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Microsoft YouTube App Strips Ads; Adds Download

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft appears to be sticking a finger in Google's eye with the launch of its new YouTube app for Windows Phone. The app, ReadWrite has confirmed, strips out YouTube ads when it plays back videos and allows users to easily download video by way of a prominent 'download' button."

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  1. Google will block it by laing · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Give them a day. I'll bet it stops working tomorrow.

    1. Re:Google will block it by dclozier · · Score: 5, Funny

      They just need to move to VP8 delivery only. Microsoft said it wouldn't support it - then we'll really know for sure!

    2. Re:Google will block it by ADRA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, without looking into the matter, it sounds like a TOS issue here. Its either against the terms of service or not.

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    3. Re:Google will block it by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right. The two largest software companies are going to act like a couple of petulant small time administrators have a dick measuring contest. Sure.

      You don't think that there was a bit of collaboration in creating it, maybe?

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    4. Re:Google will block it by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it seems like MS is shooting themselves in the foot yet again.

      They did that long ago when they refused to participate in other software ecosystems, and concentrated on locking competitors out by locking customers in.

      Now their locked-in market is failing, and the world is bypassing their restrictions. They don't have time to develop good, competitive software, all they can do is assault competitors with any tools they have at hand.

      It's an ugly, desperate thing we're seeing here.

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    5. Re:Google will block it by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been watching YouTube videos forever as an unregistered visitor and never seen a TOS.

      So you're suggesting, based on your experiences, that the Microsoft Phone development team and their legal advisers can ignore any TOS that they choose not to read?

      Fascinating...

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    6. Re:Google will block it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      because it worked so poorly for Apple too. they locked everyone in, a company that was about to fold, and then all hell broke loose. audio files that couldn't play on any other device are what killed the iPod's early years, and iTunes, and a phone that can only have apps that are bought through a closed store, of which the developers have to share money with Apple and can't have payments not through the store... it's just obvious that be being closed they strangled the industry. the app boom never happened, the smart phone market failed, and digital music services never took off.

    7. Re:Google will block it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've been watching YouTube videos forever as an unregistered visitor and never seen a TOS.

      So you're suggesting, based on your experiences, that the Microsoft Phone development team and their legal advisers can ignore any TOS that they choose not to read?

      Fascinating...

      A contract does not apply unless you agree to it. There is a lot of debate in the legal community whether TOS are valid at all, and the answer seems to be "it depends". I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know whether in this particular case the TOS applies but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't.

      Microsoft's developers are not agreeing to any TOS. Even if they did agree to it they are not on the board of directors and they are not in the legal department, so they're not authorised to agree on behalf of the corporation anyway.

      With no TOS in place, that leaves the DMCA... but google doesn't use any DRM to force ads ads to appear or prevent downloads so I don't think there is any DMCA violation either.

      If google adds some DRM though, even if it's weak DRM, microsoft would be in deep shit if they bypass it.

    8. Re:Google will block it by Dorianny · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The drop in market share is largely due to the explosive growth in the entry level market. In the high end market apple is still king. The only thing all these financial analysts that are crying for apple to release a low-end device really care about is the next quarterly report. Apple has built a name as a premium brand and jeopardizing that image for a quick profit would only benefit the wall street players at the expense of apple's long term future.

    9. Re:Google will block it by smash · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bottom left of their page, link: terms.

      Section 4b

      You agree not to alter or modify any part of the Service.

      Section 4j

      YouTube reserves the right to discontinue any aspect of the Service at any time.

      Section 5b

      Content is provided to you AS IS. You may access Content for your information and personal use solely as intended through the provided functionality of the Service and as permitted under these Terms of Service. You shall not download any Content unless you see a “download” or similar link displayed by YouTube on the Service for that Content. You shall not copy, reproduce, make available online or electronically transmit, publish, adapt, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display, sell, license, or otherwise exploit any Content for any other purposes without the prior written consent of YouTube or the respective licensors of the Content. YouTube and its licensors reserve all rights not expressly granted in and to the Service and the Content.

      I'm sure there are also other sections that could be used as justification by youtube to block MS user's access to the content without any problem at all.

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    10. Re:Google will block it by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apples stock also got cut in half. But if you want to ignore every financial number that means anything go right ahead.

  2. Re:Who figured this out? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't have a youtube downloader in your browser, it's because you don't want one. And if you're seeing ads in youtube it's because you're not using adblock plus.

