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Recovering Data From Broken Hard Drives and SSDs (Video)

Russell Chozick owns a small company in Austin. TX, called Flashback Data that recovers data from messed-up hard drives. And SSDs and Flash memory, too. How badly damaged does a drive have to be to defeat Russell and his crew? Apparently, smashed to bits. Not long aqo we did a video about a company that destroys data on hard drives, and we've had at least one Ask Slashdot where the question was, "What's the Best Way To Destroy Hard Drives?" In today's video, Russell is talking about the opposite of destruction -- except that he destroys data upon request, too. Obviously, checking the wrong box on a customer order form could cause big problems at Flashback Data, couldn't it? Let's hope they never do that -- and let's hope we all back up all of our data so we never need to use a data recovery service. You do back up all your data, don't you?

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  1. Slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

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  2. BS Summary by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do one overwrite with zeros for magnetic media. They cannot recover that. Open the drive, take out the platters, bend or break them, they cannot recover that. SSDs are more tricky, but one overwrite with random data assures that no more than the spare capacity can be recovered.

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    1. Re:BS Summary by TWX · · Score: 2

      Just remove the casing and put the SSD board/chips into a microwave... If anything, physical destruction of an SSD should be even easier... Just pop the chips off the board with a flat knife and cut them into pieces with aviation snips...

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    2. Re:BS Summary by guttentag · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do one overwrite with zeros for magnetic media.

      I just send all my broken storage media to the Nixon Presidential Library, labelled "18 1/2 minutes" in a box with a return address for "Flasback Data Recovery Specialists: We Recover Anything, Confidentiality Guaranteed. Austin, TX." They replace all the 1s and 0s with pure silence. Nothing beats that.

    3. Re:BS Summary by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      snips? and here i was thinking thermite was the answer to all data destruction needs. i havealso thought about building a emp device i have the designs for one somewhere, that should work to.

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    4. Re:BS Summary by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      This should work for both spinning disks and SSD. of course you can't make an aluminum ingot from an SSD.

    5. Re:BS Summary by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thermite, like duct tape, is the solution to damn near everything.

      Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some men in black suits and dark glasses at my door, and I think they want to talk to me....

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    6. Re:BS Summary by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      I used to use 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1' on every laptop that got decommissioned from the network and donated or sold.
      It's not rocket surgery.

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    7. Re:BS Summary by blueg3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      you can recover 1 overwrite actually....

      You cannot. Or rather:
      * Nobody has ever demonstrated success of recovering data from a modern hard drive (anything more recent than MFM) that has been overwritten even one time.
      * The person who wrote the paper on recovering data from drives after erasure, Gutmann, has said there is no reason to believe that it is possible with modern drives.
      * Other people have a quite sound theoretical arguments that it is impossible. (That is, there is a hysteresis effect, but it is so small compared to noise that the statistical probability of getting correct data instead of random data is much, much too small to be of any practical use even in a best-case scenario.)

      This is a myth in computer forensics and security that needs to die.

    8. Re:BS Summary by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      No, you cannot.

      Show me any data recovery company that says they can and I will show you a liar.

      People have many times put up money to see this done and no one has ever demonstrated it.

    9. Re:BS Summary by tibit · · Score: 1

      The omnipresent and omnipotent "government" also has captive fairies that they let foreign dignitaries have some fun with, from time to time. Yeah, sure.

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    10. Re:BS Summary by tibit · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's incorrect. Current drives store information in individual (as in single) magnetic domains. A magnetic force microscope is of no help there. Once you flip a domain, you've flipped it. There's no history, no layers, nada. You're referring to information that was current 20 years ago.

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    11. Re:BS Summary by Lord+Crc · · Score: 4, Informative

      That paper is from 1996. The updated epilogue contains this quote:

      Any modern drive will most likely be a hopeless task, what with ultra-high densities and use of perpendicular recording I don't see how MFM would even get a usable image [...]

    12. Re:BS Summary by lgw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Let me pile on with the "no you cannot". Once this was true, back in the days of MFM drives, because there was lots of redundant magnetic media on that drive. But the need to squeeze out every last bit of data density on drives has changed that - any place on the media where leftover traces of previous writes could be found is a place where more bits could be fit on the platter. Still, with older IDE drives you might have wanted to do one pass of random data instead of 0s, if you were worried about an opponent with an electron microscope (I've actually seen bits on tape in an electron microscope image - very cool).

      GMR drives took that trend even farther, by using the Z-axis to help store each bit, not just the surface of the platter. With modern drives the media is completely used to store current data.

