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LulzSec Hackers Sentenced To Short Prison Terms
mask.of.sanity writes with news of the jail sentences for three members of LulzSec. From the article: "Three members of the hacktivist group LulzSec have been sentenced to a total of six years in prison. Ryan Ackroyd, Jake Davis and Mustafa al-Bassam were charged with attacks on the Serious Organised Crime Agency, Sony, Nintendo, 20th Century Fox and governments and police forces in a 50-day spree in the summer of 2011. Davis was sentenced to 24 months in a young offender's institution and he will serve half of the sentence. Al-Bassam received a 20-month sentence, suspended for two years and 300 hours unpaid work. Ackroyd was given a 30-month sentence; he will serve half. Cleary also pleaded guilty to possession of child abuse images following a second arrest on October 4, 2012. He will be sentenced at separate hearing."
The Guardian has a short article on the remaining loose ends in the story of LulzSec.
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It's six years if you add up the maximum time for all three sentences combined. Two of them will only have to serve half of their time and the other one is getting no prison time at all. That seems pretty fair to me.
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He's not mentioned in the summary.
at least they didn't download some music or a movie while they were doing this. They may have had to pay millions in restitution as well...
Next time, read more than the first sentence in your quest to get first post.
Since when does being a Socialist mean 'someone who has a different opinion than me'?
Considering the millions of dollars of damage they did you think it is out of line?
It's 6 years in total, for 3 people, and they are only going to serve half (or, in one case, less) of their sentences assuming they can keep their shit together.
It's out of scale because they provided a humorous service to the internet.
Why UNIX?
Which is exactly what the criminals were hoping you'd say. Rather than say "each received sentences of 15-24 months," it packs more punch to word it ambiguously, and leave people feeling sorry for these punk kids who "got sentenced to up to 6 years in prison! For minor crimes!"
"24 months in a young offender's institution and he will serve half of the sentence" = 12 months in juvie. Poor kid, he'll have to leave his mom's basement for a year.
"20 month sentence, suspended for 2 years and 300 hours unpaid work" = keep out of trouble, and do 300 hours of community service over the next 2 years, and he doesn't go to prison at all.
"30 month sentence, he will serve half" = 15 months in prison. The harshest of the penalties, and still a pretty fucking light sentence.
Rape can get you imprisoned up to and including a life sentence in the UK, Not sure where you get that there's a "maximum of 5 years" for rape. In fact, the most lenient of the "starting points" and "typical ranges" list 5 years at the LOW end of the punishment, before aggravating/mitigating factors are considered.
tl;dr: fuck your idiotic ignorance of the law.
"30 month sentence, he will serve half" = 15 months in prison. The harshest of the penalties, and still a pretty fucking light sentence.
I doubt he'll even have to serve it in prison. They'll probably stick him in some county jail for "1 year + 5 month" term. They tend to do that for people convicted of "white collar" crimes who receive sentences for two years or less.
Sorry, brain not in gear yet. That should be "1 year + 3 month".
Don't you mean billions of dollars? If you're going to pull figures out of your ass you might as well go big.
See, this is why Anons wear masks and hide their identity. When you split off and try to form a name for yourself, and get a little fame, you narrow the search field. it makes it much easier to find and identify people like that.
In the modern day, you must be able to disapear in the masses.
Considering a trillion dollars worth of security fraud goes completely unpunished, this is way out of scale.
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County jail is worse than prison. And these are federal crimes, so they'll probably spend it in a federal prison.
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None of them are serving 6 years, the sum of their sentences is 6 years. Did you bother reading the summary?
Are you on crack? Prison is far worse than county.
Maricopa County is real bad
These aren't short prison terms by UK standards. It's uncommon to get sentenced to more than two years for computer crime. Ryan Cleary, who got the longest sentence, apparently ran a large botnet for hire, when he wasn't doing it for the lulz. Bot herders tend to get treated relatively severely (rightly so IMHO).
"It is not necessary for us to think we can do only one thing and suspend everything else."
- Barack Obama
So is San Quentin.
Rape has a maximum sentence of life imprisonment in the UK
Well it is actually an average about 2 years of punishment, with most of them getting time out.
But if you think about it how much time should you really put someone in jail for in a white collar crime.