    Youtube is supposed to paywall some premium content soon, which is fine. I'm not watching it anyway, so I'm not downloading it either. The kind of stuff I download from youtube mostly involves documentaries on subjects like Waco or what kids are eating, and I'm not also streaming it, so there's really no good reason for them to try to stop me.

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  3. Re:Going to hurt videos available at some point by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not to be mean to you personally, but we don't fucking care. Just like we don't fucking care that ABC doesn't like us recording shows on our DVRs and watching them later without having to suffer through the horrible, loud, insulting-to-the-intelligence ads. We don't care that Sony and BMG want us to buy entire CDs of music, rather than download songs, or worse yet, find other music to listen to.

    So, if your profession is making videos, and your income is based on ads played during those videos on a communal website, you may want to think of a better revenue stream. This one isn't going to last, whether Microsoft can pull this off or not.

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  4. Re:Soooo Xbox Live? by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Theoretically...

    There are ways to blackhole ad servers at the router, if you use DDWRT or openWRT, assming MS hasn't deeply rolled the ad server In with the live server.

    This means that you could inject alternatives to adverts and movie files, based on the structure of the query, and the remote IP. Eg, you could put a "no" sign around a $, in place of static image ads, and a "static screen loop" in place of streaming video ads. Unless the MS dash does some kind of data hash checking, it would display the downloaded content instead of the intended adverts.

    (Makes you wonder if you could force MS xboxes to display trojanized swf files, or trojanized EMF or TIFF files, for clandestine execution jumping fun....)

    I haven't tested this, and it is clearly against MS's ToS, (which as worded, says you cant even have wireshark running at the same time your xbox is turned on, let alone meddle with the replies the box gets.)

    Danger if MS does a super dick move, like double verify image checksums of adverts the console downloads, and if "known surrogates/malware" are detected, ban the console though.

  5. Defeating the ads is trivial, allow me to demo... by Proudrooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Supposed you want to wish your mother a Happy Dub Step Mothers Day with this video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J0o65u73Nc

    But you want to strip the adds and go fullscreen:

    Easy, simply change the URL: delete "watch?v=" and replace with "v/"
    http://www.youtube.com/v/9J0o65u73Nc

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    Microsoft must have some really smart developers to have figured out how to rewrite the YouTube URL using computer programming. I am going to run out and get a Surface with Windows 8 before Best Buy closes tonight. Microsoft might be adding more useful features soon and I don't want to miss out. It would be a shame to watch a 5 second YouTube Ad and support that rich Google company. Microsoft is sticking it to man! Wait, I thought they were the man. Hmmm... something has changed. I'm so confused.
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  6. Re:Then stop breaking the terms of service. by Your.Master · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, they really don't owe it to you.

    How much do you pay Google anyway, and for what? Most people pay only by consuming the increasingly-obnoxious ads. I think the ads on youtube are atrocious. But I'm pretty sure they do not, in fact, owe you an ad-free youtube. What are you, majority shareholder?

    I pay a lot of money for my Internet service. Doesn't mean they owe me grocery delivery, or any other random thing I'd like and that their service happens to enable in a tangential way.

  7. Re:Can they? by Le+Marteau · · Score: 5, Informative

    Youtube can say whatever they want. Whether it is enforceable is another matter.

    Saving a YouTube video for later playback on your own machine (i.e. not distributing) is simply "time shifting"... time shifting has been tried time and time again in the courts and it is settled law. What legally comes to your device can be saved and played back at a later date (aka "taping" and now "downloading") and Google can TOS till the cows come home but no TOS ever written and tested in court has ever abridged the right of anyone at any time to time shift.

    In other words, download all you want. Rip it to DVDs/CDs. Play it back a million times. Put it on all your devices. There's not a goddamned thing Google, or anyone, can do to stop you... they can add stuff to their TOS from now until doomsday but it does not matter in the least.

    Re-distribution is another matter of course.

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  8. Re:Going to hurt videos available at some point by RulerOf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    fine... open your wallet... takers are SOOOO annoying.

    I fucking wish I could pay as little to watch a TV show or movie as a comparable set of ads would return in revenue for being in front of my eyeballs.

    Instead, some dickhead thinks I should pay ~5-10 cents a minute to watch one episode of his TV show. Naturally, 1080p costs twice as much too.

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  9. Best Response by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If Google doesn't decide to ignore this, I would suggest they license the rights to the Rick Aston video, detect if the connection is coming from this software and RickRoll anyone using it.