Linux Mint 15 'Olivia' Release Candidate Is Out

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Linux Mint 15 'Olivia' Release Candidate Is Out

Posted by Soulskill on Friday May 17, 2013 @10:07AM from the onward-and-upward dept.

New submitter Anand Radhakrishnan writes "The release candidate for the much-anticipated Linux Mint 15 'Olivia' is available for user testing. Its many new features include Cinnamon Control center, an improved login manager with HTML 5 support, a driver manager, and a lot of under-the-hood improvements. 'A new tool called MintSources, aka "Software Sources," was developed from scratch with derivative distributions in mind (primarily Linux Mint, but also LMDE, Netrunner and Snow Linux). It replaces software-properties-gtk and is perfectly adapted to managing software sources in Linux Mint. From the main screen you can easily enable or disable optional components and gain access to backports, unstable packages and source code.' This release with Cinnamon looks really tempting."

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Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:11 · Score: 5, Insightful

When Ubuntu introduced Unity I switched to Linux Mint and haven't looked back.
1. Re:Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:22 · Score: 0
  
  Right on. No need for a touch-screen OS on the desktop.
2. Re:Obligatory comment by Adult+film+producer · 2013-05-17 10:29 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Same deal here. I had no plans on switching and didn't want to but I really had no choice but to leave ubuntu :~(
3. Re:Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:38 · Score: 0
  
  Unity wasn't created for touchscreens, it was created for netbooks.
4. Re:Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:05 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  ...on which it is completely unusable as it runs so slow.
5. Re:Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:15 · Score: 0
  
  Right on. No need for a touch-screen OS on the desktop.
  Why do people spout this nonsense. Unity is not a touch screen interface. It is actually something between the Windows and Mac interfaces.
6. Re:Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:31 · Score: 0
  
  A new tool called MintSources, aka "Software Sources," was developed from scratch
  
  Do they include a version of Synaptic that isn't modified to remove the Update functionality?
  
  Seriously, why do they force you to use their own icon-tray updating tool by REMOVING this functionality from Synaptic? It's a retarded decision from an otherwise truly excellent distribution. Yeah, I know it's just a nuisance and not a big deal, but it makes no sense at all. If I wanted this kind of "do it our way" experience I would buy Apple.
7. Re: Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 14:31 · Score: 0
  
  When Ubuntu introduced Unity, I switched to Cinnamon. It's a shame that a DE has divided the biggest desktop Linux community over something so superficial and easy (apt-get install cinnamon) to "fix".
8. Re:Obligatory comment by aztracker1 · 2013-05-17 15:01 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  As someone who regularly uses Mac and Windows, Windows is closer to the Mac, than Unity is to either of them (Maybe not Windows 8, but Windows 7 for certain)
  
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9. Re:Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 15:45 · Score: 0
  
  Have you used Unity, then?
10. Re: Obligatory comment by ozmanjusri · 2013-05-17 16:37 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  When Ubuntu introduced Unity, I switched to Cinnamon. It's a shame that a DE has divided the biggest desktop Linux community
  Why?
  That's the the whole benefit of open source right there in one sentence. They did something you didn't like, you weren't locked in.
  
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11. Re:Obligatory comment by wordsnyc · 2013-05-17 19:30 · Score: 1
  
  Using Mint 13 LTS with Mate -- I had been using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but they stopped updating it in any useful way. Mate is like an improved version of Gnome 2: not beautiful, but no drama, and it lets me easily put things in the panels. Most of what I do is writing, so I figure I'm good until 2015 or whatever.
  
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12. Re:Obligatory comment by Clarious · 2013-05-17 23:02 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I still use Unity, it is strangely good after you used it for a while, despite some minor bugs here and there. Unity actually included many useful features from other desktops, such as:
  - Menu on top, titlebar on top (when full screen): Saving precious vertical space, esp. useful with my 1366x768 laptop screen. And to be honest, I only care about the menu of the program I am focused on anyway, so one menu at a time isn't a big problem.
  - Taskbar on the left, with grouping: same as above, with 16:9 screen I can spare some horizontal space for it. Also you can quickly switch windows with Super + F[1234], something taken from Microsoft Windows 7, it is more useful and faster than Alt-tabbing because you don't have to wait for the list of windows to appear, you always know which keys to press.
  - Windows grouping, subgroup switching with Alt+grave (`). Taken from GNOME Shell, help unclutter my windows list, and switching is faster too. I loved this feature of GNOME Shell, too bad it removed the windows list (taskbar) so I can't have an overall view of which windows are on the screen. Same goes for notification area, GNOME Shell removed that part and go for a touch-oriented notification system (tap bottom right for the notification list), which is extremely useless since the notification area (or systray, as in windows) is supposed to always stay on screen so you can have a quick glance.
  - Topbar widget/notification is more refined than GNOME Shell, with the later on you have to write an extension in javascript with little to no documentation. With unity you can write one in python, easy.
  - Last but not least, Compiz is still better than metacity/GNOME Shell in CPU/RAM usage. With GNOME Shell you are practically running an webkit browser with all the javascript jazz and stuff. So while Compiz/Unity only eats ~90 MB RAM, metacity/GNOME Shell eats about 250 MB. Sure, RAM is fairly cheap these days but that doesn't mean your desktop has to use as much RAM as the sum of the rest of your programs.
  Linux Mint with MATE or Cinnamon is okay too. But MATE is just GNOME 2 renamed, it works, but no better than GNOME 2, and with a bunch of leftovers tech such as libbonobo. Cinnamon is, well, nothing special, nothing attractive for me to use, that is it. And I have heard that Cinnamon devs have many problem following upstream too.
13. Re: Obligatory comment by Bearhouse · 2013-05-18 00:03 · Score: 2
  
  When Ubuntu introduced Unity, I switched to Cinnamon. It's a shame that a DE has divided the biggest desktop Linux community
  Why?
  That's the the whole benefit of open source right there in one sentence. They did something you didn't like, you weren't locked in.
  Indeed. One of the biggest benefits, but also the biggest disadvantage. This is what stops Linux from gaining traction with a wider market.
  Buy a device for windows, (screen, printer, wifi key, whatever), plug it in, works. (Yeah OK, most of the time, especially if you ain't got 64bit). With Linux, it's harder, especially for the non-techie. One distro that all the major OEMs could aim for would really help.
  (Spoken as an old BSD wanker, so I suppose I'm part of the "problem"...)
14. Re:Obligatory comment by QuantumRiff · 2013-05-18 00:59 · Score: 1
  
  I liked it as well, until the last update. Little things started killing my productivity. Like when I would get a new chat message in Pidgin. I would go up to the indicator area, click on the envelope, then see a list of several chats I had, many that were quite old, I would click on hte newest one, and it woudl blink, and the indicator would go off.. But that was it. It wouldn't actually load up the pidgin window to the chat. If I went directly to pidgin, it wouldn't turn off the indicator envelope. Thunderbird had some similar bugs, which is even more disappointing than the Pidgin one, since thunderbird is the default mail client. There are actually quite a few other things, but they are all just little things that have added to to being a waste of time.
  
