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Should the Power of Corporate Innovation Shift Away From Executives?

Lucas123 writes "At the Consumerization of IT conference in San Francisco this week, several speakers agreed the next big shift in the corporate establishment will not be technological but social, away from top-down responsibility for innovation and change. Businesses are on the cusp of a leadership revolution because millennials moving into the workforce are 'the most authority-phobic' generation in history, according to Gary Hamel, a management educator at the London School of Business. Not only should low-level workers be incentivized for being creative, they should be given the power to spend corporate money on research and development, Hamel said. By doing that, companies will diversity their experimental capital. 'If you don't do that, you'll never change that innovation curve,' he said. Hamel was not alone. Kevin Jones, a consulting social & organizational strategist for NASA's Marshall and Goddard Space Flight Centers, agreed that traditional corporate culture needs a radical shakeup. 'The values of management today are different from the values of the social enterprise and different from the values of the consumerization of IT — and they're not mixing very well,' Jones said. 'That's where we're having the battle.'"

149 comments

  1. NO !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or YES !!

    One of those !!

    1. Re:NO !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any answer you want, as long as it's "No."

  2. or maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not

  3. As the philosopher Cartman put it, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "I hate hippies!"

  4. douchebags, the lot of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lord knows the upper management at all but one company I've worked at is a bunch of parasitic douchebags. Good riddance.

    1. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed, I'm astonished that anyone would think upper management drives innovation. Usually they're obsessed with insuring conformity and making sure no one shows any initiative - especially if it involves risks.

      However, I'm delighted to learn that it is now possible to post articles from alternative universes...

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    2. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If US workers are authority-phobic and want to be part of their own innovation, then that sounds like a good reason for offshoring and inshoring with H1Bs. They're Management! and they're In Charge!

    3. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I'm astonished that anyone would think upper management drives innovation. Usually they're obsessed with insuring conformity and making sure no one shows any initiative - especially if it involves risks.

      However, I'm delighted to learn that it is now possible to post articles from alternative universes...

      So, "upper management" includes the people who run Apple, Google, Spotify, Nintendo, Amazon, Valve, etc. etc.. It is not synonymous with bad management and lack of innovation drive, even if that is the experience and/or caricature picture many have of how businesses are run. It too often is the case that corporations are run in an innovation-stifling manner, but that is bad management, nothing more, nothing less. And given how much bad management there is, and how important it is to have good management, it is interesting how under-appreciated this is sometimes, but let that lay..

      The problem with giving to much innovation freedom to too many is that a business need to have and follow a strategy. If you are all over the place with ideas that are not supporting the same strategy you are not going to be successful -- even if they individually are good ideas. This is the key thing many struggle to understand. They might be good ideas, for another company, but if it is a diversion of resources and synergy (sorry) from what supports the main strategy, it can be dangerous, even if successful. Strategy is underrated, it eats innovation culture for breakfast.

    4. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by peragrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly why is it that startups have greater R&D and innovation? because they lack stodgy upper management that slows down most innovation.

      Why do most startups fail? because they lack experience to properly capitalize on those innovations.

      If businesses were honest with themselves they would look at the total dollars spent on just management and trim the excess fat from the upper layers.

      I Have always found it amusing that a business would fire thousands of people to save a couple of million, instead of firing one or two upper managers to save the same amount. All Upper Management really does is deal with the personal issues of the lower employees(Herding cats is easier than herding programmers).

      Having been in a middle management position I spent most of my time dealing with people who got degrees but failed kindergarten. They never learned how to talk to others to deal with their issues, they never learned to not say anything when they don't have anything nice to say, and They never really learned that blaming the wrong person just because you don't like them doesn't solve anything.

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    5. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by t4ng* · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Corporate-speak bullshit keywords...

      • * incentivized
      • * diversity[sic] their experimental capital
      • * change that innovation curve
      • * social enterprise
      • * consumerization of IT

      I could hardly get through the summary without puking.

    6. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm currently half way through my graduate business degree program and even I roll my eyes at the buzz word bullshit. It isn't as prevalent as you'd guess. It seems like the people doing the more public communication tend to use the most BS buzzwords.

      I can't stand "price point". Why the fuck do you need "point" there? Price is sufficient in every use case and it isn't going away.

    7. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm currently half way through my graduate business degree program and even I roll my eyes at the buzz word bullshit. It isn't as prevalent as you'd guess.

      I'm currently in my second decade of working directly with business people, and yes, yes it is. There might even be a direct correlation between incompetence of the businessperson and the frequency of buzzword use.

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    8. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm astonished that anyone would think upper management drives innovation.

      Upper management thinks upper management drives innovation, and that's who the target audience was.

      -JS

    9. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would love to see that. As the collective quality of work at the largest corporations got progressively worse, their cumbersome burden would be left further behind in the new age. The quickly eroding security of their services will just as quickly erode the populace's faith in the service provider. The rest of us creating services to fill those voids will be all the better for it, and will not need anything resembling "upper management" to ever taint our corporations again.

    10. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Upper management does take credit for it all though. Witness how the general public firmly believes that Steve Jobs personally designed and invented the ipod and iphone.

    11. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHAT YOU SAW:

      • * incentivized
      • * diversity[sic] their experimental capital
      • * change that innovation curve
      • * social enterprise
      • * consumerization of IT

      WHAT I SAW:

      • * circle-jerk
      • * glad-hand
      • * brown-nose
      • * kiss arse
      • * look for no-good shits to dump on
    12. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I could hardly get through the summary without puking.

      Maybe it's some weird attempt at trolling, but I'm not hopeful.

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    13. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by CodeBuster · · Score: 2

      Yes, but can you use all five words and phrases in a new sentence? For example, how about this:

      "When people are properly incentivized to diversify their experimental capital it can change the innovation curve towards a more social enterprise in synergy with the consumerization of IT."

      Bingo!

    14. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I Have always found it amusing that a business would fire thousands of people to save a couple of million, instead of firing one or two upper managers to save the same amount. All Upper Management really does is deal with the personal issues of the lower employees(Herding cats is easier than herding programmers).

      Social scientists in fields like industrial psychology, economics, anthropology, and sociology have been studying organizational behaviour and executive decision making for more than 50 years. While there is a lot of disagreement over the causes of bad decision-making at this level, it is well established that this kind of thing happens very, very often.

      A pretty strong argument can be made that ANY layoff is ALWAYS the result of a failure, mistake, or screw up made by one or more people at the executive level. The failure causing the layoff can take many forms, not all of which result from arrogance or stupidity (although these are frequently found to play a big role: a substantial percentage of executives are clearly sociopaths).

      Many failures at the executive level are related to planning. This is not an easy thing for people to do. Most people, for example, have a tendency to be so busy with the details of their everyday tasks and their day-to-day lives that they fail to make the time to plan properly for the future, and this very human characteristic also is found in executives, since they too are human. A wise executive makes time to think hard about the future, and designs company policies to help the organization weather changes in technology, in government, in the environment, and so forth.

      Another common problem is folks at the executive level come up with a plan, then get locked into it and ride it down in flames when it no longer matches reality. This often has to do with losing touch with their workforce, or their market, or changing technology, but can also result from a lack of understanding of economics.