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    13. Re:BS Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Excellent reference - to a paper written in 1996, and which has a modern disclaimer right in the header.

      The relevance to a modern hard drive is difficult to imagine. Even the paper you linked says "Any modern drive will most likely be a hopeless task". GP is correct.

    14. Re:BS Summary by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're close. Overwriting media with zeros almost entirely erases everything - there was a time when it was possible for someone with a highly specialised magnetic probe to pick up leftover traces from the space between the tracks, but modern drives have the tracks far too close for that. There is just one place data may survive: Remapped sectors. The drive logic does detect if a sector is going to fail or already failed, and if so will remap it to a spare area, just as SSDs do. The old data gets left behind in the now-disused space.

      But all that'll save is the odd little fragment here and there, either 512 bytes or 16k depending on the drive. An attacker would need a lot of luck to find something good in there.

    15. Re:BS Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's the percentage of data that can be recovered with this method? More importantly, does your average police department cybercrime lab or the FBI have access to such technology?

    16. Re:BS Summary by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Thermite, like duct tape, is the solution to damn near everything.

      So, if "Perl is the duct tape of the Internet", what is X and Y in "X is the thermite of Y"?

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    17. Re:BS Summary by xtracto · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nice try NSA guy.

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    18. Re:BS Summary by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Using quantum detection for variations in the strength of the magnetic field (government level equipment) can detect multiple layers."

      This sounds like total bullshit to me. We already have to use heavy error-correcting codes on pretty much all modern media to read even the last thing you wrote on them. What makes you think that whatever residual magnetism remains after a mere zeroing (although I'd opt for /dev/urandom instead) is sufficient to restore whatever had been written on it before that?

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    19. Re:BS Summary by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      "You're close. Overwriting media with zeros almost entirely erases everything - there was a time when it was possible for someone with a highly specialised magnetic probe to pick up leftover traces from the space between the tracks, but modern drives have the tracks far too close for that"

      I don't think that this is merely about the tracks being too close to each other. One has to keep in mind that today, "overwriting a sector with zeros" basically means "overwriting one existing continuous magnetic trace on the media with a trace of semi-randomly alternating magnetized domains that happens to be related to the semi-random alternating magnetization changes of the existing trace by means of a fractional (analog) offset that continuously drifts along the trace)". That's one hell of a problem for anyone trying to recover anything. Although the partial overlap of signals, of course, muddles things for the would-be recoverer even further.

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    20. Re:BS Summary by LordLimecat · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That doesnt mean it cant be done.

      This is like saying "i have a new encryption method, and noone has yet demonstrated that they can break it". That does not mean that it is secure, or a that a simple analysis of the method would not display glaring weaknesses; someone could very well be exploiting it and simply keeping it on the DL.

      It is hypothetically possible to recover from a single overwrite, because it is a fact that "magnetic domain remnants" are left after an overwrite. Whether or not we have the technology / money / whatever to recover it is irrelevant to the fact that there is still data there to be recovered, and its foolish to pretend otherwise.

      Meanwhile, it IS known that if you raise the platters to the curie temperature or degauss the drives, you cannot recover any data.

    21. Re:BS Summary by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      You're referring to information that was current 20 years ago.

      20 years has not changed the fact that magnetic domains are analog, not digital. "Once you flip it, you've flipped it" isnt a concept that really exists in the analog world until your drive's firmware converts the analog reading to a digital 0.

    22. Re:BS Summary by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      But the need to squeeze out every last bit of data density on drives has changed that - any place on the media where leftover traces of previous writes could be found is a place where more bits could be fit on the platter

      That has nothing to do with the theory of how the data could be recovered. The theory was that flipping a 1 to a 0 is really like applying a "0" magnetic field to a bit that is currently "0.961235", and you end up with "0.015132". Hypothetically, maybe, some could analyze that "0.015132" and determine that it was previously a "0.961235", and reconstruct the data that way.

      Its never been demonstrated, or proven, or disproven; conventional wisdom is that if possible it is quite difficult.

    23. Re:BS Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do one overwrite with zeros for magnetic media. They cannot recover that

      For those that don't believe it:

      Assume, for argument's sake, that one could recover one previous generation of data written to magnetic media after an single overwrite. That means a nominal 1TB drive could be used to store 2TB of data. The fact that no hard drive manufacturer has been able to take advantage of any hysteresis effect to increase their storage densities is a strong indication that it's not possible.

      http://xkcd.com/808/

    24. Re:BS Summary by LordLimecat · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That statement =/= "impossible", but rather "not feasible".

