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Engineering the $325,000 Burger

Dr. Mark Post hopes to bring the dream of cultured meat one step closer to reality when he unveils his high tech hamburger in London. The five ounce burger is composed of 20,000 strips of beef muscle tissue grown in a laboratory at a cost of $325,000 (provided by an anonymous donor.) From the article: "The hamburger, assembled from tiny bits of beef muscle tissue grown in a laboratory and to be cooked and eaten at an event in London, perhaps in a few weeks, is meant to show the world — including potential sources of research funds — that so-called in-Vitro meat, or cultured meat, is a reality."

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  1. I hope by rossdee · · Score: 5, Funny

    You get lots of fries for that price

    (And your coke in a real glass, not a plastic cup)

    1. Re:I hope by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

      But then, it's not made out of animals. So it's clearly vegetarian food.

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    2. Re:I hope by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Funny

      You get lots of fries for that price

      Yep, you get plenty of fries from a parallel research project, codenamed "raise dolphins that grow potato tumors and kill them to make fries," thanks to a generous donation from the Society for the Promotion of Cruelty to Animals.

    3. Re:I hope by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some people don't eat meat and animal products for health reasons, others for ethical reasons. So I think this will split the vegetarians and vegans into four groups:
      - health issues vegetarian
      - health issues vegan
      - ethical vegetarian
      - ethical vegan

    4. Re:I hope by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course there are also the people who think that any food that has even just come close to a lab is the devil. That group might have a considerable (but not complete) overlap with the ethical vegetarians/vegans.

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    5. Re:I hope by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, I also wouldn't accept imaginary coke. Nor complex coke, because it always has an imaginary part.

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    6. Re:I hope by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And the health-issues variety. "Vat grown meat exacerbates my wifi allergy!"

    7. Re:I hope by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

      - ethical vegetarian
      - ethical vegan

      Things that I eat include:
      - edible vegetarian
      - edible vegan

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    8. Re:I hope by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sure it would. For people who adhere to vegetarianism on an ethical basis strictly founded in the idea that they do not want to contribute to the death and/or suffering of animals, there is no reason why they would have any issues with meat, taken in the absence of animals, nor any reason why they would deny the "meatness" of this material. They're issue isn't with the meat itself: it's with the way that the meat is gathered. Lab grown meat would still be meat and would likely circumvent those objections.

      Of course, I recall an episode of Better of Ted where the geeks try to grow meat in the lab. When the tester eventually eats it, they ask how it tastes, and from my recollection, I believe the answer was, "like despair".

    9. Re:I hope by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used to work in a company that grows animal tissue cultures. You certainly CAN grow lots of tissue types without horse serum or any animal-related products. In fact, lots of lab protocols require that.

    10. Re:I hope by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Funny

      My own concern is: how will I know for sure it's fake beef and not fake horse?

    11. Re:I hope by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whether or not you buy it from the UK?

    12. Re:I hope by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Funny

      Early experiments with in vitro meat had no muscle tone. (Past stories here have pointed this out.) The closest natural experience would be eating a fetus—not exactly good steak.

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    13. Re:I hope by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course there are also the people who think that any food that has even just come close to a lab is the devil.

      And I guarantee those people will say vat grown causes everything from cancer to autism. If we don't watch out this will become the next frankenfood scare

    14. Re:I hope by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What about real human?

      Would that be either legal or ethical?

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    15. Re:I hope by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indeed, which is something that has been done here. Hence the "early" qualifier.

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    16. Re:I hope by AdamWill · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot '- think that eating seafood and the occasional hamburger counts as vegetarian'

    17. Re:I hope by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny thing is "quorn", which is factory grown fungus, seems to have a big enough vegetarian following that I've seen it at the major supermarket chains and it's the most artifical food in the place. I presume that the same people that are eating that wouldn't have much of a problem with vat grown meat.

    18. Re:I hope by avandesande · · Score: 4, Funny

      Heck, maybe you could market it based on donor identity? Beyonce rump roast anyone?

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  2. So... by centipedes.in.my.vag · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this meat technically qualify as vegetarian, as no animal was killed to make it?

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    1. Re:So... by femtobyte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Given the wide range of positions that fall under the broad banner "vegetarian" (do you eat eggs? dairy? fish?), there is no one correct "technical qualification". Likely, vegetarians closer to the "fundamentalist vegan" side will consider this an unacceptable animal product, while vegetarians closer to the "I still sometimes have a BLT because bacon tastes so good" school will embrace the concept.

    2. Re:So... by kwerle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes*

      * Unless you don't think so.

      I don't eat meat because I find animal food farming in this country (the US) abhorrant. I don't eat well treated food animals (free range, wild hunted, etc) because I find it simpler to draw the line at "I don't eat meat".

      I'm looking forward to commonly available vat-grown beef. Once the price point hits a reasonable level, I think I will partake. Other people won't feel the same way.

