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Ask Slashdot: How To Determine If a Video Has Been Faked?

BStorm writes "The Toronto Mayor Rob Ford has been making headlines around the world, for allegedly smoking crack. This story was first broken by gawker.com, which is now crowd-funding $200,000 to buy the video in question. What do you look for to determine if a video has been faked? Of course I am only interested in the technical details and not the tawdry details related to this case ;) I live in Toronto, so the video still frame posted on Gawker certainly does look like Rob Ford."

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  1. Windows Movie Maker by buy59 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you want to edit or create videos, there's no better software than Windows Movie Maker. Create real or faked videos - it's all possible.

    1. Re:Windows Movie Maker by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, fake movies are best produced with a fake movie editor.

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    2. Re:Windows Movie Maker by Ian+A.+Shill · · Score: 2
      Microsoft clearly has the fastest stuff. It has Super Frist Post Powers(TM)!

      You posted so fast, with such insightful prose. I wish I was you, because you are awesome!

      When you get first post that survives moderation, usually it means you control the majority of the discussion. I hope it works, because Microsoft is teh bestorz! I really want in on this, why should the rest of us post for free? We want to be paid for our first posts too. I need to get me some of that software Microsoft is supplying you and your friends so I can achieve Most Outstanding Wise First Post achievement.

      Tell me, when you create an account, how many times do you use it? What are the guidelines? Post once, and on to the next account? I really think it's unfair of you and your friends to not cut us in on the action.

      If you want to edit or create videos, there's no better software than Windows Movie Maker. Create real or faked videos - it's all possible.

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      To address the *actual* topic at hand, the problem as I see it, is that the video doesn't (and probably couldn't) "prove" what Coach Ford was smoking in that pipe. My gut instinct is that it is him in the video, and his recorded words will do the most harm.

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  2. The pixels! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I usually look at the pixels. I've seen a lot of them in my time, so I can usually tell when they're fake.

    1. Re:The pixels! by Vanderhoth · · Score: 3

      That was pretty awesome, but NSFW if anyone else happens to care.

    2. Re:The pixels! by JustOK · · Score: 3, Funny

      reddit would be better, doncha think?

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    3. Re:The pixels! by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 3, Informative

      Only if compared to a steaming turd on your plate at dinner.

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    4. Re:The pixels! by Khyber · · Score: 4, Funny

      At least we don't go accusing the wrong people of blowing people up, unlike Reddit.

      At least we don't start witch hunts, unlike Reddit.

      At least we focus on technology, unlike Reddit.

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    5. Re:The pixels! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indeed. Just the other day, I spotted a #7F7F7F, and knew right away I was looking at a fake.

      I dunno. Seems like kind of a gray area, to me.

  3. it's really really hard by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Here's a blog post on why the moon landing could not have been faked.

    http://www.geek.com/news/why-it-was-impossible-to-fake-the-1969-moon-landing-1537386/

    It's fairly similar reasons why the Ford Video is real, and explains why His Immensity hasn't had anything to say since the story broke.

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    1. Re:it's really really hard by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here's a blog post on why the moon landing could not have been faked.

      Of course, even easier is the science behind the Lunar Laser Ranging experiment.

      Since it relies on placing a retro-reflector in a known position on the lunar surface, and understanding the physics behind it, you'd have had to have been there to do it.

      Of course, for those who believe the moon landing was fake (or anything else which involves a blatant denial of science), no amount of refutation of their claims is ever going to work -- they're too invested in their beliefs to be swayed by facts.

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    2. Re:it's really really hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The moon landing could not have been faked because:

      The USSR.

      (unless your conspiracy theory includes the Russians using their own space tech to observe no moon landing taking place, and then deciding not to tell anyone, because they were secretly best buddies with the USA)

    3. Re:it's really really hard by sosume · · Score: 2

      If he smoked crack, he sure doesn't do it as a lifestyle, judging by his age, red face and surplus weight.
      It's more probable that these people used a double, picking clothes from pictures in the media, and are now trying to make a quick buck.
      Smartest thing to do for the mayor would be taking a drug test. Presuming he's innocent. And willing to open his medical record to the public.