      In other words, you probably dont want to rely on it as secure destruction if the information will be sensitive years from now, because new technology could change "not feasible" to "doable".

    25. Re: BS Summary by jameshofo · · Score: 1

      Blast! My porn icons arent safe anywhere!

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    26. Re:BS Summary by darkfeline · · Score: 1

      Zero percent, GP is speaking out of his nether orifice. Strictly speaking, it is theoretically possible to do what GP is suggesting, in the same way it is theoretically possible for a well-placed sneeze to cause a chain reaction culminating in the obliteration of the universe. In other words, possible in the strictestly sense of the word, but impossible in every other sense.

    27. Re:BS Summary by sribe · · Score: 1

      If you want to make data non-recoverable from a HD, remove the platters, put them on a drill press and turn them into Swiss cheese with the biggest bit the drill will hold.

      Large chunks of data (between the holes) will still be recoverable.

    28. Re:BS Summary by sribe · · Score: 1

      20 years has not changed the fact that magnetic domains are analog, not digital. "Once you flip it, you've flipped it" isnt a concept that really exists in the analog world until your drive's firmware converts the analog reading to a digital 0.

      Magnetic domains do not partially flip. They do go "all or nothing", and there is no "history" of the prior orientation.

    29. Re:BS Summary by sribe · · Score: 1

      That has nothing to do with the theory of how the data could be recovered. The theory was that flipping a 1 to a 0 is really like applying a "0" magnetic field to a bit that is currently "0.961235", and you end up with "0.015132". Hypothetically, maybe, some could analyze that "0.015132" and determine that it was previously a "0.961235", and reconstruct the data that way.

      On the contrary, it has everything to do with it. The theory you mention had to do with the fact that bits were much larger, occupying many domains, and the new write might not flip every domain, thus leaving behind the trace of the prior value. When a bit is a single domain, there is no trace of the prior value.

    30. Re:BS Summary by sribe · · Score: 1

      In reality however, overwriting magnetic storage with 0s doesn't actually remove the data*.

      Yes, it does. 20 years ago it did not, but now it does.

    31. Re:BS Summary by sribe · · Score: 1

      It is hypothetically possible to recover from a single overwrite, because it is a fact that "magnetic domain remnants" are left after an overwrite.

      Incorrect, plain and simple--though it was true 20 years ago. Bits no longer occupy a wide swath of domains only partially set to the current orientation.

    32. Re:BS Summary by tibit · · Score: 1

      The analog signal is what you get from a magnetoresistive head, but that head is still reading one domain at a time. The state of one domain is binary, all-or-nothing. There's nothing analog about domains. To get "analog", you need thousands of domains -- their average state is what the head of a tape audio recorder is reproducing. The averaging can be any combination of spatial and temporal, so without doing any mechanical changes to a hard drive you could still write to it like you did in a tape recorder -- you'd be getting temporal average, as hundreds of thousands of domains pass under the head every millisecond. The smaller the head, the less domains affect the output at any one time, eventually there's just one domain you're reading from at a time. Once you are there, you can tweak the magnetic coating to shrink the domains, tracking any gains there with a commensuratively shrinking head.

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    33. Re:BS Summary by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      One small hole and a few CCs of ferric chloride. Shaken, not stirred...

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    34. Re:BS Summary by socceroos · · Score: 1

      sources please?

    35. Re:BS Summary by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      Thermite, like duct tape, is the solution to damn near everything.

      Why did I spend all my mod points before finding this post? (Though it was already +5)

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    36. Re:BS Summary by sribe · · Score: 1

      sources please?

      1) freshman physics; 2) the definition of "magnetic domain"--that's what it means.

    37. Re:BS Summary by socceroos · · Score: 1

      Yes, well - excuse my ignorance. I love physics, but haven't been taught it. Also, I've never heard of a magnetic domain. Thanks for the reply - might have a look into it.

    38. Re:BS Summary by lindi · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are selling 2 TB drives as 1 TB drives that keep a history of old data and then profit from the recovery services? ;)

    39. Re:BS Summary by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Using quantum detection for variations in the strength of the magnetic field (government level equipment) can detect multiple layers.

      What you seem to be unaware of is that, when The Government want to restore a destroyed hard drive, They simply use their Quantum Flux Capacitor Time Machine to go back in time to just before you tried to wipe it and get their Men in Black to zap you and copy the disk.