      We can see examples of both of these planning related failures in the problems many companies are having as a result of the consequences of the current US government "budget sequestration". Since the US government has essentially refused to act in a financially responsible manner for more than 50 years (consider the national debt), it was inevitable that the country would experience one or more major financial disasters (of more-or-less increasing severity), of which the sequestration is only an early example and almost certainly not the most severe. A smart executive would plan for that, and would realize that there are many things that a company can do to reduce its exposure to problems created by government incompetence. Many dumb executives did not plan for this, in spite of having decades to do so, which is why their companies are now having layoffs, and we can expect even more as things get worse.

      Unfortunately, another thing that the study of organizations shows is that the people screwing up almost never pay the same price for their actions as the people lower in the hierarchy.

    15. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rest of us creating services to fill those voids

      But how will you fill those voids, when the incumbent players can buy legislation to make the filling of those voids uneconomical or illegal?

    16. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by robot5x · · Score: 2

      This site was the only thing that makes my dealings with repulsive MBA fucks bearable.

      I try them out in meetings and actually heard them repeated after. Seriously.

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    17. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Altrag · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I Have always found it amusing that a business would fire thousands of people to save a couple of million, instead of firing one or two upper managers to save the same amount.

      Biggest problem is that the people who make 7-figure salaries to to also be the same people that decide who gets punted. Very few of them choose themselves (they will however happily vote themselves a pay raise to offset the newly freed up funds.)

    18. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm currently half way through my graduate business degree program and even I roll my eyes at the buzz word bullshit. It isn't as prevalent as you'd guess.

      I'm currently in my second decade of working directly with business people, and yes, yes it is. There might even be a direct correlation between incompetence of the businessperson and the frequency of buzzword use.

      Sounds like you just gave the GP/grad student his thesis topic!

    19. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Well of course. It means you can talk all day without saying anything.

    20. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by sargon666777 · · Score: 1

      Generally your right that management stifles innovation, but its a balance.. If left unchecked you end up in a world of projects that have no marketability.. I have seen that experiment where we gave a group an almost limitless amount of money, and said "Go Create".. A few projects were marketable, but the overwhelming majority were not.. So love em or hate em.. it takes both sides of that coin to make a successful business.. BTW I have been on BOTH sides of this at different points in my career.

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    21. Re:douchebags, the lot of them by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      THANK YOU! Another way of putting it, too many cooks in the kitchen.

  5. Who's in charge? by whizbang77045 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Who's in charge? Nobody!

    Who kills bad ideas, based on prior experience? Nobody!

    Who insures that everyone is working on something productive? You guessed it.

    1. Re:Who's in charge? by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

      Saddam

    2. Re:Who's in charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hewlett-Packard invented the concept of Management By Walking Around which meant spending part of their day listening to the people involved in product development whereas now they have MBAs to tell them how the company is performing.

    3. Re:Who's in charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you bother to read the story? There are successful companies cited in it that allow teams of colleagues to judge what is and isn't productive work. Workers who after they're hired are allowed to create their own mission statements. They also decide compensation based on productivity. If you spend company money, and you're not productive, you're out. Additionally, workers rate other employees based on management skills and choose who should or shouldn't lead. Seems like a pretty good idea to me.

    4. Re:Who's in charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who... who thought of this? Just leave running corporations to facebook? Decide innovation base on likes? WTF

    5. Re:Who's in charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Additionally, workers rate other employees based on management skills and choose who should or shouldn't lead. Seems like a pretty good idea to me.

      Workers will rate each other based on their personal interactions and perceptions. This would be bad for a lot of less than social but hardworking folks I know.

      They also decide compensation based on productivity. If you spend company money, and you're not productive, you're out.

      "Productivity." Define, please.

    6. Re:Who's in charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's nice to have someone who can kill a bad idea. Even Steve Jobs got it wrong sometimes, though, and most "executives" I've dealt with barely know what their companys' products are. Who do you pick?

    7. Re:Who's in charge? by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      Workers will rate each other based on their personal interactions and perceptions.

      Unlike the people who currently do promotion, who have a lucid view of real contributions, of course...

    8. Re:Who's in charge? by d'baba · · Score: 1

      Indeed!
      http://www.nobodyforpresident.org/index2016.html

    9. Re:Who's in charge? by whizbang77045 · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting that this was scored as though it were humor. I wasn't joking; I was very serious.

    10. Re:Who's in charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's in charge? Everybody!

      Who kills bad ideas, based on prior experience? Everybody!

      Who insures that everyone is working on something productive? Everybody!

      Workplace_democracy
      Mondragon_Corporation
      Evergreen_Cooperatives
      Self-management
      Why? Because knowledge workers are motivated by something else.

    11. Re:Who's in charge? by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      Who is in charge of 'society' or 'government' or 'culture?"
      All of us. Yet no one actually thinks that way. Jobs was personally responsible for both the design AND success of the iShtuff.
      That's about as accurate as saying Hitler was personally responsible for the Holocaust and WWII.
      That _is_ what people say and that's one reason we have yet to learn the correct lessons of history.

  6. The 60s? by captaindomon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most authority phobic generation in history? Really? Anyone forget the 60's? Come on, folks. People have not fundamentally changed. Every generation thinks the younger generation is the most authority phobic generation in history.

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    1. Re:The 60s? by The+Plebe · · Score: 2

      I think you got the 60's part right, but I'm not sure the last statement is true. I'm a GenX-er and my Boomer college professors in the early 90s were always blown away by how NOT authority phobic we all were. I think they made the same assumptions you do and were surprised. Of course that might have been an outlier since I went to a big Ivy league school full of people who assumed that one day they would BE the authority. I took a medical ethics course that was obviously designed from the perspective of the consumer/patient and the prof failed to take into account the fact that 80% of the students would be pre-med.

    2. Re:The 60s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the boomers are anything to go by, the millennials will then become a group of huge douchebags which future generations will curse for the damage they have inflicted on society.

    3. Re:The 60s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy do I have a spoiler alert for you

      Buy stock in xanax is all I'm saying

    4. Re:The 60s? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      You ever stop to think that they're right? The slide is continuing, when both sides say "things are going down" then they are merely making a correct observation. When one observes this at 85/100 and falling and another observes it at 55/100 and falling then both are right.

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    5. Re:The 60s? by Ryanrule · · Score: 2

      Oh please. That generation was going to legalize pot. It took till millennials starting voting in force for that to actually start to happen. The boomers rolled over and took the corporate dick up their ass immediately, and often.

    6. Re:The 60s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whadya mean 'will'?

    7. Re:The 60s? by tsotha · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep. People forget the boomers went from hippie to yuppie, trading in their hand-painted VW camper buses and beads for BMWs and rolex watches.

    8. Re:The 60s? by dcollins · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the younger generation is shockingly conformist. They've been raised in an environment of constant phone contact, tracking, and surveillance. Head of security at the school where I teach proudly says, "We've instituted a policy of thousands of bag inspections, and only had 3 people dispute it, usually faculty." I have students come to me freaked out because I don't track their attendance daily every day in our college class. Etc., etc.

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    9. Re:The 60s? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "The most authority phobic generation in history? Really? Anyone forget the 60's?"

      Besides, it isn't "authority phobia" at all. People keep using that word incorrectly. In this case, it's not phobia, it's disrespect and disdain.

      And while the 60s might have bred some of the most adamant protesters, it is not hard to argue that young people have more reason to be disdainful of authority than ever before. Authority has screwed them at every turn.

      Authority has ruined their economy. (Yes, they did.)