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15. Re: Obligatory comment by ozmanjusri · 2013-05-18 01:30 · Score: 1
  
  Maybe half a decade ago. Now, for anything that's supported, Linux is far easier than Windows.
  
  Buy a device for windows, (screen, printer, wifi key, whatever), plug it in, works.
  
  Sometimes, but most times you ahve to track down and install a driver along with a gigabyte or two of annoying bloatware to get a device which works, but constantly nags you with crap you don't want to have to deal with.
  
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16. Re:Obligatory comment by rivercityrandom · 2013-05-18 03:23 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  In my experience, if you were to put the Windows 7 task bar on the left side of the screen, color everything purple and orange, and replace the Start Menu with a script that sends all of your search results to Amazon.com, it would look an awful lot like Ubuntu Unity.
17. Re: Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-18 04:59 · Score: 0
  
  When Ubuntu introduced Unity, I switched to Cinnamon. It's a shame that a DE has divided the biggest desktop Linux community
  Why?
  Because Shuttleworth is using his power to force a badly-designed GUI software onto the public.
  Just because we have a choice of software doesn't mean that we can't be hurt by the widespread proliferation of badly-designed software.
  The design error is widely acknowledged: Unity is a misguided attempt to unify two incompatible GUI paradigms into one. Unity removes features that are important for good workstation workflow, and forces workstation users into a paradigm that's only appropriate for touch-mobile devices.
  Although it's worthwhile to ask the question: "can these two different GUI paradigms be unified?", it is equally important to understand why the answer is a resounding "no". Each GUI paradigm might benefit somewhat from the influence of the other, but it's clear now that bifurcation is necessary -- the GUI must operate in one of two distinct modes: workstation or touch-mobile.
  This question has been asked and answered several times now: Unity, GNOME 3, and Windows 8 all tried this experimental unification. It's now time to start applying the lessons learned.
  A simple change to Unity would fix it: Check to see if the device uses touch or mouse input -- and then automatically select the GUI mode appropriately. Ten years from now, we will all be absolutely baffled why it took so incredibly long to realize that the GUI simply needs to check the available input device(s) and then automatically adjust itself accordingly.
18. Re:Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-18 07:21 · Score: 0
  
  I tried to get Linux Mint (the KDE version) to run on my hardware. I couldn't get it to work and its not like I don't know what I'm doing. I went back to Ubuntu and Backtrack until they get it working correctly.
19. Re: Obligatory comment by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-18 19:52 · Score: 0
  
  Same mistake as Windows 8 and with the same motivation. The gui doesn't auto select for touchscreen or mouse because both Microsoft and Canonical want to force feed their touch interface on all their users so we supposedly learn to like it and it becomes familiar everywhere. But it aint working. In addition, the Gnome people under Havoc and others went insane for change for change's sake and extreme dumbing down of the ui, alienating the user base. First let's kill all the designers buf be sure to do a few ideology driven devs as wdll.
20. Re:Obligatory comment by KingBenny · 2013-05-19 14:32 · Score: 1
  
  no one told me to look back because their experience with unity had improved over mint by now either so why change a winning formula im gonna need to check this asap i was wondering what the delly was
  
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21. Re: Obligatory comment by vandamme · 2013-05-20 06:07 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, you must have an HP printer. 300 MB of trashy GUIs, drivers and ????ware.
  Lots easier on Linux. "System settings->Printers->New". Click. "Print test page?"
ALL HAIL! by oldhack · 2013-05-17 10:17 · Score: 2

All hail to Debian. :-)

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1. Re:ALL HAIL! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:32 · Score: 0
  
  I agree, switching from Ubuntu to Mint just seems like moving in the wrong direction. Debian might have some rough edges, but it's stable and long established. It would be really nice to see the Debian community grow as a result of this exodus from Ubuntu.
2. Re:ALL HAIL! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:55 · Score: 0
  
  With the release of Wheezy I just switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian... couldn't be happier!
3. Re:ALL HAIL! by girlinatrainingbra · 2013-05-17 15:10 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Re: All hail to Debian. :-)
  Huzzah! Yes, indeed, all Hail Debian, the basis of these all! It is sad that so much bounds forth from these springs yet so few are aware of the source of these precious waters!!! As I said earlier, to one who dared mock Debian's utility:
  
  Debian has stayed being what it has always been. It's just being used more as the foundation that supports the work of the facade builders and marketers that put a pretty face (or not-so-pretty Tammy Faye Baker clown-makeup face, if you want Gnome 3, imho) on top of all that and market it as if they made the whole thing.
  Again, I say to thee, all Hail Deb-Ian ! (also, have you ever seen the canadian cartoon "Being Ian" ? )
4. Re:ALL HAIL! by Requiem18th · 2013-05-17 23:53 · Score: 2
  
  I'm undecided about switching to LMDE, aptosid, or just plain sid. On the one hand I like the idea of not ever having to reinstall the OS for upgrades, on the other hand I feel that eventually I'll have to because of an accumulation of botched installs.
  Meanwhile the fuckers at Valve decided that only Ubuntu deserves Steam. But then again TF2 runs like molass in linux with an AMD setup.
  