    4. Re:it's really really hard by Minwee · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is the same guy who spent over a decade refusing to report his expenses as a City Councillor, kept his election spending secret until a municipal auditor forced him to reveal that he had spent far more than he was legally allowed to, and was impeached last year after taking bribes from companies that did business with the city. Rather than pay back $3150 (about one week's pay for him) when asked to and making the entire issue go away, he insisted on a lengthy court battle which cost the city and province over $100,000, demonstrated that he really didn't know what the words "Conflict of Interest" meant even when they did bite him in the butt (repeatedly), and was finally removed from office by the Ontario Superior Court. A second, taxpayer-funded appeal overturned that decision, allowing his royal Fordness to continue showing respect for taxpayers and cutting the waste out of government spending.

      Doing things the hard way isn't just a habit for Rob Ford, it's a way of life. He has a history of not doing the right thing even after every possible alternative has been exhausted -- He just makes up new things to do wrong. When confronted with a middle-aged woman dressed as Xena who tried to interview him for the CBC, he had a choice between talking to her or saying "No comment" and walking away. Instead, he called 911 and demanded that the police arrest her because, after all, he pays their salaries. When the story went public he insisted that he had done nothing wrong and certainly hadn't requested special treatment. All he needed to do to prove this was to ask that the recording of his 911 call be released to the public and he would be completely in the clear and never have to worry about it again.

      Know what? I still haven't heard that recording. And I'm not holding my breath on seeing any kind of drug test or medical report either.

    5. Re:it's really really hard by DriveDog · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing a Mars mirror wouldn't work quite as well since Mars has an atmosphere with dust and stuff blowing around. Now... if they could plant mirrors on Phobos and Deimos... then the only worry would be the Doom monsters.

    6. Re:it's really really hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The moon landing could not have been faked because:

      The USSR.

      (unless your conspiracy theory includes the Russians using their own space tech to observe no moon landing taking place, and then deciding not to tell anyone, because they were secretly best buddies with the USA)

      Close. The landings themselves weren't fake... we landed on the Moon, alright. But the footage of it is fake. NASA also faked the Russians. Completely fake nation.

    7. Re:it's really really hard by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Funny

      well,

      actually they(moon landing conspiracy theorists) believe that USA and USSR did everything in orchestration, even the fall of the USSR.
      and well, everyone in europe being in the same conspiracy boat as well. they think that pretty much everyone else is "in" the conspiracy.
      it's pretty hard to explain why they would fake the space race though whilst staying sensible at all, so quite many of them seem to believe in UFO's as well - and in that the government has antigravity technology they received from the aliens and that the space race was just a diversion.

      it snowballs pretty quickly... which might be an indication that they did go to the moon.

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    8. Re:it's really really hard by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok, first and foremost, we landed on the moon. I'm not arguing that we didn't. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. If John Glenn reads this I kindly ask that he not punch me in the face.

      Now. All a retro reflector proves is that we landed something on the moon. Landing 'something' is a lot easier than landing people. The Russians could have very trivially mounted a retro reflector to their lunar rover and we could bounce lasers off them the exact same way you can bounce lasers off the reflectors the Apollo astronauts left behind. There are many good pieces of evidence to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that a manned lunar landing happened; the Lunar Ranging Experiment isn't one of them.

    9. Re:it's really really hard by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      Not that I don't believe we went to the Moon, but suggesting it couldn't have been faked because some video technology didn't exist at the time seems a poor argument. It would have been cheaper and easier to develop said technology in secret than to fly to the Moon.

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    10. Re:it's really really hard by Khyber · · Score: 2

      The LRE is a PERFECT example.

      The second retroreflector installed had to be hand-aimed.