      Authority has gotten them involved in more wars than ever before, without ever having the guts to call them wars.

      Authority has been stealing their freedoms. In the last decade or two, it hasn't even been a little bit, or sneakily. They've been ripping it right out from under people.

      I could go on. America is far more messed up than it was in the Vietnam era. It had its problems then, no doubt. It has more problems now, and even less excuse for them.

    10. Re:The 60s? by robot5x · · Score: 2

      I agree about disrespect and disdain but I don't believe that (what I would call) the current 'youth' generation of 18-24 year olds, about to enter the workforce really have any conception of the possible reasons put forward by parent.

      I'm generalising wildly but my experience has been almost without exception that they are:

      • uninformed about current affairs
      • mostly uninterested in current affairs
      • have no reference point to judge whether or not their freedom has been 'stolen' and thus be angst-ridden about it
      • self-centred and with a huge sense of entitlement gained probably by their parents constantly telling them they're THE BEST and they can 'do anything'
      • Most of all, with little humility

      Rightly or wrongly, I grew up with an acute sense that I probably wasn't the best at anything - and that's fine. I was pretty good at a few things. But most of all, I think that being aware of this has allowed me to just get on with people even when we're different. I see a lot of workplace conflict being mainly about extremely poor social skills. And innovation - at some point - always has to be about working with other people.

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    11. Re:The 60s? by Altrag · · Score: 2

      Lack of privacy (whether taken or given up) can definitely lead to conformity, I'll give you that.

      I don't see how that leads into accepting authority. If the going trend is to buck the man, then all the conformists out there are going to be having a problem with authority.

      In fact all of this communication I would say does more to promote lack of authority. Authority figures generally exist to organize and control things -- a self-organizing network of peers would therefore remove 50% of the purpose of having an authority figure, never mind having a tower of authority figures so high that the top dogs forget what the support structure they're standing on looks like.

      The control side of things is another issue all together though. Somebody has to have final say on decisions (which might include the decision to fire slackers) or nothing will ever get completed.

      The Linux kernel is a great example. Thousands of contributors around the world who (mostly) don't even know each other with only one or two (relatively small) layers of vetters and Linus having the final say when things get contentious. A very very flat model compared to most large companies and yet its worked very well over the past two-ish decades.

      An absolute pancake won't really work out for anybody but there's no reason that we need towers stretching to the moon either. The old guard prefer the latter, the new crowd prefers the former. If they can agree on a middle ground then everybody wins (except 6 layers of middle managers!)

      The downside of course is that by the time these ideas percolate far enough through the public consciousness, the new guard will have aged and become the old guard and we'll rinse and repeat in another half century. That shouldn't stop us from trying though as even small improvements over the long run are worthwhile.

    12. Re:The 60s? by sjames · · Score: 2

      Depending on the type of authority, I'd say we're going backwards. If management tried half the crap they pull now back in the '40s they would be told exactly where to put it and where to go. Then they'd get beaten up in the parking lot after work.

      If anyone got fired, they would be beaten again.

    13. Re:The 60s? by Blaisun · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the 60's didn't have xbox's, the Internet, and essentially unlimited free porn to pacify them......

    14. Re:The 60s? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Every generation thinks the younger generation is the most authority phobic generation in history.

      Usually because that older generation has become the authorities, and doesn't understand why the younger generation won't toe the line.

      In the 60's the phrase was never trust anyone over 40. Now all of those people are wealthy and in power, and everyone still says don't trust anyone over 40.

      How many ex-hippies and socialists are now accountants, CEOs and Republicans complaining about these young punks? The more you become the establishment, the less you remember what it's like to be on the other side.

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    15. Re:The 60s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The 60's had some strong outliers in the counter-culture movement, but it wasn't as prevalent as all the movies and TV will make you think (or misremember). The current generation has far fewer outliers of open, active rebellion but far more widespread malaise and passive-aggressive distrust of authority. And they aren't growing up. They're avoiding marriage, and among the affluent & middle-class, delaying and avoiding children. The hippie generation began their shift into the O'Reilly generation when they settled down and had kids. Millennials aren't doing that as much.

      Disclaimer: I don't really belong to either generation -- I sit in the middle and watch both generations and my own with disgust.

    16. Re:The 60s? by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      That's because GenXers were considered the apathetic slacker generation. Of course the apathetic part was largely true but the slacker part turned out to be quite wrong.

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    17. Re:The 60s? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      "I agree about disrespect and disdain but..."

      You make some good points but I don't agree with all of them.

      For one thing, several studies have shown young people today are more politically-aware, on average, than any past generation that was similarly studied.

      As for reference points, all they have to do is pick up a history book or look at the laws. They might not have experienced those days, but that's what books are for: communicating information and ideas that you did not experience yourself.

      And I agree about social skills, but not necessarily about humility. An awful lot of accusations in recent years about "lack of humility" has in actuality been due to that same lack of respect for authority mentioned earlier. Being subservient to authority is not "humility". The two are unrelated.

    18. Re:The 60s? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I would like to add a bit to my earlier comment.

      First, about reference points. I mentioned books and history but there is another factor: you don't have to know how things were a long time ago to see what direction things are going today. In order to do that, you only need a memory of a few short years. You can see where you were, and where things are headed, and have every right to not like it. Hell, the amount of freedom we have lost in just the last 10+ years is staggering... it compares unfavorably to encroachments made over whole centuries before.

      Second, about humility. I have had experience of this myself even here on Slashdot, and even though I am not as young as some of the people under discussion here.

      In recent years, I have often been accused of arrogance, egotism, or lack of humility simply for making a scientific argument with which some other party disagreed. But they didn't have any real logical arguments to make, so they accuse me of "lacking humility" because I had the "arrogance" to buck the mainstream view.

      In that context, it's nothing more than a kind of ad-hominem attack which deserves no respect (or humility, for that matter). It is nothing but sour grapes from those who themselves cannot emotionally accept being wrong. This in turn suggests that it is actually they who lack humility. Psychologists call this behavior "projection".

      I'm not accusing you of such. I'm simply saying that this kind of error has seemed to be pretty common lately. Being right is not "arrogant", it's simply having a grasp of the facts. And bucking the mainstream is not "lack of humility" if the "authority" figure in that instance deserves to be viewed with skepticism.

    19. Re:The 60s? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Yep. People forget the boomers went from hippie to yuppie, trading in their hand-painted VW camper buses and beads for BMWs and rolex watches.

      Well, you know...ANY generation, once they get out and start having kids, raising a family, making enough money to OWN and do fun things above necessity, will naturally start moving towards behaviors that reward their efforts with $$$.

      Very few people ever stay as altruistic as they were in their youth.

      Just natural, as you age, your priorities change...they pretty much have to in most ways.

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  7. haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hahaha haha HahA HAHAHAHA!

  8. Valve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flat management is the future of innovation.

    The R&D suggestion is not a bad idea either. For the right price you can hire nonprofit research institutes that live for this kind of work.

    1. Re:Valve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've worked for so called flat organizations. "No one is in charge" becomes "All the jerks think they're in charge."

      The problem is, and will always be, that when the a-holes are in charge, bad things happen. Flat organization is a feeble attempt to circumvent the a-holes.

    2. Re:Valve by Phil+Urich · · Score: 1

      Your example of Valve proves a different point, however. In the cases where it works, it can be extremely effective, but it takes a high calibre of talent (and much of that talent is interpersonal communications and self-awareness) to pull it off.

