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Chicago Sun Times Swaps iPhone Training For Staff Photographers

frdmfghtr notes (via Cult of Mac) that "the reporters of the Chicago Sun-Times are being given training in iPhone photography, to make up for the firing of the photography staff. From the CoM story: 'The move is part of a growing trend towards publications using the iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs. It's a also a sign of how traditional journalism is being changed by technology like the iPhone and the advent of digital publishing.'"

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  1. Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It takes horrible pictures.
    At least use the Samsung Galaxy Camera GC100 or something similar.

    1. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why an iPhone? Why any phone? Why you remove progressional photographers from the equation you'll get amateur quality photography. Next they'll be teaching them how to use photoshop to fix their crap pictures (or even assemble them from stock photos so they don't need to be bothered going out at all).

    2. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When you remove professional photographers from the equation you'll get amateur quality photography.

      When you remove subscription paying readers from the equation, you get less money to pay professional photographers.

    3. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by lxs · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And then you lose one more reason for people to subscribe. I think that is the definition of a death spiral.

    4. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by tim_uk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's an elitist view. There is no need for any sort of special professional to press a button on a handled camera device, DSLR or not.

      The photographs involved needn't be art, it's for a disposable newspaper.

      You win the "complete jackass" comment award. Press photographers don't make "art". They record history. Do some research. Fucking idiot.

    5. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's an elitist view.
      There is no need for any sort of special professional to press a button on a handled camera device, DSLR or not.

      It doesn't take any special skill to pull a trigger either. The skill is in identifying what to shoot and in aiming.

    6. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The reason to get a real camera is that you can get photos in conditions where a phone won't. Also, they last for years and are far less likely to be damaged in the field. I've got a Canon 7D and even with something like an F2.8 28-75, that cost me $400 a decade ago, it still whips the crap out of what you'd get with a phone. In total that would be a $1500 or so set up. Which would likely last many, many years.

      As for professional photographers, you get what you paid for. Ultimately, you need somebody else to do the photography, because you can't interview and take photos of whatever happens at the same time. And a professional is much more likely to get the photos that are needed quickly, rather than futzing around trying to figure out how to best capture the scene.

      All this BS about how expensive photographers are, is generally by people who have no idea how much it costs to find that you've been at the scene and don't have any usable shots. Might as well outsource the journalists as well and just collate tweets while we're at it..

    7. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by hedwards · · Score: 2

      Photojournalism generally requires a degree for a reason. You can't just take photos from every Tom, Dick and Harry that has them, you don't know that they're an accurate portrayal of the situation. Sure, they might be, but whether they're edited or not, it's easy to get photos that are unintentionally biased, or fail to capture the event as it's happening.

      These are not fine art photos, these are documentary photos, and just because they don't need to be art, doesn't mean that there isn't any need for technical proficiency or knowledge of the situation. It can take a very long time to learn how to properly anticipate the action and get the photo at the right time.

      BTW: I'm not a photojournalist, I'm just a more ordinary art photographer, but this is just such blatant horse shit that I had to reply.

    8. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Funny

      They should have let the reporters go and kept the photographers. The quality of the reporting would probably have stayed about the same.

    9. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And then you lose one more reason for people to subscribe. I think that is the definition of a death spiral.

      What would suggest they do instead? Go bankrupt? Fire the reporters and have the photographers write the stories? Most subscribers left before they made this change, so going back isn't going to reverse the readership decline. Sometime I take photos with my phone, other times I use a real camera. Is the difference noticeable? Sure. But not different enough to matter in a news story, and certainly not enough to make me buy a subscription. If sending only a reporter rather than reporter+photographer allows them to cut their costs in half, then they can cover more stories, which more likely to attract readers.

    10. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by IndigoParadox · · Score: 3, Informative

      Eye-Fi is one manufacturer of the type of SD card the grandparent is talking about. Their cards in particular have a small amount of storage, a Wi-Fi radio, and a tiny client which automatically uploads pictures written to the storage via the SD interface to a designated server via a proprietary protocol apparently based on HTTP.

    11. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      Just hope the iPhone "photographers" aren't taking snaps indoors or at high speed targets. Or at far-away targets for that matter.

    12. Re: Why the iPhone of all thing? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

      You don't need a $10k camera to "record history".

      History is often wet and muddy. Generally, more expensive DSLRs are more durable.