      When you return to consciousness, you have no recollection of what has happened (since they obviously reset time after they leave), so you set about overwriting the disk, or dissolving it in acid or whatever, and have no idea how they manage to produce a flawless copy of your collection of Japanese child tentacle porn as evidence against you.

      I thought this was common knowledge in the tech community after the revealing M.I.B. documentary series?

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    40. Re:BS Summary by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Nice try NSA guy.

      He is now going to disappear you with his Quantum Computer Wormhole gun.

      Try laughing when your tortured body is smeared around an antimatter blackhole in another galaxy, for eternity, like in that Star Trek..

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    41. Re:BS Summary by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      That doesnt mean it cant be done.

      Yes it does, or else people would be doing it. And, no, saying "but the NSA can do it on their planet-sized quantum computer, but I'm not allowed to talk about it" isn't sufficient excuse.

      If you say "it is possible to do X" then it is up to you (or someone) to do X.

      For something like recovering data from a hard drive, you're not talking about some weird theoretical possibility that might be testable in the future. As of now, it's either possible or it's not.

      This is irrespective of any actual technical details BTW.

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    42. Re:BS Summary by DarkXale · · Score: 1

      That said, for SSDs - would not a Secure Erase take care of even remapped sectors? Seeing as its just a blind 'flush all cells' operation.

    43. Re:BS Summary by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      That statement =/= "impossible", but rather "not feasible".

      In other words, you probably dont want to rely on it as secure destruction if the information will be sensitive years from now, because new technology could change "not feasible" to "doable".

      Yes, and aliens might teleport a vast black hole to the centre of the Earth and destroy our planet tomorrow for the lulz.

      There are some possibilities so remote that they're not worth worrying about.

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    44. Re:BS Summary by jkflying · · Score: 1

      Couldn't you account for the hysteresis effect by reading the value first, then changing the strength of the write accordingly?

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    45. Re:BS Summary by rsmith-mac · · Score: 1

      Secure Erase is even more brilliant than that. Modern SSDs (and phones) run 128bit/256bit AES encryption full-time. So when the drive needs to be Secure Erased, they simply throw away the key and generate a new one.

      As a result the data has been rendered inert in a fraction of the time it would take to actually overwrite it, and without needing to put all of the cells through a P/E cycle.

    46. Re:BS Summary by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      In what sense do you mean "account for"? Do you mean, could the drive controller overcome the hysteresis to minimize it?

      Possibly, but that's a lot more work, and it turns out not to be necessary. Note that the idea people have in their heads about drives -- that there is some little region of the drive that is magnetized one way for a one and one way for a zero and is "just one" bit -- is no longer accurate. The magnetic patterns on disk are rather complicated. (This is a major contributor to why recovering anything from the hysteresis effect just doesn't work any more.)

    47. Re:BS Summary by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      So instead of using some random erasing tool, use the ATA SECURE ERASE command. That explicitly erases all data, including sectors included in the G-list.

      If you trust the firmware and if you know your drive will support it.

      I asked Segate, as an "industry partner" for a list of their drive model numbers that implement ATA Secure Erase (for a linux tool to do better erasing). They flatly refused to disclose that information.

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    48. Re:BS Summary by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Yes it does, or else people would be doing it.

      That was the argument for Mac viruses. It couldnt be done, till technology and markets trends changed, and it started being done.

      "Cant" and "dont currently" are vastly different.

    49. Re:BS Summary by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Do one overwrite with zeros for magnetic media.

      I just send all my broken storage media to the Nixon Presidential Library, labelled "18 1/2 minutes" in a box with a return address for "Flasback Data Recovery Specialists: We Recover Anything, Confidentiality Guaranteed. Austin, TX." They replace all the 1s and 0s with pure silence. Nothing beats that.

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    50. Re:BS Summary by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Thermite, like duct tape, is the solution to damn near everything.

      I've found that thermite is not a terribly effective contraceptive. Well, not if you want to have a sex life afterwards.

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    51. Re:BS Summary by Keybounce · · Score: 1

      Google is the Thermite of Privacy?

      (Google, or facebook, not sure which)

    52. Re:BS Summary by DarkXale · · Score: 1

      It still undergoes a P/E cycle however. The erase process is very time consuming, and SSD performance is severely impacted if it has to do those on the fly. SE on drives with Encryption still has the role to reset the drive so that it performs at peak capacity afterwards, which means draining all the cells. Skipping the P/E cycle would mean that drive performance would be severely reduced.

