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Warner Bros. Sued By Meme Creators Over Copyright Infringement
Krazy Kanuck sends this quote from the BBC: "Warner Bros is being sued for the alleged unauthorized use of two cats that have achieved internet fame. ... The complaint alleged that the cats were used without permission in Scribblenauts, a series of games on the Nintendo DS and other platforms. Court documents alleged that Warner Bros and 5th Cell 'knowingly and intentionally infringed' both claimant's ownership rights. 'Compounding their infringements,' court papers (PDF) said, 'defendants have used "Nyan Cat" (designed by Christopher Torres) and "Keyboard Cat" (created in 1984 by Charles Schmidt), even identifying them by name, to promote and market their games, all without plaintiffs' permission and without any compensation to plaintiffs.' "
That escalated quickly.
nyan cat is watching you litigate!
... How do you like them poptarts?
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Can we all just agree that idea of "copyrighting" characters is ridiculous? Trademark is one thing, but characters created without trademark should be considered travelers within the realm of culture, IMO. Actual direct digital copying of DRAWINGS of said characters, of course, falls under copyright.
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I don't want to defend Warner Brothers, but this suit is stupid. These characters are totally pervasive on the Internet - de-facto public domain, so to say. They're also quite old. Extremely few of the people who use them have a clue that they're copyrighted.
If you create a meme and plaster it all over the Internet, you can't expect to keep people from using it, for profit or otherwise. That's just beyond ridiculous. If the creators of Hello Kitty were to sue every small clothing maker who used images, we'd have millions of stupid lawsuits like this under way.
If it was a character with a strong brand association, say like Mickey Mouse or Mario or anything from a cereal box, there might be a case. These characters exist solely for the purpose of sending people LULz everywhere on the webs, so it's really not the same thing, as they aren't commonly associated with any known brand or company.
These media conglomerates salivate in their sleep while dreaming of litigating the crap out of anyone they can get away with so that they can maintain a stranglehold on culture.
I am totally in favor of culture biting them in the ass, using the very laws they weas^H^H^H^Hchampioned.
Court documents alleged that Warner Bros and 5th Cell 'knowingly and intentionally infringed' both claimant's ownership rights.
They infringed both claimant's ownership rights and what else?
Doesn't Nyan cat use the image of a Pop Tart as the body of the cat?
"I was under the impression that once something becomes a meme, it is essentially public domain since it's extensive public use would forfeit any intellectual rights the creators may have had.
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You don't seem to understand copyright at all then, sadly. Everything you just said is wrong. .
In trademark perhaps, but not copyright. You can choose to prosecute any subset of copyright violators that you have the resources to prosecute.
There is no obligation to protect copyright. That's trademark.
So I seen deze 2 cats, hanging out on the Warner Brothers lot, and I think... I seen deze 2 cats somewhere before
Clearly the creators are confused. When big media takes something and uses it, that is just fine and everyone should look the other way. But if they (the big media maffia) even accuse anyone of taking something of theirs (or even that they would like to be theirs but really isn't) then that person is guilty and owes them irrational amounts of compensation.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
It sounds like you're saying it should be actionable if one person steals your work, but if everyone steals your work, it shouldn't be.
IMO, Warner Bros is in a "live by the IP, die by the IP" place. If they took someone else's work and used it for commercial gain, I don't have a problem with the creator whacking them on the head for it. The foolproof defense, oh big companies who make your fortunes by creating characters, is just never to steal someone else's characters.
Wasn't most of the content in APB player-created?
That would explain why the song Happy Birthday is public domain.
Except that it's not. You're thinking of trademarks, not copyrights.
Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.
Oh, good. let's start a Mickey Mouse meme, then.
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I eagerly await the answer...
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Toss the "stick it to the man," "taste your own medicine" rubbish aside...
$1000 says WB wins, considering the justice system is rigged to favor the party with the most money.
Come on, who are we trying to fool here?
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
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When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
a character with a cat's face and a body
resembling a horizontal breakfast bar
with pink frosting sprinkled with light red dots,
flies across the screen, leaving a stream
of exhaust in the form of a bright rainbow
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I was under the impression that once something becomes a meme, it is essentially public domain
Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so.
Legally, no it doesn't work that way at all.
Culturally, the only thing that any self-respecting netizen would advance as a meme isn't created by corporate influences or anyone that has the money or means to try and... you know... "own" a meme. As much as the PR department of Folgers Crystals would love to have their product become a meme, that shit just ain't happenin. But companies are certainly trying. I mean, that thing with the Old Spice guy is pretty well known.
Most memes are created and spread by, well, the poor. Poor in comparison to companies that own "brands", at least. The poor by and far do not enjoy the legal rights that people with lawyers do, and so the vast majority of memes are thrown about without worrying about being sued.
So when you say "essentially in the public domain", you're actually kinda right. Any copyright owned by the poor probably isn't going to be enforced, which is almost equivalent to being in the public domain.
If that seems unfair to you.... YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH how about that suit against Warner Bros.?
There already is one.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/suicide-mouse
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WB used them for making money. This is is the complaint.
they were actually making money off of someone else work without compensation.
Which is irrelevant in determining fair use.
How so? The first factor in a fair use determination under U.S. law (17 USC 107) involves whether or not the "purpose and character" was commercial.
In this case, you should probably learn more about what's going on with copyright.
Sorry, the Buy More was a fictional store in the TV Series Chuck.
So you can't do that either. But you can Purchase More if you like!
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It's just that the rich don't need to sleep under bridges, whereas the poor sometimes do. So laws against doing things that those without means must do (sleep outdoors, urinate in the park behind trees and shrubs, beg for money) are applied equally to those rich enough that they wouldn't have to break that law in the first place. Sigh.... exasperated sigh....
That's not relevant. What's relevant is who the original creators wants to grant permission. They may very well be fine with people using these cats at random on the internet, that doesn't mean they have given everyone permission to use it in a commercial context by an anti-internet company.
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The wikipedia quote is "I was doing a donation drive for the Red Cross and in-between drawings in my Livestream video chat, two different people mentioned I should draw a “Pop Tart” and a “cat”.
Cut and paste dude.
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The "WB" logo also is a meme, even though it is only two letters inside the outline of a shield. Of course, WB employs an army of lawyers who use trademark and copyright law to zealously protect its intellectual property, including its logo.
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That was precisely my point.
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