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Jolla Announces First Meego Phone Available By End 2013

x_IamSpartacus_x writes "Jolla, the Finnish company that continued Nokia's work on the MeeGo mobile platform, announced details of its first smartphone on Monday. Availability for the Jolla device is expected by year end and can be pre-ordered now; the phone will be priced at no more than €399 (US $512.26). The Jolla hardware looks similar to that of Nokia's Lumia, with a clean, button-less front face that houses the 4.5-inch touchcscreen. The phone will use a dual-core processor and support 4G LTE in some regions. Internal storage tops out at 16 GB, but can be expanded via microSD card. The phone also includes an 8 megapixel rear camera with auto focus. The phone is also 'Android app compliant' which, in a move similar to that of BlackBerry, can help with available apps at launch."

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  1. sweet by chibiace · · Score: 3, Informative

    hopefully we can get some traction going for this cool project.

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    1. Re:sweet by chriscappuccio · · Score: 5, Informative

      Meego uses X windows, and other more traditional technologies than android, is just as fast if not faster, and works like 'standard linux' out of the box. That's kinda nice, eh?

    2. Re:sweet by kwark · · Score: 2

      Please explain who the current mobile OS available aren't true multitasking?

    3. Re:sweet by dtdmrr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The maemo/meego devices have given users root access out of the box, perhaps you have to take one minor step to indicate you know what that means, but that's about all. These devices are there for you, and don't really try to protect themselves from their users/owners. I haven't seen the sources for sailfish yet, but I gather many of the people at Jolla didn't like the portions of the os that were shipped binary only while they were at nokia. So I'd expect the openness to improve. From the sdk, it looks like they are continuing to use X11, so that means that pretty much any generic arm friendly linux application should run without porting (though there are pleanty of good reasons to specialise/port). For maemo devices, that meant there was just one simple package to install to add a debian chrooted enviroment, which of course gives access to the full debian arm repos.
      Replacable batteries.
      It looks like they have taken an interesting step following that philosophy with enabling functional expansion through interchangable backs.
      Sailfish also has a pretty slick interface. I will hold off on judgement until I get a chance to use it for a while.
      If a user-centric design philosophy (including openness/freedom) doesn't really matter to you, and you don't care about the user interface, yes it's just another phone. But then again, any modern cell phone is essentiall Turing-complete and you can build/connect accessories and power supplies around them. So at a high level of abstraction, no modern phone is distinguishable, nor should we expect to see one any time soon.

    4. Re:sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Android doesn't have true multitasking, neither does iOS or Windows Phone. They are all one app at a time with background services.
      This is true multitasking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7emvUBpEkbU
      This demonstrates switching between applications while they are still *actively* running, hell even the thumbnails are updating on the app switching interface. That's on a phone with single-core 600MHz CPU and 256MB RAM.

    5. Re:sweet by kwark · · Score: 4, Informative

      "They are all one app at a time with background services."

      Bullshit:
      -Apps can multitask without Services, just use Threads.
      -Android has multiple window support.

      You are confusing the UI thread being stopped (when it is not visible) with threading/multitasking. Evidence of apps multitasking is for example a Samsung Note2 with multi-window support, although for some reason in the Samsung ROM you only can use some blessed apps multiwindowed, custom ROMs unlock this for app installed apps.

      Using Services give extra features/hints to the OS. Like auto(re)start. It also gives a simple way to detach the UI from lightweight background tasks.

    6. Re:sweet by citizenr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hopefully app acl list will be USER defined instead of app defined.
      How retarded is it for an app to blackmail you for Contact list/messages and phone calls just so you can play a game? How come its the app that decides and has the upper hand instead of the user? How come App can blackmail me and I cant simply REFUSE to give it data?
      I want to be able to define ACLs per application. I dont give a shit what app wants, it can eat a duck for all I care. Phone status? sure, feed it fake USER DEFINED status. I dont need a game to know that I have GPS enabled. You want GPS data? Sure, let me feed N38 53.86205 W77 2.19162.
      Its my phone damnit!

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    7. Re:sweet by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      I use CyanogenMod, I have no carrier limitations. If I wanted a phone that came, out of the box without limitations, I would get Nexus 4. Of all the other complaints about Android, by Meego Fans, most of them are irrelevant (word of the day), because Android already does it, with the sole exception of X-Windows support. And quite frankly, that is irrelevant on a phone IMHO, that is unless X-Windows can do something better on a 4 in screen that Android, iOS or even Firefox does, it is more irrelevancy. At this point, it doesn't

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    8. Re:sweet by Eunuchswear · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The maemo/meego devices have given users root access out of the box, perhaps you have to take one minor step to indicate you know what that means, but that's about all. These devices are there for you, and don't really try to protect themselves from their users/owners.

      Not actually true with Meego - AEGIS prevents even root from doing various things.

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    9. Re: sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Android does not have true multitasking. When I switch away from an app I can't be sure that I will come back to it in the same state that I left it in. This is especially annoying with Ajax heavy websites. They just reset to their initial state after I just wrote an email or took a picture.

      My puny little N900 could do this with 256 MB RAM. Why can't my Galaxy S3 with 1 GB do the same?

    10. Re: sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is not Android doing it wrong, but the application doing it wrong. There are events you can implement to solve this problem. And yes it is ironically the stock browser that fails to handle this situation. Opera Mini does this just fine, navigate somewhere and reboot the phone. Restart Opera and you will be where you left.