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    3. Re:Valve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because Half-Life, episode 3 is going to come out AAAANY time now.
      But hey, there were super innovative with Portal, it wasn't like that was a student project they bought.
      It's not like they played that game before with CounterStrike.

      And Valve is a massively profitable game distribution company. Steam. They own Steam. They were in the sweet spot and got massively lucky and now they are the defacto standard for digital game distribution.

  9. Ha ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will be crushed and remoulded into good little cogs or fired and excluded same as every other generation before .

  10. blitzkrieg by brainscauseminds · · Score: 1

    Not really the best analogy, but give the best empolyees in the company the power to order distant fire and I am sure some additional breakthrough will happen.

  11. Strauss-Howe generational theory by mspring · · Score: 1

    According to this theory, the millenials are a "hero (civic)" type of generation and actually not really authority phobic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generations_(book)#Hero

    1. Re:Strauss-Howe generational theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not authority-phobic in the sense that they are adverse to direction, but authority-phobic in the sense that they strongly disagree with the practices of those currently in charge.

    2. Re:Strauss-Howe generational theory by Sperbels · · Score: 2

      Every notice how these generational archetype descriptions sound sort of like astrological archetype descriptions?

    3. Re:Strauss-Howe generational theory by tsotha · · Score: 1

      And are just as reliable.

  12. kids love authority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These are the kids raised with "zero tolerance," were not allowed to walk to school or play outside alone, and received a trophy just for showing up. They think nothing of having their every move tracked by Facebook. They love authority!

    1. Re:kids love authority by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      They also do not understand responsibility.

    2. Re:kids love authority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, a lot of them hate that their every move is tracked.

      I've spoken with my younger brother about it who is about to graduate highschool.

      He is resigned to the idea in that he will use the tech anyway and let the data be collected, but at the same time revels in creating digital garbage, cheers on dissidents like 'anonymous' and wikileaks, and holds a general disdain for central authority.

      The downside of turning our country into a big low security prison is that people who might have otherwise been cooperative, willful participants start to see themselves as prisoners, and naturally the warden becomes the enemy.

  13. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF is a social enterprise?

    I guess that's where everyone "inovates" by surfing Facebook all day long on their BYOD iPhone.

    Whatevs.

  14. Executives innovate? by unimacs · · Score: 1

    Other than a startup, I think it's rare for any innovation to come from the executives.

    1. Re:Executives innovate? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Except for the top 0.1% of humans and those with nothing to lose, nobody innovates. Our entire race is built on greed and safety - and innovation is a danger to the establishment. The truly gifted do innovate, the rest plod along with marginally incremental improvements. Outside of the geniuses, there are those who either have everything or nothing - two conditions which offer the opportunity for idle time.

      Successful startups have the 0.1%. Many fail, many aren't really innovative, the rest are lauded as "the new thing."

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  15. *pfft* guffah! by jeff13 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    rotfl! I mean really? Really? Sure, smaller companies thrive on this sort of socialized creative commons. It's how ANY creative enterprise is actually innovative. Steve Jobs and Woz didn't do it all themselves, the collective hobby culture they were plugged into stimulated everything that they created. But, once anyone creates something that sells, the corporate 'buy out' crowd shows up (I'm looking at you Bill Gates!) and the CEOs take control. Of course everyone here is aware just how corporations swallow everything, so they can own it. That's their reason for existing.

    The driving force of our consumer culture isn't innovation, it's markets. Corporations sometimes, in desperation, might spend some cash to fund innovative creation but why the fuck would creators just work-for-hire and give up their creations to their bosses? In the market place many are well aware that the creative, innovative business model functions for only as long till a corporation comes and buys it. That's the model! That's how most start-ups see their end game.

    Besides, corporations often just wait for the government funded research to innovate so they can get that for a song, if not free, and then create that market. That's how computers and the Internet came to us in the first place.

    imho, of course.

    1. Re:*pfft* guffah! by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      But, once anyone creates something that sells, the corporate 'buy out' crowd shows up (I'm looking at you Bill Gates!) and the CEOs take control.

      Huh?
      Corporate structure is almost inevitably what happens when a company grows.
      The informal structure of small companies rarely scales up along with sales.

      As a matter of fact, growing companies can die ugly deaths because they grow too fast.
      They literally implode under the weight of managing shipping, distributors, inventory, suppliers, and filling orders.

      I might scoff at the shoe company Crocs, but they successfully went from selling 1,000 shoes to selling $1 billion worth of shoes.
      You can't do that without a corporate structure.

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    2. Re:*pfft* guffah! by robot5x · · Score: 1

      The driving force of our consumer culture isn't innovation, it's markets.

      err no, the driving force of our consumer culture is me and you spending our money on all this shit. No one is forcing us to do it.

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    3. Re:*pfft* guffah! by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Um, jobs was much more corp then gates ever was.

    4. Re:*pfft* guffah! by XcepticZP · · Score: 1

      Do you really think that we are isolated islands that decide on our own to spend money on stuff?

      We are tightly interwoven with the society that we both make and get influenced by at the same time. To respond to your singular comment about no one forcing us, I'll say that we are forced by the society we grew up in, which molded us and which we then proceed to adapt and propagate.

  16. They'll be authority-phobic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...right up until they actually start getting some authority.

    Then, lo and behold, a miracle occurs! They suddenly realized that authority is just fine and dandy, as long as they're the ones wielding it! Then it will be "Respect my au-thor-i-tay!"

    See also: Ambrose Bierce's The Devil's Dictionary. "A High Moral Principle met a Vested Interest crossing a bridge..."

  17. diversity your experimental capital! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TL;DR summary: Leadership revolution incentivized to diversity their experimental capital: values of the social enterprise, not consumerization of IT! Frog blast the vent core!

  18. Should? by stove · · Score: 1

    Should it? Possibly.

    Will it? No. It's amazing how well people play along if the alternative is no paycheck at all.

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  19. in defense of management by anthony_greer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We all have had bad experience with managers but in my experience, good managers are needed. for every one terrific idea there are 5-10 terrible ideas...You cant just have new grads tossing money around without thinking thru how it will work, how much it will cost and how much money it will make and/or time it will save...

    If you can prove that your idea is a good one, any competent managment team will go for it, but too many young people just want to put things in because they are new and shiny, that doesn't work so well in business...

    I recall a few of my stupid ideas as a 22 year old, I had many outlandishly stupid ideas but I had a great manager who listened to all my goofy ideas and told me why they would not work, then one day I hit pay dirt and came up with an idea that would be able to automate so much of the IT operation that we would not need to hire some temps or interns for mundane tasks. That resulted in a nice bonus but more importantly a great lesson in how to think like a business when considering IT gear/platforms/initiatives.

    Good managers are not disposable

    1. Re:in defense of management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      An example of this would be JP Morgan converting General Electric to AC and reducing Edison's role even though Edison was staunchly DC and the company was originally named after him.
      http://www.dailycensored.com/jp-morgan-and-electric-power-100-years-of-misconduct/

      Looking back, DC would never have been able to support the range of power stations and grid that AC supports. Edison, even though a genius, wasn't right on that one.

    2. Re:in defense of management by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      You got a piddling bonus for reducing costs worth several salaries per year. You stupid sheep.

    3. Re:in defense of management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but he also got mentoring on exactly why his bad ideas were bad without having to pay of cost of actually developing them and finding out first-hand.

