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"Terrorist" Lyrics Land High Schooler In Jail
An anonymous reader writes "A Methusen, Mass. high schooler, who goes by the rapper name 'Cammy Dee' has been arrested after posting lyrics that police felt were 'communicating terrorist threats.' This wouldn't be the first time rap lyrics were investigated, but if formally charged for 'communicating terrorist threats' this would a set a chilling low bar for terrorist investigations."
Really, if the police have time enough to deal with this, then clearly all the more important crimes have been resolved.
Welcome to the USSA where freedom of speech means freedom to praise your government, where the right to bear arms means the right to go hunting, where the right to not be searched without a warrant doesn't apply, where due process can be ignored if the president wants you dead.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
but if formally charged for 'communicating terrorist threats' this would a set a chilling low bar for terrorist investigations."
Please. It's already chillingly low. How many christians have publicly said gays "should burn in hell" ? How many famous celebrities have said they would shoot government officials if they came to take their guns away? I could come up with dozens of examples of more volatile speech by talking heads on television... and god help us if I decide to include examples from that cesspool of humanity called the internet.
Being called a terrorist or avoiding that label all comes down to who and what you are. It is, and always has been, about that -- not what you say. Look at the boston bomber -- muslim. Terrorist. But the Aurora shooting? Not a terrorist. Those people that blew up a shiite church in Wisconsin? Not terrorists. In fact, as long as you aren't black, or a muslim, you can probably avoid the "terrorist" label.
The 'terrorist' label is just like the 'communist' label, and before that the 'fascist' label, and before that... you get the idea. Every generation has had their government-sponsored boogieman. Terrorist is ours.
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From looking at the story, it seems like some prosecutor here wants to come off as tough on crime and terrorists to further their political career. This is Aaron Schwartz all over again. This person in question is just some 18 year old who did something stupid. A reasonable punishment seems like 500 hours community service and a $1000 fine. No reason for 20 years in prison for doing something stupid that harmed no one.The average sentence for rape is around 20 years.
The very same day, the head of the NRA said that all americans should be trained in automatic weapons for the eventual day when we have to take over our government.
That was actually a multi-billion dollar statement in terms of cost to the US.
Why? because now all those people who hold security positions and had to sign that they had never belonged to an organization that advocated the violent overthorow of the US govt will have to be re-investigated if they continue to belong to the NRA.
It's basically sedition.
where the white house gets attacked. why dont we lock those fillmakers up? or at least those actors spewing those hateful lines.
Umm, he wasn't arrested because of his lyrics, he was arrested because of a rant on Facebook. He seems to be trying to say that he's going to be famous because of his rapping and trying to act like a thug.
Dystopian fiction has always been an interesting topic for nerds. I mean, I'm pretty sure all of us have at least read one or two good dystopian novels that have changed our ways of thinking (1984, Brave New World, We, Anthem, The Time Machine, A Clockwork Orange, etc.) and so when we see the dystopian future that we hoped only existed in the realm of fiction (or at least somewhere other than the US and Western Europe) happening in our backyard, it becomes a discussion point.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
“I’m not in reality, So when u see me fucking go insane and make the news, the paper, and the fucking federal house of horror known as the white house, Don’t fucking cry or be worried because all YOU people fucking caused this shit. Fuck a boston bominb wait till u see the shit I do, I’m a be famous rapping, and beat every murder charge that comes across me"
Compare that against the shit I remember in the 90s (dre, snoop dog, easy z, compton's most wanted, tupac, blah blah blah) and it's kinda poetic. Eg. Above the Law "Another Execution" and it seems like rap lyrics are getting better:
Because I take out my weapon And I quickly start blastin', I go total loco like a crazy assasin, I look at my posse they say nothings confusin', Why? why? why? It's just another execution
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There are rappers with such suggestions.
You prefer to ignore them, and fast the whole group as a problem, thereby validating all the ones complaining about being blindly judged and condemned.
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People buy what they want to emulate and it doesn't really matter the genre of music.
I mean, look at AC/DC's Shoot to Thrill
"Shoot to thrill, play to kill Too many women with too many pills Shoot to thrill, play to kill I got my gun at the ready, gonna fire at will"
Or 22-20 Blues by Skip James (written in 1931)
"Sometimes she gets unruly An she act like she just don't wanna do But I get my 22-20 I cut that woman half in two"
Almost any genre of music has "questionable" lyrics. I think it is less of music making people bad as much as it is that those who are attracted to a life of crime will listen to music about a life of crime. Just like how people who like hunting, drinking beer and driving trucks listen to country music, its not because of country music that you like those things, you like those things so you listen to country music.
Because of this, there will always be an audience for "criminal" rappers, having a bunch of "quality" rappers won't change it.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
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Fool. The American people own their government by right spelled out in the Constitution. They can't "take over" what is theirs. Armed citizens are the ultimate last ditch the protection against the government being taken over by rogue elements. Go crawl back under your rock.