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  But... the future refused to change.
5. Re:ALL HAIL! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-18 03:59 · Score: 0
  
  I didn't know Hypnotoad was a Debian contributor.
6. Re:ALL HAIL! by akc · 2013-05-18 04:45 · Score: 1
  
  I have been running Debian for about 10 years, and the only time I've had to re-install it was when I bought completely new hardware. I never got so botched that I need to start again. Most of the time I have run as SID, although over the last 6 months or so I migrated slowly to testing which became stable - since I seem to have everything I need at a suitably high enough version.
  Because I run all my disks as raid 1, when I upgraded from 1 to 2 TB disks, I did that with the system in situ.
In place upgrades still unsupported? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · 2013-05-17 10:17 · Score: 5, Informative

I'm running Mint now, I think it is MInt 13 or maybe 12. I would have upgraded a long time ago except that in place upgrades are not supported. If I had known that, I would never have left ubuntu for Mint.
Next time I "upgrade" I'm just going to go back to Ubuntu so I don't have to deal with that hassle anymore. In place upgrades always worked fine for me on Ubuntu since I would wait a month or two after release for all the other guinea pigs to work through any problems.

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1. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Nimey · 2013-05-17 10:27 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  You're supposed to use the backup utility to save your data and package choices, then do a clean reinstall and re-run the backup utility to restore everything.
  
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2. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · 2013-05-17 10:35 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Yes, I know what you are "suppossed" to do, it is a hassle that I do not need to do with ubuntu. Next up is the argument that I "should" do all that regardless of distribution to which I say my level of backups is sufficient for my needs even if it is not sufficient for Mint's needs.
  
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3. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:41 · Score: 0
  
  That's retarded
4. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by future+assassin · 2013-05-17 11:06 · Score: 1
  
  Simple solution, keep you files on a second hd and use the first one for the os. Plop in a new usb boot disk and 15 later you got a new OS.
  
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5. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Nimey · 2013-05-17 11:07 · Score: 1
  
  Already got backups? Jolly good, then the shortcut would be to say:
  sudo dpkg --get-selections > selections
  to save your package selections, and then when you're reinstalled & copied your data back, say
  sudo dpkg --set-selections and then
  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u dselect-upgrade
  I'm not 100% sold on this idea, having been spoiled by Ubuntu and Debian supporting in-place upgrades, but it does have the advantage of avoiding breakage if the package maintainers didn't consider your particular edge case of dependencies or whatever.
  
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  E pluribus sanguinem
6. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Nimey · 2013-05-17 11:10 · Score: 1
  
  Slashcode ate that second code invocation, sorry.
  sudo dpkg --set-selections [lessthan_sign] selections
  
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  Hail Eris, full of mischief...
  
  E pluribus sanguinem
7. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Just+Some+Guy · 2013-05-17 11:16 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  I love my Mint desktop but haven't tried running and apt-get dist-upgrade yet. If a Debian descendant can't manage that, there's something fundamentally broken about it.
  
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8. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:35 · Score: 1
  
  You can use "<" and ">" to get "<" and ">".
9. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:40 · Score: 0
  
  That kind of defeats the purpose of having backups, doesn't it? The purpose of a backup is to have a second copy. If you then go and delete your first copy in order to upgrade, then you no longer have a second copy. So, even though he has backups already, he still has to make backups of his backups before upgrading.
10. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:53 · Score: 0
  
  Next time I "upgrade" I'm just going to go back to Ubuntu
  Cool. You should do that. Ubuntu provides the experience you expect, as best it can... Mint, however, doesn't try to do that, and a lot of us are thankful.
11. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by steveha · 2013-05-17 11:53 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  I agree that a distro using Debian packages and APT really ought to be dist-upgradeable. It's lame that it's not.
  But the Mint guys are the ones working hardest to let me have the kind of desktop I prefer, so I'm willing to cut them some slack.
  You can avoid some pain if you set your computer up properly. Put /home and / on separate partitions. Then, you can upgrade just by running the new installer! The installer always wants to clean-wipe the / partition, but it doesn't care whether you wipe /home or leave it in place. (I always back up the /etc directory, just by copying it somewhere on the /home partition. I also back up a complete list of all the currently installed packages.)
  
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12. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by fufufang · 2013-05-17 11:58 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  You could use Debian Testing with optional packages from Mint. You get the best of both worlds. And Debian just automagically upgrades itself.
13. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 12:07 · Score: 0
  
  I use the LTS edition, being release 13 (Maya). If you enable "backports" in the software sources, you get all the latest goodies from 14 (Nadia) and 15 (Olivia), but with the benefits of the long term support edition. Working through the forums, it is possible to upgrade, as I managed my 9 (Isadora) to 13 (Maya) jump with no major hassles. A good backup is a must though, in case it all turns to custard.
14. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Nimey · 2013-05-17 12:09 · Score: 1
  
  Logically we should keep copies of each copy of each copy, then. :roll:
  Seriously, though, you should have more than one backup /anyway/ given how quick, cheap and easy it is these days. Thank Hastur I don't have to use 40-odd 1.44MB floppies to back up a hard drive anymore like I did in the mid '90s.
  
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15. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 12:37 · Score: 0
  
  You can do in place upgrades, just like Ubuntu. It's easy, I've done it on 5 different systems for a couple of years as each new release comes out. Google for it.
16. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 12:39 · Score: 0
  
  I just upgraded via apt. Was pretty easy. Didn't need to back anything up or even use installation media. Just added the new repos, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot, and bam. Mint 15.
17. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 12:53 · Score: 1
  
  Please; supported or not, in-place upgrades have never worked properly on Ubuntu. The first question asked to anybody who has a problem in the first two weeks is "upgrade or clean install?"
18. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Tool+Man · 2013-05-17 13:17 · Score: 1
  
  Mint LMDE is based on Debian, with rolling releases. I've only recently switched though, but seems good so far.
19. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by SuperAlgae · 2013-05-17 14:23 · Score: 2
  
  I've done in-place upgrades on Ubuntu at least a couple of times. I never saw a single problem from it. I was surprised it worked so flawlessly since it seems like something that could be hard to get right.
  I've not been happy with a lot of Ubuntu's recent decisions, but in my experience this is one thing they got right.
20. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Nimey · 2013-05-17 15:01 · Score: 1
  
  LMDE's problem so far IMO is its infrequent updates for anything but web browsers. Usually you wait several months in between updates for anything else, no matter if it's got a known security hole or not.
  