    4. Re:in defense of management by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      You got a piddling bonus for reducing costs worth several salaries per year

      That's more or less what all programmers do......even Stallman.

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    5. Re:in defense of management by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Old ones maybe. IE, sheep.

    6. Re:in defense of management by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Just sell your bad ideas to idiot vc's.

    7. Re:in defense of management by fermion · · Score: 1
      This is all over the 70's, empowered spoiled children, going to work, expecting to get paid for doing nothing, expecting their lame ideas to be gushed over as they were the 'self-esteem' generation. Unfortunately so many of the ideas were simply a way to make one persons life easier, or increase personal power, and did not really take into account the firms overall best interest.

      There is this myth that management hate ideas from workers. This is not my experience. I have had many ideas used. I have had some ideas tried and then thrown away. The reality is to have your ideas used you first have them, then you have to be able to show they will be effective, and then you have to be willing to have ideas shot down and try again. For most people they either are not thinking about the problems in terms of the firm, or they get one idea, have it shot down, and give up.

      Furthermore I have seen people who have good ideas be promoted and allowed to take on more responsibility. It is how corporate, as lame as it, works. Now obviously you have to work within the corporate culture, and if you can't you won't work at that corporation unless you are very smart and they tolerate you. But you likely won't be moved into management.

      Here is why this might be important. The mid late 80's were a pretty bad time, unemployment above 7%, but most of us were able to get job by hustling the newly lucrative computer skills(only high school diploma at that time) into job. Now the employment rate is a little higher, but we are also in a time when firms do not really understand how to apply today's technology, just like back them, and a lot of it has become simple enough that a 20 year old can do some pretty effective stuff. I wonder if people can't get job because they believe articles like this that they do not have to go and sell their ideas, but rather wait for corporate to come to them, prostrated, and beg for the youth wisdom.

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    8. Re:in defense of management by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You have an authority problem, kid?

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    9. Re:in defense of management by dbIII · · Score: 1

      That's what many engineers do for a living bonus or not. What do you expect us to do, set up our own power stations personally instead of saving on running costs with existing ones?

    10. Re:in defense of management by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Most of these ideas won't sell anyway. Sure you can automate a process in your own company but it's impossible to sell that automation to others. As soon as you say "we can automate your XYZ process" the other company will just think it's a good idea and make one of their own employees do the same thing. Not every idea is intended to be a marketable product, except that the current culture is so infatuated with the idea of the entrepreneur.

      There's no alternative here. You either do you damn job that you were hired to do (ie, make or save the company money) or you throw a tantrum that you deserve more money and get fired instead. What company is going to be so stupid as to waste the money they save by giving it to the guy who thought of the idea of how to save the money? Instead they give a bonus to the person who did the job and move on from there.

    11. Re:in defense of management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you pulled the ladder up after yourself, eliminating a way for younger workers to get experience.

    12. Re:in defense of management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I apologize for that comment. I shouldn't be taking my job hunt frustrations out on someone else. Especially not someone passing down thoughtful advice.

    13. Re:in defense of management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla

    14. Re:in defense of management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all have had bad experience with managers but in my experience, good managers are needed. for every one terrific idea there are 5-10 terrible ideas...You cant just have new grads tossing money around without thinking thru how it will work,

      But they can toss money around if they think it through. If everybody do some R&D, the R&D budget per person is small anyway. So the risk is comparatively low too. If a few percent of the employees comes up with something useful, it might be worth it.

    15. Re:in defense of management by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      Here is why this might be important. The mid late 80's were a pretty bad time, unemployment above 7%, but most of us were able to get job by hustling the newly lucrative computer skills(only high school diploma at that time) into job. Now the employment rate is a little higher, but we are also in a time when firms do not really understand how to apply today's technology, just like back them, and a lot of it has become simple enough that a 20 year old can do some pretty effective stuff. I wonder if people can't get job because they believe articles like this that they do not have to go and sell their ideas, but rather wait for corporate to come to them, prostrated, and beg for the youth wisdom.

      I take the view, which might be unpopular on a techie blog like this, that computers are the major cause of the unemployment we are seeing in today's economy, and the unemployability of many more millions of people around the world. My solution is not Luddism, although the net effect might become just that. I would not argue with the power and ease of use possible with technology, only that more and more people are being put at an economic disadvantage by it. How can the productivity of the U.S. economy be going up at unheard of rates while the segment of the permanently unemployalbe going up? Remember that the unemployment rate only counts people who appear to be looking for a job, not those who have given up. The level of discontent and crime in our society might be due not only to the concentration of wealth, which BTW high-tech employment accounts for a good percentage along with energy-related work, but also to the fact that the technology has not empowered as many people as it was promised to do.

      This could have huge consequences for the future. The Great Unwashed coud become the digitally illliterate and the revolution could sweep tech aside.

    16. Re:in defense of management by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      You touch an interesting point: an engineer that works well will automate work and destroy positions. A manager that works well will reduce costs by shrinking salaries, by outsourcing oversea, by finding tax loopholes to pay less and so on.

      While they do good work, we have a bad feeling because this good work shift wealth from workers to shareholders, increasing inequities, and pushing developed societies toward a situation where they cannot sustain themselves anymore: too many poor people, no tax money to maintain social welfare, education, or country infrastructures.

      That situation is obviously bad for people, but it is also bad for businesses. People are too poor to buy products anymore which means businesses cash flow goes down. People are not properly trained anymore and make bad workers. Country infrastructure gets wrecked and it is bad again for anyone that rely on it

      This means there is some conflict here: maximizing profit is good for each individual business, but it is globally bad for everyone, including themselves.

      The only way out of this that was tried with some success is to use the law to maintain a good balance. For now the idea was to protect workers: make sure they have a decent wage, and reasonable working hours. Now that we move to a world where there will be less and less workers, we will need to think about universal income, whether someone works or not.

  20. Two track career paths by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

    Some companies have two track career paths. One, you move up as a techie into the management path, right up to executive. Two, you move up a techie path, where you go to Senior Engineer, right up to Distinguished Engineer, a position that has the same rank as an executive. Those Distinguished Engineers are the ones who advise the senior executives on innovation.

    Does really it work? I have no idea. Feel free to post your experience.

    Distinguished Engineer? I'd label myself as an Extinguished Can-of-Beer.

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    1. Re:Two track career paths by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Some of those titles though were pretty unglamorous despite being extremely high up the promotion ladder. Ie, the "Distinguished Member of the Technical Staff" which was the title used in by Ma Bell.

  21. sounds like by v1 · · Score: 1

    the owners, boards, and upper management are mostly a bunch of old, stuffy, cigar-chomping, technology and change-fearing, pointy-haired bosses, just itching to "pull a blackberry" with their company.

    Does this surprise anyone? Good luck clearing them out. They're kings in their kingdom.

    The most common way to "reorganize" them we see today is when upper management drives the company into the ground like a telephone pole. Problem tends to be though that these companies have a large stash of money in the bank, and are able to flop after flop after flop before they finally run the coffers dry. They've gotten very good over the years at "controlling their shareholders", ie shoveling the BS with a silver tongue and sincere promises, that the shareholders don't revolt until they're already seeing the headlight in the tunnen. But by then, the company has lost so much momentum and market share that they're often in an unrecoverable nose-dive.