The idea of a Jail is more about keeping dangerous/people who will run away people in a place where they cannot escape to create more harm to the community.
For punishment a year or two in jail, is often enough to get the idea what you did was wrong, enough time to break you. Especially for kids where a year seems like a much longer time then it would be for someone in their middle adult years.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Prison is for long term stays. They have a library, exercise facilities, chapel (if you're into that sort of thing). County is for holding people. They provide only the absolute minimum necessary to keep the person alive, if you're lucky.
Check out this thread from people with experience on both sides. I'll quote:
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You are far less likely to be assaulted, raped or killed in county jail and the inmates are kept separated by colour (severity of crime). In prison, you're thrown in with all of the major criminals, many of whom are serving life sentences.
I have spent a week in a county jail. Most of the time was spent chit-chatting with the other people in the same pod and reading books.
That's a pretty stupid way to announce it...
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So, if you wonder how the good hackers become bad hackers and start to work for money.....here it goes.
And as long as you're not stupid enough to live in such a hickish place, it's probably not the case.
The headlines on slashdot are not leading AT ALL. Now be a good little tool and think outrage like the poster intended you to.
Are you on crack? Prison is far worse than county.
Sorry, but not always accurate.
When I was in county they served some of the nastiest food I've ever seen. Everyone kept saying how much better the food was in state...
I'll take prison over county any day, It's honestly the difference between molding bread/fruit and freshly baked pizza. The inmates likened it to the US Army v. US Navy when it comes to rations. The longer you're away from civility, the better the meals have to be. Even the inmates that worked in the kitchen were retentive about how food was prepared and served.
This is England. There's no such distinction.
OR drive by it. Arizona Motto: "Come on vacation, leave on probation"
It is, I've no idea why the British press do this. (Maybe they do it elsewhere as well, I dunno.)
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The 2008 financial crisis caused the destruction of far, far more wealth than *ALL PROPERTY CRIME PUT TOGETHER*. If we chose to do "only one thing and suspend everything else", that is prosecute the criminals behind the 2008 financial crisis, and ignore all other property crimes, we'd still be ahead of where we are now.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't think the sentences are reasonable. However, given how insane recent sentences have been for any computer related crime, I fully expected all of them to get 50 years with billions of dollars of fines.
15 Months is a light sentence? That's over 3% of his remaining (expected) life span. I guess you could consider it light compared to what other people get in a police state ... but saying something isn't bad because it is the lesser of evils doesn't seem right.
Yeah, they'll probably get locked away at Leavenworth with Bradley Manning, man! Because the US government is crazy in their overreach in prosecuting harmless 'criminals'!
Oh wait, no, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, either.
They were tried & sentenced by a court in London, so it's pretty fucking unlikely that: a) these are 'federal crimes' and b) they'll spend their time in a 'federal prison.'
It is, I've no idea why the British press do this. (Maybe they do it elsewhere as well, I dunno.)
Profit. This is the most profitable way to put the news.
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How is your post even remotely insightful when its terribly wrong?
Under federal law, the punishment for rape can range from a fine to life imprisonment. The severity of the punishment is based on the use of violence, the age of the victim, and whether drugs or intoxicants were used to override consent. If the perpetrator is a repeat offender the law prescribes automatically doubling the maximum sentence.
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Yes, 15 months is a light sentence.
Sending criminals to jail is not a bug, it's a feature. Stop trying to make it out like this is some sort of judicial and governmental overreach - these kids were caught breaking the law, they stood trial, and they were found guilty. They will spend a very small amount of time being incarcerated for their crimes, and when they are out, they will hopefully have learned that behaving like a criminal results in punishment, and so avoid behaving like a criminal again.
Great, first figure out what portion of the "trillions of dollars" lost during the crisis were lost as a direct result of *criminal activity.*
Then we can talk about punishing the specific people responsible, instead of lashing out at anybody who "makes more than a million dollars a year!" as if being financially successful automatically criminalizes you.
And these are federal crimes, so they'll probably spend it in a federal prison.
Doubtful, unless the US tries to extradite them from the UK. Despite one of the targets being the USAF they would still face some opposition in the face of the McKinnon debacle.
If God forks the Universe every time you roll a die, he'd better have a damned good memory.
