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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Offers 2,304 Cores For $650
Vigile writes "When NVIDIA released the GTX Titan in February, it was the first consumer graphics card to use the GK110 GPU from NVIDIA that included 2,688 CUDA cores / shaders and an impressive 6GB of GDDR5 frame buffer. However, it also had a $1000 price tag that was the limiting specification for most gamers. With today's release of the GeForce GTX 780 they are hoping to utilize more of the GK110 silicon they are getting from TSMC while offering a lower cost version with performance within spitting range. The GTX 780 uses the same chip but disables a handful more compute units to bring the shader count down to 2,304 — still an impressive bump over the 1,536 of the GTX 680. The 384-bit memory bus remains though the frame buffer is cut in half to 3GB. Overall, the performance of the new card sits squarely between the GTX Titan ($1000) and AMD's Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition ($439), just like its price. The question is, are PC gamers willing to shell out $220+ dollars MORE than the HD 7970 for somewhere in the range of 15-25% more performance?" As you might guess, there's similarly spec-laden coverage at lots of other sites, including Tom's, ExtremeTech, and TechReport. HotHardware, too.
nVidia's compute architecture still sucks compared to AMD/Stream, and more cores won't fix it.
There's a reason nobody builds bitcoin miners with nVidia/CUDA. There's a reason nobody who builds serious gaming rigs uses nVidia/CUDA. There's a reason nobody who is serious about computational problems still uses it.
CUDA is dead. Has been for a while now.
Is anyone else getting real tired of companies purposely crippling their high end products in order to sell them for less money? It's like openly broadcasting that their cards cost way too much to begin with.
Will it play WoW on high settings?
Im a little surprised at people snivelling over 1000.00 video cards. I was in printing for 10 years back in "the day" and a supermac thunder card (with on board jpeg acceleration) was 2500.00
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I must have crossed the border into adulthood somewhere back there because I would never pay that much for a performance uptick in a video game. I can get myself a nice new laptop for that cash, and it would be still be proficient at 90% of today's games.
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Ten years more and it will be one core per pixel. That's insane.
People complain that Macs cost too much and then you get news like this about video cards that cost as much as the entry-level Apple laptop.
Hell, I could pay both my rent and electricity bill for two fucking months for the price of one GTX Titan card.
Well, by tradition I don't pay more than ~$250 for a graphics card, so it's interesting but still MUCH too expensive for me. But give it a year or so and it might be in that price range, at which point I'm probably going to say 2304 cores is plenty.
NVIDIA doesn't care at all about linux users. As Linus Torvalds said: "Nvidia is the worst company regarding linux support! FUCK U NVIDIA!!".
There a lot bugs in the linux drivers that exists since 2011 and NVIDIA doesn't care, doesn't acknowledge that they exists, and doesn't provide even a work around. The latest driver from NVIDIA is a JOKE for any labtop users that use linux, nothing more. As NVIDIA is the worst, any bad driver from AMD is still better. So who cares about NVIDIA?
...hardcore gamers are idiots.
If this was a previous generation where AMD was actually still competitive, Titan would have been the high end part, and it would have cost $500 instead of $1000. The part known as GTX 780 would have been a slightly depopulated part capable of 90% the performance for a 20% savings or so and the rest of the line would have fallen under those two. Since AMD is no longer really a threat in the high-end GPU space, Nvidia can literally maintain the MSRPs of the old parts as if the new parts are merely higher performing extensions of the previous generation without any downward pricing pressure on anything.
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these babies rendering images of Natalie Portman covered in hot grits!
Anything more the $250, and it's likely you won't find any game out there that can't be played well with a $250 card.
This is where I get to laugh when I hear all the PC junkie boys running to go spend another 800 bucks while I spend 400 on a gaming console that everybody makes fun of. Meanwhile, I get 8-10 years of use out of that console while you pc junkies spend the equivalent of a small used car on graphic upgrades that make no sense from a gaming perspective and definitely not monetarily.
Until I was asked to write a few tech. articles on bitcoin and other virtual currencies last year, I didn't really pay a lot of attention to them. But I've learned that high end ATI video cards are pretty much the "engines" required for any respectable bitcoin/litecoin mining rig to work successfully.
(As a rule, nVidia cards have been ignored as "not as good of performers as ATI" for this specific use -- though I wonder how this GTX 780 would do?)
People building these mining rigs generally cram 3 - 4 of the cards on one motherboard, and run several identically configured machines at a time -- meaning a pretty hefty investment in video boards. It makes me wonder if this isn't really a significant reason for the sales of the more costly models, as opposed to the audience you'd assume was buying them -- 3D gamers?
Welp, it took about 5 years.
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With AMDs A-series and the up-coming Kaveri architecture, 90% of desktop users will find what they require right there, at an amazing price. Only 10% or less require a massive and dedicated graphics card and/or a massive CPU.
I really think AMD is doing the most innovative work at the moment, and that they're on the right path with APUs and HSA.