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  E pluribus sanguinem
21. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by I'm+New+Around+Here · 2013-05-17 16:02 · Score: 1
  
  Exactly. I stress to people to have at least two copies of the important data, one of which is kept offsite. Usually they use two USB drives, swap them each day, and bring one home each evening. (Small offices or businesses, not megacorps.)
  What happens when you have only one copy, and the building burns down? Or a thief breaks in to the office and steals the server? I've seen both situations, so now I make sure that not only are there multiple backups, but one is not in the office overnight.
  
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22. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Maskull · 2013-05-17 17:29 · Score: 1
  
  That scheme works great, right up until you do anything interesting, like compile and install unpackaged software from sources.
23. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 17:31 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  apt-get dist-upgrade is quite a task actually, especially when you're considering some of the advantages/differences Ubuntu/Mint has compared to Debian, e.g. PPAs/all sorts of package sources. Even Ubuntu dist-upgrade have often been problematic for many people, Mint didn't want to go that road, because it meant a whole bunch of testing and support for myriads of hardware that somehow worked with the previous kernel/init/drivers/etc. but somehow have problems after the upgrade. A fresh install ensures there are no legacy left overs that might interfere or slow things down. In many cases it is fairly simple to upgrade Linux no matter what distro (i.e. backup home, get a list of apps you need from apt-get or any respective package manager, do fresh install and restore home and applications).
  You also have the option to go with the LTS release thus needing only to upgrade once in a few years (maybe even around the time you're upgrading the hardware as well).
  Or if you REALLY like the Debian way - why not just use Linux Mint Debian edition, which continuously updates to the newest version (aka rolling release). There's also the option to go with pure Debian - the fact that its derivatives are more popular doesn't mean it isn't feasible to use it instead.
24. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Tool+Man · 2013-05-17 17:34 · Score: 1
  
  Well, Debian Testing gets more frequent updates than Stable, but they are explicit about security patches being intended for the latter.
  That said, your desktop environment is most likely to get owned through a browser glitch anyway if it has a firewall up, so it may not be that unreasonable.
  It is nice to see that the latest Firefox came through in a timely fashion.
25. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 18:19 · Score: 2
  
  When using UNIX (and Linux) rule #1 is learn to partition your disk. (Incidentally that is also rule #2, #3 and #4).
  Say you have a 100 G Disk in your laptop, are using a Debian derivative and is doing a fair amount of SW development, a simple scheme could be:
  40 G: /home
  20 G: /opt
  20 G: /
  The remaining 20 G is used to enlarge any of the above partitions, should the need arise.
  Now when you 'upgrade' you simply re-install. That will leave /home untouched and only touch the parts of /opt that "belongs" to the distribution. Easy and very, very, very painless.
  If you don't partition - well - you should - if you still don't want to then at least stop complaining.
  Cheers
26. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Sesostris+III · 2013-05-17 18:23 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  I'm using LMDE XFCE on my main desktop PC, and it is the infrequent updates (and no security updates) that is the most infuriating thing about it. At one time it was a "rolling" release but now it is "semi-rolling". Really an LMDE "Update Pack" release is like a new in-place upgrade of Ubuntu, in that a big-bang approach is taken (and things may break). They also seem to happen around every six months!
  
  On my laptop I'm using the last Xubuntu LTS, and this does get updated regularly with security patches etc. Next time I switch distributions on the desktop it will be either to a proper rolling release distribution (Arch perhaps) or back to Xubuntu (latest rather than LTS) with regular updates and in-place upgrades.
  
  The reinstallation recommended every time there is a new version is the reason I'll avoid Mint Main. If I'm going to reinstall, I might as well install a different distribution.
  
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27. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by dhart · 2013-05-17 19:39 · Score: 2
  
  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-cinnamon-1-8-on-ubuntu-13-04.html
28. Re: In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 20:17 · Score: 0
  
  Good advice but be careful about the old dot files in your home directory, they can mess you up when Ubuntu goes and rewrites the window manager or something. Ran into this when they put in unity, damn thing would not do searches like it was supposed to due to some mis configured old dot file.
29. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · 2013-05-17 20:21 · Score: 1
  
  If you don't partition - well - you should - if you still don't want to then at least stop complaining.
  No, partitioning is for multi-user systems with long uptimes. For single-user systems it is just a waste of space.
  
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30. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by turbidostato · 2013-05-17 21:08 · Score: 1
  
  "I agree that a distro using Debian packages and APT really ought to be dist-upgradeable. It's lame that it's not."
  You should understand that it is not the use of deb/apt what makes Debian dist-upgradeable, it is Debian's focus on being so.
31. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 21:59 · Score: 0
  
  Last time I tried updating Ubuntu to the latest version it reinstalled some gargabe apps that the bundle by default, broken some of my manually installed application.
  I only apply updates and try out new kernel versions, apart from that I'm not touching full version upgrades unless it's a clean reinstall.
32. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by MrHanky · 2013-05-17 23:25 · Score: 2
  
  Having a separate /home partition is a good idea, simply because you can reinstall the whole system, switch to a different distro or whatever, without wiping your personal stuff and having to reinstall from backup. I usually move my old home directory to /home/old first, to avoid conflicting dot files. No space wasted, and lots of time saved.
33. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Nimey · 2013-05-18 01:30 · Score: 1
  
  That's actually still simple to deal with if you prepare right.
  What I do with unpackaged s/w is manage it with GNU Stow. I've got a directory /usr/local/stow, and if I want to compile foo v2.05 I'll extract its source, say "./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/foo-2.05 && sudo make install", then "cd /usr/local/stow" and "sudo stow foo-2.05". Now I've got the program installed into the stow folder but with symlinks to /usr/local/bin and elsewhere in the /usr/local hierarchy.
  You have to use a separate partition mounted to /usr/local to make sure this doesn't get blown away by a distro's installer, of course.
  