  3. Best way to destroy the drive... by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...is to literally destroy the drive...

    A small four-pound sledge and a suitable hard surface to act as an anvil and one can break the aluminum case into bits in a couple minutes and crease and crack the platters to the point that there realistically isn't anything being read from there. If you're REALLY worried, break out the plasma cutter and just cut the platters into bits...

    Speaking of bits, Spanish colonial currency were "pieces of eight". "Shave and a Haircut, two bits" is a $0.25 cost. So, eight bits to a full unit... Coincidence for eight bits to a byte, or intentional?

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    1. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by admdrew · · Score: 1

      Speaking of bits...

      Interesting, I never knew that... I was sorta hoping it was intentional, but looks like we have to blame a combination of ASCII (popularizing 7-bit over 4- or 6-bit) and the rise of 8-bit machines.

    2. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

      Speaking of bits, Spanish colonial currency were "pieces of eight". "Shave and a Haircut, two bits" is a $0.25 cost. So, eight bits to a full unit... Coincidence for eight bits to a byte, or intentional?

      Coincidence. I imagine it makes a lot of sense to keep the size of a byte as a power of two (for addressing reasons, maybe?) 4 bits isn't even enough to represent all of the characters in the Latin alphabet, and 16 bits was probably overkill at the beginning of the computer revolution.

      This is all a bunch of random guesswork. I have no facts for any of this :)

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    3. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is all a bunch of random guesswork. I have no facts for any of this :)

      So why bother? Why not just post a link to
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte#History
      Which explains it pretty well (yes, I have read it and it does match information I've picked up from other sources).

    4. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      break out the plasma cutter and just cut the platters into bits

      Damn all I have is a wire feed welder so I guess I will just have to turn up the power.

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    5. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      If you want weird, program a PIC.

      The RAM is eight-bit.

      The ROM is fourteen-bit.

    6. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Or you could simply degauss the drive, or raise it to the curie temperature, rather than dealing with "sort of effective" and difficult methods of destruction.

      Im not clear why people suggest shattering the platter; it doesnt "destroy" the data (simply separates it), its time consuming (unless you were already going for the magnets inside), and generally a quick zero-wipe will be sufficient and more effective for most cases, and degauss / curie temperature will suffice for all others.

    7. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by TWX · · Score: 1

      I formatted a hard disk drive last night to use it for something else. Smashing it to pieces would have been much faster and more satisfying.

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    8. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Speaking of bits, Spanish colonial currency were "pieces of eight". "Shave and a Haircut, two bits" is a $0.25 cost. So, eight bits to a full unit... Coincidence for eight bits to a byte, or intentional?

      And it's also how many tentacles a single whole-unit octopus has! And how many planets there are (since the loss of Pluto) in the whole solar system. And it's how many ounces are in a .. shit, is it a cup or a pound? I can never remember that one.

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    9. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by rthille · · Score: 1

      Crease the platters? These days, they are _GLASS_ coated with metal, and they shatter into _many_ pieces when they break.

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    10. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by rthille · · Score: 1

      I use multiple passes of random data in a working drive, but when the controller is bad and I have data on the drives I don't want people to get to, I take it apart, save the magnets and shatter the (now glass) platters.

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    11. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I formatted a hard disk drive last night to use it for something else. Smashing it to pieces would have been much faster and more satisfying.

      I just pop into my local undertakers and get my mate Dave, the night security guard, to chuck it in the next coffin up for cremation.

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    12. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Formatting your drive most likely got rid of none of the data.

      All a format does is prepare the necessary bits for storing data (file tables etc). It doesnt usually overwrite the whole drive, even if you pick "full format".

    13. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      The difference between an overwrite and shattering the drive is like the difference between burning sensitive papers, and simply ripping them into shreds.

      Ripping them up may make it difficult to get at, but a really determined attacker could conceivably recover some data.

    14. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by rthille · · Score: 1

      Sure, but when I _can't_ write to the drive because it's gone bad, then I don't have the choice of 'overwrite'. I suppose I could use my belt sander or welding torch on the platters, but I think shattering them into little pieces and putting some in one trash cycle and some in another works well enough. I'm paranoid, but not that paranoid.

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    15. Re:Best way to destroy the drive... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Taking a byte as the smallest individually addressable unit of memory, longest I ever saw was 60 bits, on the1970s and .1980s Control Data machines I used.

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  4. Speaking of Recovering Things by pitchpipe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this company offer a way to recover a Slashdot that doesn't disguise advertising as a story?