We do love our big numbers, but there are limits to what our eyes can perceive in FPS. What does this mean for real world applications like video encoding and password cracking? How long do we anticipate having to wait for tech like this to get affordable? Also, how does this compare to the nVidia Tesla, the current gold standard in password cracking?
I saw only one reference to nVidia Tesla (and no references to password cracking or video encoding) in those reviews (@Tech Report), and it might be damning:
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kinda off topic, but I hope Nvidia releases the successors to the GeForce 630 and 640 later this year. I need a new low-end card for my PCIe 1.1 slot.
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Seriously, for some people, gaming is their hobby and that kind of money is not that much when you talk what people spend on hobbies. My coworker just bought himself like a $2000 turbo for his car, to replace (or augment, I'm not sure) the one that's already there. He has no need for it, but he likes playing with his car.
Now that you, and most others, don't want to spend that kind of money is understandable and not problematic. There's a reason why companies have a lineup of stuff and why the high end stuff is just for those with plenty of money. It also doesn't scale linearly since the higher end something is, the less units get sold, and so the more the fixed costs influence the unit cost.
However don't hate on it. That you don't wish to spend that kind of money doesn't mean that nobody should. Also you should be glad people do: The expensive parts fund the cheap parts. They can recover more R&D costs on these units, letting them sell lower end parts for less, since lower end parts are the same tech, just less of it.
Where have you been since 1997? Since then you've been able to consistently spend roughly $200 per video card and play the latest games at acceptable settings. That's why people cast a sneer at a $1,000 card let alone a $650 card that in of itself can build a really fast computer.
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If you want higher resolutions and frame rates, you need more powerful GPUs to handle it. For example moving to 2560x1600 or to 120fps doubles the pixel requirement over 1920x1080@60fps. So whatever amount of power you needed to achieve 1080p60, double that for either of those targets. 4k will require a quadrupling, and 120fps 4k would require 8x the power.
All this is assuming you are getting 60fps in the first place. Now maybe you are fine with trading off lower frame rates, or lower resolutions, that's all up to you. If 720p30 is your target, you can get away with a whole lot less power. However that doesn't mean that nobody wants to target higher resolutions or frame rates.
There are also other visual quality settings to consider, like anti-aliasing and so on that can require more power. Depending on what you are targeting with that, you can need a lot of power.
Personally I really find frame rates much below 60 pretty annoying in most games. I really like the feeling of fluidity you get. 120 fps is even better, but the monitor I normally use doesn't handle that. Well maintaining that 60fps at a 2.5k resolution is not a trivial feat. I don't think a $250 graphics card would do that for most games.
You do realize AMD has been doing the same thing since the 5xxx series, right?
The DP FP performance of an HD4770 still trumps anything below 250-300 dollars. The only cards with similiarly scaling DP FP performance are the HD7950/7970 and the equivalent high end Nvidia cards.
Performance-wise the HD7790 is the closest modern equiv of the HD4770 and it's 1/15th rather than 1/5th the DP performance of the cards SP performance.
It doesn't matter who you're talking about, they're all boning us consumers on DP performance now.
Why given that Nvidia and AMD could almost be seen as colluding on this: They're DPing us on our low-end DP performance.
Their problem is that the cost of implementing large-die processors is getting extremely expensive compared to how it used to be. We used to see previous-generation processes used for high-end cores because the maturity overcame the extra cost of the large die. But now that large dies are prohibitive (and assuming prices cannot grow), the graphics makers have no way to improve performance until the new 20nm process is released.
Nvidia has an out because of their vase supercomputing following with Tesla and Cuda, so they can afford to make an outlandish GPU like GK110 and charge $3500 for it! This gives them a path to offer a "new" top-end card with more performance, but since it's powerful enough to *almost* cost them a Titan or Tesla sale, they still want to charge a premium. In the end of the day the ONLY chip Nvidia makes that is mass-market affordable is GK104, so that's why AMD has no response to the GK110.
AMD is plenty competitive. They revamped their drivers and improved silicon/clocks to make the HD 7970 GE the fastest graphics card on the market, and priced it lower than the GTX 680. The GTX 780 (And 770 to be released soon) are a direct response to that performance acheivement.
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You're paying for the luxury of what appears to be the world's first high-end video card with a built-in speaker. Nvidia finally reached the point where the polygons their products could produce exceeded the nominal human capacity to perceive them, so now they've added the ability to hear the extra polygons you can't see, as ultra-soothing HD Brown noise! The only side effect is that it reduces your available gaming time by increasing the number of bathroom breaks you need to take.
I don't understand why videophiles spend such huge amounts of money on just a graphics card.
No one would notice the difference between these new cards and the standard 3d cards. All this crazy stuff with gold plated connectors and thousands of 'shaders' (whatever they are) is just making money from gullible consumers.
I could understand spending that money on an audio system, where you could hear the difference, but for video it's pointless.
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