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34. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by bankman · 2013-05-18 01:43 · Score: 1
  
  You're supposed to use the backup utility to save your data and package choices, then do a clean reinstall and re-run the backup utility to restore everything.
  Yes, that's what the Mint team tells you and that's because according to them, dist-upgrade is not reliable. I find this rather strange because it worked reliably on Debian and Ubuntu for me for a long time and I guess it's because the Mint team broke something. That's rather unfortunate because I like the system very much.
  The other big flaw is the lack of lvm encryption in the installer. Workarounds exist, but this is basic stuff and should have been implemented a long time ago.
  
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35. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by iggymanz · 2013-05-18 05:37 · Score: 1
  
  lsb_release -a
  will tell you the version of Mint.
  you can do in place upgrades with mint, what does "supported" mean anyway as you will be the one to fix your computer if you hose it for most any distro. I do the in-place but have to do some minor tweaking afterwards. Just dump your /home and whatever other data files to an external disk beforehand
36. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · 2013-05-18 14:32 · Score: 1
  
  Of course there is space wasted - whatever is in the / partition is not available in the /home partition and vice versa. Got tons of /tmp files - you might up fill up / and cause the system to crap itself despite having gigs of free space in /home.
  
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37. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-18 22:49 · Score: 0
  
  Which is why you need the extra 20 G
  But the scenario you are outlining is very far fetched. I have run Linuc professionally for years without being even remotely near to what you are describing. Do you actually use Linux?
38. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by MrHanky · 2013-05-19 00:31 · Score: 1
  
  Most distros automagically use tmpfs on /tmp these days, so tons of files in /tmp will only fill up swap. If you filled / to the brim, your partitioning scheme simply sucked, and if you filled /home you need to either buy more disks or delete some redundant fluff. There's no space wasted since / really needs some free space, and using it for pirated .avi files or whatever harms your system.
39. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · 2013-05-19 00:46 · Score: 1
  
  If you filled / to the brim, your partitioning scheme simply sucked, and if you filled /home you need to either buy more disks or delete some redundant fluff.
  Lol, nerdrage for the fail.
  
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40. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by MrHanky · 2013-05-19 06:02 · Score: 1
  
  I see. You're an idiot.
41. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-20 00:32 · Score: 0
  
  Jah: Your comments suggests that you have never actually used Linux or maybe not read the original post in full
  If you want to treat Linux like a Windows box please do so. Yes there is some space wasted when you partition - and so what. It is called a tradeoff - here a tradeoff between space and time. Extra space used on the HDD compared to extra time used in upgrade. When you cannot have both you must decide which to choose.
  Since my time to me is very valuable I choose to give up a little space to gain a lot of time during an upgrade and should things eventually go wrong I still have my RAID1 NAS, Backup disks, gdrive etc. Again a tradeoff - lots of space 'wasted' on duplicate data in tradeoff for security againts data-loss.
  Cheers,
42. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by steveha · 2013-05-20 13:06 · Score: 1
  
  You should understand that it is not the use of deb/apt what makes Debian dist-upgradeable, it is Debian's focus on being so.
  Oh, I understand that all right. But given that they are inheriting from an upstream that does such an excellent job, it's lame that they can't keep their end dist-upgradable.
  I never meant to imply that there is something magical about the .deb package format; it's the hard work of the Debian community that really makes Debian so smoothly upgradable. Ubuntu, in turn, works enough to not screw this up. Mint, less so. (But as I said, I cut the Mint guys a lot of slack since they are really helping me out by keeping a GNOME 2.x style of desktop alive.)
  
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43. Re:In place upgrades still unsupported? by SD-Arcadia · 2013-05-21 02:46 · Score: 1
  
  I just hopped on to LMDE 201303 Cinnamon x64. I feel a little deceived because I had the impression this was a rolling release. It is not. It is apparently a "semi-rolling release". Major updates happen through "Update Packs" and the last one (UP6) is from 2012-12 to give you a sense of frequency. It tracks Debian Testing (not Debian Unstable). You can enable a Mint Repo called Romeo that will give you updates to software developed by the Mint team without waiting for a UP but that's it. So the only thing rolling about LMDE seems to be that you don't ever do a dist-upgrade. Since Ubuntu is based on Debian Unstable, and the update frequencies are comparable, LMDE is often behind in versions compared to Ubuntu! And I was here under the impression that I was going for more frequent updates compared to Ubuntu since this is a (semi-) rolling release!
  
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Only idiots use Linux Mint! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:25 · Score: 0

Upgrade to Ubuntu!
1. Re:Only idiots use Linux Mint! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:40 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  Only twats use Ubuntu.
  Upgrade to Debian!
2. Re:Only idiots use Linux Mint! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 16:25 · Score: 0
  
  Slackware for all, you wankers.
Stripped of branding please by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:27 · Score: 0

I had to reinstall Firefox because of all the crap Mint puts in it as part of the standard distro.
1. Re:Stripped of branding please by chipschap · 2013-05-17 10:36 · Score: 1
  
  I switched from Ubuntu to Mint and like it a lot, but I'm thinking about going to CrunchBang given my usage patterns.
Not Obligatory...Linux mint is basically Ubuntu by tuppe666 · 2013-05-17 10:31 · Score: 2

When Ubuntu introduced Unity I switched to Linux Mint and haven't looked back.
I'm actually running Ubuntu with Cinnamon installed (I would be running Mint if it wasn't for the delay between their respective releases) . Its kind of sad that Mints main benefit (since Debian rolling releases stopped) is that its everything you like about Ubuntu....great support; almost cutting edge, with backported fixes for stability(although not as Stable as Debian...but that is not cutting edge) with some sensible defaults...because it is basically ubuntu.
Hell I quite like the fact that canonical tried to make Ubuntu pretty (and fast).But the move towards recreating elements rather than *selecting* popular ones (Mer seriously) like say Cinnamon, is going to hurt them. I hope they have success with the phone...where I think Unity (and all the other garbage...like a new package manager) might be a better fit.
So yeah not obligatory...I'm using it with Cinnamon now, and accept Mints roots when I use that (and Debians)
Not is someone could go about producing a rolling (cutiing edge) Debian release (with an enormous rescue me button) then I would look forward to it.
1. Re:Not Obligatory...Linux mint is basically Ubuntu by Scottie-Z · 2013-05-18 07:43 · Score: 1
  
  Mint Debian Edition?
Looking forward to it... by CFBMoo1 · 2013-05-17 10:40 · Score: 2

I've had really good experiences with Mint Cinnamon on my laptop at work. They went the direction Ubuntu should have gone for the Desktop.

