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FDA To Decide Fate of Triclosan, Commonly Used In Antibacterial Soaps
kkleiner writes "The FDA is finalizing its review of the antibacterial agent triclosan common to many soaps and other health/household products after four decades of use. Recent studies suggest the chemical may be harmful to animals and could interfere with the human immune system along with increasing the proliferation of antibiotic-resistant bacteria. The agency has been slow to cast a verdict, to much criticism considering its widespread use."
As if millions of hypochondriacs cried out in terror and suddenly went to check WebMD.
Personally, I find the thought that we put that stuff in our mouths every day much more worrying than the use in soaps. It's also in fabrics, clothing, plastic tools etc.
always works, especially older women
GERMS. OMG, GERMS. my wife used to buy this crap and i refused to use it because there was literature in the 90's about how it made you sicker in the end by screwing up your immune system
There is only on kind of soap that works, the one that ALL the doctors are using, the plain, simple, normal SOAP. No artificial ingredients, no strawberry scent (who wanna to eat soap!!!) nothing.
Unless your sick you should not take antibiotics as it raises your resistance to them. Save them for when you need them and they will work much better.
So if they ban it in soap, will people start washing their hands with Colgate's Total toothpaste? I'm sure there are already people who rub Colgate's "Optic White" in their eyes to whiten their vision.
after 4 decades of profit? Not likely.
where it is markedly better than anything else, though I wouldn't object to seeing it prescription only.
All other usages should be discontinued.
Further, _all_ anti-biotics should be on a rotating schedule, and only used for a period of time brief enough that it's unlikely bacteria will develop resistance, then some other similar anti-biotic rotated in, repeat as necessary, and new anti-biotics are added into the rotation schedule (and only used when prescribed by a doctor, or injected by a veterinarian).
This could be easily enforced by manipulating the expiration dates of anti-biotics.
William
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
That the widespread use of antibiotics would lead to an increase in resistance to antibiotics is plainly obvious, even to non-experts like me. Certainly the experts that study this know it too. So why are they surprised? Clearly, there must be something that made them think that maybe resistance will not increase. Would anybody please enlighten me?
Yet another extremely useful chemical being outlawed by dumbass statists because of some MORON liberals and leftists screaming about "saving the children!!!" What's next? I know!
Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
Dihydrogen monoxide:
- is the major component of acid rain
- contributes to the "greenhouse effect"
- it can cause severe burns in its gaseous state
- contributes to erosion
- accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals
- may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes
- has been found in tumors of terminal cancer patients
Despite the dangers, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
- as an industrial solvent and coolant.
- in nuclear power plants.
- in the production of styrofoam.
- as a fire retardant.
- in many forms of cruel animal research.
- as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.
VOTE OBAMA AND BAN BIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!!!!
Fucking statist idiots.
Vote Ron Paul 2016, save America from liberals leftists and statists.
Is it not nature that the unhealthy do not pass on their genes? We evolved too, not just the bacteria... except we stopped. Insensitive? no, realistic - stop living in a dreamworld you can't ever completely win against nature. It is one thing to take precautions by not swimming in your shit pool and quite another to wage an expensive a war against nature.
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It isn't just the immune system that it affects. It has been shown to decrease muscle strength--including the heart. It also readily reacts with the chlorine in household tap water to form chloroform, a recognized carcinogen.
Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once
In soap really there isn't any evidence that it has a positive effect. Soap itself is a disinfectant, and triclosan isn't known to improve the effect. There is no reason to have triclosan in soap.
However triclosan in toothpaste really does prevent gingivitis.
The question is whether or not there are unintended consequences. I'm skeptical - too many of these studies are not reproducible, such as in the case of bisphenol-a.
http://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2013/0102-previous-studies-on-toxic-effects-of-bpa-couldn%E2%80%99t-be-reproduced-says-mu-research-team/
All the more reason I don't wash my hands! :D
If toothpaste did not include the deadly neuro-toxin Fluoride. Fluoride is inbetween arsenic and lead as far as toxicity, and I don't think you'd want to be brushing your teeth with either of those.