But there are distinctions made among prisoners that determine where you end up. . .
Prisoner security categories in the United Kingdom
Assuming you make it so far as prison . . .
In soft-bellied Britain, it's hard to stay in prison for long. Even getting into jail is difficult
Might be a tougher ride in the future.
Do prisoners get a cushy ride in British jails?
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Yes, yes it is.
They are British. County/federal doesn't apply
But there are distinctions made among prisoners that determine where you end up. . .
Of course, but that's in terms of security. Not severity of punishment. Though I'm sure the harshness does vary in practice, I'd imagine most of that is who you have to share the prison with. Maximum security murderers or minimum security computer hackers and politicians...
I've never seen it done that way in the US.
Wheat gets you a life sentance in the uk?
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IRS Melt Down -- more to come Friday and Monday. Popcorn a popp'n !
Benghazi -- Why was HillBilly so intent on killing the 'Ambassador' and making it look like incompetence ?
DoD Sex Scandals a Roll'n like a M1-A Tank !
Boston What ? The Boston PD is really pulling some duzzies with the 'Note' from the 'Boat'; Hay BPD wrote the book on planting fabricated 'evidence.'
And what about the Blond Wig in Moscow ? Did the CIA really pay this jerk real money ? This Week's 'Real Looser' Award Winner for sure.
Is Obama Nixon ? Hell NO ! Obama is a transvestite disparately trying to Impersonate Nixon. Yet, Obama can still enjoy a prison cell that Tricky Dick avoided ! What ? Oh Yea ! Tricky Dick was evil, Obama is just a putz surrounded by 1.6 million putz's !
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I don't understand how it raises profits. Is it because the infamous Average Joe doesn't want to add up the sentences himself but cares about the total sum for some reason? Or do bigger numbers sell more papers? If the latter, maybe they should try something like "...sentenced to a total of one hundredth of 600 years."
Mod this man up. The categories are relevent.
I know someone personally (not a friend, but went to school with them) who hit and killed someone with his car driving 60mph in a 30mph zone.
Not a single day spent in prison.
So to be fair, you can do things that are, in the grand scheme of things much more awful, and still get a much lighter sentence.
How long have you spent in prison?
Very small amount as in "it doesn't completely destroy their life", which makes complete sense if you are united stationarian who's gotten used to life sentences over stealing fucking bubblegum.
More drama == more eyeballs == more revenue
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The 2008 financial crisis caused the destruction of far, far more wealth than *ALL PROPERTY CRIME PUT TOGETHER*. If we chose to do "only one thing and suspend everything else", that is prosecute the criminals behind the 2008 financial crisis, and ignore all other property crimes, we'd still be ahead of where we are now.
but it was destruction of value which never was in the first place, doh.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
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No, the US press never does anything like this at all.
"Aaron Swartz faced 30 YEARS IN PRISON* for just downloading some papers! Of course he killed himself because of these charges!"
(* - well, except prosecution had offered a plea bargain that would have put him in prison for "months")
(* - well, except even if he refused the plea, prosecution had expressed their intent to seek about 1/5 of the maximum penalty)
(* - well, except 30 years is the MAXIMUM penalty under the law he could have gotten if he were found guilty and the judge decided to impose the maximum possible penalty under the law - very unlikely given the circumstances.)
(* - but other than these caveats, we totally stand by our statement that he "faced 30 years in prison!")
He faced "30 years in prison," the way I face "certain death by terrorism" when I leave my home every morning - when somebody's playing up a highly unlikely outcome with incendiary language, ask yourself what their agenda is - it sure as shit isn't "reporting the news."
No, very small amount as in, "I spent 4 years at college, these guys will barely spend two semesters worth of time imprisoned." (And come out of jail with a semester or two worth of credits from a distance learning program, unless their numb cunts.)
It doesn't completely destroy their life - it doesn't come anywhere CLOSE to "completely destroying their life." I really wish this notion that "it's okay to be a criminal, we won't really punish you in any way that's inconvenient for you," would end.
I said it didn't do that. 10 years would and the difference is only of a magnitude here.
Besides, you have to be complete idiot if you think college and prison are comparable.
He's wrong, and though you're right in spirit, you're wrong too, as this took place in England.
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