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Florida Activates System For Citizens To Call Each Other Terrorists
An anonymous reader writes "Sheriffs in 13 Northeast Florida counties announced an online system Thursday for residents to report suspicious activity they think may be terrorism-related. The site provides examples of red flags to watch for, such as people with an unusual interest in building plans or who are purchasing materials useful in bomb making. Important places to watch include hobby stores and dive shops."
Can't they just call 9-1-1???
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With enough reporting, they might catch a single person who once thought about some act of terror. But wait, isn't that different from a terrorist attack?
Oh well, let Florida sort it out, they're good at that.
Because the best way to find a needle in a haystack is to dump increasing amounts of hay on top.
What can possibly go wrong?
I have here in my hand a list of all the people I suspect of terrorism. It includes many of my business competitors and personal acquaintances I find annoying or otherwise repulsive. For example, you'll see on page 5 I've included Ms. Johnson from down the street who lets her dog shit in my yard and never cleans up after it. I've noticed her making furtive glances at my front window while the dog is dumping and I'm pretty sure she's making notes of when I'm not home so she can steal the propane tank from my Grillmaster and use it in her reign of terror.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
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I am just looking at my hate list and deciding who deserves more more than just a minor SWATting....
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As a relatively reclusive person with an electronics "lab" in my garage with the door always open I can see it now.. Police barge in and force me to the ground. "what is this device? it's used for making bombs isn't it!" "no sir.. that is called an oscilloscope." Hell, that might be enough to ship me off to gitmo, but I'm white so probably not.
...right down the drain.
I genuinely don't know what to say to Americans now. It's not like they can just pack up and move to the next country over. But I sure as hell wouldn't be staying another week if I was there... what a sad ending to a country with great promise.
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...Otherwise, I'd be spending all my time talking to the cops. I'd probably set off every single alarm that's on their "suspicious activity" list. I'm active in hobby rocketry, and sometimes transport my engines in surplus bazooka shell cases. Plus, the girlfriend is a dive instructor.
Hey, anyone remember the 50's and 60's? One the AWFUL things were were told about the Soviet system was the constant suspicion - people encouraged to turn in their neighbors, children encouraged to turn in their parents... (SIGH)
chemical (water processing etc) engineers are interested in one of the country's largest man made chemical(water) processing structure.
shocking!
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
You mean the sheriffs? The politicians? The newspaper editors? Who exactly do you want us to report all of?
Maybe it should be a poll:
Who should we focus on when making reports about terrorism in Florida:
* The local police department.
* A state or federal police-related department.
* The local judiciary
* State or federal judiciary
* State politicians
* Federal politicians
* Newspaper editors
* Cowboy Neal
Wow, if you replace the word 'terrorism' with 'witchcraft' - it sort of reads like a document from Salem, MA circa 1692.
Double plus good! Vote "Fascist" for a seventh glorius decade of secure stability!
Perhaps we could call the terrorist hotline and report a black car with tinted windows. I just saw the driver looking around suspiciously as he sat in the car and just before he closed the door, I noticed he was carrying a pistol out in the open and had what seemed to be a sawed off shotgun in the front seat. He spoke using a lot of codes, as if they were second nature to him. I strongly suspect this individual to be involved in a rather large, well organized group who seems to want to harass and harm people. I think he's either a terrorist or a government agent in an unmarked car.... it is so hard to tell the difference these days.
Then wouldn't dropping out of school be suspicious?
Not in Florida, unfortunately.
There is a war going on for your mind.
Should I report Mike Holmes alone, or do I need to name each member of his crew
I'm a chemical engineer, and I too visited several water and wastewater treatment facilities while in college. The whole class went at the same time on these "field trips." But, from TFA:
All of the "field trips" we took were during the day, and never "shortly after midnight." And, the trips were made while we were still in school, not after we graduated. The actions of these people seem very suspicious to me.
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State Police say there were no warrants or advisories on any of the individuals and "there was no evidence that the seven were committing any crime beyond the trespassing."
How does that justify a tip line for people to report suspected terrorist activity?
Even if those people were trying to poison the water, that reservoir holds 412 billion gallons of water. You would have to dump tanker truck loads of poison it before you'd have any chance of making anyone sick.
There's simply no way that seven people trespassing can carry enough of anything to have any real effect, yet that's exactly the sort of thing that would get reported to the tip line (along with crazy people reporting their neighbors and all the people reporting Florida Man).
I immediately (certainly didn't RTFA) thought of the retirees already staking out the pressure cookers at Wal-Mart.
Now they'll have a # to call, this should save the 911 operators a lot of grief.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
So when I pull the plans for my home and the neighbors, then purchase stump remover and fertilizer I can expect a visit from the cops? If I have a pool I am double screwed?
Bomb materials are quite often things that have very many innocent uses. Last time I was at homedepot I saw no bomb aisle. I did see a pool section and a garden section that would give you just about everything you needed.
