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Kim Dotcom Wants Money From Google, Twitter For 2-Factor Authentication

Nyder writes "Kim Dotcom posted via Twitter, with a link to Torrentfreak, that he owns a security patent US6078908, titled 'Method for authorizing in data transmission systems.'" Techdirt points out that Dotcom isn't just asking for financial help: Instead, he's asking companies which use two-factor authentication "to help fund his defense, in exchange for not getting sued for the patent. He points out that his actual funds are still frozen by the DOJ and (more importantly) that his case actually matters a great deal to Google, Facebook and Twitter, because the eventual ruling will likely set a precedent that may impact them -- especially around the DMCA." Update: 05/23 14:23 GMT by T : Why is this relevant to Twitter? If you're not an active Twitter user, you might not realize that (after some well publicized twitter-account hijackings), the company is trying to regain some ground on security. Nerval's Lobster writes "Twitter is now offering two-factor authentication, a feature that could help prevent embarrassing security breaches. Twitter users interested in activating two-factor authentication will need to head over to their account settings page and click the checkbox beside 'Require a verification code when I sign in.'"

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  1. Extortion maybe? by zitsky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is the definition of extortion, Alex?

    1. Re:Extortion maybe? by GodInHell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Offering to waive a right in return for settlement without bringing suit is not extortion.

    2. Re:Extortion maybe? by Yvanhoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is, but in US it is legal.

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    3. Re:Extortion maybe? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Offering to waive a right in return for settlement without bringing suit is not extortion.

      Wow, that means that the Prenda and MAFIAA guys are actually good guys!

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    4. Re:Extortion maybe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Threatening others with patents are bad... Well until it's done by someone we like. Then clearly it's okay. Slashtard hypocrisy never fails to amuse.

    5. Re:Extortion maybe? by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "What is the definition of extortion, Alex?"

      Funny that you ask me, since I have an extortion charge on my criminal record.

      This isn't extortion. There's no criminal threat to cause bodily harm or injury to reputation going along with the demand for money. 'Pay or I sue' is not extortion. 'Pay or I'll hurt you somehow' is.

      This is essentially how our patent system is supposed to work.

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    6. Re:Extortion maybe? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      The second AC to post sums it up. Without the players, there is no game. The players ARE the game.

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    7. Re: Extortion maybe? by NFN_NLN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If he has no money to fight his legal battles, he has no money to sue Google or anyone else. So I think the appropriate response should "Fuck off."

      That's how you know the system is working properly: winning isn't based on the validity of the patent... it's based on how much money you have.

      Sarcasm off.

    8. Re: Extortion maybe? by tattood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If he has no money to fight his legal battles, he has no money to sue Google or anyone else.

      I'm sure one of the many patent troll companies would be happy to foot the bill for the legal costs in return for a large chunk of the settlement if they win.

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  2. How about this? by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sign a patent deal with them that if they will fully fund his defense, he'll agree to not sue anyone and when the case is over he'll turn the patent over to the public domain.

    1. Re:How about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about we not give a free pass to a patent troll just because he used to host a popular, thinly veiled warez site?

  3. Kim-Dot-Con by Shoten · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It bears mentioning that Kim Dotcom was once named Kimble Schwartz, who basically went from one moneymaking scheme to another. Kimvestor, for example, got him jailed for securities violations. YIHAT was a front of an organization that tried to rally people around hacking terrorists. The list goes on and on. About 15 years ago he was noted as being a fraud in the security space, despite claiming to be a hacker. I think he got lucky with Megaupload, but now he's back to his old usual failing-yet-highly-vocal self.

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    1. Re:Kim-Dot-Con by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 2

      Don't forget the "music career" with that tasteless music video!

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    2. Re:Kim-Dot-Con by Shoten · · Score: 2

      Don't forget the "music career" with that tasteless music video!

      Oh yeah! Forgot about that one...it's easy to lose track of all the ways this self-indulgent butthead has tried to reinvent himself.

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    3. Re:Kim-Dot-Con by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm surprised this was actually modded up here... The hivemind has something of a hard-on for Kim Dotcom, anyone who was even mildly critical of him during the Megaupload situation was immediately dismissed as a troll.

      It's rather smugly satisfying to see him turn the tables completely and reveal himself as a patent troll now that he needs some extra cash. It's even more satisfying to know that he's ALWAYS been a money grubbing scumbag, because from what you've posted here, those same people running to his defense should have known better.

