

    4. Re:Sure, go ahead. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (1) The article has nothing to do with Fukushima or TEPCO. It's about someone who sent anonymous death threats.

      Death threats are already illegal.

      So no, it's not "about death threats". Someone can write a death threat on a piece of paper and send it in the mail, but paper, pen and mail are all still legal.

      (4) Sherman and Mangano's junk science didn't get blocked by evil governments or evil corporations. They put it on the internet and nobody interfered with them.

      Still has nothing to do with Tor.

      Blocking Tor is not going to stop death threats, nor will it stop junk science. Blocking Tor is about controlling the free flow of private information. Period.

      Yes, this is about protecting the elites. Blocking Tor is certainly not about keeping us safe, because blacking Tor does nothing to make any of us safer from threats that only exist because of Tor.

      Sometimes, figuring out right and wrong are really just about asking yourself: "Who benefits?"

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  2. Freedom is a two edged sword... by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yep... We want all people to be free. Unless we don't like them, then we have to know who they are. But if someone else we don't like does not like them, then THEY NEED TO BE FREE! Being a part of the ruling class would be so much easier if it were not for all these darned peasants...

    1. Re:Freedom is a two edged sword... by naff89 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe that's why single-edged swords are more popular in Japan.

  3. Re:Japan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really? Having lived here for over a decade, you could have fooled me. It's not much different to any other country, and the authorities are arguably less intrusive in many areas than they are in the U.S.

    But let's be honest, throwing around this kind of ridiculous bullshit hyperbole has always been a popular sport for self-appointed internet experts who have no fucking idea or experience of what they're talking about.

  4. Re:Japan by flayzernax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The funny thing is in most tyrannies people can say the same thing. You don't know what you've lost until you lose it or have it used against you or become one of the oppressed.

    This is the hardest concept to get across to people who say "this is no big deal" "I never was stopped from watching my official youtube video". Thats right you never were. But when you are because you happen to be one of those "other people" you read about.

    When your looking for a reliable source of journalism and that source gets shut down, bought out, shoved 25 pages back on google and replaced with shit. When you have to spend 20 hours researching something instead of 5 minutes to find real sources citing real incidents that matter. You will understand. Information is becoming MUCH harder to get without peeling through layers of government and corporate propaganda and advertisement. The next step is to make it even harder to go outside of regular plain web google.

    The saddest things is TOR is used for a lot of crap and very little good stuff, there still is better information outside of tor pertaining to real world events. So tor gets little love from the people that SHOULD be supporting it and all the attention of the people that hate it.

    Don't be all excited about loosing it before you had a chance to need it.

  5. a freedom that's also a problem by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the 18th century, privacy was a pretty straightforward thing. That's why, in the 18th-century US, it was straightforward to write the 4th amendment. As a result, the government can't open my snail mail without a warrant, and can't come into my house and search it without a warrant.

    The technological reality is very different in the 21st century. I support individuals' rights to use strong crypto and to control their own computer hardware and software. But it's undeniable that these rights carry collateral damage.

    In 2012, the University of Pittsburgh was basically shut down for several months by a series of 145 bomb threats that were sent by email, anonymized via Mixmaster. This is not a good outcome.

    If someone is using Tor to post death threats anonymously, that's not a good outcome.

    Despite these bad outcomes, I still support the individual freedoms that let them happen. But that doesn't mean that it's not a real problem. It's very much like gun violence in the US. I support the 2nd amendement, but I recognize that that comes at a cost.

    1. Re:a freedom that's also a problem by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > But it's undeniable that these rights carry collateral damage.

      In the 17th century, bad people could hide stolen stuff in houses, hide in houses, and send crime-oriented information by snail mail.

      The reason to forbid the government from peeking has nothing to do with legitimate crimes, nor misusing government power investigating legitimate crimes.

      The reason is to stop the slippery slope before it begins, when the government officials end up abusing power to maintain their power.

      That's why a lot of this Patriot Act stuff is disturbing -- it lacks even cursory oversight in hindsight. It could indeed be being misused to spy on political opponents. How would you know? You wouldn't, and that is the problem.

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  6. Re:Japan by Alex+Belits · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The funny thing is in most tyrannies people can say the same thing. You don't know what you've lost until you lose it or have it used against you or become one of the oppressed.

    It's the same in all countries. There are no "tyrannies" and "free countries", and never were. For most of the world/history (except some egregious things like Nazi and Somalia) it's just propaganda you grew up with vs. propaganda someone else grew up with. You just believe that whatever your own government considers unacceptable is something that no one would ever want to do.

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  7. Re:Japan by yet+another+SanTiago · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, the referred wikipedia article says a different story:

    In murder, U.S. police arrested 19,000 people for 26,000 murders, in which 75% were prosecuted and courts convicted 12,000 people. In Japan, 1,800 people were arrested for 1,300 murders, but prosecutors tried only 43%. Had the allegation that Japanese prosecutors use weak evidence mostly based on (forced) confessions to achieve convictions been true, the larger proportion of arrests would have resulted in prosecutions and eventual conviction. But the opposite is true. In fact, the data indicates that Japanese prosecutors bring charges only when the evidence is overwhelming and likelihood of conviction is near absolute, which gives a greater incentive for the accused to confess and aim for a lighter sentence, which, in turn, results in a high rate for confession.

  8. Re:Japan, a new Iran ? by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, so is the US, UK and every other country.

    Not US, nor UK, nor most other countries, TOR are not officially blocked, at the ISP level

    At least, not yet

    Maybe not blocked, but people are being arrested or sued for what others do via their exit node. "Yeah, we know you didn't do it, but it came from your house. Guilty."