  2. must be a joke by csumpi · · Score: 4, Funny

    clues:

    - training in iPhone photography
    - firing of the photography staff
    - iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs

    1. Re:must be a joke by Internal+Modem · · Score: 5, Informative

      They replaced their pool of photographers with freelancers (sports, feature stories, breaking news, etc...). In addition, reporters will now carry iPhones in part to capture low resolution video for their website. It's not really the DSLR v iPhone the headline claims.

  3. The equipment isn't the story by MadCow42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who cares what equipment they're using... A piece of crap camera in a skilled photog's hands can still get a great photo.

    The real story (and tragedy) is they think that non-pro photographers (writers and amateurs) can do the job. Watch the results - photo quality (content wise, maybe not just technical wise) will plummet. Maybe they think that doesn't matter, who knows. And for things like sports, they'll have to use wire service photos now for sure. You can get great photos from AP/Reuters, but they'll be the same photos as other news outlets.

    Sad sad, and short-sighted decision IMHO

    Madcow

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    1. Re:The equipment isn't the story by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The real story (and tragedy) is they think that non-pro photographers (writers and amateurs) can do the job.

      I don't think they think this. I think they can't justify the cost of creating "real" photos shot by on-staff pro photographers (which come with health care, benefits, taxes, etc.) using DSLRs when "crappy" pics shot by non-pros will do 95% of the time. They can always hire pros as contractors for the 5% of the time they actually need "real" shots -- or license the shots they need from some syndicated source.

    2. Re:The equipment isn't the story by ultranova · · Score: 2

      Sad sad, and short-sighted decision IMHO

      It's the same thing everywhere. Austerity is fashionable, so everyone is trying to compete by cutting costs, which means they're cutting quality, which means there's less and less reason why anyone would want their shit for any price.

      It's hit newspaper industry especially hard, since they're directly competing with the Internet, but the entire world economy seems to be in a similar death spiral of austerity over investment.

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    3. Re:The equipment isn't the story by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used to bump into a Sun-Times staff photographer at the local Starbucks once in a while. He had approximately $15,000 in LENSES hanging around his neck.

    4. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yet they wonder why people don't find their publications notable and are unsubscribing at increasing rates. Using stories and photos from wire services that are recycled all over the place don't make your Newspaper a unique, compelling product.

    5. Re:The equipment isn't the story by Jartan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you're giving too much credit to the internet. Journalistic integrity was already in a sad decline before the web took off.

    6. Re:The equipment isn't the story by only_human · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The real story is that they want their P/L to look better Right Now because:
      "Some 40 parties have expressed interest in acquiring some or all of Tribune Co.’s newspapers, according to sources close to the situation. The Chicago-based media company hired investment bankers in February to manage inquiries for its eight daily newspapers, including the Chicago Tribune and Los Angeles Times."
      http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-tribune-company-20130515,0,1793743.story

  4. Re:iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Keep in mind that the photographs will wind up on the web or on newsprint. You don't need artist quality cameras for that.

  5. Seriously? by cronostitan · · Score: 2

    That's like teaching a jockey to ride a broom stick instead of a real horse because the staff needed to feed the horse has been too costly.
    Now, where is the difference between a normal human being taking a pic of currrent happenings or the reporter?
    There is none, anymore. Anyone can ride a broom stick, except the jockey might do it with a bit more skip-walking, but not really gaining an advantage.

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  6. Accordingly by evil_aaronm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I propose that the editor be replaced by my second-grade grand-daughter - I mean, she can edit just as well, right? - and the "fancy, expensive" computer that the editor currently uses be replaced by an Etch-A-Sketch. Or Crayons.

    1. Re:Accordingly by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please don let her leave as an editor here at /.

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  7. Re:iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    you don't but a fast autofocus with low-light sensitivity will be necessary. Also, when photographing sports, cropping from a 12mp camera phone still isn't good enough quality. A 70-200/ 2.8 will provide a decent quality (dependent on the photog's skill) but it's still hard. But on the other hand, you force the reporter to record video of the sporting event (usually high school)., he/she will still spend a considerable amount of time scrubbing the video to find a good still frame; or worse, edit the video for their online content.

  8. Re:Grammer perhaps? by hedleyroos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Grammer". You're one to complain.