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Bi-Linx and liking it by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:45 · Score: 0

I got a desktop on Ubuntu 13.4 and a laptop on Mint.
So far the laptop is my favorite machine. The only reason that I still have the desktop is because I do some serous number crunching on it - and I got a lot invested in the hardware. When this shit goes - laptop Baby! I'm tired of the clutter and the energy consumption for the desktops. I don't need the horsepower or the shitty keyboards, I just just do data analysis and other PHB shit. When tablets mature, I'm sure to go there.
Yeah, I'm a PHB - throw your tomatoes. I'll laugh all the way to the bank while eating a salad.
1. Re:Bi-Linx and liking it by jones_supa · 2013-05-17 11:10 · Score: 1
  
  What kind of software? That sounds quite interesting.
2. Re:Bi-Linx and liking it by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 15:52 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah, I'm a PHB - throw your tomatoes. I'll laugh all the way to the bank while tossing your salad.
  You're nasty, Mr. Smithers.
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Only losers use Linux. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:54 · Score: 0

Upgrade to BSD!
1. Re: Only losers use Linux. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 12:03 · Score: 0
  
  I would "upgrade" to BSD if it supported my GigE NIC. The same one that every major Linux distro supports by now.
yet another (super happy) Mint user by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 10:58 · Score: 0

Using Mint (Maya LTS) with MATE and am happy as can be. Not bug-free, but just about as good as I've ever had it. Highly recommended. Got Slackware on the Desktop and Mint on the lap.
How good is it? by loufoque · 2013-05-17 11:12 · Score: 2

I've been running Ubuntu for a long time, with increased disappointment at each upgrade, not all of which are caused by Canonical.
I had been mostly OK for a time with GNOME fallback, or whatever it is that they call running gnome-panel and metacity. But now I've also had to replace Nautilus by Nemo (Cinnamon's Nautilus fork) because the latest Nautilus introduces too many regressions.
Is Linux Mint what I need? Or should I just consider moving to Debian?
1. Re:How good is it? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:28 · Score: 0
  
  Or Kubuntu. KDE is really lots better than what you're used to.
2. Re:How good is it? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 12:30 · Score: 0
  
  mint is ubuntu with a bunch of stickers added onto it, some are cool, most are pointless garbage, stay where you are
3. Re:How good is it? by Nite_Hawk · 2013-05-17 12:47 · Score: 1
  
  I've got Mint on my wife's laptop and ubuntu with Cinnamon on mine. On my desktop I recently installed an SSD and did a new install. Had mint 15 been out I would have strongly considered it, but ultimately I decided that for now Ubuntu 13.04 + cinnamon is a pretty good combination. Not sure if that will continue to be the case, but for the moment I think it's about as good as it gets.
  Having said that, Mint 14 on my wife's laptop has been rock solid and I'm guessing she will continue to happily use it for some time to come.
4. Re:How good is it? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 13:09 · Score: 0
  
  Linux Mint does have a semi-rolling distro based on Debain unstable. That may be the best of both worlds for you.
5. Re:How good is it? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 13:11 · Score: 0
  
  Whoops. I meant it's based on Debian testing.
6. Re:How good is it? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 13:33 · Score: 0
  
  Also way more professional than Mint.
Network Manager Problem by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:13 · Score: 0

I installed it this morning, just because.
I could not connect to a hidden access point. Attempting to, closed the network manager. Re-installed 14 and thing are fine.
Mint is the reson that I'm completely M$ free at my house now. Previously, I kept an XP machine going in my daughters' room for them to play with. They have no problems using Mint as a workstation. I like it. It is easy to manage and there seems to be many people in the Mint community willing to help if there are problems.
I can't seem to get Wolfenstein Enemy Territory working on it though.
The exodus from Ubuntu... by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:23 · Score: 3, Interesting

I was late to the party, but I was so disgusted with several of the recent decisions from Canonical (Unity, spyware, ads, removal of Synaptic, steering toward commercial apps when better free alternatives exist, and on and on) that had rendered it marginally useful on the very machines it had once redeemed from the Windows quagmire that I not only switched them all to Mint, but switched them to LMDE- Linux Mint Debian (Cinnamon).
Yes, there are a couple of rough edges, but the general increase in speed and usability has been a relief like a thorn removed from my flesh. It is MUCH better. Whatever advantage the mainstream Linux Mint has over the Debian Edition, I'm more than willing to forgo them to be removed from dependency on Canonical entirely.
A couple of years ago I felt completely differently. Ubuntu did great things for the desktop user and it pains me to have to reject their direction now... but human institutions tend to become evil the moment they think they are indispensable. The nature of open source and the hard work of the folks at Mint have rendered this change of Ubuntu's character ineffective and irrelevant, and I am very grateful for both.
Obligatory response by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:36 · Score: 1

And have they actually explained publically what the "Mint Search Enhancer" extension for Firefox does? You know, the one that you can't remove without also removing your desktop's meta-package in Mint, ensuring that it's reinstalled on every UI upgrade?
1. Re:Obligatory response by Atomic+Fro · 2013-05-17 14:35 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  They have. They use it do get revenue from your searches.
  
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2. Re:Obligatory response by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 15:14 · Score: 0
  
  Which is exactly what Ubuntu was doing with Unity/Dash.
  Yet for some reason it's considered more acceptable in their case. Even though in their case it's not easy to turn off, whereas in Unity it's a rather clearly labelled option that the Ubuntu website describes well how to remove.
  Contrast that with Linux Mint, in which you have to remove your DE/WM's meta-package to remove the extension... If your concern is about spyware and your searches potentially being less private than you wanted, I see no compelling reason to choose Mint over Ubuntu.
3. Re:Obligatory response by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 17:56 · Score: 1
  
  Which is exactly what Ubuntu was doing with Unity/Dash.
  No, it's not.
  A web browser search bar transmitting your search terms to the internet is expected behaviour.
  Your desktop "find files" doing that.... not so much.
4. Re:Obligatory response by Man+Eating+Duck · 2013-05-19 10:33 · Score: 1
  
  And have they actually explained publically what the "Mint Search Enhancer" extension for Firefox does? You know, the one that you can't remove without also removing your desktop's meta-package in Mint, ensuring that it's reinstalled on every UI upgrade?
  This is a bit old, but they have explained it several times. I actually wouldn't mind it if it didn't stupidly break functionality like the Google calculator and cached pages. Someone benefits from your searches anyway. I don't remember exactly how I did it, but I got rid of it, and it didn't come back.
  Sorry Mint, but if you destroy basic functionality in the process of earning money off of my browsing, your hacks go away just as other annoyances such as online ads. I kept the default home page, though, I have several default tabs in any case.
  