  2. Who gets root? by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Jolla, service provider, and/or device owner?

    1. Re:Who gets root? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's what I want to know too. With device owner root and a hardware keyboard this could be an N900 replacement.

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    2. Re:Who gets root? by fromhell091 · · Score: 2

      A response from Jolla account in google+ to an asnwer about putting an Ubuntu on Jolla OS: 'It is quite a hackable device, made by hackers'

  3. looking forward to it by stenvar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a developer, I'd find an alternative to Java/Dalvik and Objective-C/iOS pretty appealing.

  4. Why no real specs? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why are there no real specs? Makes me think this thing will be years out of date.

    I wish them well, but I am not going to settle for something that should have come out in 2011.

    1. Re:Why no real specs? by martinux · · Score: 2

      I agree that specs would be nice. However, as someone who's holding on to a N900 (a peerless mobile device IMHO) I'm just glad that between this and the efforts of the Firefox guys, we may see more open devices that let those of us who are interested in digging around under the hood can look forward to.

    2. Re:Why no real specs? by chriscappuccio · · Score: 2

      The N900 is peerless, until you want a phone that can hold a SIM card, then it literally starts to fail after 3 months. The design is guaranteed to fail and is fucking depressing for such an expensive phone.

  5. market share? by D1G1T · · Score: 2

    If Blackberry and Microsoft with their $Billions can't compete with Google and Apple, how can a tiny project like this?

    1. Re:market share? by mpol · · Score: 2

      > If Blackberry and Microsoft with their $Billions can't compete with Google and Apple, how can a tiny project like this?

      If everyone said that, we would not have Google or Apple. They too started as tiny projects. I wish them well, and hope to see them succeed.
      The Nokia N9 sold well in China. It has allready been in the news that Jolla has good relationships with Chinese and European carriers. They will sell, probably some millions. Who knows where things are going.

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    2. Re:market share? by KiloByte · · Score: 2

      Unlike Blackberry and Windows Phone, you can use any Linux desktop software without any modifications. Repackaging stuff for Jolla is a matter of adding some touchscreen adaptations here and there.

      Of course, they could avoided most of the problems by including a physical keyboard.

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  6. Phone hardware platform with expandability by molukki · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I found interesting was the concept of extending the phone functionality by changing the back cover. Want a QWERTY phone? No problem, swap the back cover to one with keyboard.

    1. Re:Phone hardware platform with expandability by jovius · · Score: 2

      Same here. It's an intriguing strategy they are trying to pull off. The central Jolla platform is expandable by third party hardware vendors, who can become the other half of the device, not just an external peripheral maker. This kind of modularity will surely become more prevalent in the future, because smaller and smaller parts are made to be smart in some way. The Jolla platform functionality will be quickly copied though, but hopefully the Sailfish OS will connect all together...

    2. Re:Phone hardware platform with expandability by jovius · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just found this quote by Mark Dillon the software director. Essentially anyone can create a cover (the tools are open):

      “Of course we will be offering a choice of Other Halves for the user to buy but this is a place where we want to see others get involved. Designers can design Other Halves for the device, engineers or hackers or techies can design new interfaces and maybe add physical hardware features that they wish they had on their device but might have a smaller market than to deserve having a whole entire device,” he said. “We talked about 3D printing them today. So it could be those kinds of things, but really we’re offering a new kind of interface for a device so that people can really take their imagination, and I believe there will be a lot of third parties and a lot of people who have a lot of great ideas in order to help you use the Other Half of the Jolla device.”

  7. No keyboard, no care. by sethstorm · · Score: 2

    One of the things about the N900 (and the N950) was that it not only packed a ton of those features, it also had the hardware keyboard.

    I'd rather reflash an N900, warts and all, since this is just an N9++. Let me know when they make something like the N950 with that software on it, except that it's available to all this time around.

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  8. Re:Die, CDMA, die! by pavon · · Score: 2

    That would have been a short-sighted decision. CDMA was a much better upgrade path form our existing networks than GSM was and better suited for large rural areas, which the US has more of than western/central Europe. Where the FCC screwed up was that the way LTE frequency was allocated let to greater fragmentation, when it should have been an opportunity to improve compatibly and thus competition.

  9. Real multitasking by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3, Informative

    I used to have an N900 running Maemo with "true multitasking". A poorly-written app in the background (like Firefox with the "full Web experience" of Flash) would run down the battery in two hours. But at least I could use top to find the problem and kill -9 it.

    Now I use Android where apps are specifically written to be aware of my battery.

  10. Re:Die, CDMA, die! by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

    The OP made the point that with GSM hardware is decoupled from paid services, so he was talking about the advantage of the GSM (2GSM, UMTS, LTE) standard.

    The GP is wrong in suggesting that it would have been shortsighted and is using a lot of the myths that Qualcomm spread about GSM to promote that view. Qualcomm could have made a decent phone standard, but they felt the carriers wanted "a digital version of AMPS" and that's pretty much, functionally, what they originally created, with messaging and data being grafted on, clumsily, later, in a game of catch up that they never really won. By the time the TIA standards finally supported SIM cards the carriers were so locked to a SIMless platform they weren't prepared to implement it. And at that point it was pretty much clear that GSM/UMTS standards were so far ahead that Qualcomm would never catch up.

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