  9. The paper is a joke now, but alas the story is not by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    clues:

    - training in iPhone photography
    - firing of the photography staff
    - iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs

    It's real, there was quite a bit of time dedicated to this story on Chicago Tonight a few days ago. The big joke is the Chicago Sun Times itself...once a respectable newspaper, now transforming itself into little more than an amateur blog. And using iPhones with their subpar optics...in the hands of people who know nothing about photography...the paper will be carrying Facebook quality pictures, or as another mentioned, the same pic as every other outlet via AP/UPI.

    Whatever bozo made this decision should be fired...his/her 6-figure salary will probably pay for 2 or 3 decent photographers, and they'll get a whole lot more value out of those photographers than they will the moron who made this decision. But then, I don't think the Chicago Sun Times is long for this world anyway (an end hastened by such collasal mismanagement).

    What we're watching is the final deathrows of a dying paper, in an industry on life support.

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  10. Spot the trend by petes_PoV · · Score: 2

    Now, where is the difference between a normal human being taking a pic of currrent happenings or the reporter?

    Just so long as the reporters getting this training realise that they are next for the chop - just as soon as reader-submitted "news" becomes more plentiful.

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  11. The camera isn't the issue by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The move is part of a growing trend towards publications using the iPhone as a replacement for fancy, expensive DSLRs.

    No, the move is a trend towards replacing trained skilled professionals (in this case, photojournalists) with cheap, unskilled labor (reporters who might be fine reporters, but don't know shit about photography and photojournalism; or even "user submissions" from Joe Random's cellphone). The cost of a DSLR is nothing compared to wages for a professional. Unfortunately, the *results* from dumping the photojournalists are also nothing compared to using the professional --- and it's not a matter of camera quality. A professional photojournalist with an iPhone would produce better photojournalism than non-experts with a DSLR. The Chicago Sun Times isn't throwing away "pixel quality" so much as "journalism quality" --- no wonder newspapers are dying.

    1. Re:The camera isn't the issue by auric_dude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Idiocy of Eliminating a Photo Staff by Alex Garcia http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/assignment-chicago/2013/05/the-idiocy-of-eliminating-a-photo-staff.html offers a view from one working in that area.

    2. Re:The camera isn't the issue by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This makes sense - if the point of journalism is to deliver high-quality photography of the kind that other photographers will appreciate. So much of old-fashioned journalism is a gigantic circle-jerk. It has been repeatedly proven that nobody needs this sort of hugely expensive photography in order to tell a story. A couple of snapshots are enough. "But how will anyone win the Pulitzer Prize?!?!" Yeah, the local newspaper won't win that anyway. It's more of a political award than an acknowledgement of talent.

      Frankly, the people who will be providing said snapshots are ordinary folk posting on social media. Who cares what the f-stop was, or if someone took a shot facing into the sun? It's a freaking photo, it will be gone in 24 hours, why spend any money on it?

      Professional photographers are, predictably, butthurt about the whole thing as it directly attacks their livelihood. When I became an adult I was just shocked at how horridly expensive photography is. And how stupidly overpowered this photography was for my needs. Nobody wants to pay $1500 for a photo of some ducks at a lake. I'm just illustrating an article, thanks. And yet until now this sort of market has existed. Insane, and it is quite gratifying to see this sort of elitist nonsense finally obsoleted.

      Oh, don't believe me? One need only spend time on pro photographer forums to find out just how prevalent the snobbery is. Let's not even get into Nikon vs. Canon.

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    3. Re:The camera isn't the issue by femtobyte · · Score: 2

      Depends a lot on the task. An iPhone won't be much good for the sports page, but not all news stories are about dim, fast-moving, and distant subjects. For daylight and decently-lit interior shots, an iPhone is perfectly sufficient for web-sized and terrible-quality-print (newspaper) images. Double-page glossy color magazine spreads won't look so great. When not working at the margins of technical capability, a professional who knows how to frame an image to "tell a story" will consistently produce *far* better (not in sharpness/color, but in composition/content) images even with crippled technology.
      Anyway, my point is not to say iPhones should replace "real" cameras --- a far more capable camera isn't particularly expensive, and people should be using "the right tools for the job." But, for a wide variety of common photojournalism situations, an iPhone is already "good enough" (and there are even some highly respectable, prizewinning professional photojournalists who have used cellphone cameras for their own work).