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    Look where all this talking got us, baby.
    1. Re:Speaking of Recovering Things by berashith · · Score: 4, Informative

      not disguised at all. If the first words of the summary arent " somerandomuser writes" , then I know that it wasnt user submitted, and is being pushed in from above. I only come into the comments of these types of stories to verify that I didnt click through to their ads.

  5. Slashdot is vulnerable and should be updated by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    Thanks to Slashdot's video implementation, I get a big div in the middle of the screen that says,

    This plugin is vulnerable and should be updated.
    Check for updates...
    Click here to activate the Adobe Flash plugin.

    Now my Firefox is up to date and the Flash plugin was updated earlier this month.

    1. Re:Slashdot is vulnerable and should be updated by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe you haven't updated Firefox in a while. Are you still using yesterday's version?

    2. Re:Slashdot is vulnerable and should be updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm on Nightly, you insensitive clod!!

    3. Re:Slashdot is vulnerable and should be updated by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      I'm on Nightly, you insensitive clod!!

      Ah, that's the problem. You really should get hourly builds if you want to be up to date. Nightly tends to be already completely outdated in the morning.

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  6. Advertisement within an advertisement? by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    I assumed the video was just a shameless promotion for the company, but clicked it anyway. Then, I saw that I was supposed to sit through a 30 second advertisement for some other random $#!T just so I can see an ad for this company ?

    Sorry, No.

    1. Re:Advertisement within an advertisement? by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just curious, why did you attempt to obscure the word "SHIT" in your post?

      Just say it. SHIT. It's a wonderful, useful word, just like FUCK, HELL, TITS, ASS, CUNT, DICK, and so many others that describe Slashdot and those who make it yet another newsvertisement site.

    2. Re:Advertisement within an advertisement? by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      You've hurt my feelings since you didn't obscure SHIT.

    3. Re:Advertisement within an advertisement? by Incadenza · · Score: 1

      Have you been listening extensively to Peaches by any change?

    4. Re:Advertisement within an advertisement? by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      Just wipe the SHIT across the other naughty words on your screen.

    5. Re:Advertisement within an advertisement? by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Some people are into messed-up shit. It's best not to ask.

  7. slight correction for this post: by nimbius · · Score: 2

    s/that recovers data from messed-up hard drives/that has learned the value of sponsored content advertising through the dice network/

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  8. What is a "Byte"? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> I imagine it makes a lot of sense to keep the size of a byte as a power of two (for addressing reasons, maybe?)

    I hope you're kidding, but in case you're not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte

    1. Re:What is a "Byte"? by guttentag · · Score: 1
      When I first learned about bytes I was in elementary school and my only frame of reference was the movie Tron (the original).

      Kevin Flynn: Hey! Hold it right there!
      Bit: Yes.
      Kevin Flynn: What do you mean, "yes"?
      Bit: Yes.
      Kevin Flynn: Is that all you can say?
      Bit: No.
      Kevin Flynn: Know anything else?
      Bit: Yes.
      Kevin Flynn: Positive and negative, huh. You're a bit, aren't you?
      Bit: Yes.
      Kevin Flynn: Well, where's your program? Isn't he going to miss you?
      Bit: No.
      Kevin Flynn: I'M your program?
      Bit: Yes.
      Kevin Flynn: Pretty good driving, huh?
      [CRASH]
      Bit: No.

      Bits are very direct. I figured a byte was a bit that knew 8 different ways of saying yes or no, but I was confused about how bits and bytes would communicate, because the bit wouldn't understand all the nuanced shades of yes or no. It seemed like a very fuzzy kind of logic. I made a mental note to study it further in junior high school, as a primer for studying other... curiosities... that know hundreds of ways of saying yes or no.

    2. Re:What is a "Byte"? by VanessaE · · Score: 1

      Kevin Flynn: I'M your program?
      Bit: Yes.

      You forgot the most important part:

      Kevin Flynn: Great, another mouth to feed.
      Bit: Yes! Yes! Yes! [...]

    3. Re:What is a "Byte"? by airdweller · · Score: 1

      "Bits are very direct. I figured a byte was a bit that knew 8 different ways of saying yes or no, but I was confused about how bits and bytes would communicate, because the bit wouldn't understand all the nuanced shades of yes or no. It seemed like a very fuzzy kind of logic. I made a mental note to study it further in junior high school, as a primer for studying other... curiosities... that know hundreds of ways of saying yes or no."

      Sooo... bits are men and bytes are women... I have more respect for Tron now...