    4. Re:Kim-Dot-Con by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I always thought he was a scumbag. I don't understand why Slashdot and others treat him like some kind of folk hero.

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    5. Re:Kim-Dot-Con by Desler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Enemy of my enemy, apparently.

  4. Re:Here's what you say by lxs · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone should lock Julian Assange, John Mcaffee and Kim Dotcom in one room for a month and film it. I'd probably pay to watch that.

  5. Re:Empty threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What does that say for 'anyone' with a legitimate patent claim but no funds to defend it?

  6. Go ahead, sue Google by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    See what happens.

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    1. Re:Go ahead, sue Google by Laxori666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Um. Kim's actual twitter message was "Google, Facebook, Twitter, I ask you for help. We are all in the same DMCA boat. Use my patent for free. But please help funding my defense." That's not really threatening to sue, that's asking for help. Yellow journalism much?

    2. Re:Go ahead, sue Google by Desler · · Score: 5, Informative

      I never sued them. I believe in sharing knowledge & ideas for the good of society. But I might sue them now cause of what the U.S. did to me

      From here. In your hasty attempt to defend Kim Dotcom you might have wanted to actually do a but more research.

  7. Re:Here's what you say by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please add Steve Ballmer and a good supply of chairs.

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  8. Re:Empty threat by doconnor · · Score: 2

    He could sell the patent to someone who can.

  9. Re:Here's what you say by DogDude · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kim Dotcom would just eat the other two.

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  10. Re:Here's what you say by cavok · · Score: 2

    You are missing RMS there..

  11. Re:Empty threat by Desler · · Score: 2

    Where has it been determined that he has a valid patent claim?

  12. Prior Art - ATM? by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It baffles me that two-factor authentication patents can be valid. Haven't ATM machines always done that (One factor - the ATM card, the second factor is the PIN)? What about USB key+password decryption? I know the patent system is broken, but this should get thrown out when challenged. More interesting, what advice is Dotcom's lawyer giving him? Or does New Zealand legal system not provide lawyers to someone arrested there who can't afford one?

    1. Re:Prior Art - ATM? by Jahta · · Score: 2

      It baffles me that two-factor authentication patents can be valid.

      Me too. According to Google's patent search, he filed the patent in 1998. In 1996 I worked on an online banking application that used two-factor authentication. Each customer was issued with a hand-held device (about the size of a small calculator) which generated a transaction authorisation number (TAN) in response to a challenge from the online system. The devices were commercially available at least two years before the patent filing.

    2. Re:Prior Art - ATM? by Kaenneth · · Score: 2

      Which costs more; paying lawyers to defend Dotcom; or paying lawyers to defend a Patent case?

      Which one has the worst-case outcome, for the shareholders?

  13. Re:Here's what you say by PRMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    First, Ballmer throws a chair at Assange but he catches it and stands on it to make sure that he's bigger than everyone in the room. Dotcom then eats Mcafee but immediately has a heart attack because of eating too much salt. Ballmer charges at Assange but his plan of attack is all screwed up and he hits the wall instead. Assange writes about the deaths of all the others on a Wikileaks exclusive.

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  14. Re:Good luck enforcing that patent by PRMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm pretty sure they said it was valid in a dozen countries and that Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are international companies...

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  15. After reading the patent, Google is in the clear.. by sl3xd · · Score: 2

    After having actually read the patent, it looks like Google Authenticator, for example is in the clear.

    The patent states that the following must occur:

    1.) User inputs a password
    2.) Authenticating device receives the password from #1, generates a password, and sends this new password out-of-band to an external device. (Pager, phone, etc)
    3.) Person then reads the password from the device
    4.) Person inputs the new password into their computer
    5.) Computer sends second password over to authenticating device.
    6.) Authenticating device finally grants access.

    Google authenticator works differently.
    1.) User input password
    2.) User inputs password read from device
    3.) BOTH are sent over the network to the authenticating computer, at the same time.
    4.) Authenticating computer grants access.

    Note that Google Authenticator does not generate the 'multi-factor' password after receiving the first password from the user.

    The multi-factor password is streamed passed to the (pager, phone, etc.) every X seconds.

    It's an entirely different mechanism.

    Which means that my already low opinion of this guy is now lower, as he's descended into obvious patent troll territory.

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