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Georgia Tech and Udacity Partner for Online M.S. in Computer Science

Georgia Tech and Udacity — the online courseware project led by Sebastian Thrun — have announced a plan to offer an accredited M.S. Computer Science program online. The two organizations are also working with AT&T. This is the first time a major university has made an actual degree available solely through the MOOC format. Getting a degree in this manner is going to be much cheaper than a traditional degree: "... students also will pay a fraction of the cost of traditional on-campus master’s programs; total tuition for the program is initially expected to be below $7,000." U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said, "Massive open online courses (MOOCs) have quickly become one of the most significant catalysts of innovation in higher education. As parents know all too well, America urgently needs new ideas about how to make higher education accessible and affordable. This new collaboration between Georgia Tech, AT&T and Udacity, and the application of the MOOC concept to advanced-degree programs, will further the national debate — pushing from conversations about technology to new models of instruction and new linkages between higher education and employers." Georgia Tech is looking at the big picture: "At present, around 160,000 master’s degrees are bestowed in the United States every year in computer science and related subject disciplines; the worldwide market is almost certainly much larger, perhaps even an order of magnitude larger."

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  1. damn kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I actually had to go to school and meet people and have sex with girls. Now you can just do it from your mom's basement? you kids have it so much better these days,

  2. I have a suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For all those Silicon Valley Tech companies that can't get "qualified" people, might I suggest they use their billions and pay for us unqualified Americans?

    It'll be a tax write-off and great PR - "We understand that there's a problem with STEM education in this country and we're going to help. We need qualified people, so we're going to be good corporate citizens."

    They won't do it though because they are all full of shit. There is no shortage and they'd rather of H1-Bs.

    They'd rather spend their money on lobbying Congress, legal fees for getting around laws, etc... than actually solving the "problem" - which doesn't exist, anyway.

    1. Re:I have a suggestion by Required+Snark · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mod this up. H1-B visas are the new indentured servitude, which is why US corporations want an unlimited supply. The STEM shortage is bogus.

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    2. Re:I have a suggestion by TWiTfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They tried to hire you, dude. But for some reason you wouldn't take the generous $15,000-year/no-benefits package they offered, so they had to import Sanjay.

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    3. Re:I have a suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't that what this is? Enrollment is coming from AT&T & GT corporate affiliates and a lot of the funding is coming from AT&T.

      All they said was

      partly supported by a generous gift from AT&T,

      Define "generous". $100? $1,000, $10,000 $1,000,000? $Billion?

      And where is the money from Microsoft, Facebook, Intel, IBM, Oracle, and every other Silicon Valley company that's bitching about not being able to get "qualified" people?

      Why didn't THEY do this first? Stodgy old AT&T got in first?

      Why isn't this program free? And don't give me this BS that by charging money you'll get the "serious" students. Take a FREE class on Coursera sometime and you'll see how serious we are.

      Back in the days when Silicon Valley were true innovators - back when Hewlet Packard, Fairchild Semiconductor or those greats were paving the way to our modern economy with real innovation and brilliance, they never bitched about "we can't get qualified people! Waaaa!"

      Hell no! They wrote checks to the local universities and said, make us some engineers.

      Did they say, "We need people to hti the ground running!"

      Hell no. They took new grads, had them work under an old fart for a while (or they figured everything out for themselves for REALLY new stuff) and groomed.

      Today's Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are nothing but over-entitled posers who just want to suck everything they can out of us.

    4. Re:I have a suggestion by lightknight · · Score: 2

      But...but...the law says they have to offer a locally competitive salary that-*snort* yeah, it was pretty much proven bullsh*t recently. Surprising that it took a leftist (hah) think-tank (haha) looking at economics (basic supply and demand) to realize that if the wages for STEMs have remained stagnant this past decade, there can't be a shortage. It's soooo blindingly obvious, yet apparently the legislature, which is being told to ram through that bill at top speed (did it go through, anyone?), needs a think-tank to tell them it's going in the wrong direction.

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    5. Re:I have a suggestion by ranton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... to realize that if the wages for STEMs have remained stagnant this past decade, there can't be a shortage. It's soooo blindingly obvious ...