  12. Thom Hogan has a very critical write up on this by jools33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thom Hogan (Nikon expert) has a very critical take on this here , one which I happen to agree with fully, to quote Thom:
    " If you're in the content business, there's one simple rule you have to remember: create the best content for your chosen media. First, you can sell great content to customers (circulation revenue). Second, you can sell your access to a great set of customers to others (advertising revenue). Corollary: if you don't invest in the content, you'll die. First, because you don't attract a large enough audience and can't hold them. Second, because the declining audience will scare advertisers away. Finally, if you just run from your chosen medium to try to dominate another one, you're playing moose to someone else's elephant. Prepare to get stepped on."

  13. Re:it's not about the tools.... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    Except the camera isn't just a tool. It's more like one of the ingredients. Suddenly your haute chef is using canned ingredients and rotten produce.

    Some shots just aren't going to be possible with a phone period.

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  14. Re:Grammer perhaps? by Ignacio · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Have", not "of".

  15. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "You'll get much better shots from an iPhone than you will if you hand over a D4 or a MkIII to a non-photographer."

    No, actually, you won't. DSLRs still have "green square mode" which puts the things in automatic. You won't get the results you'd get from the same camera with a decent photographer behind it, but you'll get better results than a camera phone provides.

  16. Re:Grammer perhaps? by craigminah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of my favorite quotes is from Chief Wiggins' son on The Simpsons, "Me not know English, that's unpossible!"

    So sad it's fitting for the print media. They can have their reporters take photos but they are losing a lot in terms of composition and quality. Anyone can take photos, but not everyone can take good photos.

  17. Re:iPhone? by nukenerd · · Score: 2

    It is not just about the quality and other tech aspects of the camera. There is a world of difference in the ability of a specialist photographer to anticipate and shoot at the decisive moment, with good framing, and that of someone just hauled in to do the job. People like Don McCullin [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_McCullin] would probably still have got cracking photos even with a Box Brownie, while a typical hack writer would probably produce laughably amateurish pics even with a top-of-the-range Nikon.

  18. Re:Grammer perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm sorry, sir, but I am afraid I must revoke your geek card. It's "me fail English? That's unpossible!"

  19. Magic money tree? by Phoeniyx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you have a subscription for the Sun or a similar newspaper? If you do, good for you. But, there are millions who stopped paying for their news. Without this revenue, how exactly are the news outlets supposed to have all these professionals on staff? Magic money tree? The more people get their news from the "internet", the less money will be spent on gathering the news. This is just a natural outcome of the digital age. If it reduces the quality, well.. That's just part of the game.

  20. Re:Cave Paintings by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    The people now responsible for capturing the most important events...

    ...aren't working for the Chicago Sun-Times anyway.

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  21. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by T-Bone-T · · Score: 2

    The green square helps but it can't make artistic decisions. The photograph will be properly exposed by certain measures but it can't fix composition or subject matter.

  22. Re:The best camera is the one you have with you by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, it'll only be properly exposed if it's pointing a subject that's 18% gray (within its metering area, ie spot, center, or center weighted).

    The meters inside cameras are reflective meters (as opposed to an incident meter you hold in front of the subject and click). So they measure the light reflected off the subject. But different subjects reflect different amounts of light. A white object is more reflective than a black object. So how does the camera know what color the object is that it's pointed at? It doesn't. So it assumes it's medium gray and sets the exposure accordingly. That's fine for an average (by definition) scene, but fails everywhere else. This is why if you've ever pulled out a point and shoot camera, or phone or pro DSLR in green square mode in the snow and taken a picture, you'll notice all your white snow is gray. That's why professionals use manual exposure, or at least exposure compensation in auto modes.

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  23. This will not end well: Siri as a reporter by An+dochasac · · Score: 4, Funny

    AP (Chicago transcript by Siri): President Obama's state of the unit address was... I'd rather not say. But the corndog mafia sentopolis and will in the Mideast. I don't know. Maybe the genius bar guys could answer that. But North Korean leader... I'm not allowed to delete reminders. Look... a puppy!

  24. Re:Grammer perhaps? by hedwards · · Score: 2

    Yep, that's wide spread enough that it's effectively correct. And since it's a contraction of you would have, the correct spelling is you'd've. guess that makes it a compound contraction.