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5. Re:Obligatory response by paulatz · 2013-05-19 19:54 · Score: 1
  
  You know, there are linux distributions that do not install functionality-breaking spyware.E.g. (but not limited to) opensuse and fedora. Incidentally both are older that Ubunt and Mint, and my bet is they will last longer too.
  
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Mint is not Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 11:40 · Score: 0

I posted something but can't see it now because I couldn't read the damned Captcha. Thanks.
I got so disgusted with recent decisions by Canonical (spyware, steering toward commercial apps, Unity, removal of Synaptic, and on and on) that I switched all my machines not just to Mint but to LMDE- Linux Mint Debian Edition (Cinnamon).
I did it to deliberately remove myself from dependency on Canonical. Yes, there are a few rough edges yet, but it now works so much better than Ubuntu that the change was like having a thorn removed from my flesh. It's faster, it's more intuitive, it gets out of the way, and by and large it "just works".
And YES, unlike "mainstream" Mint it does "upgrade in place" just like Debian. It's intended to run just like the "mainstream" (Ubuntu) Mint, it already comes impressively close, and I think it will get steadily closer with each release. It is already completely viable. I can't compare it to Mint 14, but compared to Ubuntu I am very pleased.
Check it out. If you don't need Ubuntu, you don't need to be downstream of it either.
Clem, Mark, penguin, Bar ~ no joke, just madness by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 12:15 · Score: 0

So, Clem, a penguin and Mark walk into a bar.
Mark: "I'll have something brilliantly bubbly and clamorously colorful that goes down elegantly easy and tastes amazingly amazonian. Clem will have the same, surely, and the penguin will promptly and precisely have a non-alcoholic beer or a diet rootbeer if you don't have one. And you, sir, should have a coffee, black and decaffeinated."
Bartender: "Huh? Umm, ....Alright. Walk to the far left corner of the bar, stop, back up, and approach again while repeating your order clearly but not too loudly. A menu will be provided by market-research agents shortly. Your order does not yet qualify for super free shipping, so you may have to wait or buy more drinks." *shakes head, spits on floor*
Clem: "I'll have a whiskey. ..Gentleman Jack, please."
Bartender: Pours whiskey in large glass, sets it down and asks "Who the fuck is that arrogant asshole? And why is he smiling so much?"
Clem: "What guy?"
Bartender: "The guy you came in with, who ordered you one of those ....things, and told me I wanted coffee."
Penguin: "What about me? I want a vodka, fuck rootbeer and non-alcoholic beer!"
Bartender: "Is someone asking for vodka? Where's that voice coming from?"
Mark: "Shut up you little ingrate!"
Clem: Whispers to bartender "That's the penguin. He's standing here beside me, beneath the bar." Picks penguin up and sets on stool.
Bartender: "Oh, hello there. Would you like that rootbeer now?"
Penguin: "For fucks sake mate, I don't want a bloody rootbeer. I want a goddamn vodka!"
Clem: "One vodka for the penguin. On me."
Penguin: "Thanks, but I could've got my own."
Mark: Squirming in corner, scowling and twitching. "I want kosher koolaid, now! Forget the other order. ...Where's my space pod? Can't a billionaire get a drink in this place!"
Bartender: "This is a bit abnormal. Maybe I'll have a regular coffee."
Clem: "Cool"
I wanna live with a Cinnamon Girl by Bonker · 2013-05-17 12:27 · Score: 1

Cinnamon is pretty nice. It nicely captures the features of the traditional app bar and combines the ability to use plugins and 'pin' apps. I LURVE me the ability to manage my networks and VPNs from the applet interface.
It does have a few problems. First off, it's somewhat confusing to edit the Cinnamon menu. My ideal solution would be to create a nested folder structure filled with softlinks so I could simply manage it with a file manager. (Sorry, haters. MS just got it right there.) However, a more-full-featured menu editor would be almost as good.
Secondly, it's pretty difficult to move the Cinnamon menu bar around. It can be done, but takes some config file editing rather than point-click-drag-drop like the proprietary OSs.
To my understanding, Cinnamon is ultimately a highly customized Gnome configuration, so I suspect that what's holding Cinnamon back are shortcomings in Gnome or GTK. However, I'm not an expert.

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1. Re:I wanna live with a Cinnamon Girl by kernelpanicked · 2013-05-17 17:56 · Score: 2
  
  You know what I love?
  Being able to set custom keybindings.
  Workspaces...in a grid.
  Alt-Tab to any running app on any desktop.
  Ya know, all the things that Gnome 3 actually did right (no matter how much I've come to despise it), and the Mint team decided to break. For now I'll just keep on trucking along with XFCE, and if Clem and the gang ever decide to stop fucking with login manager settings and fix some of their outstanding bugs, maybe I'll give Cinnamon another look.
  
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No KDE version yet by tftp · 2013-05-17 12:30 · Score: 1

I have 14-kde; GNOME just doesn't work for me. Too simplistic, perhaps. I was always leaning toward KDE, and its C++/Qt base was far richer than the objects made by hand in C (GTK.) I'll get one to try again, though, just to be educated.
Crashing under VirtualBox by Stormwatch · 2013-05-17 12:53 · Score: 1, Interesting

I installed it under VirtualBox, but when I run it, after I log in, the virtual machine closes by itself and it appears as "aborted" in the list.