      While I am not a fan of our H1B program, stagnant wages do not mean there is no a shortage. If there is a shortage of Doctors then the wages will go up because everyone wants to live forever. If there is a shortage of Lawyers then wages will go up because no one wants to be a pro se defendent. But if there is a shortage of IT workers then most companies just hold off on upgrading their old systems because they would have to pay too much.

      If we stopped the H1B program, wages for IT would certainly go up. But innovation and improvements in IT would go down because companies would have to be much more careful about where they spend their money. Foreign companies wouldn't have to worry about this, because they would still have access to cheap labor, and US companies would start falling behind (or at least lose some of their edge).

      So there is a shortage of IT workers. There is a shortage of IT workers that companies would be willing to pay. And that is a problem not only for these companies, as it would become a problem for the whole country if we turned off the spigot and lost our lead in tech to the rest of the world.

      I don't know what the real answer for this is, because as I said before I think our current system isn't a very good solution. But the solution, and even correct diagnosis of the problem, are not as "blindingly obvious" as you make it seem.

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    6. Re:I have a suggestion by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 2

      Yes, that's why most of the "Sanjay"s I see , drive around in BMWs, and Acuras, and Audis. Seriously try finding a single "Sanjay" imported in US, who works for those wages.

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    7. Re:I have a suggestion by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      most companies just hold off on upgrading their old systems because they would have to pay too much.

      For most [competent] companies, the ROI of an IT system is much greater than the marginal difference in IT worker wages, or else they wouldn't be implementing them in the first place.

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    8. Re:I have a suggestion by ranton · · Score: 2

      If an industry colludes to either suppress wages or change laws to increase the labor pool (lowering certification and licensing standards or H-1Bs) wages won't reflect supply and demand trends

      I completely agree with that. In fact, it was pretty much the entire point of my post. But the rest of my post was dealing with whether or not this is still a good thing for the country. If US companies had to deal with the supply and demand of only US IT workers, but the rest of the world was able to use the entire global supply and demand of IT workers, I think it would do great harm to our country.

      I understand that this is just my opinion, but I think it is a pretty reasonable one.

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  3. In the internet no knows you are a dog. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is all well and good when you want to learn something over the net. But if you start giving degrees over the net, the system will be gamed almost instantly. Already in traditional universities, there is cheating going on. There are people in India with advanced degrees willing to do your homework for you for ridiculously low prices. Now they will do your entire coursework for you on a turn key basis. Send in a cheque, and they do all the work and you get the degree.

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    1. Re:In the internet no knows you are a dog. by Salgak1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That might get you TO an interview, but I very much doubt that your example of offshoring your own coursework will get you past the first technical interview. You simply cannot BS your way past demonstrating technical depth.

      CAVEAT: I got MY Masters in MIS entirely online. I also put 20+ hours a week into it for over two years to do so, on top of a full-time job. As always, reward is commensurate with effort expended.

    2. Re:In the internet no knows you are a dog. by borcharc · · Score: 2

      I found in person MBA to be a complete joke at a "prestigious" regional school. I can't say I am surprised that you had similar experience with an online MPA. Graduate management programs are a joke.

    3. Re:In the internet no knows you are a dog. by Yebyen · · Score: 2

      Have you looked at the courses at Udacity? They are more advanced topics than the ones discussed at my undergraduate computer science program, which admittedly can no longer be found in any of the Top Computer Science Ranking lists (wtf? last time I checked, Rochester Institute of Technology was ranked next to Carnegie Mellon for computer science undergrad); but back to Udacity, I have not taken their courses, but browsing the course catalog I got a strong impression that if they are anything like they appear on the surface, the coursework is rich and engaging.

      Take a look at the coursework before you make that judgement, especially if you are in a hiring position. I would consider this option for my MS in Comp Sci, you can't beat the price.

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  4. How about offer a BS first? by TWiTfan · · Score: 2

    Does any reputable university even offer a BS in computer science at present? For a field you would think would be at the cutting edge, I've found in the past that there are very few (reputable, not some Devry shit), if any, CS degree programs online.

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    1. Re:How about offer a BS first? by jlf278 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It makes more sense to offer a Masters program online than a Bachelors. Masters programs stick strictly to one discipline and are often targeted toward working professionals who would not benefit from extracurricular activities, living on campus, having access to abundant campus resources, job placement services, etc. Offering a Bachelors degree online means you have to get the whole university represented for general education classes and some of the normal gen ed requirements (e.g. speech and communications class) might be impractical to replicate online.