      Which means you had to be there in PERSON. July 21, 1969, Apollo 11 crew. They installed the second retroreflector.

      Let's not forget Apollo 14 and 15, which put larger retroreflectors on the surface, and aimed them back at Earth.

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    11. Re:it's really really hard by swalve · · Score: 2

      I thought the whole point of a retroreflector is that it reflects back at the sender no matter where it is "aimed".

    12. Re:it's really really hard by DriveDog · · Score: 2

      Yeah, you're just covering for the monsters...

  4. Physics. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most of the time when a picture or video has been faked or photoshopped, you can probably tell if you look at it carefully. Their usually isn't something quite right, about it, that most people will miss.

    For example odd lighting. If you superimpose an image chances are you do not have the lighting just right.

    Picture Fragments. Sometimes if you look at photoshopped pics (Even professional ones) you might find extra or removed limbs or fingers. Or some impossible feat of a part of the body that somehow is in front of something that couldn't possible be.

    Extra Sharp or Blurry: Sometimes thing of interest that is added in later is taken with better skills than the background so you will see a blurry picture with a sharp object. Or they will cover up the whole picture by making everything blurry. If the image seems like it was taken from an iPhone but it was super blurry more than what the device does you can probably expect it has been altered somehow.

    Dithering/Anti-Alias methods: Most digital cameras on full resolution tend to have some dithering to the colors (Those sparkly bits that don't seem to exist in real life) Then some equipment scales it down a bit and adds some Anti-Aliasing to make the colors more smooth and natural looking. If you add a fake element chances are those methods will be different. Say a smooth well anti-aliased pipe, with a dithered person.

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    1. Re:Physics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Faking a video by photoshopping it together from other video sources would indeed be rather hard to do convincingly. However, why bother with photoshopping? Just get a lookalike actor and a decent makeup technician, and produce a perfectly "real" low-fi home video. Especially when the subject is supposed to be whacked out of their gourd on drugs, you don't need to meticulously recreate their familiar sober style of speech and body-language.

    2. Re:Physics. by PapayaSF · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just get a lookalike actor and a decent makeup technician, and produce a perfectly "real" low-fi home video.

      And, indeed, there was an online ad Looking for a Rob Ford look alike/imposter (Toronto), though it seems to date from January 2012, and of course it may be entirely unrelated.

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  5. Crowdfunding? Really? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 2

    You know, if the major news outlets that could afford to shell out for the video aren't touching it with a ten foot pole, maybe you should take that as a sign that it's not worth the money.

  6. Depends on the format... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Informative

    With jpeg(and I think at least some of the mpeg flavors), quantization matrices can be your friend.

    Different hardware and software uses different matrices. This isn't a slam-dunk(if somebody just lightened the image a bit to bring out the detail, the quantization matrix would scream "Photoshop!", despite that being pretty innocuous); but it makes it rather harder for a clueless faker to simulate a 'right off the camcorder' "authentic" video if the last compression was almost certainly performed with editing software.

    Depending on the details of the format, there are likely to be a variety of other things that are optional or implementation-specific(at least within certain ranges) that can be examined to try to source a given file. If implementation(or quality level/encode settings)-specific details vary between sections of the video, or between parts of individual frames, that's probably a bad sign.

    If you have enough footage, and ideally access to the alleged source hardware, you can also attempt to characterize physical defects in the sensor. All digital image sensors, to one degree or another, exhibit imperfect linearity. Some pixels are 'hot', some are abnormally insensitive, this is especially visible on long exposures, or in very dark scenes, where the hot pixels tend to stand out. Onboard image processors have gotten increasingly good at squelching minor sensor noise, so this isn't easy; but a given CCD or CMOS sensor will have a noise pattern that is extremely difficult to replicate. It's just an open question whether you'll actually be able to see enough noise to identify it.

  7. Simple test by Alomex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Q: Has the person appearing on it sued the pants off the holders?