    Sorta sad to watch, but I think "change is good". When the system has become unfixable, the best thing to happen is for it to break completely and be re-invented from the ground up, based on modern considerations. (nuke 'n pave) "corporate revolutions" I suppose you could call it. Old companies that won't adapt fade away, while new companies come up and take their place. Reminds me of a forrest. Quit trying to save the old trees, let them die and make room for the new saplings to take their place down the road.

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    1. Re:sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you have a terrific opportunity to start your own company, with all you competition so badly broken!

    2. Re:sounds like by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      I've worked in companies of all sizes in my 35 years in the workforce. I've seen 'old, stuffy, cigar-chomping, technology and change-fearing, pointy-haired bosses' in both small and large companies, worked for some medium-sized companies I loved, worked for some small companies where the innovator had no sense of IT at all even though he needed IT do run his ideas. Great idea saying that the 'little guy' like me should have more input, but when he pays my paycheck, he makes the rules.

      I've worked for CEOs and CTOs that I thought the world of and while not innovative themselves, recognized talent and allowed the talent to do their job within boundaries. Because they knew what their job was .. to manage the company, not operate it.

      I've worked with some truly egotistical moronic peers who had no concept of how bad their ideas were and were always upset they got shot down, by both management and their fellow workers. Who would want any of these people to have a say in anything??

      If you don't like your company, and you are skilled enough ... leave for one you do like. If you are stuck with bosses you don't like in a company that is going downhill, then it's only because you aren't good enough. Get over yourself, knuckle down, and do your job. Make sure it's not your fault the company fails.

      And please .. stop whining about how you could do a better job. You can't .. if you could, someone would hire you to do it.

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    3. Re:sounds like by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      What's a telephone pole? ;)

  22. Executives don't innovate, they control the money by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    At my large fortune 100 company, the exec's don't innovate, they don't come up with ideas for the "next big thing", they rely on the propeller heads to come up with new products and solutions.

    Now, how we get that product can often land in the lap of the Execs. You can build it internally, you can partner with someone that already has it, or you can buy a company that has the product, services or intellectual property you want.

    Technically sharp people often don't want to be challenged in an area where they often have very little experience, namely finance and business justification.

    So you've got an idea for a widget. It's gonna be the next big thing. Someone that owns a $10m budget required to build this widget is going to ask the uber dork, "Show me how much we'll get back from this?" What's our addressable market? Penetration rate? Break even point?

    Why do they ask these questions?

    Because if they blow this $10m on something, and it doesn't work out, they've got to answer to the next person up the proverbial ladder.

    Even at slashdot's favorite company, Google, has a "20% free time" and not "$20m invest in whatever you want" policy.

    Smart executives surround themselves with smarter people that will advise them on what to do. You think the CEO of GE, IBM, Cisco, Caterpillar knows all the details of what their company is investing in? Nope. But (s)he knows that there is responsibility and more importantly accountability for investment decisions.

  23. No top-down responsibility for innovation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve Jobs laughs at them from the grave.

  24. Really? That is a great idea! by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2

    Put a bunch of whiney, selfish, over-indulged, arrogant, ethically-challenged, over-grown children who never got over believing they are special and everyone is exactly equal because everyone gets a trophy and have a group history of disrespecting other people's work and money, "should be given the power to spend corporate money on research and development" which means no pre-spending oversight.

    What could possibly go wrong?

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  25. But of course it should by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There isn't a single corporate executive that hasn't had their 9th lobotomy as well as 2nd vasectomy to become brainless and ball-less so that they can do nothing without approval from the board that only cares about mining every last cent from the company stock before they drive the company to the bottom of the cesspool.

    There should be the corporate carousel that once they reach a certain level, their gem turns red, and they have to either die or run. I'd love to be one of the sandmen to go after them. Would be a blast.

  26. Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

    These fresh out of college babies are definately unreasonable. Sure they can bring about change. Some good. Some bad. Someone needs to listen to their ideas and decide which are good and which are bad.

    I am somewhere in the middle myself. I struggle to get both ends to understand what I have learned from my own experience. The management with their "outdate experience" and the young "know it all" newbies.

  27. Texas Instruments did this for years by john.r.strohm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked for Texas Instruments Defense Systems and Electronics Group from early 1988 through about mid-1999.

    TI DSEG had LOTS of R&D money available, and MANY different internal programs for handing it out. The most important one was called IDEA (I don't know if it was an acronym or not, or what it may have stood for). IDEA was designed to hand out small chunks of first-round funding, enough to keep one engineer with a crazy idea that just might work fed and working for a couple of months, while he threw together a detailed study proposal, saying how to do a pilot project to see if there might be something to the idea. IDEA money was EASY to get, and there were multiple paths to it. If you for whatever reason didn't want to go through your management, that was no problem at all: *ANY* IDEA coordinator ANYWHERE IN THE COMPANY could listen to an IDEA pitch from ANYONE, and, if it sounded AT ALL plausible, throw some funding at him.

    The whole idea behind IDEA was that most IDEA projects were EXPECTED to fail, but they'd generally fail quickly and cheaply. The ones that didn't fail got more funding, and more detailed investigation. Wash, rinse, and repeat, and every so often something REALLY good would pop up, that would make TI a huge chunk of money, enough to justify all those little failed efforts, and some not-so-little failures as well.

  28. corporate organization is feudal by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

    We all know how messed up much corporate planning, decision making, and management is. They have the stupidest mental shortcuts for evaluating people and projects, and the queerest ideas about what attributes a model employee possesses. How they think and even wish people should behave is wildly unrealistic. So many employees are just playing the game, trying to appear to have the "proper" attitudes, while keeping their real opinions and thoughts to themselves. Management picks loudmouths and hardasses for management positions, mistaking noise and bullying for drive and vision. Instead of thoughtfully evaluating plans on the merits, choosing among them and measuring progress as best they can so they have some idea whether it's feasible and how long it will take, they set impossible deadlines, frantically ply the whips, and when that doesn't work blame the slave labor for letting the company down. They also can't resist working on hidden agendas driven by shockingly unprofessional and even childish motives. An upper manager might well lay off an entire department on trumped up questions about their value to the company, all because an attractive member of it refused a sexual advance. Wag the Dog would have been more likely if it had been about a corporate leader rather than a national leader.

    You'd think such messed up organizations would collapse under their own incompetence every time. They do fail rather often, but surprisingly less often than one might think. I can only think a bad business survives in spite of their incompetence, because their competitors are just as incompetent. Or they don't have competitors.

    Seems to me the problem is the the downright feudal nature of these organizations. Inheritance has been thoroughly discredited as a way to pick national leaders. But we still pick many corporate leaders that way, and accept it. It's as if ownership is held in the high regard that the monarchy and nobility once enjoyed. The rich are the new nobility. When the person at the top is unimaginitive and plodding, yet egotistical, arrogant and contemptuous towards the "lower classes", and also jealous and resentful of respect towards scientists, engineers, and other meritorious people, the company is not going to be well run. Ford Motor Company has had this problem. Used to refer to Henry Ford as "King Henry". What restrains them from acting too tyrannical and arbitrary is that employees are free to leave. Unless the economy stinks, or they manage to set up a company town, and collude with their competitors not to hire each other's former employees. Maybe do a bit of union busting as well. Top management strives entirely too much to achieve such dubious control. Sickening to see company resources expended for such purposes, but there it is.