Come on now, no need to go into armchair revolutionary panic mode. Terroristic threatening is a common statutory criminal offense. It doesn't imply that the perpetrator is a member of a terrorist cell or that our liberties are being attacked. It's sort of like an assault, just a little more specific and serious.
Generalized definition of a terrorist threat:
1. Willfully threaten to commit a crime that will result in death or great bodily harm.
2. Make threat with the specific intent that it be taken as a threat.
3. The threat is so unequivocal, unconditional, and specific as to convey a gravity of purpose and immediate prospect of execution.
4. The threat actually caused fear in the victim.
5. The fear was reasonable.
Generalized definition of an assault:
1. Intent to create the state of fear or danger in the victim.
2. The victim had a reasonable apprehension (belief) that they would be harmed.
3. The victim must experience fear in response to a threat that is imminent, or immediately about to occur.
4. The conduct must present either a threat of physical harm or offensive behavior.
No, no. It's the right to bear arms. You can have brown bear arms, black bear arms, polar bear arms... but not panda bear arms, because they're endangered. And also not koala bear arms, because they're not actually bears.
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A couple questions:
When in US history has the government been taken over by rogue elements? In these cases did an Armed Citizenry actually stop said rogue elements?
In the numerous cases where the government has actually oppressed it's people (slavery, segregation, etc.), can you name a single instance of the armed citizenry stopping them?
That's called a confirmation bias. I think you'd have to be pretty ignorant to ignore the social conditions that drove the birth of gangster rap, and the fact that the rise of gangster rap in the 90s was actually thanks to the purchasing power of the white suburban class who wanted to be bad ass. I'm fairly confident in saying that you haven't any credibility on the history of rap anymore than I have any credibility in speaking about metal.
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Tribe Called Quest? Jurrasic 5? J-Live? Curren$y? Drake? Jay-Z? Jungle Brothers? De La Soul? Pharcyde? Kanye? ... fuckit, that took about 5 seconds and I'm bored already. I'm even too bored to google for delicious metal lyrics. As an intelligent, employed, classically musically trained white guy from the burbs, I feel sad for folks who really think they're "above" rap. You don't have to like it, but it's no smarter or dumber than any other genre.
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Armed citizenry is kind of how we broke free and ultimately formed the nation. Just because it wasn't specifically against the US government, it isn't any less valid.
Whilst it is true that "rogue elements" have usurped control of our government, the only last ditch defence possible will be peaceful civil disobedience. Anyone retarded enough to fantasize about armed rebellion has not been paying attention.
Eventually, this Homeland Security horseshit will become so intolerable that even the average citizen will realize that it is un-American. This, OTOH, appears to me to be a bit beyond the pale, and outside of our protected speech. I am all about unpopular opinions, I happen to hold a great many myself, and reckon I'd get arrested or beaten if I shared some of them, but this chump is not Lenny Bruce.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
Armed citizenry is kind of how we broke free and ultimately formed the nation. Just because it wasn't specifically against the US government, it isn't any less valid.
And the French Army, which is a small detail overlooked by libertarian revisionists.
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"start restricting freedom of movement'? Take a trip to Cuba.
You'd think so, but apparently the US government is so jumpy that they are willing to strip away its citizen's rights piecemeal.
Basically, the terrorists have won.
The Armed citizenry was part of it, but you're missing a lot. The Prussian Drill Washington instituted under Baron von Steuben was the antithesis of Armed Citizens, and even with an Armed Citizenry and an actual army Washington couldn't win until after Admiral de Grasse delivered the historic coup de grasse at the battle of Chesepeake. Armed citizens could make it difficult for the British to hold territory, but they simply could not drive the British out.
And that was in the days when 100 guys with hunting rifles were better-armed then 100 combat troops with military-grade weapons. Nowadays military technology has moved on. A guy with a rifle is not a threat to any modern Army. What they fear are roadside bombs, IEDs, and similar devices.
Anyone who wants to fight against criminality in our government, and doesn't think Osama's plan is still working, should remember "Wasp" by Eric Frank Russell.
We don't have far to go.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
Giant pandas are, in fact, considered bears (though that was not always the case). Red pandas, however, are still more closely related to raccoons..
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Do you mean 1776? Because the change in government in 1774 was the creation of Congress, and if Congress is the "rogue element," that an Armed Citizenry is supposed to fight then the Armed Citizenry lost.
If you're trying to refer to 1776, as I mentioned in another post we couldn't have won that war without a professional army, the French Navy, and French money to pay for it all.
Even if you give the Armed Citizenry 100% credit, you have to ask how they'd beat the US Army today?