I've been using non Fluoride toothpaste for a while now and my dental health has already improved.
Ok, I admit to being a bit older than most slashdotters, but once upon a time, there was hexachlorophene. Although I think the possibility of hexachlorophene being carcinogenic was the cause of its ban, I seem to recall concerns regarding bacteria becoming resistant to it as also mentioned.
Geology - it's not rocket science; it's rock science
Let's do some figures:
1. I'm assuming 2 hours is round trip, and average speed is 30 mph. That's 60 miles. At 30 mpg, that's $8 for fuel
2. Maintenance, accident risk, depreciation, etc... : $4
3. I value my time at around $10/hour for avoiding driving, so there's another $20, actually the single largest expense.
Total cost to drive to your store: $32. If they can get you your meat products for less than that, have it shipped.
If you can afford to buy the stuff in the first place, you probably value your time at more than $10.
I don't read AC A human right
When it comes to operations though, they can spend over 2 minutes washing, easy. While 'plain old soap' is very much a step, to my knowledge they also use a anti-microbial soap that's NOT based on triclosan in favor of some prescription level compound.
But from what I'm seeing from my searches, common anti-microbial soaps are no better than regular soap, and even when it is 'better', the difference borders on 'insignificant'.
I don't read AC A human right
According to this: http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/45/Supplement_2/S137.long -
"Soaps containing triclosan within the range of concentrations commonly used in the community setting (0.1%–0.45% wt/vol) were no more effective than plain soap at preventing infectious illness symptoms and reducing bacterial levels on the hands."
The trick with this is that while studies have found that triclosan is mostly ineffective at improving the efficiency of soaps, the reports I've read is that there is normally a very measurable cut in the cleaning effectiveness of detergents where the phosphates are removed.
It's taken a bit for people to get used to the new, lesser effectiveness and/or for companies to develop detergents that are effective despite their lack.
I don't read AC A human right
Indeed, it is libertarians all the way down in corporate thinking,
Your view on libertarian belief systems is extremely distorted. Some counterpoints: /Mild libertarian; more because I'm pissed at both the democrat and republican parties than because I toe the libertarian line 100%.
1. Libertarians typically don't believe in the 'personhood' of corporations. Ergo a 'corporation' can't misbehave. It might create liability for itself, but for actual misbehavior you should always be able to determine a *PERSON* who made said bad decision. If executives have to worry about prison...
2. "Government testing and standards" - Do you realize that the largest testing organizations are private? UL, Underwriters Laboratories, is independent.
3. Not all companies are publicly traded such that you can purchase stock in them.
I don't read AC A human right
Kinksters used this stuff as a topical prep for needles/hooks/scalpels (not common hand soap, the real deal). More prevalently I believe it was a surgical prep, and a damn good one. I heard from a medical professional that it may even have been able to get inside a wound without any badness. Great stuff, worked really well to get rid of almost everything (long story short: no anti-microbial/bacterial gets rid of everything, triclosan is one of the best from what I understand).
So yeah, it vanished off shelves a couple years ago.
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I thought silver was also a thing, but it looks like you're right.
I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't eventually generate tests for copper infused working surfaces.
One interesting thing was that wood handles can harbor bacteria in any grooving, but I also remember studies about wood vs plastic for cutting boards saying that while wood will harbor bacteria more than plastic, unlike plastic the bacteria tend to stick to the wood better - meaning it gets onto your food less.
I don't read AC A human right
Ivory Liquid Hand Soap. MSDS here:
http://www.pgproductsafety.com/productsafety/msds/beauty_care/personal_cleansing/Ivory_Liquid_Hand_Soap_(99735542).pdf
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The hospitals here are already asking in their long list of questions if you are living on a farm. In that case they might have to consider you carry bacteria that are resistant to multiple antibiotics. I already heard about cases of these people not getting a bed in the hospital , because the extra quarantine bed that are required for people carrying Multiple Resitant bacteria are not available.
...paving the way for the true, hardened killers.
It is pure junk and not useful whatsoever. No need for it to be in soaps.