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    1. Re:corporate organization is feudal by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You've nailed why a lot of the rest of the world shakes their head and mumbles "American management" - the rebuilding of the feudal system where some idiot son called Edsel gets to run a company just because he has the right parent or the right friends. It tends to happen in places that are "too big to fail" so it's seen by smaller fish as being a success.

  29. C-Level Innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fired a client a few years ago. Their major innovation from the C level was making it possible for the software they write for airlines to charge fees for more/everything.

  30. Responsibility? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    what are CEOs actually 'responsible' for? Responsible implies consequences. Last I heard the penalty for wreaking a company's net worth was a multimillion dollar bonus.

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  31. Manager biodiesel by MajVariola · · Score: 1

    You can often turn a manager into 10-20 L of biodiesel without anyone noticing..

    1. Re:Manager biodiesel by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      And it's worth about a bajillion carbon credits!

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  32. Authority-Phobic? Really? by Maltheus · · Score: 2

    I've found it shocking how well younger folk fit into corporate life and have always felt like this is the least rebellious generation ever.

    Typically, whenever management makes some absurd proposal (like some kind of odd way to track metrics), people sigh, roll their eyes, and figure out some way to comply with the letter of the mandate, while saving as much time as possible to focus on actually getting the product out the door.

    My younger co-workers not only show no signs of resistance (even behind closed doors), they embrace the absurdity and offer up more of it. They end up complicating the process, even more than the middle manager wanted (since they were also just going for the checkmark). Hell, I've never even seen anyone under the age of 30 (these days) drink a beer at a social outing (even when their managers and everyone else is). Youngin's seem so domesticated these days.

    Judging by all these articles, I guess my experience isn't quite the norm.

    1. Re:Authority-Phobic? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Social values change every generation!

    2. Re:Authority-Phobic? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they have a new family, mortgage, and student loan debt that can't be discharged.

    3. Re:Authority-Phobic? Really? by mevets · · Score: 2

      What if these yoof do not give a rats ass? Rebellious passion is for defending something you value. If your only interest in an organization is a cheque, why get ruffled about idiotic bureaucrats? Disconnected is not the same thing as domesticated. They are the product of corporate culture; undifferentiated tissue for 7.5 hours, 5 days a week.

      There is a subversive sensibility in embracing the idiocy of untrustworthy management. At least it makes for a great laugh over beers with people you do not work with.

    4. Re:Authority-Phobic? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This. Who cares how much stupid chehlines and bureucracy you have to bear, it's your jub. Golden rule and all. Yes, you can clearly see how stupid some things, are, but really, you are not going to get rewared for doing something about it. Just blame the things when someone from even upper management asks why nothing gets done. Untill then just do whatever you are told to and collect the check. Can't have responsibilities without power. If management hoards all the power they also get all the blame and responsibilities. Yes, they may be able to mask it for a while, but not for long, as everyone under them knows how it goes.

    5. Re:Authority-Phobic? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These days if a young person is employable they are by definition abnormal. In many areas the bulk of the herd simply are not suitable for anything but trivial employment and often not even that.
                            It gets worse as academic records are like quicksand and even if a youngster looks like he is educated the truth is that a loopy educational system often gives high grades to kids who sign their names and don't fall out of their desks. In other words if the average student in a class never hands in homework and scores an F on all tests and is in general a complete idiot then they are a C or average student. Teachers have to beg the little critters not to drop out of school as teachers are under threat these days if kids drop out. The better the course the more likely kids are to fail and drop out. So class time is turned into feel good time. Finding education in a class room is like trying to find God in a church.

    6. Re:Authority-Phobic? Really? by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Maybe the are all high.

    7. Re:Authority-Phobic? Really? by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      Man, you sound like a Grunt whose every once of passion has been beaten out of you. I suppose that the world has a place for people like you, and that is not necessarily Hell. In fact if you are financially inclined and a Good Boy, you might actually come out all right, at least in terms of assets.

      But, in fact there are bad managements and bad decisions and people get hurt by them, such as the whole U.S. economy is now still hurting, in fact it may be that U.S. economic power is terminal, and because of the very things that supposedly made it such a success. One would thinnk that successful people start out as people with good ideas, get schooled in the best techniques to manage a business, and have a career that accrues wisdom, but judging form the comments in this thread, most people who care think that management denied them opportunity and exploited them in that the time wasted was not compensated by wages and other benefits of the association.

      I have made plenty of mistakes in my career; even without being explicitly judged for them, but I know of instances I saw first hand of decisions made inside well-known organizations I was part of that were bad for me and the organization.

      The greatest error is to stick with a plan after it has been invalidated. It takes special courage to pull the plug when something has really failed. The greatest maladaptive aspectof social animals is to stick with the meme after it has become invalid. These two tendencies do most of the damage in economic and management terms. In nearly every area of life sticking with the business model after it has been shown to be wrong leads to evil of one sort of other.

      The other greatest mistake that I've seen, and it may be a variant of the first, is to use the excuse of customers, or the Board of Directors, or Investors, the Market, as a basis for decisions in place of having a clear vision of what you are doing. This is the feeling that you get jerked around every other week and that management does't understand the effort you put into developing your skills and they don't care. They lie and say that they value you and want you to keep your skills current, but since their foresight is reduced to the quarterly bottom line, they don't really care, and it is a situation that unless you take the time or have a good idea of what you need to stay competitive, you either have to steal time and resources to do that, or defer that until you have the time, like after you have terminated. Hindsight says that the winners in this looked busy, even as they were working on tasks not assigned them, or they managed to get assignments that were easy enough so they could spend most of their time on self-directed goals. This is how I live now, but I am retired and living hand to mouth.

  33. The Golden Rule applies by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2

    i.e. The guy with the gold makes the rules.

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  34. Yes by kuhnto · · Score: 1

    Yes please

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  35. Responsibility can go anywhere. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    But power and pay check they go to the top honchos no matter what. The raison d`etendre of a modern corporation is to squeeze as much profit as possible, dodge as much tax as possible and send it all as pay, bonus and stock options for the top executives.

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  36. Kaizen vs Big Bang by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    Slow and steady innovation and improvement pretty well must come from the bottom up. The whole boots on the ground thing. Companies that are dictatorial about this are just leaving a huge amount of wasted potential untapped while annoying just about everybody. But often a company needs to make a big change. This sort of change is scary and can be painful. This is where a leader with "vision" is required. The later is where Steve Jobs and Apple seemed to have excelled. He had the vision and made it happen all the while having a zillion employees minding the details. Without Steve Jobs Apple products will probably continue to improve but will slowly miss the next wave of innovation.

    I am fairly sure that the electric car is the next big thing in cars. For me a car with around 100 miles range would be great. There are few things in my life beyond that range. The Tesla with its 200 mile range is awesome and we can all assume that between batteries and other improvements the range will only get better. Yet the big automakers can't seem to understand that they need to make the leap. Things like the leaf are sub 100 miles and the Volt still had a piston engine in it. So this is a case where Tesla is now in the cycle of steady improvements of the next generation while most of the other car companies keep improving the past generation of fuel driven cars.

  37. Bootstrap by Phoenix666 · · Score: 1

    The corporate culture does need to be shaken up, as does the federal government, as do the big banks. They feel their control eroding by the day, which is why they're squeezing as hard as they can now. So good luck getting them to hand out startup capital to millenials. And the people making the decision where to allocate capital are MBAs who by definition defend the status quo; they want to stifle innovation if they can, or control it if they can't. The result is we all get a world that continues to Suck while our very serious problems mount quickly.