The Taliban have weapons orders of magnitude better then anything that has even been legal in the US because they have RPGs. Their backup weapon is better then anything currently street-legal in the US (fully auto AKs are not street legal). And yet most of their successful attacks are IEDs.
Military technology is changed. As a weapon today the rifle is where the sword was in 1860-65. It's useful militarily in certain tactical situations, but basing your entire tyranny-prevention policy on rifles...
Yep, as done by such armed civilians as General Washington.
Sorry, but the pathetic myth of some guys with old muskets freezing in the woods winning a country alone is pissing on the graves of your ancestors who were not as stupid as you'd like to pretend they were.
A couple questions: When in US history has the government been taken over by rogue elements? In these cases did an Armed Citizenry actually stop said rogue elements?
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Fully how that inconvenient word "militia" tends to get ignored every time the 2nd amendment comes up and people seem to instead see it as a reset button. Look at Syria to get a dose of reality about what a revolution really looks like when it's not just about throwing out a small occupying force from a distant nation.
It's funny how in the USA it's considered to be "conservative" to go around yelling about arming in preparation to smash the state.
In these cases did an Armed Citizenry actually stop said rogue elements?
46 years ago
But the unarmed citizenry was far more effective (MLK & Co.).
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NWA sang about actively murdering police, and it's legit. This is NOT new, it's not even newsworthy... until this stupid shit becomes fodder for arrests. It's stupid shit, yes but is it really worth arresting on "communicating terrorist threats"? Hell no - that's one damn slippery slope.
And in this day and age, it takes much less skill to build things that go boom than it does to learn to shoot well.
A guy with a rifle is not a threat to any modern Army.
Yeah, cause we haven't lost any troops to guys with rifles in Iraq or Afghanistan.
What they fear are roadside bombs, IEDs, and similar devices.
So explosives should be legal?
It's right now. Deal with it.
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MC Solaar. I think most of his songs (with actual instruments, not just drums and bass) are fairly positive, though they are in French.
I'm still pretty sure Osama was not the one who came up with the plan. I know this sounds like all the other conspiracy theories but whoever is pulling the strings in the US right now are the ones who have the most to profit from the so-called anti-terrorism.
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Erm, way to quote lyrics out of context.
The ACDC song I'm pretty certain were more about sex than violence. Gun being a euphemism for... Well let me direct you to Full Metal Jacked for the difference between "gun" and "rifle".
Dirty Deeds is a better example but still woefully wrong. Dirty deeds is telling the story of a hitman.
I'm sure you can keep going but in mainstream rock you wont find many examples glorifying violence in the same manner as mainstream rap. Definitely nowhere near the volume. With rock you need to go to the more obscure areas rather than listening to 25 cent or whatever talking about shooting his bitches or some such. Sex is the more common theme in rock, I think you'll find death and suicide to be more common than promoting violence in hard rock and heavy metal.
People who are attracted to a life of crime, will see their own justifications in the meaning of the media they watch/listen to. Or to be more accurate, someone unhinged will see teletubies as supporting their view. It's not about the lyrics as much as the listener. The listener interprets the lyrics and this interpretation is coloured by their own perceptions (I think this is what you meant) so if they are a criminal, they will see things supporting or justifying their activities.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
This.
The thing that will prevent tyranny is an educated populace, and the political faction most associated with the NRA is the same faction that is trying to gut education in this country.
They want everyone ignorant and afraid, so they can sell more guns.
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Nowadays military technology has moved on. A guy with a rifle is not a threat to any modern Army.
vietnam war
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afghanistan and iraq (how long did it take to hunt down saddam hussein and osama bin laden?)
"modern" militaries are good at bombing innocent civilians, but atrocious at fighting actual combatants... all it takes is a single RPG to take down a multi-million dollar attack helicopter
What they fear are roadside bombs, IEDs, and similar devices.
so they fear basically every potential enemy combatant? if so it means they really aren't that effective at all
"modern" military forces like to think they are smart, but if they were really smart they wouldn't need big expensive fancy weapons...
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."
"Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory."
"To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." - Sun Tzu
"Even if you give the Armed Citizenry 100% credit, you have to ask how they'd beat the US Army today?"
Members of the United States armed forces are also CITIZENS of this land. Each of them has a home, located in some city or town, located in some state or another. Each of them (well, the overwhelming majority, anyway) has loved ones, whom they probably value more than they value the US government.
I'll remind you of General Robert E. Lee, who didn't want to see the states fight each other - but decided that if there were to be a fight, he would fight for his home state of Virginia.
If revolution should happen, you cannot rely on the Army, the Navy, or the Air Force to remain intact as fighting units, to be used against the people of the United States. Nor can you rely on the government's ability to retain control over all the hardware, command infrastructure, or much of anything else.