    2. Re:How about offer a BS first? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      That is because online courses make it very easy to cheat.

      A simple work around, would be that all exams are given at some proctored location. So you take a test with folks taking exams for all kinds of other degrees and you can come in any time to take it. This means you really only need one such testing center per major city.

      Another factor is makes these degrees more available, which lessons their attractiveness to normal students. My university switched from quarters to semesters and retention went way up, as a grad I know this means my degree has now been devalued. If they let people google their way to a degree, or could hire out their course work online, my degree would be worth even less.

    3. Re:How about offer a BS first? by JLavezzo · · Score: 2
  5. What about Undergrad classes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those who wish to pursue the online MSCS, but who do not already have a BSCS, I wonder if this program will offer the requisite undergraduate CS classes.

    I have a BSEE and MSECE from Georgia Tech and wouldn't mind doing something like this if I could get the undergrad part online as well. It's a long drive from here to Atlanta.

    1. Re:What about Undergrad classes? by White+Flame · · Score: 2

      I would rather they not offer requisite undergraduate classes, and simply allow anybody to enroll. If you're already good enough to be post-BS in CS, you'll keep up. If you aren't prepared or can't keep up otherwise, you fail.

      Enforced prerequisites are simply a cash draw; ostensibly they should only be recommendations to guide student decisions.

  6. Re:so help me to understand this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is an incredibly short sighted view of why these institutions are interested in this.

    Georgia Tech:
    The CS department has consistently been at the forefront of improving the educational process. They started the Threads curricula which was praised a few years back for looking at computer science as a holistic process rather that just a technical effort. This extends that push towards providing a full educational experience to the most people possible. It is currently very difficult for a working professional to take the time to participate in an on campus degree program unless they are lucky enough to live in the same city.

    Udacity:
    This is a great opportunity to legitimize the online course offerings they already give. As well as giving them an opportunity to expand this offering if this pilot is successful.

    AT&T:
    Already spends a lot of money in tuition assistance and lost productivity for it's employees to go back to school for their masters. If they can reduce the cost and lost time, that's a win/win for them. Not to mention the publicity.

    But to take cheap digs at a school for it's geographic location, as well as the other ad hominem attacks against the other participants, doesn't really show any insight into the program they are creating.

    PS. I am an alumnus in CS from GA Tech.

  7. but IT needs more hands on classes / more of a app by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    but IT needs more hands on classes / more of a apprenticeship system. As CS is not IT and at some schools CS missis the mark in giving you skills to do even coding work.

  8. Re:Devry is not shit if any think just being part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Devry is not shit if any think just being part of the older collgle system is holding it back now if they you can say take a class in X skill from Devy and have it mean something that shows it will be nice.

    This is just priceless.

    English motherfucker, do you speak it?

    DeVry and ITT are shitstains right up there with University of Phoenix.

  9. Re:Seriously by Yebyen · · Score: 2

    You tricked me. I actually clicked the link expecting to see Clown College ranked among computer science institutes.

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  10. You get what you pay for by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why isn't this program free? And don't give me this BS that by charging money you'll get the "serious" students.

    The issue with "free" is not about how serious the students are it is about how serious the accreditation of those students is. Frankly I would not give any worth to a degree based only on online tests and assignments taken remotely. There is no way to guarantee that the person taking the tests is the person that they say they are. To do this you need some physical verification i.e. the exam has to be held where someone can physically verify who is taking the exam and that they are following the exam rules. You also need someone to setup a new exam each time and grade the responses: this is not "free" someone has to be paid to do this as well as develop and maintain the software to run the course, regularly update the course materials to e.g. make examples more relevant etc. etc.

    In essence the old adage "you get what you pay for" applies. Online degrees may be a lot cheaper and, with physical verification of students for exams and important tests, they may gain value but those that remain free will likely have very little value attached to their accreditation. That does not mean that you cannot still learn a lot from such free courses but it will mean that you will have no paper to prove that you know the material. So, in essence, they would be the high tech equivalent of reading a book.