  25. It's a little more sophisticated than that... by sirwired · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless set for spot or center, modern AE algorithms are little more sophisticated than "Expose the whole scene for 18% grey." "Matrix" metering has been around for something like 25 years now. Matrix metering tries to recognize what you are trying to accomplish and adjust exposure accordingly. You are correct that it doesn't always get it right, but give them a little credit... I find that when I'm using my modern DSLR, AE gets it perfect most of the time, and produces a usable shot (as in, one salvageable for a website or newsprint) almost all the time.

  26. Why a Phone of all things by Vapula · · Score: 2

    I have 4 different "compact" camera (no-name,Olympus, Fujifilm and Samsung), I've taken pictures from several phones (dumb nokia, HTC and Galaxy S2 (with a 8MP sensor)... but I will never return to these now that I've my DSLR... And if I had bought one from the start, I'd never had to buy the other one.

    - less noise on low light conditions
    - much better lenses which allow real zoom (not digital zoom) and such
    - Much faster to take pictures (no delay which means that you take the precise image that you want)
    - good continuous mode (several pictures in a row, at less than 1 sec interval which allow to pick up the best one)
    - faster exposures (needed when you take picture of things which are moving, no more motion blur)
    - much better battery capacity
    - better sensivity on low light condition (due to larger lens opening)
    and so on...

    When I compage Galaxy S2 and Samsung camera (both having 8MP sensor), there is already a big difference thanks to the lens of the camera... and they both come from same manufacturer (camera is older than S2 and gives better pictures)

    My guess is that they'll revert quickly to DSLR... journalism photographers have to take picture of things that are moving most of the time... that's definitively NOT the best use case for phone's cameras.

  27. Re:Grammer perhaps? by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Funny

    No woooosh in space.

  28. What is an aperture? Who gives a shit? by FuzzNugget · · Score: 2
  29. Written word Journalism will also suffer by An+dochasac · · Score: 2

    If you're following the news about Google Glass, you'll have heard that some people hate having their picture taken. This is a fact that nearly every photojournalist has to deal with. Only those who've been in the industry a very long time will be able to blend into the background and capture the scene without becoming themselves a reality-distorting distraction. The best will do this without disturbing the relationship and trust the reporter must build with the people being interviewed. They might even become "the bad cop" (does anyone remember The Animal from Lou Grant? That jerk photographer that both the interviewee and reporter can share a laugh and a beer with while the reporter builds her story.

    Give the reporter an iPhone or DSLR or Google Glass and the reporter becomes that jerk photographer. The relationship between reporter and interviewee disappears as quickly as you can say, "So-long Chicago Sun-Times."

  30. Former freelancer here... by W2IRT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I shot freelance for a newspaper in Toronto during the 80s and 90s. And although the work was a lot of fun, I think its time is long over. Consider the adage from dead tree papers: If it bleeds it leads. How many different, artistic ways can you shoot the following, that hasn't been done a zillion times in the past:
    1) Large or medium-sized structure fire--this was my specialty.
    2) Personal injury accident.
    3) Victim(s) being transported.
    4) Reminder to set clocks ahead/back.
    5) Look how Hot/Cold/Snowy/Icy the weather was yesterday!
    6) Perp walk or subject under arrest.
    7) Politician making a speech on in a media scrum.
    8) Drug/weapons seizure evidence on the table.
    9) Presentation of a giant cheque to a lottery winner or charitable .org.
    10) Devastation after a large natural disaster, governor/official doing official tour
    11) Sad kid/parent after a bully stole their lunch money, bicycle or all the toys for Christmas presents at the poor house.

    Now. Go fetch today's paper (good doggie!). How many of the above items do you see in the hard news section? Now factor this: If it's a major disaster, fire, accident, etc, the news editor will be fielding calls from hundreds of people with photos of the event. Probably some with pro-sumer levels of kit. If that isn't available they'll buy a wireservice image and run it. Everything else mentioned is shootable with a phonecam or a shirt-pocket cam, and the level of knowledge needed to shoot it is somewhere between "f/8-and-be-there," and "push-here-stupid."

    Sports is an entirely different kettle of fish, and I don't know how they're going to handle Bulls/Black Hawks/Bears/Cubs/Sox games. Again, probably just buy freelancers' materials or stuff off the wires.

    Gone are the days when a newspaper NEEDS actual photographs. Unless you're living under a rock the audience already knows what the governor looks like, what a perp-walk looks like, a building fire, a traffic accident or the President making a speech. We can get that anywhere. The hard news reporting is what I care about (not that there's all that much of it these days). Pretty pictures I can find online. They made the right call.

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