For this reason, and others, the Department of Homeland Security was formed. The government hopes to retain control of DHS if and when the shit hits the fan. Unfortunately for the government - DHS consists of mostly incompetent buffoons, far less capable than agents from any other agency. Further, the loyalty of Napolitano's troops remain untested.
Anyone can sit around and make up scenarios about how a revolution would evolve, and the results of said revolution. History proves one thing: civil wars are fucking MESSY!!
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The thing that will prevent tyranny is an educated populace.
This simply can not be stressed enough.
A guy with a rifle is not a threat to any modern Army. .
I agree that 1 guy with a gun isn't going to win a war. Hell, even a hundred. 1 guy can however cause a lot of chaos and confusion, and even shut down entire states for days.
Remember that it was just a few guys with rifles that had law enforcement and the general public shitting their pants every time that a loud noise was heard. Dorner had one of the largest police forces on the planet walking on egg shells. The DC sniper had most of new england scared shitless.
An armed response is not always the answer.
Mainstream media failed to properly report the peaceful revolution in Iceland recently where the population completely replaced their government. http://rhuni.com/l/R7XUh8IIGB
Or we can look at the revolution in Egypt where only 2% of the population marched on the capital.
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Actually, in French it means - Coup (blow) de (of) grace (mercy).
Life needs more saving throws.
And apologies for being a doofus and not actually reading what you wrote. Doh.
Life needs more saving throws.
A couple questions:
When in US history has the government been taken over by rogue elements?...
Every couple of years sometime in early November.
Okay, technically the following January.
Although I think it used to be March.
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How can the bar go any lower when it comes to the US judicial system ?
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A guy with a rifle is not a threat to any modern Army. What they fear are roadside bombs, IEDs, and similar devices.
If a guy with a rifle is not a threat, then why are soldiers eissued rifles. Further why is/are democrats so worried about "domestic terrorists" (white guys) with military style weapons? You don't have to be able to conquer an army to be a threat (Just ask Lincoln, Kennedy, King, ...)
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Kent state as I remember it was the national guard, not the US military per se. It was also a largely peaceful demonstration until the cops moved in and then things escalated. Even when it came to gun fire form the guard (& no one knows for sure why they fired) only 29 of 77 guardsmen would actually do it.
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The point of a rifle is to send metal ellipsoids flying in a predetermined direction at very high velocity, the rest is up to the user.
The Admiral who won the battle of Chesapeake was the Count de Grasse, so it was literally the blow of Grasse that won the Revolutionary War for us.
So "coup de grasse" is a pun.
"My lyrics are terrorism, gave the police a schism, they threw me in jail because my words are like bullets in 'em"
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A guy with a rifle is not a threat to any modern Army.
Yeah, cause we haven't lost any troops to guys with rifles in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Check the casualty figures.
IEDs are responsible for roughly 60% of our casualties. Every non-IED incident where we had multiple casualties is either a) an RPG, or b) a car bomb.
I didn't say rifles were useless. You can kill people with them. But if the people of America start taking potshots at marines with their rifles the people of America will get their asses kicked. Body Armor exists.
What they fear are roadside bombs, IEDs, and similar devices.
So explosives should be legal?
That would be a valid conclusion to draw if one believed an armed citizenry was a good idea.
I don't.
I grew up in a black area. In the black experience Armed Citizens are the ones who decide that a) they have a Constitutional right to oppress their neighbors, and b) the Federal government has no jurisdiction to stop them. About half the time they actually convince said Federal government of this fact. At various times this has led to actual slavery, KKK terrorism reducing the black population of various southern states by 20 points (in other words: genocide), segregation, etc.
As far as I can tell all an Armed Citizenry has ever done is a) get killed by the Army protesting taxes, and b) got rid of one corrupt Southern Sheriff. In modern times there are perfectly effective methods of protest that don't get anyone killed, so really all you've got is b). And trading one Sheriff for Segregation does not seem like a very good trade to me.
If revolution should happen, you cannot rely on the Army, the Navy, or the Air Force to remain intact as fighting units, to be used against the people of the United States.
You can't discount a large portion of them either. If played right, they could be used to suppress groups designated as terrorists or whatnot.
The Nazi's were made up of citizens too. It didn't stop them from doing horrific things to certain segments of German society (the Jewish were most visible, but atrocities were committed against many other groups).
Think of the increasing brutality from police in some places, or the attitudes of the TSA etc. A smart yet evil gov't will play elements against each other to accomplish their goals. It seems that right now, all they have to do is label somebody or group a terrorist and suddenly they're not people anymore...
Not just educated, but educated in tyrannical regimes and systems from abusive relationships to cults to dictatorships which all share common elements apart from scale. Sociology of coercive persuasion in should be taught. 1984, Farenheit 451, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest and many others should all be required reading in school. It's not enough to teach math, science, and so forth. The Soviet Union and their satellites had fantastic educational systems when it comes to the sciences.