    We are on the cusp of a global revolution (if you like that word) or a paradigm shift (if you don't) that requires we bypass the gatekeepers of capital. That's part of what the crowdfunding movement is about. But what we really need to do is relearn or invent anew a more fundamental skill: how to make something from nothing, using nothing but our wits, our will, our heart, and the strength of our own two hands.

    It's very hard. But unless you can walk through that test of fire, acid, and darkness you are nothing more than another wannabe driven by callow greed.

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  38. People are hardcoded to associate title with value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone that worked for an organization (small repair shop) that shifted from flat to tiered, the only real change is that suddenly people start demanding wages that reflect their new status and start lashing out when they are denied, even if their actual workload remains the same as it always was.

    The organization I worked for eventually went out of business because the "new to management" employees negotiated a buyout of the building's lease behind the company owner's back. He got a call one day telling him to get out by the end of the week. Soon as the last box was loaded onto the moving truck destined for storage in his garage, all of his employees told him they quit. Next day they reopened the shop under their own name and flew a pirate flag for a week. The pirate flag was insult to injury, symbolizing the fact that they had taken everything from the client database to the building itself. Left with no building, no employees, no customers, and a home loan in default, the former owner drank himself to death.

  39. Tesla's future depends on gas prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tesla has the luxury electric car good so far. As for the low cost manufacturing part, the big car companies are great at that. I guess Tesla's fate depends on the price of gas. The sooner gas prices jump, the sooner more price sensitive people go after low end electric cars like the Nissan Leaf, the faster the big car companies go through the learning curve in electric cars. The customers of the Model S can afford high gas prices. The Nissan Leaf customers, not so much.

  40. Hahahahahaha by sackofdonuts · · Score: 1

    Man that was a funny write up. Giving the keys to the kingdom to young upstarts and relatively new employee is hilarious. Every work with these kids? They can't balance their own checkbooks without their mothers' helping. And they expect these same kids to spend millions of dollars on their pet projects. Sure, let it happen. We could always use all kinds of mods to World of Warcraft. The facebook and twitter models are not the norm in the world of business.

  41. Marshall and Goddard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you kidding? Hotbeds of innovation, with process out the yinyang (have you done the RIDs on your NPR7123 compliant review documents following your NPR 7120.5 rev E project plan, following NPR 7150.2 software development practices?)

    Marshall, founded for all intents and purposes by Nazi refugees from Peenemunde? Goddard, where everything is contracted to beltway bandits, and design reviews are more about authenticating the existence of design documents, rather the contents of the documents.

    You bet there's a battle between the values of the social enterprise and the values of the consumerization of IT and the values of tradition.

  42. dual track ladder was discredited in the 60s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except that individual contributors, no matter what level, do not control the financial resources or subject the company to as much risk as people on the management side of the ladder. management gets paid more, a lot more. And there are more positions on the management side. You get promoted to special distinguished principal member of the technical staff when you need to find more room on your office shelves for your second Nobel Prize.

    Look for a report from the Sloan School on "dual ladder" googling "sloan school dual ladder" will get numerous hits..

    The title is "The Dual Ladder: Motivational Solution or Managerial Delusion"

    It's from the 80s, but the research dates back to the 60s.

  43. Consider Apple... by jklappenbach · · Score: 1

    Apple with Steve Jobs vs Apple without Steve Jobs

    Steve Jobs was one of the most hands on CEO's I've ever heard about. He was in the trenches, interfacing directly with developers and anyone else along the production chain that proved to be a critical path to deployment. He came up with seemingly impossible ideas that no one else would have the guts to suggest. And then he rode point on the entire organization to ensure that it happened. That's what a good CEO can do, and what will almost never happen by democracy.

    That is not to say that the paychecks of most of the CEOs out there are warranted. Quite the opposite. There's no reason why a CEO, on average, should be making more than 5 times the salary of the average employee. But to discount the role that can be played by someone with the talent, drive, and innovation of someone like Steve Jobs is to misunderstand the dynamics of a corporation.

  44. a real shift or just seeing the obvious by kermidge · · Score: 1

    From the title of the conference and almost every sentence of the summary afterwards the verbification of nouns alone ensured I wouldn't read the article. The stopping point for me was "....will diversity their experimental capital."

    Yes, I figured it was a typo, but enough, already.

    If there is indeed a shift in responsibility for the ideas and questions which prompt research away from the executive floor (where I doubt many of those occur anyway) then it would to me also suggest paying the highers less. (It would also bolster my long-standing argument for employee ownership; the social mechanisms in that approach would tend to favor the organization's acknowledgement of leaders rather than acquiescence to the psychopathy of the power-hungry.)

  45. 'Corporate Innovation' is an oxymoron. by boorack · · Score: 1

    Unless you count all corporate douchebaggery and scams - especially those in financial services. There are very few examples of innovative corporations. Innovation tends to come from smaller players that are then bought by big corporation that then boast about those innovations (thay actually didn't create). Most of big corps prefer sitting on a bag of profit-generating assets, praying that no innovation wipes out their valuable assets and actively fighting any initiatives to outinnovate them and their 'precious', outdated assets.

    1. Re:'Corporate Innovation' is an oxymoron. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Yeah I guess Apple and Google aren't big corporations...hippie.

  46. authority-phobic? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    I don't think that non-word means what you think it means.

  47. Fire them by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

    It's quite common for management to get fired over bad investments and wasting company time. Same should hold true then for the small fish.

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  48. Re:Executives don't innovate, they control the mon by sjames · · Score: 1

    Why do they ask these questions?

    The question is "why do they ask techies these questions"? The techies don't ask the CFO to design the UPS for the new datacenter!

  49. Coincidence? Perhaps not. by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    Is it coincidence that this story is on slashdot only a few inches below a story about how 'agile' development is chaotic, undirected, and often results in version-chaos?

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  50. It would be an improvement ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    I've worked in companies which have grown by acquisition before, and sometimes you end up with the head of R&D being the person who was head of R&D at the last major acquisition.

    Those people frequently end up with a huge case of NIH, and any technologies they didn't oversee the creation of must be a waste of time.

    So all of a sudden, your focus is on a specific type of widget instead of the general problem, and they start redirecting everyone to that.

    And, for those of us who have had to listen to company roadmaps and the laughable vision for the future -- the executives who are setting strategy are often so far out of touch with reality or choose things which nobody is going to want in a few years that you wonder if they really have any clue.

    Innovation by decree from corporate executives, in my experience, is usually a joke. I once sat in a presentation where the CEO was saying how in 3 years we'd all be working on something which they never got around to, and which never actually turned into the market force they'd hoped. But for about 6 months, that's all you heard about at company presentations, meanwhile the developers were rolling their eyes and laughing.

    It's like a Dilbert cartoon some days. Whatever the current magic quadrant, or is the buzzword of the day is is a lousy way to drive your innovation. They might have been technical at one point, but now they're just upper management with delusions of still having their pulse on the industry.

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  51. Re:People are hardcoded to associate title with va by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is awesome, man! Publish a how-to. :)

  52. LMOL by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    Yeah that will work out well for you....it's not like anything bad can happen there....*eye roll*

  53. Absolutely by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    Executives are idiots, when it comes to innovation. They only need to be smart enough to hire people smarter than them and pay the bills. Leave the innovation to the people that know what's going on, and put them in an environment where they can do just that.

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