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1. Re:Crashing under VirtualBox by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 14:17 · Score: 0
  
  Yay! I think thats a new easter egg!
2. Re:Crashing under VirtualBox by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 22:39 · Score: 0
  
  Just tried LM15 under Qemu-KVM and it's stable, apart from Cinnamon going to fallback mode due to lack of GPU support. Live worked and install did as well, so I guess it's a problem with VirtualBox
3. Re:Crashing under VirtualBox by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-18 01:29 · Score: 0
  
  Well, duh! Everybody knows LinuxMint isn't pro-life!
Minix 3 for me!! by trout007 · 2013-05-17 13:14 · Score: 0

The microkernel is going to catch in any day now.

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1. Re:Minix 3 for me!! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 15:01 · Score: 0
  
  My Lions Unix v6 mobile port will smoke yours.
login manager with HTML5? by manu0601 · 2013-05-17 13:27 · Score: 0

HTML 5 support at the login manager seems an horrible idea, which will be exploited at some time to steal authentication credentials.
1. Re:login manager with HTML5? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 14:26 · Score: 1
  
  If someone has enough access that they can modify the login manager it doesn't matter what language/markup it's in.
2. Re:login manager with HTML5? by manu0601 · 2013-05-18 14:16 · Score: 1
  
  Have you heard of the concept of attack surface? HTML5 can do scripting, it can include remote files, with a lot of media types, and dozens of underlying handling libraries.
  Asking for login credentials is a simple and security-critical task. Implementation should be kept as simple as possible IMO
POC? by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 13:55 · Score: 0

or stfu!!!
1. Re:POC? by manu0601 · 2013-05-18 14:13 · Score: 1
  
  Do you advocate making security component design decisions based on the existence of implementation exploits? i.e. like "I see a risk there, but I think nobody will try to exploit it so let us do it anyway."
When Ubuntu introduced Unity .. by dgharmon · 2013-05-17 14:08 · Score: 2

I've been using lubuntu for a long time, so haven't noticed ...

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1. Re: When Ubuntu introduced Unity .. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 22:50 · Score: 0
  
  Same for me with kubuntu. And the comment above about not being able to dist-upgrade with mint makes sure that I will never switch. Thank you slashdot for the warning! (Not that I would ever use a Gnome bases distro.)
2. Re: When Ubuntu introduced Unity .. by msobkow · 2013-05-18 02:05 · Score: 1
  
  I just went with the LTS server edition and downloaded/installed the desktop I wanted rather than futzing with Unity at all.
  
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3. Re: When Ubuntu introduced Unity .. by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-18 13:12 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah LXDE is so nice! It keeps getting better, too!
  XFCE is nice if you have pretty modern hardware.
  Unity actually made me discover the best place for my panel with my frequently used apps.
  Cinnamon in Linux Mint was harder to configure than Xfce... and MATE is just Gnome2....
  KDE is something I have never really gotten into, though it worked really well in Fedora 16 when I tried it last....
  Just face it jwm is the best by far in Puppy!
  USE WHAT WORKS BEST....
new features! by jwinterm · 2013-05-17 14:35 · Score: 1

"Linux Mint 15 is the most ambitious release since the start of the project. MATE 1.6 is greatly improved and Cinnamon 1.8 offers a ton of new features, including a screensaver and a unified control center." Really, linux mint, a screensaver, really?
1. Re:new features! by aled · 2013-05-17 14:58 · Score: 1
  
  "Linux Mint 15 is the most ambitious release since the start of the project. MATE 1.6 is greatly improved and Cinnamon 1.8 offers a ton of new features, including a screensaver and a unified control center."
  Really, linux mint, a screensaver, really?
  Well, the last time I tried Ubuntu 3d screensavers wouldn't work properly, meaning the screen went black and I had to enter my password with no visual feedback to unlock. Also the screensavers weren't configurable and were generally an example of all that was wrong with ubuntu, linux and everything.
  
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2. Re:new features! by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-29 01:42 · Score: 0
  
  A "screen locker" would be more accurate. Its just a fork of gnome-screensaver, and these days gnome-screensaver is more of a screen locker than anything else.
Not Obligatory...Linux Ubuntu is basically Debian by G3ckoG33k · 2013-05-17 22:07 · Score: 1

I'm actually running Debian with Sid installed (I would be running Ubuntu if it wasn't for the delay between their respective releases) . Its kind of sad that Ubuntus main benefit (since Debian experimental releases are too wild) is that its everything you like about Debian Sid....great support; almost cutting edge, with backported fixes for stability(although not as Stable as Debian stable... but that is not cutting edge) with some sensible defaults...because it is basically Debian Sid.
Hell I quite like the fact that users tried to make Debian pretty (and fast).But the move towards recreating elements rather than *selecting* popular ones (Mer seriously) like say KDE 4.8 Oxygen, is going to hurt them. I hope they have success with Qt... where I think KDE (and all the other garbage...like a new package manager) might be a better fit.
So yeah not obligatory...I'm using it with KDE now, and accept other roots when I use that (and GNU/Linux)
Not is someone could go about producing a rolling (cutiing edge) GNU/Linux release (with an enormous rescue me button) then I would look forward to it.
Now with Bitcoin donations by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 23:24 · Score: 0

Nice. I'll check them out.
Encryption by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-17 23:32 · Score: 0

Does it finally allow to choose an encrypted filesystem during installation?
This feature is missing from many of the alleged Ubuntu alternatives.
debian by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-18 01:46 · Score: 0

Just moved from Ubuntu to Debian7 and am loving it here.
Many small things that were a bit broken in Ubuntu are working here straight away, like laptop power management and recognising my USB sound card. Maybe you reach a certain age when having stuff that actually works is more important than the bleeding edge?
(Also not having to spend ages figuring out how to remove the Amazon ads, Unity and Ubuntu1 storage is great, actually makes debian a faster install then Ubuntu now.)
Ubuntu Green Edition by Anonymous Coward · 2013-05-18 03:34 · Score: 0

So, what makes this distribution different from Ubuntu (Vanilla Mint) or Debian (LMDE) apart from the green gtk theme, the default desktop environment and the browser's default search engine being a minty google search?
password not recognized by lazaroarma · 2013-05-18 03:37 · Score: 1

Cant log in