    4. Re:What is a "Byte"? by HybridST · · Score: 1

      There's a wordlength joke in there somewhere...

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  9. Bad interview by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    This is such a random interview, he should of sat down and planned what he was going to say, this just sounds quick, dirty and unprofessional. I can't take a company seriously where the interviewer doesn't answer questions using a solid brief format. He's not even answers the questions properly, I give this a 2 / 10, to be fair I give most interviews about a 4 / 10, If you include PR you lose marks. Sit down, right out all the question and answer you want to talk about, practice it, re practice it and then go. Every time you stutter or have throw off a question you just look bad to the camera, I hate to be hating on this guy but it's pretty bad.

    1. Re:Bad interview by gweihir · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of crooks and unprofessionals in data recovery. Immoral scum that prey on those already in pain. Seems this guy is not quite on that level, but fits in somewhere with grand promises he cannot deliver on.

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  10. WTF? I thought I had ads diabled?? by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is this stupid marketing BS still displayed?

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  11. What the hell is with the transcription? by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    Did you basically just use Youtube's auto-closed-captioning function? The quality of the transcript is so bad it's virtually unreadable.

  12. Personal experience with them - they are legit by millisa · · Score: 2

    Not disagreeing that the video was pretty bad - I can't say I'd do any better if asked to do an interview off the cuff. Definitely not a well planned advertisement if that's what it was supposed to be.

    I've had customers that have used these guys with about a 50/50 success rate at getting 100% data back. The times they couldn't get the data were due to head crashes that had scrapped the platters clean.

    It never seems to fail, customer declares they absolutely don't need backups for their workstations, they only need it for their servers and that their users will always remember to put the data on the server. Except they don't . . . and there ends up being something business critical on Joe User's laptop that they just dropped/spilled on/etc.

    The way Flashback works is they'll do an eval on the drive (which they used to charge a couple hundred bucks to just do the eval, but they've gotten cheaper on the more common drive types) - after they get you the list of files that they can get back, they'll quote you what it takes to recover the data and you can choose whether to move forward. If they can't get anything, they let you know and you aren't out thousands of bucks with nothing to show for it.

    As much as we try to avoid the situation where an individual drive matters when it comes to data, the human part of business seems to generate conditions that causes these guys to be needed. I rarely have had to take anything to these guys, but overall I've been happy with the turn around, the pricing is reasonable compared to the national-mailin type chains and they don't sell you on things that are impossible. Usually I end up just bringing them a boxxed drive to dump the data on if they can get it, but they've been flexible at getting the important files up on a site that we can ftp it if the customer desperately wanted it.

    (and that's probably a better slashvertisement than what ended up coming across in the video - there was still some good info in it about how the ssd recovery differs from platter based if you can sit through the eye twitching and 'ums'). In any case - they haven't come across as the usual scum/basement recovery operations.

    1. Re:Personal experience with them - they are legit by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Good to know. So just their PR sucks. Actually, that may be an indicator that their work is not too bad, because the crooks rely on PR to get new customers, while those that actually get results can rely in part on repeat business.

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  13. SEE my SIG by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 1

    This stuff isn't It's not easy,and the costs can go rediculously through the roof. Having done a TINY bit myself, shipping out some work, etc..

    See my Sig though, it's all right there.

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    How much is your data worth? Back it up now.
  14. Slashdot is news or ads? by HaynieMatt · · Score: 1

    I thought this was going to inform me on a few ways I could do it myself. I don't really care to hear what someone else can do for me.

    1. Re:Slashdot is news or ads? by anagama · · Score: 1

      That, or at least some video of cool tools and a description of the process, rather than simple claims of what they can do. Show a water damaged drive, show how they get it spinning, show how they read data --- that would have been interesting even if it required an investment beyond what the average user would make.

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  15. spamdot? by X0563511 · · Score: 2

    We can flag comments as spam, but not "stories" such as this. Hmm.

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  16. smashed drive by zeroryoko1974 · · Score: 1

    I worked for awhile in a companies laptop repair depot. We received a laptop back from a user requesting data recovery. The laptop had been run over by a truck, and when you shook the hard drive it sounded like sand inside.

    1. Re:smashed drive by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it's still theoretically possible to reconstruct data from a quantum analysis of sand combined with a gravitino-fluxmeter. You need to strap it to a rocket and launch it into the sun. It's the only way to be sure.

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  17. Re:What is it about, Alphie? by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 1

    It depends on if the controller is good and if the platter(s) are damaged.