This is exactly the methods used in Soviet Russia and other countries with similar political system.
For years various such countries lived under communism, and they finally got rid of it 25 years ago. For years USA was hailed as the "country of freedom", and it recently adopts communist-like methods.
In California if you want to purchase medicaments, they check your ID and input your date of birth to the cash register, because law prohibits sale of medicaments (known to Americans as "drugs") to minors.
You also need to provide your ID and date of birth if you purchase a knife sharpener (made in China, of course). Sales of knives to minors is prohibited, and knife sharpeners are put under the same "knife" type of merchandise.
Heck, you cannot even buy something as simple as contact lenses without a prescription! Apparently it is too dangerous for people to buy without doctor approval. Must be true, so many people in Europe die because they bought wrong lenses, right?
Combine this all with extensive spying on their own citizens, security theatre (most visibly by TSA) and now encouraging citizens to spy on the others... Stalin would have been proud!
What next? USA remake of Pavlik Morozov?
Wait, they already have people sue their parents... some will surely chose to denounce instead.
(note: this is slightly on pessimist side to compensate for the optimists out there who will surely reply "nah, it's not an issue, we don't have a problem")
Here's your lesson, kids: caring about the thing you got your degree in should stop the minute you graduate, because any learning not done between 9 and 5 and in a school building by a tenured professor will get you arrested.
wtf is wrong with you?
Looks like they haven't learnt from the Korean debacle.
Korean govt started this thing for traffic offenses (South Korea).
There was a monetary benefit too attached. Soon there were people, who deliberately slowed down while crossing on green, so their hiding snapper friend would click pictures of motorists caught unawares. Soon this developed to a stage that motorists beat up a few people., and it also resulted in streetfights. Needless to say, it was abandoned.
Now of course, there is no monetary benefit here, but you will have a small percentage who would be misguided into thinking that its their patriotic duty. There will also be a small percentage of malicious people who want to get even with their "weird" neighbor. Then there would be some douchebags who will think its a nice prank to have a swat team in their neighborhood.
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"The site provides examples of red flags to watch for, such as people with an unusual interest in building plans or who are purchasing materials useful in bomb making."
So, you report your neighbour for purchasing chemicals X and Y from the gardening store because they can be used to make IEDs, and are yourself flagged because you know that chemicals X and Y can be used to make IEDs.
Dear America,
Please add me to your No Fly lists so I never, even accidentally, come anywhere near your Orwellian country again.
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I'm sure the terrorists(tm) will never ever read those PDFs and even if they do, will not at all use the information found therein to obfuscate their activities.
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People drawing or measuring important buildings.
I really just want to go grab a sketch pad and a measuring tape and head downtown...
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If the ultimate goal is to observe something then it is best done during daylight when you can see better.
Trespassing, at midnight, to satisfy educational curiosity?
The only time I have been that hungry for knowledge was when i lived next door to some hot sorority girls who kept the window shades open while changing.
It's doing a perfectly good job destroying itself from the inside.
Budding chemists, engineers, pilots and generally skilled people are being caught up in the dragnet and being rounded up as potential terrorists in this persistent culture of fear. Especially if they're brown.
Anyone planning armed resistance to our criminal government is an idiot. (Peaceful resistance looks pretty fucking foolish, as well.)
Anyone who thinks that taking away my guns improves security is an idiot. (If I can't be trusted with WMDs, then wtf am I doing AT LARGE?)
I can't seem to get through to anyone that the Second Amendment's purpose was to keep us from maintaining a tyrannical military, to be used for crimes against the People. Publius had to do a lot of hard selling to convince everyone that we could trust a national army. I think we got conned.
They feared that it could be used to suppress protest or support unpopular rule.
Florida System for Normalizing Information on Terrorists, Criminals and Hazards.
Now if only I could come up with a good short name for that...
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Quabbin, though... I dunno, sounds suspiciously Muslim to me.
Al-Qabin? I hear they've been collecting supplies for weapons of mass achusetts.
And be done with it.
Sad.
"Shooting a crackhead that attacked you should be punishable offense" said the dumbass liberal dem
How do we know the crack head attacked you? Because you say so?
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Of course this means that they're TERRORISTS out to kill people, and not just stupid people tresspassing.
The important thing here is that you adapt to the state of perpetual fear that you're supposed to live in.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php
Eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions nationwide, playing a role in nearly 75% of convictions overturned through DNA testing.
While eyewitness testimony can be persuasive evidence before a judge or jury, 30 years of strong social science research has proven that eyewitness identification is often unreliable. Research shows that the human mind is not like a tape recorder; we neither record events exactly as we see them, nor recall them like a tape that has been rewound. Instead, witness memory is like any other evidence at a crime scene; it must be preserved carefully and retrieved methodically, or it can be contaminated.
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Your 'reconnaissance of vulnerable targets' is why i cant take pics of bridges anymore without feeling the chilling effect on my neck. You REALLY should study the meaning of Liberty.
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