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Florida Activates System For Citizens To Call Each Other Terrorists

An anonymous reader writes "Sheriffs in 13 Northeast Florida counties announced an online system Thursday for residents to report suspicious activity they think may be terrorism-related. The site provides examples of red flags to watch for, such as people with an unusual interest in building plans or who are purchasing materials useful in bomb making. Important places to watch include hobby stores and dive shops."

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  1. The Haystack by Mystakaphoros · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because the best way to find a needle in a haystack is to dump increasing amounts of hay on top.

    1. Re: The Haystack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is kinda funny to see so many references to needles and haystacks crop up since Schneier said that, but despite the unoriginality of the people who quote it, I think the reason it's so often quoted is that Schneier managed to finally articulate something a lot of intelligent (but not so eloquent) people have been thinking for a long time. Ditto with XKCD -- it taps deep into the geek mind and displays the results with wit and elan. People read Schneier (or XKCD) and because they are well-written and well presented, they think "oh my gosh, he *gets* it." So of course they're going to repeat it.

      Anyway, snark all you want, but the unoriginality of an oft-quoted argument has no bearing on the merits of said argument.

    2. Re:The Haystack by c · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because the best way to find a needle in a haystack is to dump increasing amounts of hay on top.

      I thought it was to burn the entire field to the ground, then sift the ashes over a magnet?

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  2. Dear Sen, McCarthy by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have here in my hand a list of all the people I suspect of terrorism. It includes many of my business competitors and personal acquaintances I find annoying or otherwise repulsive. For example, you'll see on page 5 I've included Ms. Johnson from down the street who lets her dog shit in my yard and never cleans up after it. I've noticed her making furtive glances at my front window while the dog is dumping and I'm pretty sure she's making notes of when I'm not home so she can steal the propane tank from my Grillmaster and use it in her reign of terror.

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  3. Re:Really??? by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, you use 9-1-1 for real threats involving actual terrorists.
    This is for increasing the level of fear in citizens in order to make privacy invasion more acceptable.

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  4. Glad I'm in Pennsylvania by scotts13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...Otherwise, I'd be spending all my time talking to the cops. I'd probably set off every single alarm that's on their "suspicious activity" list. I'm active in hobby rocketry, and sometimes transport my engines in surplus bazooka shell cases. Plus, the girlfriend is a dive instructor.

    Hey, anyone remember the 50's and 60's? One the AWFUL things were were told about the Soviet system was the constant suspicion - people encouraged to turn in their neighbors, children encouraged to turn in their parents... (SIGH)

  5. Witchcraft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, if you replace the word 'terrorism' with 'witchcraft' - it sort of reads like a document from Salem, MA circa 1692.

  6. Re:Really??? by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For one, they'll probably report some statistics for "dozens of reports of possible terrorist threats each day".
    Secondly, the mere existence of the reporting tool means people get reminded of terrorism more often.
    Finally, "Where there's smoke, there's fire"; this is the smokescreen (bad pun, sorry).

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  7. Re:Really??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) The fact this program ('report suspected terrorists') exists must mean that there are terrorists out there. I'm afraid.

    2) I need to buy a new pressure cooker for the big meal I'm cooking... what if I get reported as a possible terrorist?? I'm afraid.

  8. Re:Really??? by Mystakaphoros · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is for increasing the level of fear in citizens in order to make privacy invasion more acceptable.

    And since it will be the police getting the reports, how do you figure it will increase the level of fear in citizens?

    The first time local law enforcement says, "Reports of terrorism are up 900% this year; we need an increased budget to deal with the increased threat."

  9. Re:Really??? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny

    911 is for emergencies. They are looking for tips.

    Here is tip, comrade, everyone is a terrorist, but me!

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  10. Re:Well color me not surprised. by miffo.swe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The Stasi was primarily an organ of political control"

    Do you think for one second that Stasi did not use the exact same rhetoric as NSA, Homeland Security etc? What they did and what people in east germany thought they did are not at all the same.

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  11. Soviet Russia won, after all. by Moskit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is exactly the methods used in Soviet Russia and other countries with similar political system.

    For years various such countries lived under communism, and they finally got rid of it 25 years ago. For years USA was hailed as the "country of freedom", and it recently adopts communist-like methods.

    In California if you want to purchase medicaments, they check your ID and input your date of birth to the cash register, because law prohibits sale of medicaments (known to Americans as "drugs") to minors.
    You also need to provide your ID and date of birth if you purchase a knife sharpener (made in China, of course). Sales of knives to minors is prohibited, and knife sharpeners are put under the same "knife" type of merchandise.
    Heck, you cannot even buy something as simple as contact lenses without a prescription! Apparently it is too dangerous for people to buy without doctor approval. Must be true, so many people in Europe die because they bought wrong lenses, right?

    Combine this all with extensive spying on their own citizens, security theatre (most visibly by TSA) and now encouraging citizens to spy on the others... Stalin would have been proud!

    What next? USA remake of Pavlik Morozov?
    Wait, they already have people sue their parents... some will surely chose to denounce instead.

    (note: this is slightly on pessimist side to compensate for the optimists out there who will surely reply "nah, it's not an issue, we don't have a problem")

  12. Re:There your country goes... by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    What? Over? Did you say "over"?

    Nothing is over until we decide it is!

    Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

    And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...

  13. Re:Really??? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, that should work out well for them; I mean, it's not like Florida is filled with geriatrics who find everyone under the age of 50 to be suspect, right?

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  14. Re:Really??? by screwdriver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pretty soon it will be illegal to have a hobby. Just consume your goods and go to work like a good little citizen. I'd rather be a victim of a terrorist than live in that society.