    All the software in the world won't fix a bad armature, controller, motor, though a platter can ,if lucky, be read a gazillion times and bit for bit avgd to try and sum up what the original bit shouldhave been. EAC uses a similar things to get audio from damaged CD's

    I attempted to fix a fullsize portable backup drive that was 'Knocked" when the poor thing was knocked off the counter onto a tile floor. It got hit just right, slamed into the floor, and the head scraped a concentric ring into the drive. I was looking at it for a friend, I told her she could try a specialized recovery place, but if they "Could" get it back it would be pretty pricey...It's why you don't use a backup drive as your only source of storage....

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  18. Why pretend by onyxruby · · Score: 1

    Perhaps Slashdot should follow Fark's lead and put a "sponsored" flag on stories like these and disable commenting? That way it would be clear that the story was an advertisement and they could avoid alienating their user base. Slashvertisements are usually fairly obvious and when they do appear the comments tend to all be very negative against whatever was being advertised. This way Slashdot could get their ad money for the promotion without pissing of the readers and filling the comments with vitriol.

  19. LOL DR Chipper Shredder by Virtucon · · Score: 3

    I doubt after your hard drive goes through a chipper/shredder that they could recover the data.

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    1. Re:LOL DR Chipper Shredder by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It's doable in theory, but prohibitively expensive. The only people with the knowledge would be the drive designers, and they'd need to spend weeks working with access to the type of cleanroom that makes an operating theater dirty.

  20. Trolling is FUN by pwnyxpress · · Score: 1

    Overwrite the entire drive with Rick Rolls.

  21. Duct tape is like the Force. by drainbramage · · Score: 2

    There is a light side and a dark side.
    Use the tape wisely.

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  22. Re:WTF? I thought I had ads diabled?? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    Web advertising is not traditional advertising. Traditional advertising didn't track you.

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  23. DIY by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 1

    While DIY data recovery has its risks, most "damaged" disks really just have minor filesystem corruption.

    The wonderful (free) photorec tool from the photorec package can be used to do an amazing amount of recovery. I've never had it fail on SD cards with FAT32 damage. It can also recover all sorts of other document formats, despite the name, and works fine on hard drives - though you should *ALWAYS* disk image the drive and then attempt recovery on the image.

    For imaging, look into ddrescue, it's a vital first-stage recovery tool.

  24. Simple and foolproof "soft" method by renuk007 · · Score: 1

    Just prepare a 512-byte buffer with all "U" (uppercase letter U) and write a serial number on TOP of it starting with 1. Then dump that buffer, incrementing the serial number as you go, until the disk is full. 1) Flash disk compression will fail because of the serial number, so all "spare areas" will be filled. 2) The "U" is a series of alternating 0s and 1s - very high hysteresis for magnetic drives. 3) Anybody assuming that "deletion" is only removing directory entries will be unpleasantly surprised. Very easy with Linux and C.

  25. Re:Stupid fucking advertisements. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    We really need a way to exclude video stories. Also, where do I sign up to buy a front page story?

    I generally visit slashdot at work, and I'm not some cool graphic designer who's allowed to sit there all day playing music through his headphones and not answering the phone. So I skip past any video link/story anyway.

    At least they've started doing transcripts of interviews now.

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  26. Re:Check Your Backups by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Yo Dawg I got you another backup so you can make backups of your backups of your backups.

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  27. Re:Flashback and Austin by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Sucks that I'll forever only have a few mostly crappy photos of my wedding reception

    I find it hard to believe that nowadays you wouldn't have hundreds of reasonable quality mobile phone pictures from pretty much everyone who attended. Granted, they might not be professiional level, but does that really matter?

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  28. Re:An old NSA con using FUD by tehcyder · · Score: 1
    Why would the NSA promote the idea that these firms CAN recover data?

    Surely it would be better from their point of view if the public thought that just disconnecting the hard drive made it somehow unreadable?

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  29. Form option to destroy hard drive by Control-Z · · Score: 1

    If I was that company I would make people write "I WANT YOU TO DESTROY THIS HARD DRIVE" before I would destroy it.

  30. My question is: by Kizul+Emeraldfire · · Score: 1

    ...is it possible to recover the data if all you have of the hard disk drive is the platter?

  31. Great Techniques by khalil5172 · · Score: 1

    It is a great techniques to recover valuable data from damaged hdd. We often failure to retrieve data and experiencing with big lost.

  32. Re:WTF? I thought I had ads diabled?? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Aaaaand, fail. The comment was humorous. Rather obviously so.

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