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Microsoft Files Dispute Against Current Owner of XboxOne.com

MojoKid writes "Microsoft might have one of the most talked-about products at the moment with the Xbox One, but would you believe it doesn't own the rights to the most obvious domain name to accompany it? Domain squatting is a real issue for companies about to launch a new product. If they register a domain before the official launch, people can find that and subsequently ruin the company's surprise. This particular case is different, however. The domain name wasn't registered just the other day. Instead, a UK resident registered the name XboxOne.com in December of 2011, long before Microsoft itself even likely had a definitive name for its upcoming console. So, what can a company do in this instance? File a dispute with the National Arbitration Forum, an ICANN-approved organization that specializes in dealing with these sorts of matters."

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  1. Xbox One? Oh my! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They's better change that ridiculous name instead.

    1. Re:Xbox One? Oh my! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They probably did that and yielded no results with Bing...

    2. Re:Xbox One? Oh my! by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You'd think they'd at least do a quick type-it-into-their-browser before the launch.

      Well even searching for a name can trigger registrations of that name. I've had this happen to me while
      searching for a name for a customer, I checked several registrars to be sure the name was free. Made the
      mistake of doing this over a couple of weeks, and by the time they gave me the go-ahead it was snapped up
      by some guy in a spanish speaking country. (The domain only made sense in english).
      Sure enough he would sell it for $1000. (Actually he wanted the equivalent in Mexican Pesos.)

      In fact the article says:

      XboxOne.com isn't being used for anything, so it's in effect a squat

      So no matter how long ago he registered it he probably had inside information or results from domain name searches.

      That long in advance does seem a little odd, because tacking ONE on the end of stuff only became popular
      recently, the Nexus One was the first big example that comes to mind. I wonder how many other names
      this guy registered.

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    3. Re:Xbox One? Oh my! by crutchy · · Score: 5, Funny

      what about XBox For Workgroups

  2. What's there to dispute? by wbane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fork over some money, Micro$oft, if you want it that bad...

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    1. Re:What's there to dispute? by Squiddie · · Score: 4, Informative

      I kind of agree. They could have saved up all those lawyer fees and just paid the guy off. I'd take Microsoft money any day.

    2. Re:What's there to dispute? by MishgoDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They could have offered to buy the domain from the current owner for $1000, and saved 20% off the cost of the complaint fee, and avoided the costs that will be incurred for the legal representation altogether.

      Except:

      a) Creates a precedent - much better to encourage people to think there's no money in domain squatting against MS
      b) $400 is - literally - nothing to a company like this. They would consider the costs to be equivalent, and immaterial, and go for the one which has a better strategic flavour (be it PR, precedent, etc)

  3. I could never defend a cyber squatter by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the domain owner had actually been using the name (rather than just to show a default launch page) then I might have some sympathy for them. But those people who speculatively register thousands of domains just to extort money from legitimate users deserve to be sued.

    Nobody should ever reward the bad practices of those douchebags. They are the equivalent of patent trolls.

    1. Re:I could never defend a cyber squatter by Nyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the domain owner had actually been using the name (rather than just to show a default launch page) then I might have some sympathy for them. But those people who speculatively register thousands of domains just to extort money from legitimate users deserve to be sued.

      Nobody should ever reward the bad practices of those douchebags. They are the equivalent of patent trolls.

      I don't agree. Sure, it sucks, but the name is property. People buy up property cheap all the time with the hopes that the area might become developed and the property will go up in price.

      Just because MS wants it doesn't mean they should get it. Just because the person hasn't done anything with his website doesn't mean MS should get it. This is mostly just catering to the corporations.

      MS should of bought all the Xbox* names they could of back when they released the original xbox. They didn't, tough shit, imo.

      And why do you need a new website name for a new console? Why not just have Xbox.com show the new console? It's not like they are going to keep selling and advertising the Xbox 360 after the Xbox One is released.

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    2. Re:I could never defend a cyber squatter by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      MS should of bought all the Xbox* names they could of back when they released the original xbox. They didn't, tough shit, imo.

      That's not the way it was supposed to work. Way back when the Internet was young and domain names was first thought up, the idea was that Microsoft just puts their site for the XBox on xbox.microsoft.com. If they wanted to simplify it, they could register xbox.com. But that's it; nothing else. Then when they released the XBox 360, they put it on the URL 360.xbox.com. When they release the XBox One, they put it on one.xbox.com. Same thing for e.g. Apple products. iphone.apple.com, 4gs.iphone.apple.com, air.macbook.apple.com, etc.

      But because the folks who made domain names decided to make them little endian, the above URLs run counter to how you name things (in English at least). So instead it's become popular to try to register a domain for the product name as you'd write it, which is what makes everything vulnerable to domain squatting.

      The folks who made USENET got it right when they made their hierarchy big endian (e.g. rec.arts.sf.starwars.games). You start from the biggest concept and narrow it down with each additional word. If domain names had been big endian, the above URLs would've been com.xbox.360, com.xbox.one, com.apple.iphone.4gs, com.apple.macbook.air, etc. And we probably could've avoided most of this domain squatting mess. Phishing would've been harder too since the non-spoofable part of the domain name would appear first.

      Oh well. Hindsight is 20/20.