    Yes: Probably fake

    No: Most likely genuine

  8. The better question being... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

    Why should we give $200,000 to drug dealers?

    They are the ones setting up the mayor and the ones selling the video. Regardless of the authenticity if the government enticed you into breaking the law and filmed it, it's called entrapment which is inadmissible as evidence. However if some enterprising drug dealers entice you into breaking the law and film it somehow it's okay.

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    1. Re:The better question being... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      However if some enterprising drug dealers entice you into breaking the law and film it somehow it's okay.

      And if you're already in the middle of breaking the law and your cohorts film you doing it ... well, that's just life.

      See, if nobody enticed him into doing anything, it isn't entrapment. It's being stupid enough to get caught on camera doing something illegal.

      What, you think if this was real the mayor simply bowed to peer pressure and cajoling from a bunch of drug dealers he happened to be innocently hanging out with discussing fiscal policy?

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  9. Re:Give me a budget! by Ambvai · · Score: 2

    Similarly, my first thought was the Cottingley Fairies... these girls took photos of alleged fairies out in the woods and created a media uproar. People were brought in and the photos were deemed to be genuine. The catch is that the photos were real... and the fairies were cutouts.

  10. Re:what about the video toaster? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

    The TriCaster is the direct descendant of the Video Toaster. The last hardware product called "Video Toaster" was the Video Toaster Screamer, a MIPS-based machine sold in 1993.

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  11. It's all a misunderstanding. by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

    What Mayor Ford doesn't want to admit is that the video is real, but it was taken while he was in the middle of secret negotiations with rival Toronto and Scarborough gangs. Ford was trying to broker a peace treaty and also recruit the gang members to work as the city's new sanitation engineering team, allowing him to cut the fat at city hall and pass on the savings to the taxpayers he respects.

    Due to the tense nature of the meetings and the highly strung personalities present, Ford was loathe to bring something so provocative and weapon-shaped as his asthma inhaler, so he had no choice but to settle for a large glass pipe filled with prescription corticosteroids.

    To minimize the possibility of rival gangs finding out about the meetings, all discussions were conducted in code. When he said "Justin Trudeau’s a fag", what he really meant was "I agree with your interpretation of paragraph seventeen, but I still feel that it contradicts the spirit of section seven which is also laid out in the preamble" and "those kids are just effing minorities" was a code phrase for "We cannot compromise on the issue of banked sick days, and have you ever been to the Russian Tearoom on Adelaide? Their curried chicken salad is to die for."

    It's all quite obvious when you look at it. It's just the vast left wing media conspiracy that is trying to blow it out of proportion and make it look like something inappropriate.

  12. Re:Fake requires motive by Minwee · · Score: 2

    A mayor is not a random anonymous schmuck so he presumably has opponents, rivals, or even enemies.

    Would one of these stand to gain from a fake movie? Is it worthwhile to them? Such cold analysis is a reasonable approach, I think.

    Okay, that narrows it down to "Everybody who lives in downtown Toronto". Clearly you're on to something.

  13. Wasted money by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gawker is spending $200,000 to get a rise out of embarrassing a politician. It would be far to use it for something such as donating to the EFF, fighting the next SOPA or some other similar cause. Donating personal money for this cause is something only a tool would do.

  14. How To Determine If a Video Has Been Faked? by Tarlus · · Score: 3, Funny

    You submit it to Mythbusters.

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  15. Re:I believe the entire media sphere has been trol by toby · · Score: 2

    " I think smoking crack is extremely out-of-character for him"

    —bwahahahhahah

    "video of drunken bumblingness, ..., or just general belligerence"

    —it has that *as well*, including slurs against Justin Trudeau, gays, and the kids he spends his afternoons coaching instead of working.

    "kudos to the epic trolls who started the rumour"

    —The video is not a "rumour". It's out there and has been seen by journalists who didn't have the $200K on them at the time.

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  16. First, the process of elimination. by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does the video include footage of a female having an orgasm?