  3. Re:Japanese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    This might be a very cardboard and dry burger - all meat tissues, no fat.
    Japanese would prefer something of quality and not just because something is expensive. They have their Kobe beef. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_beef

  4. Reminds me of an old joke by symbolset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Q: How can you know why somebody is a vegan?

    A: Don't worry. He'll tell you.

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  5. Re:At $325K a burger that is not reality by NettiWelho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, just because the first computer took millions to build and maintain didn't make it real.

  6. Re:I dont want to live on this planet anymore by dingen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are you so negative about lab grown meat? No more animal suffering, a lot less impact on the environment, what's not to like?

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  7. The price is perfectly realistic, really... by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Funny

    The price is perfectly realistic, really; in fact, it's quite well thought-out. By the time these are ready for large-scale roll-out, inflation will have caught up nicely.

  8. Re:I dont want to live on this planet anymore by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    GMO agriculture by a fascist system (Monsanto and govt) HFCS in one form or another is in almost everything, now this (lab grown meat), i seen enough of this planet and i want off

    The upside is that you're still going to be able to have burgers without having to figure out how to herd cattle in space.

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  9. Re:The dream? Really? by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So, you only eat meat from wild Aurochs you caught yourself? How is modern agri-business farming not cultured? From selectively breeding only the "best" animals, to force-growing them with anti-biotics and raising them in CAFO

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAFO

    Yup, not cultured at all.

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  10. Obligatory by guttentag · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ted: "We're talking about growing meat in a lab without cows."
    Linda: "Ugh! That's creepy!... Right?... Oh, I see, we're doing that."

    Artificial Beef Taste Tester: "It tastes... familiar..."
    Ted: "Beef?"
    Taste Tester: "No..."
    Linda: "Chicken? We'll take chicken."
    Taste Tester: Shakes his head
    Ted: "What does it taste like?"
    Taste Tester: "Despair?"
    Ted: "Is it possible it just needs salt?"
    Taste Tester: Shakes his head very slowly

    Better Off Ted, Season 1 Episode 2

  11. Bacon ftw. by Nyder · · Score: 5, Funny

    First they replaced my natural flavor with imitation, and I ate it anyways.
    Second they replaced sugar with corn syrup, and I kept on getting fatter.
    Then they replaced my natural crops with genetic modified crops, and I kept eating.
    Now they are trying to replace my natural cow grown meat with vat grown meat? WTF?
    When will this stop? We are very close to losing bacon in the name of progress.

    Think of the bacon, this must be stopped.

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    1. Re:Bacon ftw. by labnet · · Score: 5, Funny

      Think of the bacon, this must be stopped.

      Ten years ago we had Steve Jobs, Johnny Cash, and Bob Hope. Now we have no Jobs, no Cash and no Hope. Please God don't let Kevin Bacon die!

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  12. Re:The dream? Really? by Jartan · · Score: 4, Informative

    When I dream of a juicy hamburger its sure the hell ain't cultured meat.

    Eventually there could be several advantages over your "real" burger actually.

    1) No need to grind it up. Grow it in the proper shape/texture and cook.
    2) You can cook it as rare as you like.
    3) Get the exact amount of fat you want so your burger is in fact juicy.
    4) High quality cuts might be mass producible.

  13. Re: I dont want to live on this planet anymore by crmarvin42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't jump to conclusions. Every attempt I've ever heard of at cultured meat, or any other tissue for that matter, has been highly dependent upon nutrient solutions derived from living animals. Many are based on animal blood, some on liver or other tissue. I'd bet far FAR more animals went into this over prices burger than would have been necessary for the McDonalds my family had for lunch yesterday.

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  14. Re:Speaking as a meat eater... by blue+trane · · Score: 4, Funny

    Were you a slave-owner in a previous life?

  15. Re:Speaking as a meat eater... by multiben · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not my fault if my employees fail to negotiate good working conditions.

  16. Re:Japanese by DasSquid · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The main issue with Kobe beef is that... well... it is all marketing. I live in Japan and I import meat from Australia, I know the industry well. The cultural difference between here and Australia in regards to agriculture is mind blowing. In Japan, tradition is king. If you do not do what your region/your family tells you, then the price of your cow will plummet, I've been to the cattle auctions here and they really are an interesting artifact.

    As per the wiki article, the Tajima cow is the only cow considered for this meat, what it fails to mention is that the Tajima is just an Angus, and indeed an Angus that is brought up in conditions I do not agree with. They are brought up in a very small area, not allowed to exercise so as to get that delicious marbling. After visiting these farms I feel much better about how my cows are brought up in Australia, with one cow having an average of 2 acres as opposed to 20 square feet.

    Anyway, rant aside Kobe beef just isn't all that good in comparison to the other meats available in Japan as they're all the same damned breed being brought up exactly the same, Japanese tradition just dictates that it's more expensive and 'better'.

  17. Did I hear... by grumpyman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anonymous McDonor?