  4. Re:How do you know? by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Be careful, though. Part of what you see for a given domain name depends on your ISP. For instance, if you're on Cox's cable Internet service and try going to "nonexistent.silverglass.org" (a name which definitively does not exist in the zonefile), you'll get a Web site filled with ads. A Web site I never created and have no part of. If you look at the URL bar, you'll see that Cox has resolved that name (that should've gotten an NXDOMAIN result) to the IP address of one of their servers and redirected you to one of their Web sites. Cox at least does a redirect, some ISPs simply serve up the page as if it came from the server name you used leaving you no clue that the domain owner isn't the one running that site.

    It looks from my side like the site's just parked at GoDaddy, and what you're getting is the generic site GoDaddy serves up to every parked domain. The only ad is the button GoDaddy puts there to see about buying the domain, which is there whether the domain owner is interested in selling or not.

  5. domain name speculating by Chirs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People buy real estate all the time in the hopes that it gains in value...why should domain names be treated specially?

  6. Re:Ask any McDonald about mcdonalds.com domain by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Go ask any of the McDonalds, whose great-great-great-grandpa 200 years ago proudly called himself "Mr. McDonald", how he or she feels about the mcdonalds.com domain

    Go ask Uzi Nissan what Nissan Motor Corporation did (is doing) to him over the name that he registered circa 1996. Uzi Nissan, having a computer shop, bought the domain name of his last name. Never mind that he _also_ had a car dealership called Nissan Motors in the 1970s, when Nissan Motor Corporation was still called Datsun.

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  7. XboxOne.com was up 11 years ago by shinmai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's probably worth noting, XboxOne.com is way older than 2011, it's been around since the original xbox was released http://web.archive.org/web/20021115163519/http://www.xboxone.com/

  8. Re: Ask any McDonald about mcdonalds.com domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nissan as a company was NEVER called Datsun. Datsun is a brand name, derived from an early model called Datson. Nissan is short for Nippon Sangyo. Which was the earlier company name. Nissan as an abbreviation was invented for the stock market (like AAPL for Apple)

  9. Re:Ask any McDonald about mcdonalds.com domain by galaad2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    well, NOW it's parked after Microsoft brought the lawyers out of leashes and sicked them on the domain owner(s)...

    looking on archive.org it seems it used to have an active site on it, for example this snapshot:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20110207201840/http://xboxone.com/

    OR this one, from the YEAR 2003

    http://web.archive.org/web/20031225193949/http://xboxone.com/

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  10. Re:Ask any McDonald about mcdonalds.com domain by galaad2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    oops.. small case of "spoke too soon"/"foot in mouth", i realize this is from before the "domain created" date, so it must be the site maintained by the previous owners of the domain name, name that had expired by the time the current owner registered it.

    Anyway, it's a proof that "XboxOne" was already used by someone else in the context of computer games related stuff even since the year 2002 and IMHO should have not been awarded as a registered trademark to MS...

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  11. WHOIS and Google reveal ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    WHOIS and Google reveal that he owns a total of 5 domains. Sure, he isn't doing anything with them, but he isn't some faceless "domain squatting corporation" either.

    The guy seems to have been the director of a bunch of companies, so he probably understands business. I don't blame him for trying to capitalize on his good fortune. Microsoft will try to use their army of lawyers to either get the domain for free or at a value far below what it is worth to them. I hope he stands up for himself and hires a good lawyer, rather than settling for a derisory sum.

  12. Re:Ask any McDonald about mcdonalds.com domain by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Uhhh...duh? For fucks sake there was already a system called the Xbox so guess what folks called the first one when the second one came out?

    That is why I'm asking all of the Internet to join me in refusing to call the new Xbox anything other than Xbox S, S for Stupid God damned name that makes no damned sense, Xbox S for short. This bullshit was soooo thought up by the retarded marketing drones at MSFT that have taken over that company, nobody else would be that damned dumb as to name the THIRD system the Xbox...nope, not gonna say it, Xbox S.

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  13. Re:Ask any McDonald about mcdonalds.com domain by meerling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first Xbox came out, it was named Xbox, and everyone called it Xbox.
    The second Xbox came out, it was named Xbox 360, everyone called it xbox, and started calling the previous one Xbox 1 to differentiate since nobody wanted to say Xbox three sixty.
    The third Xbox is announced, it is named Xbox One, everyone realizes that Microsoft should stop hiring brain dead monkeys for their naming division.

  14. Looks like it lapsed though by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was a fan site, they went down, squatter registered it, and now here we are.

  15. Re:Ask any McDonald about mcdonalds.com domain by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You don't need permission to use trademarks, if they're not being used in a manner likely to confuse consumers. Company names are also trademarks, but Slashdot isn't going to get in trouble for including "Microsoft" in this article. Whether the use of the logo in this particular case is likely to cause people to think it was an official X-box site is another question, but one that is only likely to be answerable by a judge.

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  16. Re:Ask any McDonald about mcdonalds.com domain by turp182 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't want to just burn karma, but thanks for bringing Uzi's story to my attention.

    Here's the link for anyone who would like to read baout it:
    http://www.nissan.com/Digest/The_Story.php

    And yes, Uzi Nissan still holds Nissan.com (it cost him a lot of money though.).

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